What is good CCE setting for action movie like fast & furious

[lonewolf454]

I have been using following settings:

Max 2500
Min 500
Min avg - unchecked-
Max Avg 2200

3-4 pass VBR, IQ at 17-20

Need movie to fit on 2 cdrs-800 mb, using a P4 2Ghz 512 DRAM.

I encoded "Time Machine" with above setting but it looks like *&%# when I got through. All the high action scenes pixelized badly. Other action movies I have done turned out ok with above settings. Is this becuase Time machine has a lot of bright scenes? Should I turn down the max avg so I owuld have more space for high action scenes?

Fast & Furious has a LOT of action scenes and dont want them to pixelize or be blurred.

Thanks for any help with this.

[auenf]

run thru a first pass as per the robshot guide, then in the advanced settings, see what bitrate you can get down to with max Q of 10, that will give you an idea of what sort of bitrate the movie will want without blocks

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[lonewolf454]

Robshot sounds like more of a dvd to dvd-r conversion and very complicated at same time, and presumably time consuming as well.

I was just wondering, as a rule of thumb, what settings some of you guys use for action movies, about 100 minutes length.(NTSC)

Max ?
Min?
Min Avg ?
Max Avg ?
Bicubic 0,0.60?
5 pas VBR?
Anti-noise?
IQ=?
Q Factor?
Deinterlace or not?

What is a good Rule of thumb or what have you been having good results with?

[colebert]

n/m

[lonewolf454]

what

[auenf]

basically for SVCD's i put it on 9 pass VBR, set the desired bitrate to fit the # of discs i require, then take a holiday.

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[lonewolf454]

I thought advantage of multipass started diminishing at 3-4 pass and anything over 5 pass would NOT yield better results... or at least thats what I been reading in these forums.

[hitch]

Personally, I use:
Min at 700
Min Avg checked at 1650
Max Avg 2000/2100 depending on movie length (>1hr,50min I use 2000)
Max = varies (Max legal SVCD bitrate of 2748 minus total audio bitrate minus 50 for insurance)
Cut point @ 785 (I add motion menus so I need the extra room)
4 pass VBR (I don't get to take holidays much)
IQ at 22-24

I generally fit most movies less than 2 hours on 2 CDs with acceptabce (to me) quality.

You might read the sticky post about favorite CCE settings in the DVD2SVCD forums. It's very informative.

[The_Flash]

Originally posted by lonewolf454
I thought advantage of multipass started diminishing at 3-4 pass and anything over 5 pass would NOT yield better results... or at least thats what I been reading in these forums.

CCE's manual tells you that quality maxes between 4-5 passes as well.

[auenf]

Originally posted by The_Flash


CCE's manual tells you that quality maxes between 4-5 passes as well.

that doesnt stop me making my computer busy (and heating up the house??) till i get home from work.

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[Jaspa]

Originally posted by lonewolf454
I have been using following settings:

Max 2500
Min 500
Min avg - unchecked-
Max Avg 2200

3-4 pass VBR, IQ at 17-20

Need movie to fit on 2 cdrs-800 mb, using a P4 2Ghz 512 DRAM.

I encoded "Time Machine" with above setting but it looks like *&%# when I got through. All the high action scenes pixelized badly. Other action movies I have done turned out ok with above settings. Is this becuase Time machine has a lot of bright scenes? Should I turn down the max avg so I owuld have more space for high action scenes?

Fast & Furious has a LOT of action scenes and dont want them to pixelize or be blurred.

Thanks for any help with this.


are your movies pal or ntsc?

it can that your previous movies are progressive material, and the time machine is interlaced source, so you need much more bitrate for an interlaced movie, and the avbr must be higher than 2400 kb/s so that you can get good looking results,

or try to de interlaced, what i´am not recomerd.

All my movies like The Matrix with a movie lenght of 125 min
have good results on 2 / 800 MB CDR´s

min bitrate 300
max avbr 2300

so you get normaly at bitrate 1600-1750 kb/s when viewing with the bitrate viewer.

but i use billinear resize and not bicubic
and also the temporal smoother filter 2/1
to get ride of Makkroblocks

or another way is to use 90min CDR´s for higer Bitrates on 2 Cd´s

[lonewolf454]

Well rencoded Fast & Furious with following settings, with very good results I might add.

Min 0 Max 2500 Max Avg 2200 Bicubic Resize 0.00,0.60, Temporal Smoother, IQ=17, 9 Pass VBR. Audio 160,Encode took about 14 hours, however.

With running this many passes, its it possible that the robshot method could be any better. It only got screwy a couple of times in playback, but it was the (Sanyo) player. It maxes at 2500 according to vcdhelp, but the peak bitrate on mpeg file, according to bitrate viewer was 3258 with average of 2213. Why is the peak so high even though I have max set at 2500?

I am trying another movie with same setting right now, just 192 kbps audio cause its shorter. Will post results.

[lonewolf454]

tried the smae setting, except for audio, on Lake Placid, which was a relitively short movie (87 minutes). This time much worse encode. Checked the muxed00.mpg file. Br Peak 3328 Avg 2397, Q Factor Peak 17.45, avg 3.88. muxedfile01.mpg was about as bad, with a q factor of 16.29. I dont understand why cce couldnt get the q factor closer to 10 because it didnt even use 1/3 or more of second disc. Plyed back and it had some slight av out of synch and some artifacts. I dont know how to force cce to fill the second disc. Question is why did the Q go so high on this encode vs last, both were 235:1 resized to 16:9, O yes, Lake placid was incorrectly flagged as a 4:3 movie but dont see why that would matter...

...The never ending saga continues...

[Jaspa]

why dont use a svcd calculator, and make than a cbr encoding, with the calculatet bitrate, and than you can perfekt fill up 2 cd´s without problems and good quality over the hole lenght of the movie.

remember with standard settings fpr a svcd you can fit up 40-45 min on 1 cd (700mb) and lake placid has only 87 min, so you should use this method instead of multipass encoding.

much faster --->> better quality

[lonewolf454]

What about the Q Factor? Will I, and do I need to, get it to max out at about 10. I was told if I could get it at 10.00 or less result would be (close to) perfect... (Quantization Factor). Can I do that with CBR or VBR? And is it necessary?