ChristianHJW
4th April 2002, 12:16
HI !
Good news ... read here ( from IRC #project_mayhem, Dibrom's channel ) :
<tangent3> xiphmont: you might be interested in looking at this thread too: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22325
<Dibrom> hrmm..
<ChrisHJW> tangent3 : you asked what esle could be mirrored
<xiphmont> people jump to all sorts of concusions with no information :-P
<xiphmont> "not looking to the future" "closed minded" heh.
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: ?
<Dibrom> perhaps you guys can discuss :)
<ChrisHJW> tangent3 : check this : http://interface.darktech.org/log-bot/log.txt
<xiphmont> No, ChrisHJW reported fairly accurately.
<Dibrom> but, I'd have to agree with Monty here I think.. I'm not sure some of those statements are so founded..
<xiphmont> Oh, whoops. That wasn't to me.
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: I've not tuned 5.1 as I have no source material.
<ChrisHJW> 'not looking to the future' was not my statement for sure
<tangent3> it was betaboy's comments
<ChrisHJW> 'closed minded' neither
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: right, I wasn't referring to your comments.
<ChrisHJW> its the general perception on the boards i hate to say
<Dibrom> yeah... as he said, people jump to conclusions without checking the facts :/
<ChrisHJW> we ( especially me ) were trying to push Vorbis best we can
<xiphmont> folls can be deluded if they wish, and they tend to wish. *shrug* We'll get where we're going.
<Dibrom> at any rate though.. what would it take for you to get some proper source material, monty?
<xiphmont> test samples in 5.1.
<xiphmont> that's it :-)
<Dibrom> I personally think it'd be very premature to jump ship from a format with so much potential, I'd say far more than AAC even...
<ChrisHJW> Monty : vakot mentioned you needed some surround setup to test 5.1 Vorbis .. true ?
<xiphmont> Sure, I have one.
<ChrisHJW> vakor
<Dibrom> xiphmont: right... so... what do you need? movie soundtracks, just some studio samples, anything?
<xiphmont> I'd prefer mostly studio samples, but some sountrack stuff as well.
<ChrisHJW> ohh .... we wanted to organize one for you ;)
<Dibrom> ah..
<xiphmont> the problem is that mastering varies widely, the coupling has to be flexible on the fly.
<ChrisHJW> a surround setup i mean
<tangent3> donate 5.1 equipment?
<Dibrom> well, why don't you guys (ChrisHJW) organize a big effort to provide Monty with samples then :))
<ChrisHJW> yes .. that was the plan
<xiphmont> The 5.1 I have right now is not mine. It's borrowed.
<ChrisHJW> samples .. no probs at all
<xiphmont> I need samples more than the setup.
<ChrisHJW> so ... sorry, you need 5.1 Vorbis or 5.1 AC3 ?
<xiphmont> Uncompressed.
<ChrisHJW> WAV .. ok ... FLACed ?
<xiphmont> original source if possible... FLAC is fine, yes.
<xiphmont> meaning, decodes from other format will work, but are suboptimal.
<ChrisHJW> like critical sound samples from many different movies
<Dibrom> most original would have to be AC3 though..
<xiphmont> yeah.. :-(
<Dibrom> hrmm..
<xiphmont> better than nothing tho.
<ChrisHJW> Monty .. we can provide you with a AC3 to VorBis transcoding tool
<tangent3> i think there are DVDs with PCM soundtracks
<ChrisHJW> fully automatic
<ChrisHJW> will work with libvorbis
<Dibrom> yeah
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: no windows here... UNIX?
<ChrisHJW> but ... only on Windoze ;)
<ChrisHJW> i check
<ChrisHJW> you hear from me
<ChrisHJW> another thing :
<xiphmont> I don;t need hours. Just short tests.
<xiphmont> >20-30s apiece is probably too long
<ChrisHJW> Doom9, everwicked, powerdivx etc. are planning big advertising of Benjamins online Vorbis petition again
<ChrisHJW> we try to break the 10.000 signatures
<tangent3> heh, i just put it on slashdot. what's bigger advertisement? :)
<Dibrom> hehe
<ChrisHJW> dont know slashdot
<ChrisHJW> but Doom9 has 15.000 unique hits / day
<xiphmont> Apple at least pays attention to that.
<xiphmont> Probably iRiver too
<ChrisHJW> i read it .. and will comment on it
<tangent3> slashdot has millions
<xiphmont> slashdot is 1-3million on a normal day.
<ChrisHJW> all interested in the subject ?
<tangent3> but the petitiononline site seems to be down.. probably explains why my post isn't being modded up
<ChrisHJW> :(
<Dibrom> no, but if even a fraction are interested directly, that's a whole lot
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: all geeks
<ChrisHJW> i see
<xiphmont> bedtime for me (well, actually some debugging left before bed :-(
<Dibrom> k.. later monty
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: geeks, MS haters, open source lovers, patent haters...
<ChrisHJW> Monty : i get some high quality samples arranged
<xiphmont> 'k1dd13z'
<Dibrom> hehe
<ChrisHJW> send you via CD
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: thank you. That will result in 5.1 couplings.
<xiphmont> Very good!
<ChrisHJW> :)
<xiphmont> good night
*** xiphmont has quit IRC ("Green hacker needs beer")
<tangent3> see how much progress you can get by opening a conversation rather than writing in forums
<Dibrom> true
So ... more advice on how to create the sample Monty needs to follow here .. have to go to lunch now
Good news ... read here ( from IRC #project_mayhem, Dibrom's channel ) :
<tangent3> xiphmont: you might be interested in looking at this thread too: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22325
<Dibrom> hrmm..
