Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second

[theamzngq]

Let me start by saying that this has been quite a journey! I have been reading and searching and reading for several days in a row now. I have learned so much! I haven't been very productive at work, but I've got to keep my priorities straight...:D
I am in awe of the amount of information that is found on this site. Huge thanks to all those who tirelessly help the rest of us wade through this whole process...

In my searching and experimenting, I think I've come to a point where I've not been able to find the answers I need, so I thought I'd ask them here.

First:
Following the Ifoedit-CCE guide, there are two instances when you are told to load the main movie IFO file in to ChapterXtractor:
1. To copy and paste chapters into CCE *.ecl file
2. To copy and paste chapters into Scenchap for Scenarist script

Is this refering to the original main movie IFO off of the DVD, or the IFO created by DVD decryptor in the main-movie-VOB-only rip? Or does it matter? And is it the same IFO for both cases?

Second:
I've gotten some errors during a Scenarist build:

Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Info No VTS<VTS_1> Language Tracks found
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Error The number(0.0) of frame in a VOBU is less than 11.99 (around 497:06:46:26).
Warning Exiting is canceled because "ExitVobuSizeError" is 0 in the file Scenarist.ini.
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Error Multiplex is terminated at 01:41:45:20 in the middle of scene "LostInSpace_pd-t-scn_20", but other cells are left. Please check video data file or track <LostInSpace_pd-t>.
Error dvd_mux : DoMux Multiplexing Error
Error Terminated Multiplexing (LostInSpace2.scn-LostInSpace_pd-t_t.vob).
Error Some CELLs which do not multiplexed are left

Uh....not sure what the problem is. Anyone have any ideas?

Third:
In the Ifo-CCE guide, after getting new VOBs from Scenarist and 'merging' them into the orginial DVD structure, the guide says you're basically ready for burning. However, if you want to remove certain prohibitions, you follow those instructions at which point you're instructed to load all IFOs into IfoEdit and click Get VTS sectors. The question is: do you have to load all IFOs and Get VTS sectors if you don't remove user prohibitions? Or do you need to do that anyway? I am also curious as to what 'Get VTS sectors' means anyway...(I haven't looked for that yet)

I am hoping that none of these questions are 'dumb'. I have honestly made an effort to follow the forum rules and have read and searched exhaustively, so please forgive me if the answers are somewhere else; I couldn't find them! If I need to include any more info, please let me know!

[theamzngq]

Just noticed that the Data End Time on my m2v file is different than the Data End Time on my AC3 track. See the screenshots at the link below (sorry, guesss img code is off)--->

http://www.theamazingq.com/images/scenarist.gif

The movie time is 1:41:51:22, the AC3 time is 1:04:27:17, and the movie time on the original DVD case itself is 130 minutes! Shouldn't these all be the same? What have I missed to get my times all screwy?

[klona]

Hi, Welcome here and happy to see new people first reading guide/forums before asking.. Sure that lots of people appreciate.


First:
Is this refering to the original main movie IFO off of the DVD, or the IFO created by DVD decryptor in the main-movie-VOB-only rip? Or does it matter? And is it the same IFO for both cases?

It's all the same. As all these streams are not yet reencoded, you will find the same info about chapters. Perhaps better to use the vob that are to be used as input to CCE, to avoid any error, by pointing to another movie for example :-)

Second:
I've gotten some errors during a Scenarist build:

Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.

Don't know about this one. But when importing, when m2v is really short, Scenarist ask you for ask you to choose between Still menu, still show or slide show. Perhaps a mistake here, but not sure.

Info No VTS<VTS_1> Language Tracks found
Clear; No audio track on vts_1. Even if not the main movie, you need to put audio track in vts1 as the audio "structure" has to be the same in all other vts than vts1.
More clearly, if you want 2 ac3 6ch in the main movie vts2 and 1 2ch in the vts3 (bonus), you need to put 2 dummy 6ch +1 dummy 2ch in vts1, VTS2 is ok with 2 AC3 6ch and 1 dummy 2ch and vts3 need 2 dummy 6 ch and the 2ch. This way all vts have 2 ac3 6ch and 1 2ch.
Once everything produced, you can strip dummy with ifoedit but it can perhaps cause compatibility troubles with standalones (I never had, but if scenarist force that, there must be a reason)

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Error The number(0.0) of frame in a VOBU is less than 11.99 (around 497:06:46:26).
Warning Exiting is canceled because "ExitVobuSizeError" is 0 in the file Scenarist.ini.

No idea.

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Error Multiplex is terminated at 01:41:45:20 in the middle of scene "LostInSpace_pd-t-scn_20", but other cells are left. Please check video data file or track <LostInSpace_pd-t>.
Error dvd_mux : DoMux Multiplexing Error
Error Terminated Multiplexing (LostInSpace2.scn-LostInSpace_pd-t_t.vob).
Error Some CELLs which do not multiplexed are left[/COLOR]

Related to the audio track too short.
Surely relative to NTSC but I do not know well that as i am doing only PAL. from Doom9 Guide :
"If your source is NTSC you must set Drop Type to Drop frame for EVERY asset (including audio even if an audio has no framerate)."

Third:
do you have to load all IFOs and Get VTS sectors if you don't remove user prohibitions?
No. Get VTS open all ifo and correct all.
this operation modify sector address of the different files. Standalone player need these sector addresses to jump to the correct file. PC based player can do without.
But, limitations are defined separatly for every IFO.
Derrow, that's true that a "Remove All Limitation and save" button could be nice. But no pb, i can afford two or three more clicks.

