Angle issues with Kate+Leopold

[Sepen]

Got this early at my local rental store. It has 2 angles. If you strip the default it still plays back and forth out of sequence. If you choose the other angle, same thing. When you strip the angle it still shows up in IFO.

It has 440 files under a meg (total of 521), which 220 of those should be stripped out.

How can I do this without being tedious? If I erase them after using vobedit there is no way to join them because they are no longer in sequence, 001-003-005 etc?

Any hints or ideas?

thanks....

[Sepen]

I have tried evrything imaginable outside of deleting the angles myself and then renaming 400+ files, which isn't worth it.

Anyone who can point me in the right direction?

[klona]

And what about using the "remove Seamless branch" in VOb extra of IfoEdit 0.91.
You then choose the Title you want to keep.

That do not works ?

[gump_boy]

I had the same problem with this movie.

I managed to fix it by ripping just angle 1 with smartripper. Then used
CCE and scenarist to rebuild the movie.

I usually rip dvd in file mode with smartripper and process with ifoedit, but this movie was just too tricky.

[Sepen]

gump_boy,

Worked like a charm, thank you sir!

[BeechNut]

Having the same problem with Kate+Leopold. Was wondering if those who where sucessful at ripping this (darn movie) would drop me a small guide on how to do it also. Please help I have no hair left! :(

[rpa]

Got no problem with this movie. Here's what I did.

1. Rip movie using smartripper. Select Program Chain 1 Angle 1.
2. In Ifoedit, strip VOB extras. Make sure you check strip angles and keep angle 1. Also, check create new ifos. Strip streams as usual.
3. While processing, ifoedit will prompt you that it cannot find Video_ts.ifo. Just click ok. It will create it for you.
4. When done. Get VTS.

That's it. BTW, this is movie only. Was not able to keep menus.

[BeechNut]

Thanks for the post rpa i'll try that this afternoon

[benf2]

question 1....did u get it all to fit on one disk?

question 2.....did u have any problem wih audio becoming out of sync as the movie gets closer to the end(last 1/3 of movie).

[gump_boy]

I think I had to re-encode this movie. And yes the audio is out of sync. I'm still debating on redoing this movie, but i don't think its worth it.

[rpa]

forgot to tell u this but u need to rempeg the movie to reduce size after the above process and remux it back using ifoedit. You shouldn't have any problem either.

[benf2]

used smartripper to rip stream 1 angle 1

used vobsplit to cut credits from last vob

used ifoedit to create new ifo

burned

played and everybody was happy:)

[THCM]

HI!

A simple working method for Kate and Leopold RC1:

1. Rip the whole DVD with DVD-Decrypter to the Harddisk
2. Open VTS_01_0.IFO with Ifo-Edit 0.91
3. Take a look at the VTS-Overview. There you have two PGC:
1. cinema cut 2. directors cut
4. Just examine the used VOB-ID's in PGC 1:
ID 5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26 are missing
They will only be used in the director's cut (PGC 2)
5. Open VOB-Extras, Select Remove Angles
Keep Angle 1 if you want english credits or 2 for french
Strip Vob-ID's will be selected automatically
Select Strip Stream's if you want to leave out audio and or subs
All other settings as usual
6. Press OK and select your streams and press Strip it
7. At the Stream list there are 2 ID's missing 2 and 30 (the not used
credits)
Now deselect ID 5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26 (They will only be used
by PGC 2)
8. Let's Go! After a short time you'll have a working version of
Kate and Leopold. If you want to have the director's cut you
have to leave out the chapters not used in PGC 2!

The only drawback is, that you'll have to reencode the video to either
version onto one DVD.

Yours THCM!

[tjh011]

Thanks THCM! I thought I was out of luck because I only ripped the whole movie to my hard drive and then took it back. So I couldnt retry anything else.

For those of you that were having problems with the audio sync, I think the problem is in the original. I rented the movie and noticed that the audio was a little off towards the end, so I dont know if there is anything you can do about it or not.

