Why not make a Windows Media forum too??

[mikemikez]

Just had to get this off my mind...

I feel so sorry for everyone downloading DivX 5. All the unknowing people messing up their playback of divx3 content, getting their pc filled with spyware, etc etc.

DivV 4/5/divx-networks now is at exactly the same level as real networks.

Why I propose to make a windows media forum is because I'm pretty sure you can get very good encodings with it too... Especially if you consider that divx 3.11 is hacked microsoft property that's ancient allready.
And most of all, because a full featured MS encoder is FREEE!!!! Unlike the divx Networks stuff.

Oh, and before we get these huge discussions here again about people thinking divx 5 is superiour and they wanna use it for their CRITICAL (LOL) things they are doing....
All these codecs are pretty close in quality and if you are doing anything really serious anyway you will go for high bitrates anyway or use a real lossless codec. Oh it's for online use? Well also been proven that divx 4/5 isn't as good as other codecs at low bitrates...



Mikez

[tripnotik]

Funny, but I would say that DivX 5 is especially good at low bitrates. For example I encoded "The Fifth Element" at 672x288 @ 582kbps. And it looked good (for a 1CD rip). Now if that's not a low bitrate, then what is?

As for the windows media forum, there was a WM8 forum, but I suppose Doom9 decided to delete it because there was almost nobody there. And also I think that it's not a good format because I doubt there are tools to edit wmv video (because it's a closed format proprietary to Microsoft).

And why don't you just return to the divx.com forums and just stay there instead of saying stupidities here. For many people, DivX 5 works very well. And if you think divx3.11 was better, dream on... Divx3.11 was pure shit! The only thing that made it look good was the amazing Nandub.

[temporance]

Originally posted by mikemikez
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And most of all, because a full featured MS encoder is FREEE!!!! Unlike the divx Networks stuff.
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I do not agree with this statement. It's like saying that the drinks and meals you get on a plane are free. The are free when you are on the flight, but to get there you have to pay $$$ for your ticket.

So MS encoder is not free: you pay for Windows don't you?

[Neo Neko]

Dear lord I thought I was free of him! Mike I know you can't be that naieve. You have come up with some strange ideas over at the Divx.com forums. But this one is a bit more malformed than even those. People are open here. But your saying that Microsoft is in any way better than DivxNetworks is laughable. DivxNetworks has made some unpopular choices of late. But I am sure many people would agree it would take quite a bit more for them to even be remotly comparred to Microsoft's soiled hands.

If you honestly have good input to provide and are not just here to cause chaos do so man. But do it in the right places. This thread is very off topic for this section and would be better posted in the general section since it relates to no established areas.

[mikemikez]

LOL

Yeah.. Just can't let go of it, sorry.

Nekoneko, I do think you are not objective enough to be a mod around here. If you want I can quote some of your statements about people being lame because they don't wanna spend money on the buggy playback ruining DivX 5 codec....

Nekoneko, you KNOW that it's just not done to make people pay for personal use if there is lots of money to be made from non personal use.(which is possible because the public supports by making the standard) That divx-networks intentionally messes up playback of other codecs made me angry, the fact they are releasing spyware made me furious.

All I'm trying to say is that we don't need another company like this!!!! Everybody is sooo tired of this media format war and all divx-networks does is continue the battle by using even worse tactics than ever before.


And I can't say it enough.....


@tripnotik,

700MB movie encodings are not low bandwidth now are they???

Uhhhhhhh, DivX 5 isn't a closed format?

I'll be laughing my ass off when divx networks is 2 steps further in their wannabe real-networks strategy... Don't even think it will get that far because they will be bought by a company like real-networks probably...

[Neo Neko]

I am not going to waste alot of time on this. You and I have a history of always being on the oposite side. We have agreed once or twice though. ;)

No one here is unbiased or 100% objective. Doom9 sure tries hard though. And as you will see I have not trampled you speech. Actually I was trying to help you. This is not the kind of post for this place or the place for this kind of post. It does not have a specific place. But the right place if you would like to see the creation of such a topic would be in the general section.

I welcome your constructive input to the forum. But the stuff you do and the things you play at over at Divx.com don't need to be brought here. Niether does any history between us. So far you have made a bad start. Lets work to make things better.

PS: I am never out to name call. Neither have I ever said that anyone was lame for not wanting to pay DivxNetworks. They might be for whining about it. It is DivxNetworks product after all. They do not have to pay for it or use it if they do not want to. Which often makes me to wonder why you even mess with it when you never seem to give it a chance. :( :confused:

[tripnotik]

Uhhhhhhh, DivX 5 isn't a closed format?

Man, please stop it. DivX 5 is mpeg4. Do you think avi is a closed format? No! If it was a closed format, how do you think we would be having tools like virtualDub to manipulate avi's? Same thing for MP4's I think. Now do you see many tools for manipulating asf and wmv files? I think that Avery Lee once tried to put support for asf in virtualDub, but Microsoft told him to remove it.

Hey mikemikez, you know what? I have installed DivX 5 Pro, and I can still playback avi's, mov's, rm's, mpg's, asf's and wmv's correctly.

Will you understand one day that DivX 5 is mpeg4 compliant? Which media format war are you talking about? Are you getting paid by M$ to post comments like you do? Because saying you want wmv and then talking about media format war is contradicting yourself. DivX is taking an accepted format that anybody can implement, while M$ is pushing their proprietary format that nobody can do tools for except them.

Please mikemikez, will you do something for me? Reboot in dos mode and type "format c: /u". This should keep you occupied for a while and we won't have to suffer your postings here.

[Doom9]

I've said it when I dumped the wmv forum... traffic was virtually zero. and if you read my comparison (http://www.doom9.org/codecs.htm) you will probably understand why most people don't bother. DivX3(SBC), DivX4, DivX5 and XviD are all clearly better and not as proprietary as wmv.

[rui]

Originally posted by mikemikez
That divx-networks intentionally messes up playback of other codecs made me angry, the fact they are releasing spyware made me furious.


Well, i have both divx5 pro and the latest Nic's xvid build installed in my comp, and never had any problems playing any of my xvid encodes, nor did i noticed any picture quality degradation on them.

[DJ Bobo]

I only use WMV when the content is intended for the internet (something like 300kbps) or when I want to get 5 hours on one disc at any price! with such very low bitrates I find that WMV is better than DivX.

For all other purposes DivX is the one and only!

And WMV don't need a forum since it's easy and has nearly no parameters: download GUI, select bitrate, hit encode, that's it.

[Teegedeck]

Although WMV isn't a 'new' codec, I guess discussion about it belongs into the 'New A/V Formats' forum. Former 'Alternative Codecs' forum has been officially merged with it.