DVD ripping speed

[meta]

Hi,

How to i max the speed of my rips - which ripping progie is fastest and what setup do i need?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

DVD Decrypter is the fastest. Doom9's tests confirm that.
All you need is a quick DVD drive ***WITH*** UDMA enabled.
If whilst decrypting you cpu is at 100%, it is slowing the process down. Mine (Pentium 3 933Mhz) reaches about 30% load when ripping at 8x (approx 10-11meg/s)

[chadp1a]

Speed problems here also with the pioneer dvr-104. I only ripp at 1.9 and 2.0 with this drive. The drive is on secondary master running in windows xp. UDMA is enabled in bios and also in the device manager.

Anyone else have this drive and if so what speeds do you ripp at?

Thanks

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Ive heard updating the bios can have a positive effect on some drives...perhaps you could try that?
Do you have the latest motherboard / ide controller drivers installed?

[chadp1a]

Yep! I have the lastest bios drivers for my epox 8kha+

They included the option for setting cdrom to UDMA.

I was like.. OK! but after a reboot and even after unistalling the secondary controller in xp and rebooting I'm still running a 2.0 ripp speed.

Thanks

[nitro]

Originally posted by chadp1a
Speed problems here also with the pioneer dvr-104. I only ripp at 1.9 and 2.0 with this drive. The drive is on secondary master running in windows xp. UDMA is enabled in bios and also in the device manager.

Anyone else have this drive and if so what speeds do you ripp at?

Thanks

I have a Pioneer-103. With UDMA enabled I get 1.9x, switch udma *off* and it goes up to 4.9-5.7 x. Go figure. Oh yes, always use SmartRipper, it does stream processing to a .lst automatically. Unless of course it's been added to dvddecrypter recently?

system is athlon 1.4, xp pro, 512meg

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Originally posted by nitro


I have a Pioneer-103. With UDMA enabled I get 1.9x, switch udma *off* and it goes up to 4.9-5.7 x. Go figure. Oh yes, always use SmartRipper, it does stream processing to a .lst automatically. Unless of course it's been added to dvddecrypter recently?

Yes, it has been added recently. v3.1.0.0 does stream processing in IFO mode and creates a stream info file when it finishes.

[nitro]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!


Yes, it has been added recently. v3.1.0.0 does stream processing in IFO mode and creates a stream info file when it finishes.

Right, I'll go back and retry it out then. Thanks for the info.

[nitro]

Originally posted by nitro


Right, I'll go back and retry it out then. Thanks for the info.

I did go and download it and give it a try. Sorry, it still requires an aspi manager, which with the default install of xp pro you don't get. Yes I know I could go and get one and download it, but why should I bother smartripper 2.41 doesn't require one, and it's ripping right now at 4.3x (6 meg/s) quite fast enough for me.

Thanks anyway.

[chadp1a]

Nitro,

Did you disable udma in bios or did you just set mode to pio under the properties for the secondary ide?


Thanks

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I fail to see how smartripper can be working correctly. ALL rippers require ASPI so that they can perform their own Authentication of the disc. Without authentication, NO program can read the disc.
Playing it first via a software player is cheating! :p

[nitro]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!
I fail to see how smartripper can be working correctly. ALL rippers require ASPI so that they can perform their own Authentication of the disc. Without authentication, NO program can read the disc.
Playing it first via a software player is cheating! :p

You had me wondering there, so I just went back and checked.

No s/w player playback

SmartRipper - aspi fails, uses winio reads up to first encrypted vob
DVDDecrypter - simply says no drive available


Play back in s/w player first

SmartRipper - aspi fails, winio reads and authenticates all files
DVDDecrypter - *still* insists that no drive is available.

So there we have it. SmartRipper does not need aspi to rip, DVDDecrypter without aspi can't even see the drive. Unless there is some combo of switches that I couldn't see....

[LIGHTNING UK!]

oh dear. You seem to have missed the point.
DVD Decrypter is totally ASPI based, so without it, its like not having a dvdrom drive - pretty damn useless!

Having to authenticate with a sw player first is a pain and for the sake of copying 1 file into the system32 folder...is it really worth the effort! remember you only need to copy the file once, but you need to run the sw player for EVERY dvd you try and rip.

Think about it huh ;)

BTW, you dont authenticate files! smartripper only does that check bacause it doesnt trust itself! LOL :D
It is a completely pointless exercise.

[nitro]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!
oh dear. You seem to have missed the point.

Wouldn't be the first time ;-)

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DVD Decrypter is totally ASPI based, so without it, its like not having a dvdrom drive - pretty damn useless!

Having to authenticate with a sw player first is a pain and for the sake of copying 1 file into the system32 folder...is it really worth the effort! remember you only need to copy the file once, but you need to run the sw player for EVERY dvd you try and rip.

Think about it huh ;)

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Ok, ok, i'll go get the aspi and give it a try...

[i]
BTW, you dont authenticate files! smartripper only does that check bacause it doesnt trust itself! LOL :D
It is a completely pointless exercise.
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My point is still valid though that SmartRipper doesn't need aspi to do the ripping.

[nitro]

Right, downloaded and installed forceaspi.

Ripped Frampton Live in Detroit

DVDDecrypter - 13m 43s
SmartRiper - 13m 38s

Neither here nor there. SM though, although it says that aspi is available stll prefers to use winio to read the dvd.

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Yeah, winio is, suprisingly enought, buffered by windows. That is why SR uses it. The aspi implementation it uses is a fair bit slower than the winio one. The thing is, it therefore totally relies upon the OS for its file handling. ASPI it totally seperate. It allows you to read raw sectors, instead of bytes of a file.
Both implementations have their advantages / disadvantages.
I just decided to choose the ASPI path. That way I have total control over what happens, and how.

Anyway, if nothing else has come of this thread...at least you dont have to use your sw player to authenticate any more :)

[nitro]

Originally posted by LIGHTNING UK!
Yeah, winio is, suprisingly enought, buffered by windows. That is why SR uses it. The aspi implementation it uses is a fair bit slower than the winio one. The thing is, it therefore totally relies upon the OS for its file handling. ASPI it totally seperate. It allows you to read raw sectors, instead of bytes of a file.
Both implementations have their advantages / disadvantages.
I just decided to choose the ASPI path. That way I have total control over what happens, and how.

Anyway, if nothing else has come of this thread...at least you dont have to use your sw player to authenticate any more :)

Given that most(?) of us are using a win os of some flavour, depending on the os to read the disc is too much of a drawback ;-) Seriously though, what are the other differences in the two approaches that we might notice/cause us some grief?

If I understood it correctly, you're saying that DVDDecrypt just reads the raw data from the disc, doesn't care about 'authenticating' etc. So would that mean that in an rpc locked drive (mine isn't btw) you could read a disc from the "wrong" region?

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Authentication is always required. Its a hardware/firmware thing. You need to authenticate to get the drive to do anything with protected sectors - which all of the ones the VOB files fill are.
RPC is a different story. The hardware stops you from obtaining the correct decryption key via the normal 'approved' method if the inserted disc is not from the correct region. Brute Force CSS cracking is the only method around this. No software can just 'overcome' this hardware lock. Only a firmware patch :)
But in answer to your question, yes, dvd decrypter can rip discs from regions other than the one the drive is fixed to.