Is 50hours normal to do an SVCD ? (still remaining 15 hours)

[InRaDium]

Hi all! I would like to thank to the author of DVD2SVCD, present on this board too, which has done a gr8 program that eveyrone would like to have on their pc's...

It's my first time using this program and I like the the whole program conteud..

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I used Lethal Weapon 4, region 2 (europe), PAL system, 16:9 with Dolby Digital 5.1 and 122 min...

I used the guide on "Doom9" (thxz a lot) for do my SVCD..

I follow the guide, done everything without problems..

I thought that in 8 hours my SVCD would be finished, but I was wrong...

But here's my question:

I'm already on 50hours of DVD2SVCD encoding (using the CCE that is on the DVD2SVCD pack on Doom9 site) + the other time for ripping, coneverting the audio...etc. I'm using 4 pass's on a PIII 500Mhz with 512MB Ram with a 30GB HD and a 12x DVD Player from Creative.

I would like to know if it is normal to take so long to do an SVCD. The enconding is still doing and still more 15hours remaning :(

Thxz and sorry if I haven't follow the rulez exactly.

Thxz

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

No it is not normal to be encoding for 50 hours, i am using a Dell laptop with 1 gig processor and 512 ram and i get it done in about 16 hours when i do a 5 pass with 192 sound.
something isn't set properly. what video card are you using?

[InRaDium]

I have a GeForce 2 Ti and with 4 passes and 224 sound..:confused:

Thxz for replying :)

[markrb]

A P3 500 will work, but it will be very slow.

What are you getting for a CCE speed number?

Did you uncheck downsample audio?

50 hours does seem extreme, but you are on the slow side of a computer too.

Post your DVD2SVCD_log.txt file using cut and paste, not attach.

Encoding time will depend on:
1. Length of movie
2. Speed of CPU
3. Speed of RAM
4. Number of passes (take the length of the movie and multiply it times the number of passes plus 1 and then divide by the CCE speed number. This will give you an approximate length it will take to encode.)

Consider the fact that PAL takes longer to encode then NTSC.

So while 50 hours seems a bit much 8 hours is nowhere near long enough for your computer. If you take -=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=- example and double it you would get 32 hours. Now he does not say if this is NTSC or PAL. If he is doing NTSC you would need to add some time on to your encode.

I would not be surprised at all to find out that this is a normal amount of time for that computer.

Mark

[Mozart]

you are using a PIII 500MHz, a very slow machine for SVCD encoding. With such processor, your speed is normal. Read the FAQ and the Q&A threads. There you can find some tips to decrease your time of encoding.

[marie]

I would not be surprised either.

As a user of the same processor P3 @ 500, i found out the same result when i first used this program. It was taking me 25+ hours and it wasnt still done.

You are better off using CBR than multipass VBR. On my P3 @ 500 MHZ and 512RAM, i can encode the whole movie in under 8 or 7 hours.

[chainsaw135]

@Markb "Now he does not say if this is NTSC or PAL. If he is doing NTSC you would need to add some time on to your encode."

Should that not be the other way around, where if he is doing PAL movies he should add more time on for encode verses NTSC.


@InRaDium If you could post your Total system specs, type of operating system all that, plus post your dvd2svcd log file and the avisynth script file.

[marie]

Originally posted by markrb

4. Number of passes (take the length of the movie and multiply it times the number of passes plus 1 and then divide by the CCE speed number. This will give you an approximate length it will take to encode.)



Is this accurate?

I tried to encode a 95 minute DVD.

Length of the movie X number of passes + 1

95 * 4 (from 3 passes +1) = 380

380 / .5 (avd CCE speed on mine) = 760

Whats 760? mins?? If so then 760 mins / 60 mins = 12 hours??

This cant be true on my P3 @ 500

[InRaDium]

Damn...my sister just crashed pc :((((( damn

Sorry for posting this with no info but the DVD2SVCD process wasn't ready tought :(

Well, I'll try to do a small chapter (from a smaller vob) and then I will paste all info ...but the speed would be proporcional as with the other big vobs so I hope u understand...

Thxz for the quick replies..

