DVDx 2.0 released [Archive]

dragongodz

12th June 2002, 06:19

well i can actually see both sides. labdv were getting so many hits the system was being overloaded. they were told that they would have to either pay or go somewhere else. they decided to pay and to also get more bandwidth etc with it. so i can understand them having to charge to access the web pages. yes i would rather see it free or at least the DVDx page. unfortunatly DVDx is one of the biggest hits causes so thats unlikly to happen. at least they made the forums free to view eventually.
now the main problem is that Jean Luc is the guy in charge of DVDx so i wont go against what he wants to do. i will ask him however if he (or me) is willing to setup a link or something for ookami to download DVDx 2 from and let you know what he says.

actually a last minute bug was found by me (Jean Luc released before my last bug report sadly). the shutdown for windows 98/me was broken with the fix for windows 2000/xp shutdown. expect DVDx 2.0a in a few days.

Doom9

12th June 2002, 11:28

how much traffic do you get from DVDx alone in a single month? I have around 50GB.. but I don't charge for it, do I? ;)

dragongodz

12th June 2002, 14:18

well from memory (dont quote me) they were meant to be getting about 40000 hits a day just for DVDx pages.
i am not a part of labdv though (just a contributor through DVDx) so please dont take their actions/policy out on me. i have no say in any decisions made by them.
anyway i just got a reply from Jean Luc ( i had sent him 1 saying how much doom9 have supported DVDx etc) and he says he has sent you a link where you can get DVDx 2 from. so that should solve that.

the bug i mentioned only effects the auto shutdown option in DVDx on windows 98/me so 2000/xp users or people who dont use the shutdown will of course never see it.

kwag

15th June 2002, 08:54

When you run DVDx, the screen says "This program is a free software"
:D but then you have to pay $12.00 to get it!. Give me a break.
DVDx 2.0 = ( DVDx 1.8 + new Gui + all the 1.X bugs included + more )
I've been trying DVDx since it's incarnation. Every release gets worse.

sillKotscha

15th June 2002, 17:01

... here it comes!!

http://194.64.0.2/downloads/56903/DVDx_2_0.zip?1024153250-1024156850-A-2aecec153c8d2473fdb16c268fc7d8e7

regards Sill

sillKotscha

15th June 2002, 17:05

I was a bit silly ;)

didn't thougt about having a look @:

http://www.doom9.org/software2.htm

cheers Sill

Doom9

17th June 2002, 17:14

just to let you know.. I received an email from jim @ labdv.com asking me to remove DVDx2.0 and only putting it back online on July 15th. I was not given any reason but I suspect that was to create an exclusive window for paying members of labdv.com (read jim's comment in the labdv forum: http://www.labdv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=3077&forum=16&5).

Well.. I don't intent to go to war with other websites so grab DVDx while you still can.. once I make the next update it will be removed.

Considering that my servers provided almost 19'000 DVDx downloads last month, without charging a single cent for it (or the rest of the traffic which amounts to about 700GB a month these days) I'm having quite a hard time understanding that call and I will have to rethink my DVDx endorsement. Is it not the goal of open source software to be freely spread?

Just in case, unless labdv has other sites taking down links here's a download alternative once I remove DVDx:
http://www.chip.de/downloads_updates/download_starten_8610369.html?t=1024326339&v=3600
(page is german but I don't think you'll have any problems finding the download links).

mpucoder

17th June 2002, 17:43

I downloaded the package and found only an install executable, no seperate license. Since I'm working right now I can't install this package to view its license. I was wondering what the license says about distribution. If it reads like a GPL, then you have the right to distribute explicitly granted in the license.

Doom9

17th June 2002, 18:00

taken from license.txt in the source package: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.
But it's not really the point, is it? Merely asking for removal is, well,... (put your own statement here).

mpucoder

17th June 2002, 18:05

Yes, asking to remove it is problematic, since it can be freely distributed. Seems to be a contradiction. The true spirit of the GPL is to rapidly and freely distribute software, recovering only reasonable costs. So, while $12 may or may not be reasonable cost, it still should not grant LabDV exclusive rights.

