DVD2AVI 2 Pass

[Mahneb]

ok then. I know i'm a rookie at this sort of thing, but i was wondering how on earth you do 2 pass encoding with DVD2AVI. I have used easydivx (too many bugs, but an ok prog) but cant get an end result. Cant use Xmpeg keeps crashing, Flask don't do it. Gnot is just too complicated for my liking.

So help me out here guys. I notice DVD2AVI can do it, so is it hard or what?

:)

[((( atom )))]

before nobody answeres you question here...

you don't want to hear this, but: use gknot, you won't regret it!

it takes an hour or so to get into, but it pays off right away. (well, depending on your machine, it actually pays off after about 6-10hours ;) )

it might look a little confusing in the first place, because it has all these tabs, but if you strat with divx5, you will actually only use 2 or three of them. also it is rocksolid.

once you start understanding, what your doing, it will be big fun for you, and you will know, you are on your way to do the things as good as they can be done.

also i wonder how you want to get your audio transcoded? if gknot is to complicated for you, transcoding audio without it must be your nightmare.. gknot has useable presets for that task and even muxes everything for you and comes out with a ready-to-watch-file.

hope i helped..

/jc

[Mahneb]

Thanks for the reply Justin, but i must say that Gnot is just too complicated for me. I don't know what halve of the tabs are for. I like EasyDiVX but it's too buggy. It just doesn't give an end result. Xmpeg is just no good (but i've put this down to my OS WinXP), Flask, as i said earlier doesn't have the option.

I'm a total rookie. But i have stumbled across a program called Vidomi. This does all that i want but there are a couple of things i don't uinderstand but i'll look them up. It uses the Xvid codec i think. But the end results look pretty cool and with 2 pass out of the box so to speak. I have tried encoding 1 film so far but have noticed that the further into the film, so the audio starts to lag behind it. But i'm fiddling with audio settings at the moment.

Have you tried Vidomi?

Thanks anyway.

:)

[Trahald]

gknot - u wont regret it!!!!!

just follow doom9s guides slowly.. its not hard at all

[twistee]

As wookie said. Just get doom9s guide on gnot and slowly go through it (its the only way you will learn). You get better results with gnot, and you actually learn what the program is doing to your dvd (so the whole dvd-ripping process isnt just a black box). challenge yourself ;)

[((( atom )))]

so, are u getting the point?

you came here to seek help from people who know.. so - trust'em, when they tell you, there is only one reasonable way: getting into it.

as i said, you only need 2 or 3 of the tabs in gknot (the others are mostly there for encoding divx3.11 with nandub, wich you don't need to anymore, since divx5 gives very satisfying results in most peoples eyes).

and if u check the amount of time it already took you with fiddling with audio settings, seeking help and alternative software, hoping, crashing and restarting, it would have been right enough to get into gknot. ;)

/jc

[Mahneb]

ok ok...you guys...

i'm gonna give it a go. But if it gets too demanding i'll be back.

Thanks.

:)

[((( atom )))]

good luck :)

[theReal]

it's enough if you understand 1/4 of the tabs - you're only going to need the first three and the last one for a Divx5 conversion.
:D

[Mahneb]

Thought i'd give you an update.

Well, it took me an hour to get the thing running. I printed off the doom guide and followed it to the book. It seems to be doing something so i'll let you know how it fares when it's finished but that probably wont be till tommorow (it's 10.30 PM GMT).

But i have a question. The DVD i'm trying to 'BACKUP' is Disney's Atlantis. I can vagguely remember reading somewhere that this has some specail protection feature, is this so?

Because i had real problems rippping it in fact. The only prog that would rip it ( i tried Dvd decrypter, clad & smartripper - all latest versions) was DVD decrypter. Because of the problems ripping it, when i then tried to play the vobs i couldn't. I could only play the vobs from the dvd decrypter rip.

Hope that makes sense. Anyway, another update later when it's finished.

:D

[jggimi]

I have experience with the Region 1 NTSC DVD of Atlantis.

If you are using that disc, be aware that it has a non-standard telecine and cannot use "Force FILM" in DVD2AVI. Use GKnot's IVTC instead. Doom9's guide will describe what to do.

In addition, I had no trouble using SmartRipper in Movie mode.

[theReal]

What player did you use to play back the vob files?

If you don't need to watch the vob files from HD, you shouldn't be concerned about playing them back if they can be converted. Have you tried to open the vobs in DVD2avi, save the project and open it in Gknot? If that works, who needs to play the vob files in a media player? ;)

[Mahneb]

The only reason for playing the vobs is to check to see if the rip went ok. I dont normally play the vobs. I use zoomplayer to view the vobs prior to encoding.

The dvd i'm using is region 2 Pal.

Smartripper definately didn't work in movie mode. Nor did DVD decrypter V3.1.0. only the latest Dvd Decrypter 3.1.1 worked.

I assume the vob rip is ok because it plays faultlessly in zoomplayer.

:)

[Mahneb]

Well, it's 8(ish) in the morning now and i checked to see the wonderful result i'd get with Gnot.

I rushed to my PC. First everything seems ok. I open the file and Hey presto a film!!....hoorah!!.......hold on whats this? The film loooks rather blocky....bloody blocky in fact. i know, i'll close it and re-open it. Huh?..whats this?..the filesize is 384,256..that's wrong. it should be 1 cd size 700,000 or something. That explains the blocks..not a good rip at all.

So i looked at it again and guess what?...the audio is out of sync also. The audio starts ok then gets progressivly worse. I'm getting to think theres a pattern here.

