european cheap PRINCO-R1-0 and TDK-R2-0

[klona]

I don't think it's a good idea to advert here for comercial sites, but it's so difficult to find good media from France that it could help others;
I still have 50 USD stolen from shop4tech (took the money begining July, never deliver anything) , sent back damaged NEO bulk to playstationmods waiting for refund now, riteks order were cancel from DVD-and-Media.com (did not charged me and advise me by mail if I want clonedisk instead, so professional people)

So, just to mention I just bought from cdr-by-mail.co.uk (http://www.cdr-by-mail.co.uk) this two type of DVD-R.

PRINCO-R1-0 is latest bulpak gen3 R2 @ about 0,75 euro VAT Included, and is playing fine in my sony DVP-S715, against previous bulpaq (White ones) TDK-R1-0 which gaves me pixelisation after 4Gb
Warning, these disks gives pixelisation in my PS2

TDK-R2-0 burned at X2 with gear pro DVD in my A03 firm 1.68 free, and play fine in sony standalone and PS2.
Price is about 1,30 euro, VAT included

On that site I also ordered 4 DuraDisc 4.7GB 1X-2X General Purpose and received 4 horrible CDREC-R1-0 which gives you error on every player, including PC player. but I think it's an error and duradisc is not CDREC-R1-0.

[erwan]

i'm from france too.
i did buy 25 primedisc dvd-r's from this company.
it was supposed to be RITEK, but i finally got VIVASTAR.

i was delivered within the week.

but this did not annoyed me since they burn/play flawlessly.

still, the web site you mention looks interesting!

erwan

[michaelvv]

Thanks for knowing that i'm not the only one in europe dealing
with cdr-by-mail.com...

I have bought some of the first bulkpaq they were not good , burn
without any problems , pioneer a04 , but give me a lot of
pixels error after 3-3.5 Gb....

I then bought some DataSafe , they works 100 % and i tested them
in my pioneer DVD-444 and a pioneer DV-454 without any problems.

I Then bought some White-Label DVD-R 'They are blue' i have burned
6 and the all works flawless. Tested on the same standalone players.

I Then bought some White-Label DVD-RW , they are not good....
They end up with Errors even before they start burning the film ,
And i can't get an AVDInfo on them....

Last I Tried some BulkPaq again nice price 0.48 £ in lots of 25..

Tried the first one , works find in my Pioneer DV-444 , will try
another one , i have only these two , if it works fine i'll order
25 more for trying and if they are good i'll order a 100.....

Good Service at cdr-by-mail.com , media here in DK are way out
to expensive $$$$$$$
:D :D :D

Best Regards...

Michael....

[klona]

Just be carefull the new violett bulpaq Gen3 (PRINCO-R1-0) do not work in PS2 (pixelisation after 3,5 Gb-4Gb).

So it will probably not work in some other players.

[rui.m.godinho]

I bought some packs (10 dvd's) of princo. They all burn at 2x. Some of them play in the PS2 and other ones don't. Why ???
Now they come in a pack of 45. They also burn 2x and I have already burned 50 and they all play in PS2.
The only difference that I saw in the two packs were:

Pack of 10 dvds princo: The reference number comes in the side of purple color (of course, in the center).

Pack of 45 dvds princo (the new ones that are sold now): The reference number comes in the top of the dvd (in the white side)

The reference number are diferent from each one. Does some one knows what's the mistery ? Because I still have some dvds (about 42) of these dvds that have the reference number at the purple side.

[klona]

all mines are "number on white side", not playing in PS2 after 4Gb roughly.

How do you burn @ X2 ? i can only burn X1 on my A03 firm 1.68 free, with gear dvd, recordnowMax, nero.

[rui.m.godinho]

Note: When I say they burn at 2x I say it because it only takes 30 minutes maximum. Never more.

I use firmware 1.92 and I use Prassi PrimoDVD, have already used Vobinstant, RecordNow 4.10 and Nero they all burned at 2x.
This is what I get from "Pre-Recorded Information in Lead In" with ADVDInfo:

00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 50 00 02 98 0C 13 .B...@....P.....
76 78 80 00 03 54 44 4B 47 30 32 00 04 30 30 30 VX...TDKG02..000
30 30 30 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 000.............

