NEW: Pioneer DVD-R A05 available in October

[thxtof]

...Un an et demi après l’introduction de son premier graveur interne DVD/CD, Pioneer présente aujourd’hui le DVR-A05, représentant la cinquième génération de graveurs DVD du constructeur. Plus rapide et encore plus performant que ses aînés, le DVR-A05 marque un pas de plus dans l’avancée technologique et la démocratisation de la gravure sur DVD. Modèle de rupture avec ses prédécesseurs, il intègre un nouveau bloc optique, une nouvelle platine, une carte électronique totalement redéssinée.

Intégré dans un premiers temps par les partenaires OEM de Pioneer (Apple, NEC-CI (Packard Bell), Sony, La Cie, QPS…), le graveur DVR-105 (version intégration) sera distribué par les grossistes à la fin du mois d’octobre.
Le DVR-A05, version « retail pack », sera présent dans les grandes surfaces spécialisées au début du mois de novembre 2002 à un prix encore confidentiel...

For those of you who don't understand french :p everything has been redesigned in the burner: new optical bloc, new electronic card, etc... It has a buffer under run protection (using a new ZERO.LINKtm technology) to garanty 100% burning success, fastest access time, no more fan, even more silent with new Dynamic Resonance Absorption technology and of course it's gonna burn in x4 (x2 for RW) ... 15mns for a 4.7 Go !! :cool:

And guess what, 45% of the DVD burner sold are from Pioneer (3.5 Million of DVD burner will be produced this year by Pioneer)

http://www.planete-numerique.com/cgi-bin/newspro/fullnews.cgi?newsid1032375255,66924,

[atreides93]

very cool :)

[alexnoe]

I really hope that they've fixed the DMA issue! Most systems are not capable of 4x writing in PIO mode...btw on "dvdwriters" they gave a babelfish translation of that :( Please do not do that here...the babelfish output is harder to read than the original!

[Navellint]

The question IS 'what media are sold most commonly?' (dvd-r/+r)

If the question was 'what burner is sold most?' then I would really like to know exactly where that is (yes i'm going to read your link now)

You've guessed it right: i use +r/+rw and moreover, i think Pioneer has sucked since the introduction of their first dvd-rom drive (slot-in/firmware/compatibility/looks). No hard feelings though :-)

[padre]

i use +r/+rw and moreover, i think Pioneer has sucked since the introduction of their first dvd-rom drive (slot-in/firmware/compatibility/looks). No hard feelings though :-)

Oh, that's nice. It's like saying your wife is a cow, but nothing personal!

Let's talk about much of a wonderful record HP has had with their CD/DVD burners! My first three HP CD-R burners (years ago) all were so crappy that HP actually rebated my money - after 1 year of dealing with it.

You like your DVD+R/+RW drive? Great. Here's $.50 - go call someone who cares. For me, cheaper media and same compatibility - I'll take DVD-R/-RW anytime.

[alexnoe]

During the last months I've learnt something: Never trust any numbers given by any manufacturer (besides Plextor, they seem to be honest...). They are crap. You can always bend stats however you want.

One day Pioneer has more sales, the next day they count only devices sold in a certain amount of time and then Ricoh has more sales. Whatever they want.
The bad thing is that people believe this FUD or even draw any conclusions.

My goal is to make clear to people that dvd+rw does not keep what it promises on dvdplusrw.org, nothing more, nothing less.

I agree that some Pioneer DVD-ROMs are bad. The DVD writer is no good reader either. But I have a DVD-ROM and 2 cd writers additionally to that dvd writer, so I don't care whether it's a good reader or not...

[Navellint]

padre:
'you wife is a cow' ??? I didn't know there were people who wanted to marry their burner. I hope you're not one of those people who pour coffee in their drive to speed it up :-) And that your wife is slot-in (not tray). Sorry, padre, i couldn't resist the temptation to mention that one. No hard feelings, really. I read and appreciated a lot of your comments on this forum.

