Gordian Knot permanent burnt in subtitles ??

[Mahimahi]

Despite several tries and reading the Gordian Knot guide over and over I cannot convince it to burn subs into my movie :(

GUIDE;
2 files will be created in the directory you've provided: vts_01_0.idx and vts_01_0.sub.

If you want subtitles permanently inserted in the picture that's it and you can go to the next step

So far so good, I have the two files produced by Vobsub in my working directory.

In the next step

GUIDE;
Then the subtitles. Here you are at a crossroads: If you want permanent subtitles press the Select VobSub Files button and select the ifo file from the 3 files that VobSub has created for you.

And here its going wrong. I dont have an ifo file in my working dir.
At first the guide said "Vobsub will make 2 files" which it did.
Now the guide says it should have created 3 files, which it didn't. I dont have that third file and the two others refuse to load.

Can anyone help me out here please?

[DJ Bobo]

Older versions of VobSub made 3 files, including an ifo file. Newer ones make only 2: sub & idx

Edit your avs file manually, by adding the following:

loadplugin("...\vobsub.dll")
VobSub("...\filename")

[Mahimahi]

Hi DJ,

Thx for the responce
But what file should I load with "VobSub("...\filename")"?
Is it the original ifo that was produced by the Rip?

It seems strange to me that Gordian Knot fails here to incorporate the sub-handling automatiquely while everything else runs smooth by itselves. Is this a known bug, do you think that something will be done about it in a new version of G.K.? (I am new to Gordian Knot)

[DJ Bobo]

I don't use GKnot anymore, I used it for a week or so a long time ago as there were the version 0.21, to see how it works. Now, I do all things manually.

Replace filename with the name of the idx file.
Check in VirtualDub to see if the subtitles appear. If they don't appear (or the wrong ones appear), edit the idx file so that langidx shows the right number.

[Mahimahi]

Thx DJ,

I'll jump on it :)

[Mahimahi]

Strange...., everything you told me to insert into that file was already there but it didn't produce any subs. (The Avs comes from the last project I did yesterday)

For checking in VirtualDub I need to change the colorspace from Yuv back to RGB dont I? Now it gives me a blanc screen.
=======================================================
# Created with Gordian Knot
#
# http://thewef.nav.to
#
# PLUGINS

LoadPlugin("D:\VIDEO\GORDIA~1\mpeg2dec.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\System32\vobsub.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\VIDEO\GORDIA~1\SimpleResize.dll")

# SOURCE
mpeg2source("G:\_WERKEN\Others.d2v")

# CROPPING
crop(4,0,709,574)

# SUBTITLES
VobSub("G:\_WERKEN\vts_04_0")
#
# RESIZING
SimpleResize(576,320)
==============================================

[manono]

Hi-

I'm using the version of VobSub (2.0.14.0) that comes with the latest GKnot and when I go to set up the .avs I see 2 .idx, 1 .ifo, and 1 .sub file. So I think you didn't get what you needed in the earlier step. When you went to get the subs in the first place, did you use that little down pointing arrow to get the .ifo as you should have done (different from Doom9's Guide) and not the .idx and .sub files?. Then when creating the .avs, select your VobSub file, run the Preview and you should see them.

You may have problems with that crop also (any green line along the right side?).

[Mahimahi]

Sub problem solved !!!! thx

And yep that green vertical bar is there at the left side of the screen :(

Question :) how can I make it go away ...hehe

[manono]

Hi-

Hehe-I thought so, but I thought I'd let you think it over for awhile. Simple Resize and IVTC must abide by the "Horizontal Crop Divisible By 4" rule. So, that 709 must be changed to something that can be divided by 4. So, maybe try this:

crop(4,0,708,574) or
crop(6,0,708,574) or
crop(4,0,712,574) or something like that. And always check the .avs in the Preview or open it in VDub-Nandub and scroll around to make sure it looks OK and doesn't crash before doing the actual encoding. I think you were doing that already when checking out the subs, but it could save you a lot of grief later on.

And if you think the position of the subs is too high on the screen, then give them positive "y" values (under the red square-40 usually works well), and if you don't like the color, then check the "Custom Colors" box, and hit the color you want to change. See-all kinds of free advice-worth about what you paid for it.

[Nowaru]

Hey I'm also having probs doing the subs except preview doesnt work for me. The movie doesnt play when I select the ifo file, the subs dont show up for me at all and the best I've gotten is a grey overlay over the image whenever the subs are meant to show up with the sub outlines showing up transparent. Also I cant open avs files in nandub either.

The screen where I position the subs, thats the red square inside the square box right?

[Nowaru]

Hey I'm also having probs doing the subs except preview doesnt work for me. The movie doesnt play when I select the ifo file, the subs dont show up for me at all and the best I've gotten is a grey overlay over the image whenever the subs are meant to show up with the sub outlines showing up transparent. Also I cant open avs files in nandub either.

The screen where I position the subs, thats the red square inside the square box right?

[manono]

Hi-

If the Preview doesn't work and you can't open the .avs in Nandub either, it's most likely something besides the subs that went wrong. Try this-don't choose any subs at all and see if the preview works. If it still doesn't work, then it's not the subs-perhaps you IVTC'd and also have a Horizontal Crop not divisible by 4, like the fellow above. Does the Preview get a funny shape and give you an error message? If the preview works with no subs, but doesn't work when subs are added, then it is the subs that are at fault. Try putting the sub line last (after Resize) by editing the .avs.