Do you think I shoould downgrade the firmware to test with the 1.68 firmware ? To see if the princo dvd-r that didn't in PS2 work now ?

[klona]

yes. these ones works fine in PS2 and burn @ X2 :
There are TDK-R2-0. so TDK disk, not Princo

The other wohc won't play are probably Princo. check with advinfo

[rui.m.godinho]

No, they are also tdk. Do you think that is something to do with the IDE cable ? Or with the firmware ? It got to be something, cause sometimes they work and other don't. They all work well in Sony NS700V and in a Muster300, but in PS2 some of them don't work. Can you help me here please :confused:

[klona]

Just ordered Choice White Top Branded (Generation 3) www.cdr-by-mail.co.uk and received GSC-R1-0.
They looks visually nice, plays fine in my PS2 but gives errors in my sony standalone.
Anyone knows what is GSC brand ?

Choice Branded 4.7GB 2X General Purpose DVD-R should be the TDK-R2-0, but are now violett, not anymore white top.
If someone bought it, can he confirm it's TDK-R2-0 ?

[bezerk]

Just got 50 bulkpaq DVD-Rs from cdrbymail.
Burned one with prassi primo and after verifying recieved an error:

error -10 at sector 2192272 - Command:28 Sense 03 ASC:11 ASCQ:05

image is 4572516 KB long (2286258 sectors) so error is somewhere at the end of the disk.
I get this kind of errors with piece of c. Acer media (vivastar).
All my Riteks G1 and G3 burn without errors.
I will test some more, but I guess I won't be buying this kind of media again. Anyway it's extremly cheap but with errors not worth anything.

[klona]

I had one with an error of this sort. Burned about 30 others and they were OK. Burned with Gear DVD and DVD Decrypter

[bezerk]

I hope you're right Klona.

I tested the first one I burned.

1. Primo reports error verifying
2. unable to rip it from Pioneer DVD 116 (lots of file have errors)
3. unable to rip it from Pioneer DVD A03 (same thing)
4. Pioneer standalone 444 hangs on it in minute 77 (pixelization....)

The second one I burned with the same image

1. Primo again reports error verifying
2. Unable to rip it with A03 (error in last file)
3. didn't bother with 116 and 444

I'm gonna try another one later when my baby girl goes to sleep,
cause I want to exclude all errors that can happen when she speeds by computer :D

Oh yeah and the discs are obiously the same as others got:

00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 50 00 02 98 0C 13 .B...@....P.....
76 78 80 00 03 50 52 49 4E 43 4F 00 04 00 00 00 VX...PRINCO.....

[klona]

I do tests in that way :
Create Image file with img tools, or ripping directly to ISO a dvd5 with DVDDecrypter

Burn the ISO with DVDDecrypter, X1 selected, not max.

Rip again the burned DVDR to test if there is error reading it.
Play the last 30 min of the movie in my Sony Standalone and my PS2.

These discs have sometimes troubles with the ps2, but play nicely in my standalone, what is the opposite of all other cheap dvd I had

[bezerk]

burned the third one, same thing, errors through out the disc, gonna give it another go and then I'm sending this garbage back to where it came from, even below any criteria vivastar media is far superior to this junk, I just can't belive it !:angry:

[bezerk]

Well, I finally had a success burn with last disc from another 25 cake box (first 3 were from other box, randomly picked).

I'm gone burn a few more and see how it goes.

Anybody know how cdrbymail's return policy works ?
Are they fair ?

[bezerk]

I tried a few more, my friend also burned 2, all were BAD burns.
Another thing is even the successful burn can't play right in pioneer DV-444.
I'm sending the discs back as soon as I get reply from cdrbymail, still waiting for that to happen.
It's a shame disks like that can be sold, there is obviously no quality control.
There are some tiny scratches on them and tiny, tiny clouds of specks in the dye.

If anyone asks me, I would say, STAY THE %#"# AWAY FROM "%#!"#$#"!"%# BULKPAQ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel better now, thank you.

[klona]

i am sorry to read you have so many trouble with discs I recommended..

I burned about 10 discs today with no problem. After reading your post, i test every one by ripping burned disc with dvddecrypter in my DVDRAM 116. all fined. So nearly 40 burned out of the 100 I bought and running fine, except PS2 where I get pixalisation at the end of the disk.
And I have no defects at all on the surface.