[benf2]

I too ripped the whole movie(but after having the audio sync probs)

I then used smartripper again to rip stream 1 angle 1 from the files i already ripped to my hard drive.

used vobsplit to cut credits from last vob

used ifoedit to create new ifo

burned

workd great and no sync probs anywhere

[Crzylgs15]

Benf2:

I am unfamiliar with VOBSplit. Can you tell me how you cut the credits out with VOBSplit? Does that make it fit on one DVD without re-encoding it?

Thanks.

[benf2]

get vob split from download page...open the last vob with something that will play vob files....like power dvd. You are doing this so u can estimate how much u need to trim. OK, load the vob into vob split and just slide the little arrow slider over to where u think the credits start.Hit Start. You may have to do this procedure more than once, but it does pretty quick. Make sure u save the file in a different location then the original in case u have a problem. Otherwise u will overwrite it. Once u are satisified with the vob, put it in place of the original. NOw just use ifoedit for the rest.....Now ur done.

With this movie i was able to get it all on one disk. Is whats nice about the tool is u can also trim from the beginning of a movie as well.

ps It would be nice if one of the programmers out there would add a preview window to this tool:)

[Josh]

"OK, load the vob into vob split and just slide the little arrow slider over to where u think the credits start.Hit Start. "


Can't you just use smart ripper and take off the last 2 chapters when you rip it to take off the credits?
Also, why does the movie always come up as 2:11:11 in the movie length under the conversion tab, when the movie itself is around 1:58:00?

[Josh]

Isn't there any easy way to fix the audio sync problems with Kate & Leopold?? I've read and tried several of the ideas posted but I personally haven't had any success fixing them. I would hope that an easy program come out soon, I'm sure a lot more movies will be coming out soon like that to prevent copying them.

[Bruce Leroy]

Josh, I agree with you. I tried the method mentioned by THCM and it
goes out of sync when you re-encode... strange.

[Josh]

Yeah, I still haven't found a solution yet.

[THCM]

Hi! I had only problems with the subtitles going out of sync. The sound correct till the end.

[ByronE]

I got it to work by doing the previous mentioned method...using ifoedit95, i removed program change 1 (i was doing the director's cut), and this automatically deselected the unuse ID's, and then manually unselected ID's for the french credits (2 and 30), and then continued on useing a loose version of the ROB-shot method with Scenarist for authoring...this last step DID NOT work, no matter how many times I changed things around a bit, it would still lose sync near the end, so I then created (from the already ifoedited VOB's i mentioned) a seperate d2v file for each of the 5 VOB's individually, re-encoded via CCE and did a multi-pgc/single title movie in scenarist, and all worked fine then.

[Josh]

Something incredible happened!!! The option for seamless branching ungreyed for me for Kate & Leopold, and all I had to do was choose title 2 there and click remove lluv/angle points instead of adjust them, and it did the whole move, director's cut, in 4.07GB!!!

I ripped all the files with DVD Decrytpor, in the settings I chose angle 1. Then in ifoedit, it has never done this before with Kate & Leopold, it gave me the option for seamless branching!! Maybe selecting angle 1 in DVD Decryptor made it work in ifoedit now... I don't know why. But I chose Keep Title: PGC 2 for the longer director's cut version. And it came to 4.07GB when done to fit on one disc.

The only reason I can think of why it ungreyed was because I chose angle 1 in DVD Decryptor's settings when I burned the movie to the hard drive.

And, maybe the secret to get the Seamless Branching to work in dvds is to select angle 1 in DVD Decryptor when copying the files to the hard drive. I have read other posts where poeple wanted to use that option but it was greyed out for some reason. I don't know why all of a sudden it ungreyed except for the angle 1 thing.
I hope that helps, if it works for any of you others let me know. I'll keep on testing the angle 1 in DVD Decryptor to see if that fixes the seamless branching.

[2COOL]

There used to be a guide in Doom9 specifically on getting rid of multi-angles like Kat and Leopold. It disappeared when they revamped the guide section. Anyway, all I remembered to the best of my knowledge, when IFOedit 0.95 came out, people were griping that 0.95's angle option was greyed out. You had to use v0.91 as it wasn't greyed out and working then. It seems only the old school people or people who hung around daily when 0.95 came out, knew about this.