1. I'm getting to thinking that the Vob rip is not good.
2. Maybe the protection on this disc is good.
3. Gnot is just too complex for me at the moment.
4. Going back to Vidomi.
5. I like the Xvid codec.
6. Thanks for your help.
7. ta ta.

:D

[((( atom )))]

well, something went wrong.. let's figure.

1st, how did you do the audio? in gknot? we'll fix this..

> 1. I'm getting to thinking that the Vob rip is not good.

if gknot dsiplayed/encoded the movie correctly your vob-rip will be fine. search for the prob elsewere. also that dvd2avi displayes it correctly is an indicator for an ok rip.

> 2. Maybe the protection on this disc is good.

see 1.

> 3. Gnot is just too complex for me at the moment.

did you find more settings than in the other progs? i guess not. if you give up on every program after one try, you'll spend weeks on trying. stick to the best solution.

> 4. Going back to Vidomi.

see 3.

> 5. I like the Xvid codec.

it's rather complex to set up from my point of view, good codec though..

> 6. Thanks for your help.

welcome.

> 7. ta ta.

...

well, i'd suggest, you start over again.
to speed things up, you could select a range in dvd2avi, maybe 10mins or so of the movie and make sure to extract the audio here to. that gives you an ac3-output, wich gknot handles perfect. [dvd2avi->audio->ch.foram auto select->, dolby digital->demux, and of course coose the right track]

than follow the gknot guide very carefully. 30 mins, since you became a little familiar with it already. make sure not to choose 1cd but calculata avi filesize and enter the approx bitrate you had displayed for your last rip. it will then tell you the filesize to expect.

regards an good luck..

/jc

[theReal]

The film loooks rather blocky....bloody blocky in fact. i know, i'll close it and re-open it. Huh?..whats this?..the filesize is 384,256..that's wrong.On the Gknot encoder tab, be sure to select the movie's .avs file as "frame server", and the credits .avs file as "Frame Server Credits". If you don't want to encode the credits seperately, leave the "Frame server credits" without an input file.
I guess your movie was encoded as if it were the end-credits (with quant 20) - that doesn't look good. This happened to me the first time I used Gknot, that's why I assume it's the same in your case :)

btw. you can use XVid with Gknot, only you can't use all of Gknot's automated features (but you can still use the ripper, bitrate calculator, cropping and the avs-file creation. As soon as you learn how to deal with avisynth, you'll be changing the scripts manually anyways (and you'll be glad to use a script for all your video filters instead of some all-in-one solution that doesn't give you full control over everything).

[Mahneb]

Ok OK...i'll give it another try. I just tried another DVD with vidomi just in case it was the vob rip, but that was out of sync aswell.

I'm getting pretty P****d off with all this faffing about. Why doesn't someone produce a decent all in one program without any probs, just like Microsoft can with windows (was that a little satire eh? - he he).

I'll report back later.

:D

[stax76]

but i must say that Gnot is just too complicated for me.

maybe DVX is a little easier

[Mahneb]

Just finished, didn't work. I ended up with 3 different files . Main movie file was only 284,000k. Must be doing somethng wrong. Fed up with the whole process.

Maybe i'll stick to MP3. Video is just too complicated at the moment.

Roll ON a decent all in one package.

Maybe Doom could write one eh?

Thanks.

[stax76]

you don't have to trim credits, DivX 5.02 Bitrate control is clever enough to don't waste bitrate for the credits if you are clever enough to do two pass, using DVX you only have to select a few profiles and presets, a little child can do this

[Nic]

Mahneb check your PMs.....
(user cp->private messages)

-Nic

[hermanthegerman]

Your first question was how to do a 2-pass encoding with DVD2AVI.
Here it is:
1. I assume you know how to use DVD2AVI and the DivX codec
2. Open DVD2AVI and load your VOBs
3. Select the audio track with your language
4. Make your crop and resize settings
5. Goto 'File - Save AVI..' and select the Divx codec for compression
6. In the codecs configuration menu select '2-pass, first pass'
7. Select a location for the .log and .mv files
8. Enter Max keyframes 250. No crop, no resize.
9. Set RC averiging period to about half the number of the total frames of your
movie and performance/quality to slowest.
10. Start encoding (This will last a few hours)
11. When the first pass finished goto 'File - Save AVI..' and select Divx codec
again
12. In the configuration menu change mode to '2-pass, second pass'. DO NOT
change anything else.
13. Start encoding
14. When the second pass is done, open the AVI in VirtualDub.
15. Select 'Video - direct stream copy'
16. Select 'Audio - Full processing mode'
17. Select "Audio - WAV Audio...' and load the audio file created by DVD2AVI
18. Select 'Audio - Compression' and select MP3 with whatever bitrate you want
(I prefer 128kb/s at 48kHz)
19. Select 'Audio - Interleaving', 500ms Preload, Interleave every 1 frame
20. Select 'Audio - Volume', set volume to at least 150%
21. Save your AVI file

That's it.

Remember, the AVI file created by the first pass contains no video data, it's
blank.
If you want to know how your settings work, DVD2AVI allows you to select only a
small part of the movie so the conversin for the two passes only takes a few
minutes and you see how the final movie will be (take a scene with high motion for
testing the settings, you can also play with the codecs Pro features to see how
they work)
I hope I didn't miss a step. It's a while since I did my last rip this way. I
prefer to use DVD2AVI only to frameserve and do the compression in VirtualDub.
So good luck to you.

Servus,
hermanthegerman

[majerle]

Ehm ... We (and I too) are also waiting for a Nic' DVD2AVI ...
Byez

[mordant]

There is a pretty good all in one rock solid Divx solution...well almost all in one... FairUse. And if you use Mandrona as a shell it is an all in one solution.