It also seems to me that, if they are overloaded, that allowing other sites to distribute it would help them. So, it would seem, there is an underlying profit motive.

sillKotscha

17th June 2002, 20:07

... here it comes!!

http://194.64.0.2/downloads/56903/D...db16c268fc7d8e7

regards Sill

Just in case, unless labdv has other sites taking down links here's a download alternative once I remove DVDx:
http://www.chip.de/downloads_update...24326339&v=3600
(page is german but I don't think you'll have any problems finding the download links).

where is the difference??

cheers sill

Doom9

17th June 2002, 20:45

less clicks.. and your quote is non functional

sillKotscha

17th June 2002, 21:01

...less clicks but at least u can find DVDx to download

because when someone follows your link, something like this happens!!

< OUPS! Seite nicht gefunden >

Lieber CHIP Online-User,

leider konnte die von Ihnen angeforderte Seite nicht gefunden werden. Entweder existiert die Seite nicht, oder die URL ist nicht korrekt. Aufgrund technischer Umstellungen hat sich die Verzeichnisstruktur von CHIP Online geändert, so dass eventuell die Seite unter der von Ihnen aufgerufenen Adresse nicht mehr erreichbar ist. In diesem Fall versuchen Sie es doch ´mal mit unserer CHIP-Suche:

cheers

sillKotscha

17th June 2002, 21:04

the link within my quote (your post) won't function at all

sorry

:(

but that you already said

ts,ts,ts sillkotscha... keep your eyes open

Ookami

18th June 2002, 00:29

Quote from Jim, when I asked him why he doesn't go for free hosting like you (Doom9).

> labDV was 1,000,000 visitors, 5,000,000 rich pages and 3 TeraBytes monthly!

and

> 20,000 downloads daily

Er, DVDx has (!) to be removed?

Is that so? I mean, this is not right and I would not listen to such demands...

It's GPL! Even if Jean Luc writes you, he has no right to ask such a thing from you. It's released under the GPL license and you have the right to do everything from that license (change the sourcecode etc.).

And last thing, Kwag, I've tested every version since 0.9x and I certainly cannot agree with you! Especially when I was a very active DVDx beta tester (back when I hosted the prog), he removed every bug that I found in no time and added everything other user asked for (the stuff I've forwarded from the Ultimateboard guys).

DVDx is not perfect, but it't certainly not getting worse with every release. Altough I just hate the new GUI.

Oh man, I just wanted to check my mails and I've posted, again :) .

All the best and take care,

Ookie.

MaXiMuS

18th June 2002, 01:16

Originally posted by mpucoder
Yes, asking to remove it is problematic, since it can be freely distributed. Seems to be a contradiction. The true spirit of the GPL is to rapidly and freely distribute software, recovering only reasonable costs. So, while $12 may or may not be reasonable cost, it still should not grant LabDV exclusive rights.

It also seems to me that, if they are overloaded, that allowing other sites to distribute it would help them. So, it would seem, there is an underlying profit motive.

:devil: profit motive :devil:

DVDx v2.0 is SHAREWARE NOW $12

DOOM9 was FREE mirror than he got mail to remove their soft...

the only reason of this letter is PROFIT ....

AsPiRiN

18th June 2002, 04:02

You can still find it here too:

www.tvfreak.cz
and
dvd.box.sk

dragongodz

18th June 2002, 07:20

well i dont know how wise it is to give my 2 cents worth but i will at the risk of being abused etc.
let me just start by saying that neither Jean Luc (as far is i am aware) or myself get an money from Labdv. so you can count any profit reasons out for us.
with the amount of traffic Labdv got/get i can understand them charging to access the whole website and as such wanting subscribers to get new software before non-subscribers. would i rather see it all free ? of course. do i have any say in it ? nope. i do not have anything to do with Labdv. i help program DVDx and i write the DVDx faq (which yes is hosted on Labdv, simply because thats DVDx's homepage). so dont abuse me for any of the goings on. remember it was me that anounced DVDx 2 was out and asked Jean Luc to email you with a link to download it from (which he did).
so all i ask is please dont denegrade DVDx, Jean Luc or myself for decisions that arent ours.

