Standalone mpeg4 players?

[rui]

I just read this: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020409/90258_1.html

Maybe xvid can take advantage of those "DivX-enabled DVD players". They only mention divx enabled, but I hope that the divx they speak about is nothing more than mpeg4.
Or could they creat some way to only play the mpeg4 videos created by divx5?

[acido]

I have the same doubt so i was posting your same question ...
But since i see no replies, maybe our question is too stupid or no one knows the answer and only the time will tell ...
However i read something regarding ISO compatibility and it seems that both DivX and XviD are compliant, i don't know if MPEG4 DVD devices built in agreements with DivXnetwork will avoid to play XviD files.

[rui]

Well, if i am correct, at least xvid is fully ISO mpeg4 compatible. I believe divx5 is two, but not sure.
I only hope that they don't creat a DVD mpeg4 device that only read mpeg4 created by divx5 :confused:
If they do that, than Divx Networks is more evil than i thought :devil:

[acido]

Hello Rui,
this was actually what we needed to know, take in account that the Playa player bundled with DivX doesn't play XviD avis. Hence the doubt !
Another question, also encoding with DivX we'll be able to play the avi DivX or we'll have to convert them in another format?
Rgds from Italy

[movmasty]

i hope that when will put HDTV on DVD they will make a mpg4 codec with extension .mpg,like the mpeg2.
then we will have just to get it in some way.

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[Teegedeck]

Perhaps you should read Doom9's news from 4/13.

Anyway, we shouldn't forget that DXN are such small fish; it's hardly worth caring about 'DivX5-enabled' players; you can as well hook your PC up to your TV-set.

Don't you, too, find the longer-term perspective a bit more interesting? Whether or not your files will be playable on MPEG4-capable DVD-players in some years (will DXN still exist then?). Guess these HDTV-DVD players will only be released in countries where there actually is HDTV (Japan, USA), though. :(

[movmasty]

ehm...we live in a "global country" satellite is everywhere
then hdtv on dvd too.

[Teegedeck]

By principle, yes, but try and buy an HD-TV in Europe.

[rui]

Originally posted by Teegedeck
By principle, yes, but try and buy an HD-TV in Europe.

Portugal -> nearly impossible :(

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by acido
Hello Rui,
this was actually what we needed to know, take in account that the Playa player bundled with DivX doesn't play XviD avis. Hence the doubt !
Another question, also encoding with DivX we'll be able to play the avi DivX or we'll have to convert them in another format?
Rgds from Italy

Folks a little insight here. The DXN Playa will play Xvid encoded content just fine. They are both ISO MPEG4 compliant. It appears that The Playa just checks the AVI fourcc for divx and DX50. So you just change the fourccs in you Xvid avi to that and The Playa will happily play it. The same can be done with the avi if a DVD will read the avi. And once it is in an MP4 container well The Playa couldn't care less. It again will do both Divx5 and Xvid. So the future for Xvid in Divx standalones is bright!

[acido]

@Neo Neko
I tried to change the FOURCC with the changer supplied with Nic's builds with no luck (The playa is not playing it).
Another try i did is : i use ffdshow for XviD DivX4&3 contents and tried to encode a small divx with XviD selecting DIVX as fourcc but when played i see that ffdshow is used instead of the DivX decoder as happens with DivX 5.01 contents.
Am i missing something? :confused:

[milan]

Supported FourCCs can be selected in ffdshow configuration dialog (XVID, DIVX 3, DIVX 4,...). If your movie player can not display ffdshow configuration dialog, there is ffdshow group in windows start menu with Configuration shortcut.
Hope it helps.

[rui]

Originally posted by acido
Another try i did is : i use ffdshow for XviD DivX4&3 contents and tried to encode a small divx with XviD selecting DIVX as fourcc but when played i see that ffdshow is used instead of the DivX decoder as happens with DivX 5.01 contents.
Am i missing something? :confused:

In xvid config tab, you have both divx and dx50. You must select dx50, if you want the divx5 decoder to be used, since you configured ffdshow to decode divx4/3.

[acido]

Ok Rui,
i was just wondering what dx50 was for :D
Thanks !

