X-MEN DVD to DVD-R help

[DaSilva]

Hya I have ripped this DVD to my HD and now I just want the main movie with one audio track and one subtitle track.
It's the PAL version of the movie.
When I load up the main movie ifo file it has 3PGC's: PGC1 20 chapters PGC2 15 chapters and PGC3 also 15 chapters.
I want to put the "Extended Branching Version" on DVD-R.
I'am going tu use CCE to reencode and Scenarist to Remux.
I have done "normal movies" with these programs so i kinda know how they work.
But I have no idea how to start with this movie.
All three PGC's have the same VOB ID so I can't use Ifoedit to strip them.
There is an option in Ifoedit to remove seamless branching but is is greyed out so i cannot select it :(!
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[caprioles9000]

Is this version of X-men ...with the "extended branching" a seamless branching title...can anyone confirm....I have the same thing at home ..and want to keep the extended version ...so if i just strip the other two pgcs ..can i just keep as it is then or would i have to re-encode with CCE just because i stripped the seamless branching??????!!!! Anyone with an idea please let us know???

[influenza]

I don't know the title, but I guess by what you are telling that it is eamless branching. If all PGS have the smae VOB id but they use not all the cells/different sequenxe I would say It's seamleslly branched.

What kind of backup do you want to make? Movie Only? Complete DVD?

If all PGCs only have one VOBID it would not be that difficult I guess. Assuming the largets PGC is the complete extended version you're talking about. Just rip the largest PGC, get the chapters/cells for that one and put it back together in Scenarist (movie only).

If you want to keep everything (menu, extras etc). You also rip the largest PGC in this case (since ther's only one vobid) and recreate all three PGCS in scenarist.

[caprioles9000]

Thats correct Influenza ....they all have the same vob id "1"...as DaSilva explained PGC1 has all the 20 chapters ....PGC2 & PGC3 just repeat some of those chapters..... i wanted to stip out the other two PGCs....2 & 3 ..and keep the whole DVD completely.....because if i strip the other two PGCS it would fit on a DVD-5.....but Ifoedit does not want to recognize that it is a seamlessly branched DVD.The seamless branching option is grayed out...If i simply strip the other two PGCs ..and the rest of the files fits a DVD-5..all i would have to do is get VTS sectors and i am done right...or when you strip out stuff with seamlessly brached DVDs do you always have to re-create the whole DVD?????.......But somehow I cannot select the option of seamless branched on ifoedit so that i can choose which PGCs i wanna strip......is there any other program that i can use to do this!!! I have tried many different versions of ifoedit....i also have seen that many others on the forum also have this issue ...but somehow no one has come up with a solution ..I use xp as OS.....!!! Maybe if there was another software:) i could use to strip it out!!!!

[influenza]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but stripping out pgc 2 and 3 will not save you any space. Since it's seamlessly branched they only reference to cells from vobid 1. So you have one vobid and 3 PGCs. PGC1 is the one that defines the total size of the vobset. PGC 2 and 3 don't take any additional space. Stripping those will not get you a smaller VOBset I think.

[caprioles9000]

hmm to be honest i have no clue .....i thought that the two extra pgcs were taken up extra space in the vobs.....i wish i could try stripping it ..so that i can see whether it does make a difference in the vob sizes.......well.....i guess i will have to see whether i could find a version of ifoedit that does allow me to strip the seamless branching stuff....current version 0.95 does not :(.....then after that i guess i will have to use the seamless/scenarist method to compile things back again:)

[influenza]

I'm afraid that you would have to reencode your video to make things fit.


But If you want to know for sure:
Open dvddecryptor in file mode. Only select pgc 1 and rip this to your harddisk. See if it has an other size then the entire vobset.

[caprioles9000]

I already have the full vob files ...i ripped it as File mode....so i do not have the DVD anymore ..but i could try it with smart ripper i guess...right .....by showing the files from the HDD i guess...

[influenza]

with smartripper that would be possible.

[mpucoder]

Originally posted by caprioles9000
I already have the full vob files ...i ripped it as File mode....so i do not have the DVD anymore

Why not?

[caprioles9000]

borowed the DVD!!!

[coona]

You can mount it like virtual drive with Daemon Tools ;).

[caprioles9000]

welll ...i found the solution .......I decided to test another seamlessly branched DVD to make sure that this version of X-men really is seamlessly branched ...so i popped in Matrix....and guess what ...ifoedit 0.95 just picks on it (that the matrix is seamlessly branched) ..so there is nothing wrong with my computer or 0.95 as i thought before it was......so it leads me to conclude that this X-Men DVD is not seamlessly branched...why in the hell do they call it Extended Branching Version then???? Duh!!!!..However what is strange is the PGC setup .....as explained above its 1 VOBID with some of the chpaters repeating...so you would expect it to be seamless......I simply do not know anymore :(.....i do not know how i shoudl go about backing up this dvd now???

[influenza]

Well like I said reencoding is needed I think.

What would be the easiest way (if it works, I think it does but never tried it). Rip the largest PGC, rencode this one. Reauthor this one and make sure the chapter and cell layout is the same as the original PGC 1. Use ifoupdate in adjusted cell mode.

I think this will work since you only have one vobid.

Good luck.

[influenza]

Since I was a little bit curious myself I searched my own dvd collection to see if I have a title with a similar layout and I found one:

5 pgcs all using vobid 1. pgc 1 and 3 seam to be the same. The other pgcs only use parts of pgc1.

So this is how I did it:

ripped only the largest pgc (1 in this case, but could also have been 3 since it's the same).

Reencoded this with cce. Used ifoupdate to save chapters (adjusted cell). Imported all my assets into scenarist. Exported my script, used scenchap to add chapters. Created just one pgc in scenarist and compiled my project.

Used ifoupdate in adjusted cell mode to update the original ifo.

Everything works fine. So this is how you shoul/could do it.

Good luck.

[caprioles9000]

Great .....then i will do the smae however i will use Maestro ...with one Playlist....btw ...... now that all the Vobs are on my HDD ..i guess i should use smart ripper to demux PGC1....Probably use streamprocessing right. Then use the d2v file that smartripper makes ....to re-encode....is there any other way???

BTW : Why did you use adjusted cell mode ???

[influenza]

I never use smartripper anymore, but what you say sounds quite logical.

Why I used adjusted cell mode? I wanted to use the easiest method that's why.

Basically there are two ways:

1)recreate the title exactly as it is. So in scenarist you would have to make 3 pgcs (and in maestro 3 playlists I guess, but I don't use maestro). In this case I would use ifoupdate in standard mode.

2)Recreate only pgc 1. Since pgc 1 contains all vobids also used in the other pgcs that's possible. But because the other pgcs have cells that reference to pgc1 (or better vobid1) I have to make sure that my ifo gets updated with this information (recreate all the references). So in this case I use the adjusted cell mode, because that's exactly what adjusted cell mode does.

[caprioles9000]

great thnx for tha great information........ I guess i'll try smart ripper and see what i can do ..with it ..and will use the adjusted cell mode to update the cells....