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DDogg
5th March 2002, 21:35
I do NOT vouch for the validity of the following statements. I will say that Bugs normally knows what he is talking about (or certainly acts like it :p) Check directly with Ahead software to verify.



: Is it possible to burn a bin cue with nero


It's possible, but it won't work properly. Here's why...


With XA multi-track bin/cue files, and ALL VCD/SVCD's are XA multi-track, Nero will ALWAYS short data Track 3 (technically, track 2) by 150 sectors. It's a known bug, and that's why even on the Nero website they tell you not to burn multi-track bin/cue files with it. Nero will burn a single-track bin just fine,tho. But ALL VCD's and SVCD's are multi-track.


VCD's contain sector addresses in the first track which point to the following tracks recorded for addressing the track starts in addition to the redundant information recorded in the TOC of the CD-ROM. SVCD's also make use of scan point tables, which contain sector addresses for playing time related access to the VBR mpeg-2 streams.


If the sector addresses become invalid, because the following tracks are not recorded as they were supposed to be, as in the case with Nero, some or all of the following effects may be experienced:


Entry points (chapters) will point to wrong locations or even outside the MPEG stream itself.
Fast forward/fast reverse operation may not work properly.
GOTO may not work properly.
MPEG tracks may not play at all, or the track may start at some place other than the beginning.
MPEG synchronization problems.
Or it plays just fine, but the chapters simply aren't there at all. or not all of them work.

This 150 sector shorting happens with all known versions of Nero, including the latest one. It's 100% reproducible. Taken an SVCD and burn it with CDRWin. Then burn it again with Nero. Compare the Table of Contents of each. Nero's will be short on Track 3.
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Bugs

smiller667
5th March 2002, 23:07
I believe it was hvr (the author of vcdimager) who first described this problem (Nero burning tracks 2 & up with an offset of 150 sectors etc., resulting in nonfunctional PBC and other nasty things) in the old vcdhelp.com forum middle of last year or so. Read more about it here: http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/nero_bug.html
However various comments in this and other forums led me to believe that recent versions of Nero abolished exactly this problem ... I never bothered to check as I gave up on Nero for SVCD and VCD image burning purposes. Read hvrs comment here: http://forums.vcdimager.org/viewtopic.php?topic=73&forum=1 - he mentions another bug that causes nonfunctional SVCDs (a workaround is included).

thebeak40
5th March 2002, 23:09
Hi. I use nero for all my svcds (nero5564) and they play perfectly with windvd version 3.0. Maybe 15 movies, never a problem.

What kind of problems would this missing 150 sectors cause?

DDogg
6th March 2002, 02:09
thebeak40, what part of the first post in this thread did you miss? :)

"Entry points (chapters) will point to wrong locations or even outside the MPEG stream itself.
Fast forward/fast reverse operation may not work properly.
GOTO may not work properly.
MPEG tracks may not play at all, or the track may start at some place other than the beginning.
MPEG synchronization problems.
Or it plays just fine, but the chapters simply aren't there at all. or not all of them work."

mrbass
6th March 2002, 02:16
http://www.nero.com/en/driver.asp

Changes from Nero 5.5.4.0 -> 5.5.5.1
The content of the SCANDATA.DAT file was not written on SVCD.

It took them that long just to fix that major oversight. Give them a couple of more years and I'm sure it'll be some great burning software for svcds.

chainsaw135
6th March 2002, 02:51
@mrbass bahhahahahah ,,,,,,thats to funny yeah all in all its a good burning util but man it has some issues, tho i've never had none with it. Tho i switched to fantom cd because it does what nero, clonecd and even deamon tools does. GO figure huh?

DDogg
6th March 2002, 18:02
smiller667, thanks for taking the time to post those links. It saved a lot of time as I have not kept up with Herbert lately.