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7th October 2002, 15:39
Hi,
Can some lucky owner of JVC XVS500BK, XVS502SL or XVS300BK share his success or failure story with SVCD/CVD subtitles, PLEASE? I spent the whole weekend trying to make this machine display something, and didn't achieve much.
I know for sure that it should be capable of displaying some sort of subtitles, simply because it's said so in the manual. JVC calls them "SVCD subtitles", but I think they're rather CVD (more about this below).
I started from encoding a movie in DVD2SVCD with subtitle type set to SVCD. All stages completed successfully, I burned the CDs, got the picture and sound, but, alas, no subtitles. Changing streams got me nothing, so I figured that I should have tried CVD.
Instead of reencoding the movie, I downloaded the samples from vcdhelp.com. Like the movie, the sample with SVCD subtitles got me nothing. CVD sample was more interesting. I got the icon in the top left corner, which is normally displayed when subtitles are detected in the stream, but again there were no subtitles!
So, I double-checked that the top-left-corner icon really signified the presence of subtitles, read some postings in this forum, and saw several complains about position of subtitles in the vcdhelp.com samples. So, I demuxed the subtitles using vob2sub, and previewed them in WinSubMux. As many complained, the top coordinate of all subtitle pictures was 452: somewhat outside of the 480x480 SVCD frame area. I modified the .sub file manually by changing 452 to 252, got rid of all original subtitle streams in the MPEG file via TMGENc by re-muxing video and audio in another MPEG, added my new subtitles into all 4 streams in WinSubMux, and burned the result using VCDEasy.
Same stuff. Icon in the top-left corner, and no subtitles on screen.
Hmm, I thought, perhaps, DVD2SVCD in CVD mode will be able to do something for me. After all, it supports vcdxbuild, and people most likely have been testing stuff inside this combo.
So, I spent the next hour encoding one DVD chapter using various burners (VCDImager, vcdxbuild) and various PBC modes: selections, chapters, no PBC, CVD-style subtitles.
NOTHING! Not even an icon in the top-left corner!
My last hope was I-Author, because some people here said that though it's not up to the latest Philips specs, it's producing the "most standard" CVD subtitles.
Tried I-Author with DVD2SVCD. Got nothing.
Tried to run I-Author manually on the vcdhelp.com samples, and got nothing too. I had to convert the .sub file to .txt myself (took DVD2SVCD's output as an example). Muxing went through fine. .cif file creation was also OK. I verified in WinSubMux that the subtitles were indeed muxed into the .MPS as stream 0. I even tried both "SVCD" and "Super VCD" layouts... All gave me nothing. Not even an icon...
So, let me summarize what I know so far about this player:
1. It should support "SVCD subtitles" because the manual says so
2. It displays a "subtitles found" icon in the top-left corner when playing vcdhelp.com CVD samples: both original and with re-centered pictures, authored in VCDEasy
3. It doesn't display anything when subtitles are in SVCD format
4. It doesn't display anything (not even the "subtitles found" icon) when vcdhelp.com CVD samples have been authored in I-Author.
5. It doesn't display anything when CVD subtitles are created by DVD2SVCD (this is a separate issue: I'll address it as soon as I make this machine display SOMETHING).
So, if anybody had any experience with JVC DVD players, notably the models listed above, PLEASE, share it! The player is perfect in all respects other than displaying SVCD subtitles!
Thanks!
Can some lucky owner of JVC XVS500BK, XVS502SL or XVS300BK share his success or failure story with SVCD/CVD subtitles, PLEASE? I spent the whole weekend trying to make this machine display something, and didn't achieve much.
I know for sure that it should be capable of displaying some sort of subtitles, simply because it's said so in the manual. JVC calls them "SVCD subtitles", but I think they're rather CVD (more about this below).
I started from encoding a movie in DVD2SVCD with subtitle type set to SVCD. All stages completed successfully, I burned the CDs, got the picture and sound, but, alas, no subtitles. Changing streams got me nothing, so I figured that I should have tried CVD.
Instead of reencoding the movie, I downloaded the samples from vcdhelp.com. Like the movie, the sample with SVCD subtitles got me nothing. CVD sample was more interesting. I got the icon in the top left corner, which is normally displayed when subtitles are detected in the stream, but again there were no subtitles!
So, I double-checked that the top-left-corner icon really signified the presence of subtitles, read some postings in this forum, and saw several complains about position of subtitles in the vcdhelp.com samples. So, I demuxed the subtitles using vob2sub, and previewed them in WinSubMux. As many complained, the top coordinate of all subtitle pictures was 452: somewhat outside of the 480x480 SVCD frame area. I modified the .sub file manually by changing 452 to 252, got rid of all original subtitle streams in the MPEG file via TMGENc by re-muxing video and audio in another MPEG, added my new subtitles into all 4 streams in WinSubMux, and burned the result using VCDEasy.
Same stuff. Icon in the top-left corner, and no subtitles on screen.
Hmm, I thought, perhaps, DVD2SVCD in CVD mode will be able to do something for me. After all, it supports vcdxbuild, and people most likely have been testing stuff inside this combo.
So, I spent the next hour encoding one DVD chapter using various burners (VCDImager, vcdxbuild) and various PBC modes: selections, chapters, no PBC, CVD-style subtitles.
NOTHING! Not even an icon in the top-left corner!
My last hope was I-Author, because some people here said that though it's not up to the latest Philips specs, it's producing the "most standard" CVD subtitles.
Tried I-Author with DVD2SVCD. Got nothing.
Tried to run I-Author manually on the vcdhelp.com samples, and got nothing too. I had to convert the .sub file to .txt myself (took DVD2SVCD's output as an example). Muxing went through fine. .cif file creation was also OK. I verified in WinSubMux that the subtitles were indeed muxed into the .MPS as stream 0. I even tried both "SVCD" and "Super VCD" layouts... All gave me nothing. Not even an icon...
So, let me summarize what I know so far about this player:
1. It should support "SVCD subtitles" because the manual says so
2. It displays a "subtitles found" icon in the top-left corner when playing vcdhelp.com CVD samples: both original and with re-centered pictures, authored in VCDEasy
3. It doesn't display anything when subtitles are in SVCD format
4. It doesn't display anything (not even the "subtitles found" icon) when vcdhelp.com CVD samples have been authored in I-Author.
5. It doesn't display anything when CVD subtitles are created by DVD2SVCD (this is a separate issue: I'll address it as soon as I make this machine display SOMETHING).
So, if anybody had any experience with JVC DVD players, notably the models listed above, PLEASE, share it! The player is perfect in all respects other than displaying SVCD subtitles!
Thanks!