Have any of you read this thread I found?

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38029&highlight=kate+and+leopold

[Josh]

Yes, that's another way to do it. But ripping angle 1 with dvd decryptor I didn't need that for ifoedit. All I needed was seamless branching. I'll check out ifoedit .91 too though, thanks.

[Josh]

Well, it didn't work. I just started the movie and it appeared fine at first, but then skipped to a later part in the movie so it may have left a chapter out or something. I didn't touch the VOBID's when I did the seamless branching, I left it withthe ones ifoedit selected for title 2. I'll post a reply if I get it figured out.

[Josh]

Anybody try this?
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29918&highlight=llvu
That what I did but with DVD Decryptor. Maybe if I had tried it with Smart Ripper it would have worked?

2COOL, I will also try that methos in .91 in the thread you posted above in my next movie too. It's worth a shot. Seems two people have been able to do it now, just not using DVD Decryptor to remove the angle 2 like I did. That may be my problem. Perhaps ifoedit .91 or smart ripper is the answer.

[Josh]

Ok, I found the solution to Kate & Leopold :D . It has to be split to 2 discs, but at least you get both versions doing it, and nothing is missing.I posted it here:
Update, movie still had some pauses and errors. See below for a different possible soultion.

[Josh]

Ok, got it to work, FINALLY! I did basically the same thing that I did with Jurrasic Park.
Strip the movie, removing seamless branching and choose the vesion you want (when you choose seamless branching it checks the remove angle box. Leave it checked. Make sure it's on 1GB.
Once that's done, I stripped it again, removing vobid 2 and 30. If you leave those in it makes it skip. 1,2 and 29, 30 are the same movie, but French Titles (not subtitles, the title and credits) or English titles.
Now split with ifoedit, remove 1 end sector on disc 1 and burn with Nero.

[old-hack]

Back when this movie came out, I tried for about a week to figure it out but got fed up and quit. Just for S&G's I'm trying again. I've looked at all the comments for ripping and stripping this DVD but didn't see a final clear cut and successful method for doing it. Didn't really see any confirmation of Josh's method from anyone else either. Tried DVD-Decrytor 3.1.6.0 and SmartRipper 2.41.

What I've tried is ripping all VTS_01 files first. Then I tried to get IFOEdit to deal with the angle and seamless branching strips. IFOEdit .095 does not see multiple angles (option grayed out) after the rip even though VTS_01.IFO shows angle 1 and angle 2 beside several VOBIDs, so I just worked the seamless branching part. Kept PGC 2 director's cut. When that was done, IFOEdit .095 no longer displayed multiple angles in VTS_01.IFO. What I had left had renumbered the VOBIDs to 1-23 vs 1-31. However, the only PGC remaining in VTS_01.IFO showed a total time of the movie as 2:11:??. Looking at VOBIDs 1 and 2 and 22 and 23, I noticed that 1 & 2 were the same length as well as 22 and 23. So I ran IFOEdit .095 again on VTS_01.IFO stripping VOBIDs 1 and 23. Since each of these IDs were about 4 minutes long each, I expect the movie to end up being 2:02:?? the length the director's cut should be. Unfortunately, I had to go to work this morning so I couldn't finish the project to confirm a clean director's cut rip and strip that maintains audio sync. I will post results later tonight or first thing in the morning GMT-7 for those that are still interested.

[Chowskie]

bweeston,

When I worked on "About Adam", I encountered the Angle issue. Having problem stripping the second angle using IFOEdit 0.95 due to the angle option being grayed out as u mentioned. I did some searches on the Internet, found the solution to that: USE IFOEDIT 0.91 when dealing with angles. It will make your life simpler. The angle option is not greyed out in this version so u can choose which angle u wanna strip.