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by acido
@Neo Neko
I tried to change the FOURCC with the changer supplied with Nic's builds with no luck (The playa is not playing it).
Another try i did is : i use ffdshow for XviD DivX4&3 contents and tried to encode a small divx with XviD selecting DIVX as fourcc but when played i see that ffdshow is used instead of the DivX decoder as happens with DivX 5.01 contents.
Am i missing something? :confused:

You have to change both instances of the fourcc. If you miss one then it is all for naught. -> http://www.doom9.org/Soft21/Editing/AviC.zip should change both of em. Just change the lowercase xvid to a lowercase divx. And change the upper case XVID to DX50. I have tested it and it works fine. You can do the reverse as well. If you use Divx 5.x with all the standard settings and B frames. IE.... no qpel or gmc then the Xvid filter will play Divx 5.x content as well if you just change the fourccs.

[trbarry]

What is the meaning of that second code when changing FOURCC's? I've never seen it described anywhere.

- Tom

[movmasty]

Originally posted by Teegedeck
By principle, yes, but try and buy an HD-TV in Europe.
just down my street there is my comp shop,they sells a 23" screen that supports 1920x1440 for 700$.....
on it you can receive satellite and hd dvd,both commercial and homemade,
and the good is that DVTV is broadcasted in mpeg2 format
just waiting for a little downpricing

@trbarry(hi tb)
is a common notion that fourcc codes are two,same 4 letters,but one in upper and one in lower case,you have to respect this and change both.
guess they are used in different editing task.

[Teegedeck]

Lucky US-Americans... The future of HDTV doesn't look that bright in Europe.

Actually I didn't mean to say that you can't buy an HD-TV no matter what - you can always get anything if you know where to look (import it). I wanted to point out that there are currently no plans of producting/broadcasting HDTV in most European countries. And if the national TV-channels don't use this format, there's no call from the audience for HD-TV-sets. Especially in Germany, people will prefer to have a dozen low-quality channels on pay-tv to having one HD-TV channel.

In Japan and the US, HD-TV is really making advances because there are government-sponsored action-plans for HD-TV. Don't know whether people would just rush to the stores and buy such TV-sets if they could buy HDTV-DVDs. But well, as most (all?) DVD-players work with chipsets made in East-Asia, European DVD-player might still play back MPEG-4.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by trbarry
What is the meaning of that second code when changing FOURCC's? I've never seen it described anywhere.

- Tom

The first one is the description code, the second one is the driver code.

[trbarry]

Lucky US-Americans... The future of HDTV doesn't look that bright in Europe.

Actually I didn't mean to say that you can't buy an HD-TV no matter what - you can always get anything if you know where to look (import it). I wanted to point out that there are currently no plans of pro ducting/broadcasting HDTV in most European countries. And if the national TV-channels don't use this format, there's no call from the audience for HD-TV-sets. Especially in Germany, people will prefer to have a dozen low-quality channels on pay-tv to having one HD-TV channel.

Teegedeck -

Except for a few of us, most everybody would seem to prefer a large choice of lousy channels instead of HDTV. But I think HDTV is coming anyway, even in Europe.

The reason is XviD/mpeg4/DivX. It's been pretty much shown that you can make a decent 1280x720p movie somewhere about 4-6 mbits/sec in Xvid. And this will fit a HDTV movie on a DVD-R and be playable on today's faster machines in software only.

see www.trbarry.com/Its_All_Here.zip small 15 sec sample

But a couple years from now blank DVD-R's will be 50 cents apiece or less and most every college student will have a burner. So even if the US movie industry is still filibustering on HDTV DVD's there will probably be HD movies available for playing in HTPC's. And the stand alone players (if any) will probably also play them if they aren't crippled by Hollywood somehow.

- Tom

(please don't anyone write me and ask for full movies)

[movmasty]

Originally posted by Teegedeck
...I didn't mean to say that you can't buy an HD-TV no matter what - you can always get anything if you know where to look (import it). I wanted to point out that there are currently no plans of producting/broadcasting HDTV in most European...Don't know whether people would just rush to the stores and buy such TV-sets if they could buy HDTV-DVDs. But well, as most (all?) DVD-players work with chipsets made in East-Asia, European DVD-player might still play back MPEG-4.

? Teegedeck,when i say 23" screen(i should have used monitor),i mean a pc monitor,not a tv set,and the shop is my computer shop,you know that we have higer res than tv on our PCs.
no matter if europe doesnt support HDTV,we can have it on our computers....digital tv :)

(hey trbarry,could i have some hd dvd from you? :cool: )