<ChrisHJW> tangent3 : you asked what esle could be mirrored
<xiphmont> people jump to all sorts of concusions with no information :-P
<xiphmont> "not looking to the future" "closed minded" heh.
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: ?
<Dibrom> perhaps you guys can discuss :)
<ChrisHJW> tangent3 : check this : http://interface.darktech.org/log-bot/log.txt
<xiphmont> No, ChrisHJW reported fairly accurately.
<Dibrom> but, I'd have to agree with Monty here I think.. I'm not sure some of those statements are so founded..
<xiphmont> Oh, whoops. That wasn't to me.
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: I've not tuned 5.1 as I have no source material.
<ChrisHJW> 'not looking to the future' was not my statement for sure
<tangent3> it was betaboy's comments
<ChrisHJW> 'closed minded' neither
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: right, I wasn't referring to your comments.
<ChrisHJW> its the general perception on the boards i hate to say
<Dibrom> yeah... as he said, people jump to conclusions without checking the facts :/
<ChrisHJW> we ( especially me ) were trying to push Vorbis best we can
<xiphmont> folls can be deluded if they wish, and they tend to wish. *shrug* We'll get where we're going.
<Dibrom> at any rate though.. what would it take for you to get some proper source material, monty?
<xiphmont> test samples in 5.1.
<xiphmont> that's it :-)
<Dibrom> I personally think it'd be very premature to jump ship from a format with so much potential, I'd say far more than AAC even...
<ChrisHJW> Monty : vakot mentioned you needed some surround setup to test 5.1 Vorbis .. true ?
<xiphmont> Sure, I have one.
<ChrisHJW> vakor
<Dibrom> xiphmont: right... so... what do you need? movie soundtracks, just some studio samples, anything?
<xiphmont> I'd prefer mostly studio samples, but some sountrack stuff as well.
<ChrisHJW> ohh .... we wanted to organize one for you ;)
<Dibrom> ah..
<xiphmont> the problem is that mastering varies widely, the coupling has to be flexible on the fly.
<ChrisHJW> a surround setup i mean
<tangent3> donate 5.1 equipment?
<Dibrom> well, why don't you guys (ChrisHJW) organize a big effort to provide Monty with samples then :))
<ChrisHJW> yes .. that was the plan
<xiphmont> The 5.1 I have right now is not mine. It's borrowed.
<ChrisHJW> samples .. no probs at all
<xiphmont> I need samples more than the setup.
<ChrisHJW> so ... sorry, you need 5.1 Vorbis or 5.1 AC3 ?
<xiphmont> Uncompressed.
<ChrisHJW> WAV .. ok ... FLACed ?
<xiphmont> original source if possible... FLAC is fine, yes.
<xiphmont> meaning, decodes from other format will work, but are suboptimal.
<ChrisHJW> like critical sound samples from many different movies
<Dibrom> most original would have to be AC3 though..
<xiphmont> yeah.. :-(
<Dibrom> hrmm..
<xiphmont> better than nothing tho.
<ChrisHJW> Monty .. we can provide you with a AC3 to VorBis transcoding tool
<tangent3> i think there are DVDs with PCM soundtracks
<ChrisHJW> fully automatic
<ChrisHJW> will work with libvorbis
<Dibrom> yeah
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: no windows here... UNIX?
<ChrisHJW> but ... only on Windoze ;)
<ChrisHJW> i check
<ChrisHJW> you hear from me
<ChrisHJW> another thing :
<xiphmont> I don;t need hours. Just short tests.
<xiphmont> >20-30s apiece is probably too long
<ChrisHJW> Doom9, everwicked, powerdivx etc. are planning big advertising of Benjamins online Vorbis petition again
<ChrisHJW> we try to break the 10.000 signatures
<tangent3> heh, i just put it on slashdot. what's bigger advertisement? :)
<Dibrom> hehe
<ChrisHJW> dont know slashdot
<ChrisHJW> but Doom9 has 15.000 unique hits / day
<xiphmont> Apple at least pays attention to that.
<xiphmont> Probably iRiver too
<ChrisHJW> i read it .. and will comment on it
<tangent3> slashdot has millions
<xiphmont> slashdot is 1-3million on a normal day.
<ChrisHJW> all interested in the subject ?
<tangent3> but the petitiononline site seems to be down.. probably explains why my post isn't being modded up
<ChrisHJW> :(
<Dibrom> no, but if even a fraction are interested directly, that's a whole lot
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: all geeks
<ChrisHJW> i see
<xiphmont> bedtime for me (well, actually some debugging left before bed :-(
<Dibrom> k.. later monty
<tangent3> ChrisHJW: geeks, MS haters, open source lovers, patent haters...
<ChrisHJW> Monty : i get some high quality samples arranged
<xiphmont> 'k1dd13z'
<Dibrom> hehe
<ChrisHJW> send you via CD
<xiphmont> ChrisHJW: thank you. That will result in 5.1 couplings.
<xiphmont> Very good!
<ChrisHJW> :)
<xiphmont> good night
*** xiphmont has quit IRC ("Green hacker needs beer")
<tangent3> see how much progress you can get by opening a conversation rather than writing in forums
<Dibrom> true
So ... more advice on how to create the sample Monty needs to follow here .. have to go to lunch now