I am hoping that none of these questions are 'dumb'.

NP.

[theamzngq]

Wow, thanks. That clears some things up. Thanks!

That brings up another question, however: if I need dummy audio tracks, how do I find out how many tracks (dummy or real) should go where? I extracted all tracks from the main movie and put them all back in Scenarist. I only had only video title set, with three ac3 tracks (1 6ch, 2 2ch). These are the originals. How can I verify what it really should be?

Regarding my length differences between original movie, re-encoded movie, and ac3 files: could this point to a problem in my ripping or frameserving? I am using DVD2AVI 1.77.3 with vfapi 1.04. Could there be some incompatibility with this newest version of DVD2AVI, or perhaps vfapi that caused the 30 minute difference? Maybe the encoder isn't getting fed everything.

"If your source is NTSC you must set Drop Type to Drop frame for EVERY asset (including audio even if an audio has no framerate)."

This I did in Scenarist. However, the ac3 and the video were different lengths to begin with, so perhaps it didn't matter.

[p3distxii]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by theamzngq
Second:
I've gotten some errors during a Scenarist build:

Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Info No VTS<VTS_1> Language Tracks found
-----------
Error The number(0.0) of frame in a VOBU is less than 11.99 (around 497:06:46:26).
Warning Exiting is canceled because "ExitVobuSizeError" is 0 in the file Scenarist.ini.
--------
Error Multiplex is terminated at 01:41:45:20 in the middle of scene "LostInSpace_pd-t-scn_20", but other cells are left. Please check video data file or track <LostInSpace_pd-t>.
Error dvd_mux : DoMux Multiplexing Error
Error Terminated Multiplexing (LostInSpace2.scn-LostInSpace_pd-t_t.vob).
Error Some CELLs which do not multiplexed are left

Uh....not sure what the problem is. Anyone have any ideas?

I received this error using the most recent Scenchap (1.2) program. I reverted to the older version and it eliminated this error and I have a perfectly working DVD-R.

[daxab]

I've seen this a couple times. This usually means the very last scene is too close to the end of the video stream. You can move it back a bit (15 frames should do it). If the problem persists I'll make ScenChap fix it automatically.

[theamzngq]

I only had that problem one time. Haven't seen it since in the last couple scenarist projects I've done.

If you're the author, I'm sure that no one would mind of you made that adjustment in scenchap!

[hoops10]

What about his question:

"The movie time is 1:41:51:22, the AC3 time is 1:04:27:17, and the movie time on the original DVD case itself is 130 minutes! Shouldn't these all be the same? What have I missed to get my times all screwy?"

The movie I am doing now, the video and audio are off also and I think it's causing sync problems. The difference in the video and audio is like 6 or 7 secs in Scenarist and when I watch the movie, the audio is ahead of the video by about 6 or 7 secs. How do I fix this?

[klona]

If you listen to the AC3 stream, is it fastest than normal or just cut at 1:04:27:17 ?

Problem could be a bad rip of the ac3, simply.

[hoops10]

@klona

Is there a way for me to somehow move the audio back 6 or 7 secs so that the video and audio length match up?

[klona]

use AC3head (something like that can't remember the exact name to cut the AC3 (source mode)

In doom9 software

Don't know if we can set a negative start in Scenarist to correct directly.

[dvdRENEGADE]

Use Ac3 Delay Corrector. It's in Doom9's software download section.
1000ms = 1 second so you can cut or add as much time as you need to correct the AC3's length. Good luck, dvdRENEGADE

[theamzngq]

does this tool simply modify the built in delay in the ac3 file, or will it actually cut time off of the front of the ac3 file (which is what I want to do)?

I have another project where I need to cut 10 frames or so off of the front of the ac3 file to get better sync.

[hoops10]

@dvdRenegade

This is wierd, in scenarist it shows the video being 6 sec longer than the audio but when i play it the audio is 6 secs in front of the video. What should i do?

[klona]

Hi. I just had the same case ! with D-TOX rented R2.
It seems that there is no sound on the warner logo (? can't remember as writing from work) and the audio track start just after. That is the difference.
To fix that I just set a start of audio track at (length_video - length_audio).
In scenarist, go on track editor tab, open the vts concerned, select the audio track by clicking on it (the grey part) then write your figure to start the audio in Start time to video.

[hoops10]

@klona

This may sound wierd but it worked and now my movie is synced. I noticed, like I said before, that the audio was like 6 secs ahead of the video, but Scenarist showed that the video track was about 6 secs longer than the audio track (makes no sense). So I used AC3 delay corrector and chopped 6000 ms (6 secs) off the ac3 track to try and make it sync. Well all this did was now make the audio about 12 secs ahead of the video. So then I tried it the other way, I used AC3 delay corrector and added about 6 secs to the audio track, to match the length of it up with the video track. Well after several attempts with AC3 delay corrector I got the audio and video tracks to within one frame of each other, video is 2:32:32:25 and audio 2:32:32:24 and the movie is in good sync.

Any idea why I had to add to the audio track and why Scenarist didn't sync the video and audio together to begin with?

[Eyes`Only]

We'll finally have a fix for this! Check out

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=178408#post178408

it's just a matter of days! :)