New DVD formats for China : EVD and AVD

[ChristianHJW]

Robux4 was posting this interesting link to the MCF mailing list :
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=2271 . FYI .

Edit : http://www.oes.itri.org.tw/enindex.html : the organisation behind it. Sent them a mail, pointing to MCF and MCF-CD.

@avih : any plans setting up a homepage for XCD ?

[avih]

homepage for xcd:
yes, we have plans. actually last night i uploaded an initial page, with brief description and link to the initial spec.
(xcd.sf.net or xcd.sourceforge.net)

however, i took that off few mins later since the project is registered as GPL atm, and we think it would be too restrictive to be commecially addopted. gawen has suggested the BSD license which is much more 'loose'. since then i found out there are 2 versions of the BSD license: the 'original' and a 'modified' one.

so the 1st priority atm is finding a proper license, and when that issue is resolved, we'll make the spec public. i'm currently reading different licenses, but i'm not a lawyer :(

any help with is issue is still welcome.

regards
avi.

ps.
if anyone want to help with the license issue, please read my 1st post at the next thread, which states what are our goals with the license:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24288

the BSD license sounds like what we're looking for, but there are 2 different BSD licenses...

[ChristianHJW]

Whats's wrong with L-GPL ? MCF is using this license, it should be fine for XCD also ? I dont know the BSD licenses i have to admit and dont have the time to read my way through now. Anybody here to clarify ?
BTW : I read through your conversation with Cyt0plas about this issue, but didnt get his point, i'm sorry :( . He suggests to have the specification as freeware, but your software as GPL, assuming everybody else making software for XCD will not be worried about licenses ( as it is freeware ) but stick to the specs as your supporting software is GPL ? :confused: ...

[avih]

well, mcf is NOT yet commecially addopted.
i prefere to see actual open sources that were addopted by the industry.

gawen said that the tcp stack that was written by bsd is used in windows. that's how i want xcd to be: easily adoptable.

as i said, i'm learning the issue. and help is welcome.

avi

ps. wanna PM with your icq# ?
i just saw i already have it.. but youre not online... i'll check it anyway..

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by avih ps. wanna PM with your icq# ?
i just saw i already have it.. but youre not online... i'll check it anyway.. ... no ICQ at work anymore, sorry ... too much to do ...

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by avih well, mcf is NOT yet commecially addopted. i prefere to see actual open sources that were addopted by the industry.
Ogg's license is even more free, and where is industry using it ? You finally have support in winamp ( industry ? ) now, plus a few game soft companies are using it, but thats it ! I guess the reasons for the 'big' companies to look at opensource software are not really limited by the licenses these apps are/were using, but more influenced by their commercial interests, or better the limited possibilities for such, if they wanted to do so ...

[Gawen]

I guess the reasons for the 'big' companies to look at opensource software are not really limited by the licenses these apps are/were using, but more influenced by their commercial interests

So imagine telling DVD-Standalone-Player producers "Hey guys, now that you have paid for MP4 licences, wouldnt it be nice to sell units? Here is a VCD compatible format, easy to adopt, free formatting software available, for home user storage of MP4 files. Imagine all the content that could be played with it..."

Would that be against chinese based corp. interests? They could easily sell millions of MP4 aka DivX capable players with minimal development overhead and costs.

[Neo Neko]

Well they would not have to develop from scratch. But there will still be the matter of porting some of the code and getting it to work with the embedded hardware. Not to mention that this is a user space phenomina ATM. It was developed from open code. But the bas format itself is IP belonging to Philips I believe.

But if anyone has loose moreals with coppied media I am sure Christian would be the first to shime in here. ;)

[Gawen]

Not to mention that this is a user space phenomina ATM.

Thats right. And thats why they should hurry.;)

They have their Philips VCD licenses, they have or will buy MP4 licences. So what?

The user phenomina is there. They would just have to take it. We are talking about interpreting a 44 byte RIFF header. Not more. They already have the rest or are working on it (MP4).

[int 21h]

Originally posted by Neo Neko
Well they would not have to develop from scratch. But there will still be the matter of porting some of the code and getting it to work with the embedded hardware. Not to mention that this is a user space phenomina ATM. It was developed from open code. But the bas format itself is IP belonging to Philips I believe.

But if anyone has loose moreals with coppied media I am sure Christian would be the first to shime in here. ;)

The only thing that belongs to Philips is the VCD Format (MPEGAV, etc directories with specified files for specified purposes). This will be 100% different in XCD.

[robUx4]

About the license.
BSD is very good to be adopted by companies. It's even better for them, because they can make modifications, sell the product and never give the source to anyone else. So you're going to work for them for free, and the (better) product won't be free anymore. That's why LGPL is better in that case : it's free, company friendly and you still get the modifications.

For the 2 versions, the modified version is the new default one. The previous one was incompatible with GPL. So you couldn't mix BSD code and GPL code.