@Doom9: Ogg Muxing

[NetSoerfer]

hi...

yesterday i read your guides for ogg vorbis encoding (both the oggmachine and the headAC3he) and successfully encoded the audiostream of the film i just encoded. but when it came to multiplexing both files, i encountered some problems (like nandub crashing when trying to open the ogg...)
well, i'd simply not read the appropriate guide. (by now, i've used

my suggestion: write a note to the ogg guides not to use nandub for multiplexing.
i think many nandub users may have seen the button for muxing an ogg stream in nandub and thus might be confused if nandub crashes every time they try to use it.

...just an idea... :)

soerfer

[MaTTeR]

Which guide were you using?!?! I see no mention of NanDub in the guide I'm viewing. NanDub will not mux Ogg Vorbis successfully. You need to use GraphEdit as displayed in Doom9's guide.

http://www.doom9.org/ogg.htm

Please post the link of the guide your talking about.

[NetSoerfer]

i was not talking about any guide recommending nandub for multiplexing. i just talked about the following scenario (which should not be too unusual): someone is used to ripping divx and mp3 seperately and to multiplexing them afterwards with nandub. he's quite often seen the "ogg vorbis" button in nandub. then he decides to try ogg vorbis. he reads the HeadAC3he (http://www.doom9.org/ogg-hac3.htm) and/or the OggMachine (http://www.doom9.org/oggmachine.htm) guide (as he searched for ogg guides in the Audio Related (http://www.doom9.org/audio-guides.htm) Section). now he has made his ogg stream and needs to multiplex both video and audio. as he remembers nandub has an ogg vorbis option (see above) he tries to use nandub for that purpose - because there's nowhere written in the guides that ogg multiplexing doesn't work with nandub. doesn't work - he's confused.that was all i was talking about.
and that's the reason for my suggestion to put a hint on the guides to use graphedit, not nandub.

soerfer

[MaTTeR]

Ahhh...now I see what your saying;)

The rapid pace that the software and media are changing makes it very difficult to update the guides. I'm sure the next revision of the guide will make note of this.

Thx!

[NetSoerfer]

no problem... maybe i should work on my english though... ;)
btw, i've just seen that the forum's stolen some of my first post's text... :mad:
well, whatever... seems as if i've successfully explained what i meant... :)Original post by MaTTeR
The rapid pace that the software and media are changing makes it very difficult to update the guides.that's exactly why posted it here... if you don't need the guides, you don't see difficulties as easy as the ones that stumble over them...

soerfer

[Neo Neko]

@NetSoerfer
You can fix Nandub to mux RC3 Vorbis just fine. I was one of the first I know of to do this back in the day. Basically the last time Nandub was updated Vorbis 1.04Beta was brand spanking new. Looooooooooooooooong time ago. The nice thing is that Nando simply used the OGG and Vorbis DLLs from xiph.org. So if you try to mux a current Vorbis OGG with nandub it will bomb. 1.04 Beta was not a complete spec or RC and it runs into things in the newer OGGs it just does not understand. If you download the Win32 SDK from xiph.org and replace the DLLs in nandubs dir with the ones from the SDK it will handle RC3 Vorbis fine.

But since you can now use OGG as a continer for video as well this is really of no use any more. Because the sound was fine and stayed in perfect synch. But the moment you ff or rw sound dropped out completely when you embedded the OGG inside an AVI.

Unless Nando or someone else picks up the torch and carries on nandub we need to move it out of the current vernacular.
At this point it is becomming quite limited and outdated. The only thing it is good for is Divx 3.11 or MSMPEG4. And they are no good for my needs as they alter the colors, introduce freeze frames, and do not comply with any MPEG4 profile.

[NetSoerfer]

Originally posted by Neo Neko
But since you can now use OGG as a continer for video as well this is really of no use any more. Because the sound was fine and stayed in perfect synch. But the moment you ff or rw sound dropped out completely when you embedded the OGG inside an AVI.how can i use ogg as container for video? via ogg tarkin? haven't heart anything of it... :confused: ('xcept for the name, of course)

soerfer

[chris25fr]

you can mix with graphedit and tell the result for ex: movie.ogm

[NetSoerfer]

ah, i see... it's the way doom9 explained in his Ogg Media Stream Guide (http://www.doom9.org/ogg.htm), right?
sorry, i simply didn't know that this means using ogg as container for both v&a...
some reason might be that i haven't used .ogm file extension but .avi (though, as i just remember, doom9 claimed that it's no real avi...) to make windows media player automatically play the movie...

[chris25fr]

i don't know yet very well the subject . But, in resume, it's better to name your file .ogm instead of avi. It's for the futur and player's compatibility . More, i think the mix is better . Wmp 6.4 plays very well .ogm if you have ogg direct show filter .



:)

[MaTTeR]

Moving over the new A/V section. I suspect you might get more feedback here ;-)

[Neo Neko]

Yes the OGG Media Stream tutorial is for making movies encapsulated in OGG instead of AVI. OGG is actually a file format and not a codec as people commonly mistake it to be. The audio codec is Vorbis also known as OGG Vorbis. They are also working on a video codec called Tarkin over there, but it is a very long way from being useable.