[Josh]

Sorry bweeston that I didn't give my final reply. The last method worked, but had a few pauses in the movie and I had no idea as to why. I have not tried dvdfab yet though, and that may do the trick since that seems to work better than ifoedit, it probably has newer codes in it or something. Anyway, I'm guessing dvdfab will work. Here is the alternate method that I have been using lately for disney movies that have tricky angles and it has worked great thus far. First, I rip out the movie only with dvdfab, then with ifoedit .91 I rip out the movie again removing the angles. That method has worked for Beauty and the Beast, and Remember the Titans are the 2 I can think of off the top of my head. Let me know if that works. I'll post the link to the alternate angle method too.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=363981

[old-hack]

First, thanks Chowskie for your suggestions. Second, wasn't trying to put any heat on Josh, just was making a comment about his method being tried and confirmed. Third, my final strip ended up showing French language titles at the beginning of the movie even though I had stripped out the vob id that had the French titles. Started over on the ripping process from the VTS files I had left on my computer from using SmartRipper to rip out only PGC 2 and angle 2. Don't know why French pieces show up when previous posts say that angle one has the English titles while angle 2 has the French. Got back to the vob set that was 2:11:?? long and played back the vob id's that were the same length trying to figure out which ones to strip for the English titles only version of the director's cut. Unfortunately, I got started late on this last night and didn't finish. I hope to finish up with some positive results tonight. Thanks again for your inputs.

[old-hack]

Flip that. I meant English in angle 2 and French in angle 1.

[Josh]

Yeah, my first attempt it threw me off too and I got French lol. If you get a chance try that alternate method I mentioned, I'm curious to see if that will work.

[old-hack]

Discovered something really helpful for this movie in DVDShrink. If you open the K & L image in DVDShrink and chose the "reauthor" mode, it breaks all of the titles out by angle and branching allowing you to pick the title and angle you want to reauthor. You can preview each title it has broken out to find the one that plays the English titles. Then just drag that title to the top left panel, remove any audio or subtitle streams you don't want or need from the panel on the right, and select the compression that gives you a DVD size that will fit on a single DVD+R. Run "backup" and in about 30 minutes you have a burnable set of audio and video folders without the hassles of using IFOEdit to do angle or seamless branch fixes.

[old-hack]

You can also use DVDShrink to strip out or compress to "stills" parts of a movie you don't want and still have the menu system in tact. In a lot of instances, you can keep the movie uncompressed (no resampling) and just compress extras or menus and only need one DVD+R. It doesn't let you delete the extras, but I found that if I'm off a couple hundred megs I can use IFOEdit to stip all but one of the VOBIDs of an extras' vob (keep one that is 00.00.15 in size) and eliminate that unwanted menu or movie vob ID and keep the rest of the menu system and movie without resampling.

Another example was Lizzie McGuire. It had the full and widescreen versions on the DVD. Using DVDShrink, I found which title set was the widescreen version, deselected all the audio tracks for the full screen version, shrunk to stills the full screen version, and backed it up with all of the extras, menus, and widescreen version at its original bitrate.

I was also able to use this process to keep the widescreen version of Sleeping Beauty, menus, and extras from Disc 1 without any resampling. Check it out.

[old-hack]

One last thought. DVDShrink doesn't force you to strip your movie down to the size required for writing to a single DVD+R. You can just rip out the movie to another folder on your hard drive and use another program (i.e. CCE) to resample if you want better resampling quality.

I know these last comments probably belong in another thread, but DVDShrink helped me with K & L so I put them here. If someone wants to put my previous comments about DVDShrink somewhere else go for it.

[salsbst]

Is this the missing multi-angle guide: http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/ifoedit-multiangle.htm ?

It does say this: "Step 4: Transcode the video stream. There are two options here: ReMPEG2 or TMPG. The former is known to cause less playback problems but also returns a lower quality stream than using the latter. If you don't follow any of the two ways and use another MPEG-2 stream you will have synch problems in the end."

Taken literally, it would seem to suggest that CCE isn't going to get the job done (presumably due to some error in the IFOs that ReMPEG2 and TMPG can overcome through ignorance?).