Bellis

18th June 2002, 09:10

Originally posted by dragongodz
well i dont know how wise it is to give my 2 cents worth but i will at the risk of being abused etc.
let me just start by saying that neither Jean Luc (as far is i am aware) or myself get an money from Labdv. so you can count any profit reasons out for us.
with the amount of traffic Labdv got/get i can understand them charging to access the whole website and as such wanting subscribers to get new software before non-subscribers. would i rather see it all free ? of course. do i have any say in it ? nope. i do not have anything to do with Labdv. i help program DVDx and i write the DVDx faq (which yes is hosted on Labdv, simply because thats DVDx's homepage). so dont abuse me for any of the goings on. remember it was me that anounced DVDx 2 was out and asked Jean Luc to email you with a link to download it from (which he did).
so all i ask is please dont denegrade DVDx, Jean Luc or myself for decisions that arent ours.

If this is the case, then you should get another host to distribute DvdX on. ex: Doom9 . Since its more clearly that the owner of LabDv is trying to make a profit on your hard work... And at the same time is limiting us the users to get our hands on it in an effort to force us to pay him 12$ just so that we can download your program that Jean Luc once upon a time decided should be free for all mankind ..

( sorry for my bad English and gramma )

// Bellis

// Bellis

mrbass

18th June 2002, 10:46

hammer away 4.65MB
http://www.membo.org/DVDx_2_0.zip

totally false..this is not shareware it's GPL ..totally legal to distribute....do I smell another vidomi fiasco?

from the readme_1st.txt with dvdx2.0

"Copying:
=======

This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify
it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or
(at your option) any later version.
"

and also
"Thanks to:
=========

maven for vStrip
Chia-chen Kuo for DVD2AVI
Brent Beyeler for bbMpeg
Nautilus for auth.dll
Avery Lee for Virtual Dub
DivXNetworks for the DivX codec
Alberto Vigata for Flask
Xis for Xmpeg
mssg for all the MPEG stuff
All the Lame team
"

nickthegreek

18th June 2002, 12:57

Hello there , I am using DVDx for a really long time ,and i was waiting for that new version,v2.0.I was really upset when i visited labdv.com and saw that DVDx 2.0 was out but there was no link to download it without having to pay for it...Thanks doom9 i got a copy from here ...
This is not freeware policy , if you trying to tell us that DVDx is going to be shareware ,this is not the right way...
Adios

Doom9

18th June 2002, 13:12

@dragongodz: DVDx is GPL.. so it could be turned into a sourceforge project which would allow you to have a free homepage and no traffic limits.

int 21h

18th June 2002, 13:42

I suggest you all read here:

http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney

They are well within their rights to charge money to access the software. The good news is, all of you can divide the charge among yourselves for one account, download the software, and redistribute it freely (that also abides by the license)

Please, read up on these things before throwing around accusations.

Later.

Doom9

18th June 2002, 13:55

http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic

since I got such a copy (from JeanLuc himself) I have a really hard time understanding why anybody should think I should not offer DVDx for download..

int 21h

18th June 2002, 14:07

From the GPL FAQ
Q. If I distribute GPL'd software for a fee, am I required to also make it available to the public without a charge?

A. No. However, if someone pays your fee and gets a copy, the GPL gives them the freedom to release it to the public, with or without a fee. For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public.

Put it back up. He can request that you remove the software, but no one can require that you remove the software. Taking it down is more of a disservice than anything (especially to the original authors of the GPL code in question).

nek

18th June 2002, 14:29

yeah, labdv.com is just another pseudo-startup trying to make profit with free software or ressources that can be found elsewhere... and your VIP personal info will probably be sold to "email-marketing companies" (aka spammers) to make even more profit

you MUST NOT remove the link

let them sell freeware, and let them crash and burn.

also, read the conditions :

5. Item: cancellation of the subscription

labDV reserves the right to cancel the access of a subscriber to the labDV site on legitimate grounds without notice.

Such grounds include but are not limited to:
- breach of any of the clauses of this contract
- abusive or inappropriate remarks on the discussion forum
- behavior that may be offensive or causing embarrassment for other labDV users
- apparent attempt to distribute software on the site
- unauthorized commercial activity on the labDV site

funny :)

int 21h

18th June 2002, 14:33

Those terms conflict with the GPL.

Mrafrohead

18th June 2002, 18:28

This is some awful sad stuff...