[alamatula]

well i've bought a 10 pack of those Princo DVDs
ADVDinfo:

00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 50 00 02 98 0C 13 .B...@....P.....
76 78 80 00 03 54 44 4B 47 30 32 00 04 30 30 30 VX...TDKG02..000
30 30 30 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 000.............


I've burned 1 movie so far in them and it doesn't play on X-Box or PS2, haven't the chance to try it out on a standalone DVD player.

I got a Pioneer DVR-104 firmware 1.32, burned it with Nero 5.5.9.0 under Windows XP.

Would like to know if there's any adequate software for burning it right and if it needs any special options to be set.

[Platin]

Yeah, i bought those Choice 2X you're asking about. They are
indeed TDKG02, but they are not good for me.

How they look: Bought 100pack, came in two 50packs shrink-wrapped
roles. Topside is white text on blue background labels. They are
light purple (or violett).

How i burned: With Pioneer DVR-104 about 8 different images on
2X speed with Stomp RecordNow. The burns are fine and finishes
in not more than 30min.

How they played: In my Pioneer DV-454 they sometimes work, and
they sometimes won't. The same disk will either play or it won't.
I am beginning to suspect the player to be faulty because if I
turn off the player overnight, and then try the same disk again
in the morning, it has a greater chance to work. But since I
have had succesfully burned over 100 disks using other brands
and tested them in my player, all working, I can't really blame
the player alone. I think it's a combination of both the player
and the media. The behaviour is always this when it won't play:
The Pioneer tries to load the disk, displaying "Loading" for
about 1 minute, then says "Stop" and then shows "DVD" and won't
respond to play button.

So I thought that instead of wasting my money on the return shipping
costs to cdr-by-mail, I would use these Choice disks to burn in 1X.
As it turned out it didn't work either on the Pioneer DV-454.

I have also tried them on my PS2. Same symptoms except that the PS2
is even worse on playing them. Won't recognize it as a DVD so it
boots into the "show info screen".

On a Pioneer DVD 105 (dvd-rom) and the burner Pioneer DVR-104 the
disks play back fine.

I'm now thinking on using these disks for data-storage only.


Originally posted by klona
Just ordered Choice White Top Branded (Generation 3) www.cdr-by-mail.co.uk and received GSC-R1-0.
They looks visually nice, plays fine in my PS2 but gives errors in my sony standalone.
Anyone knows what is GSC brand ?

Choice Branded 4.7GB 2X General Purpose DVD-R should be the TDK-R2-0, but are now violett, not anymore white top.
If someone bought it, can he confirm it's TDK-R2-0 ?

[klona]

You should have any problems with these ones; It's TDK not Princo.

TDK-R2-0 seems to works fine in almost any player.

To do a real burning test, just rip a DVD5 with DVD Decrypter in ISO mode, then burn this ISO with DVD Decrypter.

Once burned, check for bad setor by ripping again the DVDR just burned

[Platin]

I will try to do what you suggested.

So far these TDK disks have not been good for me. I was very disappointed because from what I have read in this forum TDK seem to be the best media for my money.

The Princo have worked flawless on both Pioneer DV-454 and PS2 though, but only at burning speed 1X.

I'll get back to you when I've tried your suggestions... though I
have some doubts about why there should be any difference whether
I use DVD Decrypter or RecordNow for burning if the image is good.

[Platin]

Ok, now I have done what you suggested and the results are
like this:

First disk with first ISO-image has been succesful:
+ Burning at 2X (less than 30min).
+ Ripping at 2X with DVDecrypter
+ Playing 4 times in 4 attempts on Pioneer DV-454

Second disk with second ISO-image has not been as succesful:
+ Burning at 2X
+ Ripping at 2X with DVDecrypter
- Playing 0 times in 6 attempts on Pioneer DV-454 and
playing 1 time in 1 attempt on Pioneer DVR-104

Third disk with second (again) ISO-image was a bit better:
+ Burning at 2X
+ Ripping at 2X with DVDecrypter
- Playing 2 times in 4 attempts on Pioneer DV-454


Choice Branded 4.7GB 2X General Purpose DVD-R
00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 50 00 02 98 0C 13 .B...@....P.....
76 78 80 00 03 54 44 4B 47 30 32 00 04 30 30 30 VX...TDKG02..000
30 30 30 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 000.............

