messed up Ghost in the Shell DVD or messed up user? :)

[Hitokiri]

Hi all, my first post. I started out ripping dvd's a week or so ago. My first project was a Ghost in the Shell bootleg dvd, nothing difficult about ripping it because the IVTC went very well, of course back then i didn't know i should use filters in nandub, especially when ripping anime. But as you anime fans all know, bootlegs have inferior quality, so i decided to go and rip my PAL version dvd. That turned out to be quite a pain in the arse, it lacked the quality you should expect from a 600-700mb rip, so i tried again and again..until i read on this very forum that (deinterlacing-)ghosts in anime are very bad so i tried to find a way to eliminate the deinterlacing and keep progressive frames. Poopity suggested somewhere using 'discard field x', that resulted in a rip with 'less' ghosts, i thougt i was satisfied with the result, but this time the image had some sort of annoying vibration in it.

you can download a sample here (http://users.pandora.be/chronos/sample.avi) to see for yourself, notice the text at the begining of the movie. i am well aware i overused the warp sharp filter a little ;)

still, i tried to find a way to get rid of the remaining ghosts, until i found this:
1 (http://users.pandora.be/chronos/fuckedup1.jpg)
2 (http://users.pandora.be/chronos/fuckedup2.jpg)

I unfolded the 2 fields and noticed that images were sometimes blended into each other in the seperate fields. also notice the strange artifacts in field 1 and field 2 just above the red arrow.
Now i must say, i'm pretty new at all of this so i could be entirely wrong, but shouldn't the fat guy's blended face in the middle of field 1 be in field 2? does this mean my PAL dvd is totally screwed? any way of reversing the process or saving my progressive frames?

i'll appreciate any help, tnx

[jggimi]

I took the time to download and examine the .avi in nandub; to me it looks like the de-interlacing did not go very well. You might try a different de-interlacing filter. I use AviSynth rather than vfapi; that gives me access to Decomb or GreedyHMA to deinterlace.

You might also wait to hear from someone who's dealt with that particular dvd. :-)

[DJ Bobo]

@ Hitokiri
This is nothing new, and were discussed in this forum some times in the near past.
PAL anime DVDs that are interlaced, were subject of a weird NTSC-PAL conversion, done by some fucking idiots, that were lazy enough, to make a PAL speed up instead :angry:

-> no way to get 100% smooth motion
-> you'll have to live with those ghosts! don't even try to get rid of them, because if you reduce them: stutter, stutter, stutter,... :angry:

So, if you're not using AviSynth, use the deinterlace(blend) filter. If you're using AviSynth, use Decomb:

LoadPlugin("...\decomb.dll")
FieldDeinterlace()

Both methods have EXACTLY the same output and this is already the BEST you can get! :o

[Hitokiri]

tnx for the replies guys
i guess i'll have to make a 2cd rip with blend then, because those ghosts really mess up the quality :(
about that text at the beginning i was talking about, i meant another sample that actually starts at the start of the movie, but the sample i uploaded is from the same rip, so no problem there ;)

i was planning to try that avisynth/decomb combination, but if it will give me exactly the same output, then i won't bother trying ;)