To those of you that posted the links to snag it at sites that hadn't been asked to remove it, THANK YOU!!!

I figure since there's such a stink about this software, I'll have to give it a whirl and see how it works;)

I agree with the Shareware comment though... Charging for freeware... That's about as scandilous as charging people for DivX movies...

Anywho - Thanks again;)

Mrafrohead

Doom9

18th June 2002, 20:40

well.. int21h has established that you can charge to dl gpl software.. but on the other hand it's not a very nice measure if there's sites like sourceforge where dvdx could be hosted for free. And from a license point of view there's nothing wrong with publishing a regularly obtained DVDx copy.. but that wasn't my point. The whole "charge for access, then stop redistribution outside the paysite" is very wrong imho.

mpucoder

18th June 2002, 22:11

Well, certainly you can charge for access to a site, or reasonable distribution fees. But that doesn't change the rights of others to freely redistribute.
There is another issue, though, the distribution is bundled with the "VideoServerPackage". If you look at it, its license reads "It is not allowed to host or distribute this program without the written permission of the author."

If I had the bandwidth (and I don't thanks to IfoEdit) I'd unbundle it and make DVDx_20_setup.exe available for download.

Doom9

18th June 2002, 22:19

I on the other hand do have permission to distribute the video server ;)

int 21h

19th June 2002, 03:27

They can't stop distribution outside of the paysite, that conflicts with the GPL.

Highwind7777

19th June 2002, 06:12

i don't know what DVDx is (i don't do vcd/svcd) but i noticed (from mrbass's post) that he has some "thank you"s to other OPEN SOURCE software. is this software used in DVDx? if it is, to my knowledge, it is illegal to charge for DVDx.

danielbendorf

19th June 2002, 07:11

The thing is: LabDV is not selling DVDx, they are selling access to a site that hosts it. Personally, I decided to spend that whole twelve dollars for the three months of access. I did not get access for a day or so, so I complained and got six months for the price of three! Yay, I still got charged the same twelve dollars, but they "extended" my VIP pass for another three months. I am more than willing to try to hook everyone and anyone with a copy of this software (even though, it sucks!) and I have been breaking the "apparent attempt to distribute software on the site" rule on their own labdv.com forum and trying to post download links. They haven't said anything yet. (whoever it is that runs the forum or the labdv.com site)

Sure, they can ask Doom9 to take down the link, but that's just like asking me to stop playing with a squirtgun in my own yard just because my neighbor gave me the squirtgun, which is indeed a magical squirtgun that can replicate and I can give to as many people as I want who can do the same thing. Supersoakers rule. My neighbor used to have the "ZX2000" and it had this backpack filled with wather and the stream of water had mad power and girth and it really hurt and soaked you to hell when you got shot. It was hard as hell to pump as well, but I was like nine years old. So who knows.

BlackSun

19th June 2002, 08:23

If only there was more donations to free software authors...

Stabmaster-Arson

19th June 2002, 09:35

1) DVDx is not freeware nor shareware it is covered by GNU gpl, whole different animal. If it was freeware they could bind the terms however they wish.

2) They can charge whatever they want for the access to it. This is allowed by the GPL.

3) To even think to of asking doom9, or anyone else, not to post it is......... absolutely absurd.

4)Doom9 isnt taking it down becuase of any reason other than to avoid an argument, not because he has any legal reason to.

5) If they dont like it, stop serving dvdx and have some non gpl'd software available for download

6) Re: profit motive, there is nothing wrong with making profit off GPL software. Profit is fine. Tivo uses Linux as an OS for one.....

To request people not host the file absolutely blows my mind; I implore doom9, do not remove the file, it need not be a battle, it would just be a man standing up for what is right. I cannot believe they would attempt to even think about doing it. Have these people read the license??

darkvader

24th June 2002, 07:21

Originally posted by Doom9
@dragongodz: DVDx is GPL.. so it could be turned into a sourceforge project which would allow you to have a free homepage and no traffic limits.

I mentioned that, EXACTLY, way back in January.