Back to this thread: What's HP got to do with anything? Do they burn +r/+rw? F.Y.I. I use Philips DVD+RW 228k. Anyway, you're right, i'm quite happy with my drive despite they shipped nero 5.5.8.1 with it which doesn't burn dvd+r -> nero 5.5.9.9 does, so NP after all.

I think Pioneer is wishful extrapolating their sales when they claim xx%.

alexnoe: what promise does it not keep exactly?

[alexnoe]

"Promise" was maybe the wrong word. I'll rephrase: It states things as "advantages over dvd-" which are no advantages.

- longer recording times due to VBR support: of course nonsense. DVD- allows VBR as well.
- "DVD+RW uses the same discs for data and video applications" => and dvd- doesn't :confused:
- "DVD+RW supports defect management and accurate addressing during recording" => and what is that good for? Defect management is only possible for packet writing, otherwise it would completely brake compatibility to dvd-video.
- "DVD+RW supports replacing parts of a disc's contents" => no problem with dvd- either. Both formats require a kind of packet writing for this.

I can't give in-fact-advantages of dvd-r(w) over dvd+r(w), because they aren't any, neither are there any in-fact-advantages of dvd+r(w) besides 2.4x rewriting.

The compatibility is somewhat difficult to assess, since you would have to do such tests with hundreds of players on your own. It is and will we a matter of faith.

I prefer dvd- because of media prices, and because *my* dvd-rom can't read dvd+rw.

[padre]

Navellint

Ah, that was my attempt at humor....failed miserably. Anyway, what I was pointing out with the HP reference was that many vendors put out crappy components in the begining, yet we still give them a chance, and eventually they get their act together. No one vendor has the claim as 'problem free'. If they did, the others wouldn't be in business.

I think after all of this 'war' settles down, there will be a couple of winning formats for each purpose. Who's going to win what? Too early to tell. It's getting interesting though.

And as far as the 'compatibility' tests go, every vendor/format says they are the leader in compatibility. I prefer the objective method. Find a format that meets my needs, and make sure my DVD players supports it, and use it. It's working for you and for me. I think the only thing left in the DVD+ areana is for the media prices to drop. Once that happens, it'll be an even playing field.

...by the way, I don't pour coffee in the burner to speed it up, but I do use the open hole as a mug holder!! :)

[Navellint]

alexnoe:
These promises r quite crappy indeed. But the compatibility is not very difficult 2 assess, if u have looked at this list 4 instance http://www.vcdhelp.com/dvdplayers.php (which u probably did) or do u mean the compatibility of my very burner combined with the exact brand and type of media i would use


padre:
'...media prices to drop' - yeah that's 1 of the major problems of Philips: that their prices r always 2 high 4 the market. Their products r very good, but the price is 2 high and the equipment looks very ugly -> they need Sony's marketing combined with their own drives/parts, so they should have a prosperous deal right now.

[alexnoe]

These lists are far too less detailed and cause untrue impressions. Why?

=> very easy:
Many manufacturers make dvd-r discs, and many of them make really bad dvd-r disc. It even worse for dvd-rw (even my Pioneer disc is crap; the only one i'm satisfied with is verbatim). But only a few make dvd+r(w), so there is much less dvd+r(w) crap media around. This has nothing to do with + vs -, it's just the "age" of the standards. In 1 or 2 years, there will also be dvd+r(w) crap media which the burners won't be able to read themselves.

The conclusion is that most players will only play some dvd-r (verbatim, tdk etc), even if that player is certified for dvd-r, because some media is too bad, while a dvd+r compatible player will certainly play most dvd+r brands, because there's less crap around.

All these lists neglect this particular fact.

It would be necessary to make such a list for each available brand of dvd±r(w) media, and not to summerize any. A list as the one in this forum.
I personally guess that dvd-r media compatibility varies from 10% to 90+%, depending on the manufacturer. The minimum for dvd+ is higher, the maximum certainly not.

[brashquido]

I found this (http://www.dv.com/features/features_item.jhtml?category=Archive&LookupId=/xml/feature/2002/labarge0702) DVD compatibility test quite good. A bit dated now though.

[alexnoe]

Yes! This test makes sense! The first one I ever saw...