Help encoding LEXX - field order problem

[HeeD]

I am trying to encode LEXX, episode 2.1 Mantrid, off of DVD using DVD2SVCD. In my DVD player it plays back jerky and this is obviously a field order problem.

Settings in DVD2SVCD 1.0.6 build 4:

Encoder TAB: uncheck Zigzag scanning, uncheck Progressive frames.
DVD2AVI TAB: NTSC Field Operation left as Automatic

Everything else basically is defaults.

I am presuming LEXX is 29.97 NTSC so that is why I made the above settings.

I check the VOBs in Bitrate Viewer and Field topfirst: Yes

I heard about bug in CCE 2.5 that it always will do top field first no matter what, so this seems to be right as to what I seen in Bitrate Viewer.

The resulting MPV and muxed MPG is also topfirst: Yes , in Bitrate Viewer.

But SVCD plays jerky in DVD player.

So what I did to try to fix is run pulldown.exe :

pulldown.exe "c:\svcd\CCE_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv" "c:\svcd\CCE_inversed.mpv" -nopulldown -tff even
rename c:\svcd\CCE_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv CCE_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv.bak
rename c:\svcd\CCE_inversed.mpv CCE_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv

Then run DVD2SVCD, Crash Recovery -> Muxing and Cutting

The result now plays pefectly smooth with no jumps but now has video glitches - one around 10:20 into the video (the part where Stanley Tweedle is explaining to Zev that Kai has lived 2000 years too long and it cuts to the space/wormhole shot - glitches here) and a few times afterwards. The original jumpy SVCD (before pulldown fix) does not have these glitches.

Also when I view the modified MPEG in Bitrate Viewer (after pulldown) it shows topfirst: No , which seems backwards because aren't even fields=topfield ?

I am confused - can anyone give me a suggestion what settings to try to get this encoded properly using DVD2SVCD ?

I make good SVCDs from progressive DVDs (99% of DVD seem to be progressive) but just notice a problem with interlace.

[xrv1138]

Heed
ive never seen that problem myself

did you try the encode originally with zizzag and progressive left ticked ?
and does the jerky encode you created play jerky in powerdvd/windvd ?

[HeeD]

Last night I setup TMPGenc 2.51 to encode the same VOB that DVD2SVCD ripped. I used the DVD2AVI_PROJECT_FILE.d2v, Encoded_audio_1.mp2 and SVCD NTSC template. The Video source was Interlace, top field first. I changed it to CBR 2-pass and Motion search precision to best quality (very slow).

I burned the SVCD this morning and the result is perfect smooth on DVD player and not jumpy. I checked the mpg produced by TMPGEnc and it is Field topfirst: Yes


I had also previously tried encoding with CCE 2.5 the .AVS file by itself (without DVD2SVCD) and then muxing with TMPGEnc and still got jumpy playback.

I think it is bug with CCE... I will leave progressive frames and re-do the entire DVD2SVCD process again to see what happens and will post result here later. Failing that I will look into modifying the AVS file to set field.

BTW, the result from TMPGEnc 2.5 2-pass VBR with best quality motion search still does not hold a candle to CCE (aside from the jumpy problem) - and it takes twice as long as CCE does with 4-pass!

[HeeD]

Ok, I feel sorta stupid now...

My problem was I read too much on here about other peoples' problems and that led me to not bother trying the obvious because. I read that CCE 2.5 Upper field first had no effect, but obviously it does.

The fix is simple (but I still am confused).

In DVD2SVCD, Encoder TAB, I uncheck Progressive, frames, Unzheck Zigzag and uncheck Upper field first. It does not make sense to uncheck Upper field first, but it works! It is as if CCE is backwards in this case for field-order. Unless Upper field is not same as Top field (it sounds the same to me).