Quoting myself back then in the following thread:
@Taipei King
What do you think if we move the sources of DVDx over to sourceforge.net and start a project there?.
We could start the CVS repository there and open up doors for hundreds of developers to commit fixes.
We could call it MovieMorpher, MoVCD or something like that.
What do you think?.
DV

Here's the thread http://www.labdv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=1935&forum=16

Have a laugh. Go read it, and watch that dragonBall replies :D
That's the only way we could make DVDx work (Correctly).
And I hope some open source project does take over the source. As it is now, it's going nowhere.

DV

Doom9

24th June 2002, 10:24

I put DVDx back. I wrote an email to jim asking for his motivation, got an answer that didn't really satisfy me (I think on Thursday) so I asked back but haven't gotten any answer yet.

@stabmaster: your point5 isn't really accurate.. I removed it to start a discussion about the future of DVDx.. for me having pay access to the latest version AND trying to have the program available ONLY at the pay location is just wrong.

dragongodz

25th June 2002, 06:37

just a few comments.

i personally did not (and do not) see why Doom9 having DVDx for download would be a problem (why would i have asked Jean Luc to send it otherwise ?). i am sure Jean Luc didnt either (since he did send it). Doom9 has supported DVDx in the past and i hope continues to in the future. from everything said on this thread Doom9 has every right to distribute it so thats all i can say about that.

can 1 of the moderaters pull darkvader in to gear ? all he ever did on the Labdv forum was insult (me mostly)and put down DVDx. he constantly said c++ was easy for him yet that 1 thread he posted is the only contribution he ever tried to make. i dont consider critisising me for suggesting to try different settings etc (if they have a problem) constructive in any way. yes i am mad in that thread but if you had constantly been insulted (as he is the first to do in that thread) wouldnt you be ?

as for the soureforge idea, thats up to Jean Luc not me. his reason at the time was that since the source code is available to then people can submit fixs etc to him (for testing before being added)and that open it up on sorceforge would not really improve on it. if anyone however thinks that just taking the DVDx source and renaming it is a good idea then i would have to question what sort of morals (if any) you have. yes under the GPL you can take the source and modify it all you want and release that etc but you are also meant to say that its a modified version and give credit where credit is due. yes most of the source is from other places but to suggest that anyone could have just banged it together is dreaming. DVDx has taken a lot of work which some (who have released nothing) dont want to admit (in fact the opposite).

so darkvader just remember that no one liked your constant insults and put downs on the Labdv forum and please dont start doing it here.

Jim@labDV.com

26th June 2002, 15:59

Hello all,

I join the forum so I can explain labDV perspective.

First, DVDx is freeware, it is distributed under the GPL License, and it will be freeware forever.

DVDx is extremely popular and requires so much web resources that we decided, early this year, to make labDV VIP membership.

At this time labDV access was free, I tried to set up a mirroring process with about 20 sites but it took 1 to 3 weeks to update the mirrors.

Now labDV isn't free, most of these mirror sites are updated in 1 day!!!

In my mind, DVDx release should be only for labDV VIP for 1 month, that's why I asked Doom9 to remove it until 15/07.

Last week, Jean-Luc asked me to open the DVDx distribution so he can get more patches and feedback in labDV offical forum (VIP access). I agree.

Nevertheless, every site must follow on the GPL License, this means that every mirror MUST offer source code for download.

Last but not least, Jean-Luc won't reply any longer to his Yahoo mailbox, he will support DVDx only on the labDV forum (VIP access).

I think it's fair.

Today we've enough members (1,500) to buy a powerful server which I'm preparing (Apache, PHP, MySQL etc.) and if we can sustain more than 2,000 members, I will be able to open the Sefyguide access and every DVDx pages (maybe not the download page, but the mirrors will be there) for free access.

Yes! Bandwidth isn't free of charge!!!

Hope everyone understand and strive to support us so we can deliver a lot for the DV community. BTW $3 per month - $2.67 for renewal - is not much...and labDV is not just DVDx (our latest publication about Cool3D rocks).

Jim

PS/ Jean-Luc suggested to setup a donation process, but it's a lot of work and new banking charges so I won't do. Anyway, if one really want to donate, he can buy a VIP Pass.

