DVD2SVCD final bin/cue images

[vkuevda]

I am looking for some clues on what's happening in my case
as I did not find answers neither here nor in USENET yet
(hope I was quite accurate).

The setup:
1. I am using ECDC-5.02, nero-5.5.5.3 and CDRWIN-3.8g (all
together at the same time, but do NOT have problems with this)
and Que x20 recorder under "Win2000, build 2195, SP2" +
Creative media Detector 1.55 (tried to disable with no affect
on the problem).
2. I am using several different CD-R and CD-RW blanks -
Imation, TDK and Memorex. Recording speed is surely matches
limits stated on blanks.
3. I test all recording software on Data CD and - no problems,
recorded CDs are readable with no issues. The same goes to
audio CDs.
4. I run latest DVD2SVCD + CCE-2.5 in AVI/SVCD mode (which in
this case doesn't matter, I believe) and produce final
bin/cue images (both default VCDXBuild & VCDImager were tried).
5. I mount image with DaemonTools-3.10, open it with WinISO-5.3
and can see correct directory tree. Also I can run PowerDVD-4.0
against mounted image.
6. Trying to write either image (by CDRWIN-3.8g or cdrdao) or
CDcopy from mounted image (using any software) doesn't fail and
sais that disk is successfully written.

THE PROBLEM:
This recorded CD is not readable - win2k FileManager hangs. I guess
it should be some kind of problem with images ... or what?! Has
anyone seen it or does anyone have any ideas?

One more question on a side. MPG files produced by CCE-2.5 and bb
somehow sometimes (not always) are not readable by MicroDVD and
MediaPlayer, but readable by PowerDVD. Should it be this way?

Thank you.

[ulfschack]

You don't explain whether or not you can play your burnt SVDC in Power DVD. If you can then all is in order. (exept from your explorer hanging ... prolly some f***ed up autostart or conflicting DS filter or CODEC) Try it on an other computer, but most important try it on a stand alone, after all that's what SVDCs are for ... Mpeg4 kicks butt on PC.

cheers

[htc10825]

sometimes the authoring program produce a invalid cue/bin.
check out the cue file if all the tracks in raw/2352 or raw/2336. the explorer hands when you have mixed track formats.

[vkuevda]

> You don't explain whether or not you can play your
> burnt SVDC in Power DVD.

Sorry, if I wasn't clear - NO, PowerDVD doesn't play. CD is
stuck on the stage of recognition by Explorer.

> (exept from your explorer hanging ... prolly some
> f***ed up autostart or conflicting DS filter or CODEC)

I tried to disable my autodetedtor - it doesn't help. But
in general my PC setup is pretty good (believe me, I am
working in tech support and I guess know what to do). VCD
and SVCD, authored "by hands" with SmartRipper, Xmpeg,
VirtualDub and finally Nero to create disk itself, are
great and played in PowerDVD with no problem.

> most important try it on a stand alone

The whole idea of my exercises is to come with some good
solution for archiving of movies. When I fully succeed with
creation of VCDs and SVCD, I'll take several samples and go
to buy standalone DVD player.

> Mpeg4 kicks butt on PC

I Wouldn't be so categorical.

1. mpeg1 & mpeg2 are the most universal formats and with high
probability someone will be able to play them even in 20-30
years. On contrary mpeg4/DivX is not that universal and maybe
will be forgotten in some time.

2. Quality. When I play DivX 640x480 on my computer (PIII-500)
I see a lot of artefacts (I am sure because computer is slow).
When I make XSCVD 640x480 from the same DivX file, I get much
better quality. My parents have really old and slow computer
and do not watn anuthing newer, and I still want them to see
my camcorder exercises.

3. Also for SVCD they could use DVD player.

4. In some future I believe XVCD 640x480 could be easily transferred
to DVD-R/RW in DVD format and become "fully standard".

Got the idea? ;-)

> sometimes the authoring program produce a invalid cue/bin.
> check out the cue file if all the tracks in raw/2352 or raw/2336.
> the explorer hands when you have mixed track formats.

Done. All tracks are identical. And two things are the most
disgusting:
- bin/cue is CDRWIN format, but program miserably fails,
- when I make copy from image mounted by daemon-tools copying fails
as well!

Thanks for answers/help.

[ulfschack]

Well you certainly make a thurough point. It looks as if you've taken most things into account. The burner seems ok ... and you have of course tried to read the discs on other computers (your parents' f ex)?


- bin/cue is CDRWIN format, but program miserably fails,
- when I make copy from image mounted by daemon-tools copying fails
as well!


This is an image of the non-working burnt SVDC, I take it? Cause you said previously that mounted images copied well enough.

I'm sorry for being unable to help you further. I do however have some comments that might be of future help.


1. mpeg1 & mpeg2 are the most universal formats and with high
probability someone will be able to play them even in 20-30
years. On contrary mpeg4/DivX is not that universal and maybe
will be forgotten in some time.

Certainly SVDC is a standard and at worst you'd just have to hang on to the DVD player you buy and you'll be set for it's lifetime. Future Mpeg4 will most probably be downwards compatible. Look at Gif and Jpeg. Any popular format will last long.


2. Quality. When I play DivX 640x480 on my computer (PIII-500)
I see a lot of artefacts (I am sure because computer is slow).
When I make XSCVD 640x480 from the same DivX file, I get much
better quality. My parents have really old and slow computer
and do not watn anuthing newer, and I still want them to see
my camcorder exercises.


Here I'm baffled. I would like to ask if you are a blind, but common curtesy implores me not to. Anyhow don't make the SVDCs from the DivX version in the future. Do them in the same roll as the DivXs. I solved my "parent problem" by buying tham a cheap DVD-player. They're perfectly happy, so I'll refrain from quoting your third point :)


4. In some future I believe XVCD 640x480 could be easily transferred
to DVD-R/RW in DVD format and become "fully standard".


The magic eight-ball might say "I wouldn't count on it". Why extrapolating your guesses that far. Why not just go with what you know is supported. 720x576, 480x576 (really svdc spec, but plays well on my stand-alone, and all (3) others I've checked) or 352x576.


Got the idea? ;-)


Hopefully ...



Cheers

[htc10825]

quote:
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- bin/cue is CDRWIN format, but program miserably fails,
- when I make copy from image mounted by daemon-tools copying fails
as well!
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This is an image of the non-working burnt SVDC, I take it? Cause you said previously that mounted images copied well enough.

I'm sorry for being unable to help you further.
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end of quotation.


But maybe I can. Plan of "step by step":
0. uninstall demon tolls & winiso
1. reduce the burn speed to 8x (max. 12x, but 8x is safe)
2. reduce the image size, do not try to burn cd over 80 min. on a 80min cd-r(do not use 90min/99min cd-r!)
3. test to burn a small single track vcd/svcd with a small mpeg/mpeg2 file and nero 5.5.8.2(or 5.5.7.0) on cd-r/w
If all works ok (vcd/svcd play normally), go further with:
4. download a few vcd/svcd sample images(nero-format) form www.vcdhelp.com and burn it to cd-r/w. If ok, then
5. download a few vcd/svcd sample images(cdrwin-format) form www.vcdhelp.com and burn it to cd-r/w. Burn it with cdr-dao, witch came with the vcd image package. Use the recorder driver "generic-mmc", speed 8x, create a batch file to burn the bin/cue image.
6. post your resaults.

cheers