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Scuba
27th February 2002, 16:34
WTF ???

I got several of them. All from Sony.
The old ones are Normal. Never doen any problems, but today I got the new Shakira CD, and it really not playing on Computer based CD's.

This So called copy protection did not stoped me from making a perfect digital copy of my new CD but the process was long and anoing :mad:

Do they really think that this way they will be able to stop the Internet shearring of music, By making it more complicated to copy the damend thing ? :rolleyes:

friar01
28th February 2002, 09:22
actually, many people think that copy-protecting cd's is going to hurt the record companies. this is due to the fact that these copy protected cd's will not play on most computer cd drives, automobile cd players, and even some high-end cd players.
right now, the record companies do not put labels on their protected cd's informing the consumer of such, but some cd's do have such labels. and, according to gerry wirtz of philips (the company that created the cd), these copy protected cd's may, over time (a couple of years), develop errors through normal wear and tear, causing them to become unreadable even on those players that they would play on intiially. who is going to buy a cd that may not play on their cd player to begin with, or one that will, after listening to it for a while, become unplayable on ALL players? not me.
however, if these copy protected cd's continue to be manufactured, it will only be a matter of time until someone finds/develops a quick and easy method of ripping these cd's, leaving the record companies to yet again rack their brains to find another way to keep people from ripping cd's.

Scuba
28th February 2002, 15:51
I actually found a better way on the end.
It involve a over a year old X40 SCSI Plextor :D

Some things can read any thing......;)

sarahjh69
28th February 2002, 19:17
I haven;t seen a real Audio CD in years!
I thought everyone just used grokster for the content
and amazon for the covers!
So who cares how they protect them!!!

dragoman
28th February 2002, 21:21
Phillips (the company) is actually suing Sony and co. for calling these "copy protected discs" cds, because according to Phillips they do not conform to Red Book Standards and thus are not cds.

Phillips wants to force everyone putting out these copy-protected discs to have labels on them, which is a good thing I think cause it helps out consumers...

dragoman

markrb
1st March 2002, 02:06
There is also a young women I believe in California suing one of the labels saying that they don't work in all of her devices and this is done on purpose. I don't know all the details. It was in an article in either Home Theater Magazine or in Sound and Vision magazine. The article also stated that the suite between Sony and Philips had been settled out of court with Sony removing all logo's that pertain to the CD spec that Philips controls since the copy protected cd's are out of the cd spec.

There are several different formats of copy protection as well. They were all spelled out in the article. The most common was to put errors in the audio stream on purpose so that a cd-rom drive couldn't read the files correctly and then they wouldn't copy. This has the side effect of not letting them work on a computer at all though.

It was an interesting read. It also stated that several labels had no intention of adding any type of copy protection at all. They said the cost to develop it and the potential problems outway the potential gains. They also seem to think the cd is on the way out so why put money and time into an outdated technology. Both DVD-Audio and the SuperAudioCD(SACD) both have copy protection designed in them from the start.

Mark