Doom9

26th June 2002, 23:43

I've had some problems with keeping mirrors updated myself.. I had everything updated within 15-20 minutes but it was a manual process.. Now we have it all automatic.. all you need is somebody to set up a cron job that runs say every 24h and that synchs remove and local filesystem and you got your automatically 24h mirror.. no 3 weeks anymore. If you can get ftp access on the mirror you can even do the synch yourself.. lftp has a reverse synch mode which takes care of that (I've used it for months now and it has made my life a lot easier). And needless to say that doom9.org (which is completely free) has always been updated within 24h after I got the latest version (which got a lot harder since you introduced the VIP pass).

and you bringing up the gpl issue reminds me of the time the DVDx source was NOT available for download at labdv.com ;) (but instead you had links to other sites, among those my very own if my memory is not failing me).

as for the donation.. am I the only one thinking that if jean luc had his own donation account he'd be getting all he money whereas with the labdv VIP access he only gets part of it and people wanting to support DVDx but not labdv have no way of doing that?

so it all comes down to this for me (and since you chose not to reply to my mail with the followup questions I have to ask here): You want to use DVDx as a vehicle to get more paying visitors for labdv. Nobody can deny you the right to do so, but you can't blame people for pointing this out either or people just waiting to get a free download link as soon as a new version is out. Clearly the GPL provides for that case where a labdv member gets the software and distributes it otherwise and the passage in the labdv conditions as posted by nek would even be in conflict with the GPL.

int 21h

27th June 2002, 00:23

You cannot dictate the distribution of a GPL program.

27th June 2002, 07:30

Whatever labDV's financial problems are: I fully agree with int 21h. You cannot dictate the distribution of a GPL program.

This "VIP users get it a month earlier" reminds me of Hollywood's moneymaker strategy: first you can watch the movies in cinema, then on DVD, then on pay TV, then on free TV. The more you pay, the earlier you can access.

bb

Latexxx

27th June 2002, 13:44

GPL says that you can charge for distributing program, if distributing costs for you. (Am I the only one here who has actually red the gpl?)

mpucoder

27th June 2002, 14:12

No, we are all aware of that provision. What is troubling everyone is the request for exclusive distribution rights for a period of time (to increase VIP membership). That is no in the GPL.

Latexxx

27th June 2002, 16:16

You may put it downloadable for a small fee and you don't have give it away for free at all! So they just don't give it away for first 30 days.

mpucoder

27th June 2002, 17:28

GPL also says that anyone may redristribute the software under the same terms. Once someone downloads it, he/she may offer it for free or a fee on their own website. Asking for exclusive distribution contradicts that.
Anyway, we're covering old ground here - this is where the thread started (so maybe you should go back and read it all?)

Jim@labDV.com

27th June 2002, 18:58

Regarding these replies following my point, I think I have to clarify some statements:

1. The decision has been taken and labDV won't ask for any exclusive distribution of DVDx

2. Jean-Luc is not getting any money from DVDx

3. labDV has helped a lot and will continue to help DVDx distribution

4. Concerning DVDx, labDV provides to the VIP members:
- very fast FTP server to download every release of DVDx
- the DVDx download reference (no virus etc)
- exclusive support from Jean-Luc, Dragongodz, etc from the official forum
- provide official DVDx website, with homepage and FAQ
5. VIP membership isn't a way to make DVDx a shareware (VIP get a valuable service not just DVDx)

6. labDV has no financial issue

Jim

mpucoder

27th June 2002, 20:36

So, are you saying that asking Doom9 to remove the download was an error in judgement and that, in the future, neither he nor anyone else will be asked to delay distribution?

Jim@labDV.com

27th June 2002, 20:55

Wasn't an error in judgment, it was just to let know my point after being bothered many times every day by websites just willing to take advantage of DVDx without helping its development...

Every day I'm asked to sign to distribute DVDx in boxes for $$$ and also I receive many complaints from people who've bought DVD Backup or DVD Copy or DVD whatever for $39 which just include an old DVDx 1.6 or 1.8...

I'm fed up with all these people taking advantage or making un-deserved money around us and also with website taking advantage of DVDx without talking about labDV or JLP and the team.

In labDV we maintain a list of 100+ software with fast download and everyone of them is linked to its homepage so we don't try to hide anything to people. I'd like anyone behave like this when I'm concerned, otherwise I let know my point :sly:

But you're right: nobody will be asked to delay distribution.

Jim