As for the subs themselves-

The screen where I position the subs, thats the red square inside the square box right?

Yes it is. As for the subs not showing up-you read my message to the other fellow, right? You went through the stage where it says something like "I crossed my fingers..."? Were you playing with the checkmarks under the 4 colors? Ordinarily the 4 colors will come with 1 box with a check under it. It is meant to be left checked. The remaining 3 (sometimes 2) will have one black box meant to be the background or outline color, and one or two other colors meant to be the sub colors themselves (with yellow or light gray usually the main sub color). But if you start adding and taking away checkmarks, anything can start to happen-black screen-see through subs-all kinds of weird stuff. Anyway-I hope you have enough clues to begin to track down the problems.

Edit-I just saw your exchange with D J Bobo. Maybe it's OK, but I've never put the sub files in a different folder-when VobSub asks where to put the subs, I just point to where all the other movie files are.

[Mahimahi]

Re-hi Mano,

Sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I had to go to bed it was already one o' clock in the morning here in Belgium.

About the cropping; I know about the 4 - 8 - 16 - 32 rule. In Xmpeg I even made the cropping values always divideable by 32. But there I
first did an approximate resise and after that I cropped to divideable by 32 values like 576x320 (cutting a little bit of the picture sides to be sure that i got rid of the black bars)

I must admid that I did just the opposite here :(.
I let GKnot do the cropping and then I used the sliderbar to make the values of the frame dividable by 32 (I was so very satisfied with that because it gave me a zero aspect ratio error...hehe)

Edit-I just saw your exchange with D J Bobo. Maybe it's OK, but I've never put the sub files in a different folder-when VobSub asks where to put the subs, I just point to where all the other movie files are.

It works, but I think you got a point here.
I put the Vobs and the Working Dir always on a different physical drive for speed reasons, as I am doing now the Subs reside on the drive with de working Dir, so, during encoding the program has to read from two different drives.
Just one taught....The dir where the Vobs reside contains already an idx file with the same name as the one Vobsub will produce. This initial file is a lot bigger than the one that will overwrite it.
If for some reason one has to redo the subs (wrong language file choosen or so) will this still be possible?

[Mahimahi]

/me wrote
It works, but I think you got a point here.

Sorry wrong appreciation.

Should have been "You got lots of points here allready":)

[manono]

Hi Mahimahi-

...I cropped to divideable by 32 values like 576x320

Don't confuse the Crop with the Resize. Cropping is cutting the black bars from the original 720x480 (or where you are, 720x576). That's the one that must be divisible by 4 (the horizontal or 720 part). And you're right-GKnot reverses the order from Flask-XMPEG-maybe it's confusing. The 16-32 stuff is for the Resize.

...during encoding the program has to read from two different drives.

I do it slightly differently, but also for speed reasons. I have all the files in one folder, and then write the .avi to a different Hard Drive (I only have 2-maybe you have more). But I'm no expert on what gives you the fastest speed. I'm no expert on anything really. I just know a little bit about a lot of things.:)

If for some reason one has to redo the subs (wrong language file choosen or so) will this still be possible?

Sure-just go back into VobSub and choose another language and make another .avs. The .idx files have slightly different names so nothing gets overwritten. I mentioned in my first post that I have 2 .idx files after the subs are created.

By the way-where did your nickname come from? Where I live, it's the Hawaiian name for a fish that swims in our ocean.

[Mahimahi]

Lol, I knew you would ask that :D

I am a Big Game fisher, worldwide.
I love catching that fish, it is beautiful and it's a famous fighter and jumper.
Do you fish too?
We're just back from a fishingtrip in Corpus (Port Aransas)
And for December we already chartered a boat for the Maldive Islands in the Indian ocean.
Never been in Hawai though. Is it good fishing there?

Sorry for the poor English, my native language is Dutch

[manono]

Hey Mahimahi-

Do you fish too?

Yes, I'm a commercial fisherman.

Is it good fishing there?

Yes-the best fishing in the world for Pacific Blue Marlin right where I live-also excellent for other kinds of billfish, mahimahi, wahoo, yellowfin tuna and many smaller fish. All are caught where I live-like just a few miles away. Today begins the Hawaiian International Billfish tournament. The town mentioned in This Link (http://www.konabillfish.com/) is my town.:)

[Mahimahi]

(Admin please be indulgent for so much off topic but I just found a soul-mate :) )

WAW, Great Mano !!!

Wish I could be there now.
It is a pitty that prices in the US for chartering gameboats are so high, otherwise you could expect me and my fishing-mate to come and pay you a visite :)
We went to Aransas on a scouting trip for a travel agency and a fishing magazine here in Belgium. So we only had to pay for the airplane-ticket.
We checked the prices against those we pay in Asia and Africa and came to the conclusion that all Americans are very wealhty people.. :).

Professional fisherman you said, what kind of fishing do you do?
Is it specialized fishing or whatever takes the bait?

Manono, I think we should switch to personal messages or E-mail if we continue talkin shop otherwise the forum admin will get mad at us.
Always welcome at rj.bracke@pandora.be

By the way I still cant get rid of that bar at the left side of the frames. I tried several cropping settings all divisable by 4. (In my case it is not a green but a brown bar, about 5 mm thick when seen in full screen)But i'll keep trying

Tight Lines
Roger