The dye is light violett.

Conclusion is I'm still disappointed about these disks.

[klona]

Ok.
So, no I/O errors with these discs @ X2, but seems not so compatible with your DVD Player Pioneer DV-454.
Just one question, did you rip with your burner or with a DVDROM ?
Because burners are nearly always able to read even the crappiest disc of the world, and with no error !

What media are working in your player (ie very few or nearly all ?)

[Platin]

Yes as you suspected I used the burner Pioneer DVR-104 for my ripping test, but now I re-run the ripping tests with my Pioneer DVD-106 on another machine and it gave 100% successrate there too at reading speeds of 3.6X.

My experience with the Pioneer DV-454 is that most media is playable there. Some media like PrimeDisc that didn't work on my PS2 (giving alot of read errors while playing) work fine on the Pioneer DV-454.

[bezerk]

I sent bulkpaq media back to cdrbymail.
I will exchange them for Datasafe "Classic" branded (generation 3) 1X general purpose media , does anyone have good experience with these, to they work ??

I really wonder about cdrbymail, cause I also ordered white label RWs from them, which also suck beyond totaly, they are more like Rs no RWs cause once you burn the disc that's it, it seems they only sell CRAP media that just doesn't work, just look at their DVD list and search the forums !
Worst of all I think they are VERY AWARE of this and they still sell it!!

In case anyone wonders if there is something wrong with my setup, it ain't.
Tested media with 2 different computers and burners.
Yesterday I also upgraded firmware to 2xall from gradius and I can burn Primedisc (Ritek G3) at 2x with no problems at all, anyway I can burn everything that I ever ordered with success, except stuff I got from them. Even vivastar works more or less. (error when verifying at about last sector but DVD works just fine and can be riped with ease)
And if anyone wonders I didn't try to burn bulkcrap at 2, even at 1 it's impossibile.

I'm extremly dissapointed with them I guess I could have burned all 50 of them and probably none would work, I stoped at 8.

F**K THEM !!!

[murdof]

So Klona would you suggest the Choice 2x from cdr-by-mail?
Is it the same disc as the TDK DVDR 2x?
What player have your tried them on for compatibility?

I got the bulkpaq (100 pack) and about 25% would freeze when playing back on my Pioneer DV747A.
You could always put the disc back in the burner copy it to the hard disk and burn it on another disc and it would work.

What I'm doing right now cause Nero verify says everything is ok, I put the burned movied in my player overnight and see if it has frozen or stopped in the morning.

So I wouldn't buy any more bulkpaqs cause they might be a good deal but there are a lot of hussle. I have tried the recorded disk in a lot of my friends players. All of them had the same problem as me.

[klona]

I had no problem with these low cost TDK-R2-0, but now, I would not anymore suggest anything... I find bulpaq was a good deal as it works for me nicely (about 50 dvdr burned and 2 with I/O errors).
As I said in the first post, it's working in my standalone sony but not in my PS2. Seems it's not working also in the Pioneer DV747A and I am sorry to see you bought on my advice to find that it's not a good media for you.
I only do backups for myself, so I can only test in my 2 players, not more.

I would say that, the only media which seems to be reported as perfect in the forum by lots of people is Ritek DVDR.

be carefull that several people reported problems with the cheap TDK-R2-0 from cdr-by-mail.
Best is probably to buy a couple to test.

[murdof]

First of all I bought the bulkpaq without your advice cause I hadn't had the chance to read your comments on this forum.
But even if I did read your comments it wouldn't be your fault if I bought them. Everyone expresses their opinion here but there is always the risk.

I didn't say that the bulkpaq is total crap. I'm just saying that some disks seem ok but actually are faulty and that might trick you when you burn the disc. You actually have to go and double check it in your player.

So I'm looking for a hussle free solution. A disc that I will burn and will work for sure on all players and will not freeze.
I understand that the Ritek is a good deal but can't find an online European store to buy it.
Can you please point me to a good online shop that sells it and ships within the EU?

Thanks