I'll post tomorow then ;)

[markrb]

@ chainsaw135 What I meant to say is that -=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=- does not say on his encode if he is doing NTSC or PAL. If he is doing NTSC then InRaDium would have to add time, because PAL takes longer.

Mark

[chainsaw135]

@mark yeah i was totally not trying to sound or make you sound wrong. I knew what you were talking about, but i was putting my self in the shoes of a person that was new with Encoding, and so i wanted to just make your answer more clearer..:)

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

@ markrb: thanx for the math spell for time calculation (never thought about it that way)
@ inradium: I guess I was wrong and the speeds you are getting are normal.
@ all: i'm encoding strictly NTSC

@ chainsaw135: did you see my thread labeled "so close yet so far?"


Best of luck Inradium.

[chainsaw135]

@-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=- don't recall that thread, if you want to post the link to it i'll go read up ect again to refresh my memory.

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

@chainsaw135: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19102
thanx!

[markrb]

@marie this time formula is an estimate and only for the video encoding in CCE. It does not take into consideration the audio, DVD2AVI, The muxing or the cue file creation.

Also don't forget that the speed shown is only the current speed. CCE can speed up or slow down as it needs to, but most of the time as long as you are not using the computer for anything the speed will remain close to constant.

That formula has always worked within an hour of my total encode time.

Mark

[marie]

I guess not for me..

DVD2AVi doesnt take much like 6 mins, audio perhaps about more than an hour.

It is the video encoding that takes a while

[sukerman]

My P3 450 was just the same. You can save time by
not doing the 48K > 44K sound. I find everything
plays 48K sound except real cheap soundcards.

Basically, DVD2SVCD is nice if you've got a bit of
power. On these PC's, each pass for CCE takes at least
6 hours, so by default DVD2SVCD is doing 4 passes.

dvdx is a lot faster, (I got 6fps), and the quality
isn't very different. Just one tip - set the number
of frames to 100 less than the total in dvdx because
there's a bug.

One drawback - because DVD2SVCD does multipass encoding
it can accurately encode with a chosen average bitrate
so that it will exactly fit 1/2/3 CD's.

Or you could just upgrade? I got Abit Kr7A RAID, XP1700
and 256Mb RAM, cooler for £311 from www.komplett.co.uk
and fitted it myself. I'm no expert and hadn't done it
before but with a little research it was easy.

Now I get 1.4RT from CCE and can do 4 pass VBR in a day
no problem. Can't say the quality is staggeringly
better though. Games are pretty slick now too.

Cheers,

J.

[dvd2svcd]

You really need glasses. There is a HUGE difference in quality between dvdx and cce (or tmpgenc for that matter). Do not start these false statements!

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

here, here,
i agree with dvd2svcd. the difference is staggering. I don't know that i would go so far as to say you need glasses, but you may want to increase your daily carrot intake!:D

[sukerman]

Don't get me wrong - I prefer DVD2SVCD.

I'm not talking about dvdx doing the encoding, you
can use the AVIwrapper video server with it to use
CCE. It seemed to do the audio & frameserving faster
than AVIsynth on my system, so was faster for me.

I know you can do single pass with DVD2SVCD, but
try it, its faster in dvdx. I'm not slagging anything
off, that's my experience.

J.

[InRaDium]

I finally did it..

9 hours for a 30min movie :)

Eveyrhing worked gr8, I burned it BUT:

the dvd had quality when there is no action...when there is action the quality decreases and get's type of "lines" :(

Any help?

Thxz

[sukerman]

These lines may be due to the video being
interlaced. Are you using any de-interlace
filters?

[InRaDium]

I used Nodeinterlacing...

[sukerman]

http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/interlace.htm

This explains about interlacing, but basically try using
a deinterlace setting like smartdeinterlace or telecide
in dvd2svcd. This will slow things up but might
solve your problem. Generally fast action scenes
can get a bit untidy because it needs more bits/s
to encode the picture as mpeg works by encoding the
differences between frames. SVCD only has up to
2600Kb/s which isn't always enough to make it really
smooth

[InRaDium]

Yeah, it has a lot of action and fast scenes...thxz for the help ;) Gonna have a look ;)