do u need help with tempgnc

[chuggaman]

im not online very often (allways encoding) but just ask

[RedWoods]

Please help!
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=17764

[Bodyguard]

I've read through a lot of guides, and none seem to help me with this... Yes, it's another one of those "out of sync" problems. I'm trying to make vcd's out of some anime I downloaded. :( I have an apex dvd player that plays dvd, vcd, svcd... And I use TMPGEnc. for my encoding purposes. However, I believe the problem lies in the source files I'm using to encode. :confused: They are 23.97 frames per second. The sound of the vcd's I made are fine in the beginning. It's later that the sound gets out of sync with the video. Can you give me some info on how to do this properly? Even if I use the vcd ntsc-film template this occurs. Maybe my dvd player doesn't support 23.97 frames per second??

[Bodyguard]

On another forum, someone told me that he had the same problem, too, and that he fixed it by raising the bit rate level of the encoding. Something about his dvd player not being able to cope with the default bit rate settings... I tried and it doesn't work. Can someone also explain this guy's theory (?) of the bit rates to me?

[chuggaman]

what format are the origonal in
divx or some other
and are they in two or 1 parts
for example if you have a divx film in two parts your problem most commonly arises in the process of joining

also another thing to rember is that when u open the origonal file with temgnc look at the frames per second
rember it load your template
then reset the frames per second
then continue in your normal procedure

[Bodyguard]

The original files are in divx. Everything I TRY to encode are in one part. I make sure everytime that the frames per second match what showed up whenever I load the files. And I check again after I load the templates.

More details on the problem: Store bought vcd's and dvd's work fine. Only the vcd's I try to encode are having problems. The video sometimes speeds up unexpectedly causing the audio to get out of place. It may re-sync again for a little while but happens again later. These encoded files play perfectly on the computer. (And another stand alone dvd player, too...) (But it's not mine...:rolleyes: )

[halcyon]

I was having trouble syncing audio with a DVD rip, so I ripping the audio with Headac3he with the silence I needed at the beginning, and muxed it with TMPG which gave me a perfect mpg of the whole movie. When I tried cutting it into 3 pieces with TMPG, I got about 20 seconds of missing audio at the ends of parts 1&2. I'm not sure what version I'm using as I'm at work right now, but if you need more info, I can give more when I get home tonight.

-=<halcyon>=-

[Bodyguard]

Yes, give me some more info.

[Bodyguard]

Hey! My grandma lives in Minneapolis, Minnessota. :D I'm going to go visit her on the 15th of this month.

Hehe... Just thought that was funny...

(BTW, I was born in Rochester myself...:sly: )

[halcyon]

Right on. I've only been living there for 6 months or so, but it's nice since it's so close to everything. Car insurance is high though. Sorry, I didn't check the forum when I was home, so I'll just post a new thread after work.

-=<halcyon>=-

[Zot]

I've never had success cutting with tmpgenc, from version 12h to 2.53, it ALWAYS cuts out the last 20 seconds or so of audio. After tmpgenc is compete, I do a simple demux and use avi2mpg2 to merge the audio/video and automatically cut the MPG to any size I want (see here for details: http://www.dvdripguides.com/dvdrip2e2.html)

Zot

[obelix]

@bodyguard:

Had the same problem. Got the hint that TMPGEnc doesn't mux VCD properly. So I demuxed the mpeg with TMPGEnc and remuxed with BBMpeg. Works fine.

[chuggaman]

use avi to vcd program(decompress audio) this converts to pcm
then load into tmpgenc do not change the frame rate
ie
if 23.397
leave as this

[Bodyguard]

I've already done it the avi to vcd way. (Using the decompress program for the pcm format...) It doesn't work. I think I'll try BBMpeg next. It's either that or buy a mod chip for my apex player. Don't know whether or not that would work. I might try using avi2mpg2 after BBMpeg. If nothing works, I'll see if I can buy another dvd player that's compatible with the TMPGEnc. program. I've tested some vcd's on a portable dvd player (Movie Goer...) and it works fine. I'm starting to get the idea that the apex series isn't very reliable. (With encoded vcd's anyway... Store bought ones work fine. Go figure.) :rolleyes: If anyone else has any suggestions, feel free to post. This conversation is starting to get pretty interesting...

I heard from another source that when CCE is used instead of TMPGEnc. there are no problems. Don't know how reliable that source may be. Any of you guys try that yet?

[Zot]

I've got 2 Apex 1500's that play everything - SVCD, VCD in both NTSC and PAL, plus mpg's and I use TMPGENC. I don't think it's the Apex.

Side note - downloaded DVD2AVI 1.85 with the on the fly MP3 - noticed the same audio getting out of synch problem after encoding with tmpgenc. Fine at first, getting worse as the movie plays on. I then realized DVDAVI reporting frame rate of 24.000 not 23.976 fps! Tried several movies - same result. Backed down to DVDAVI 1.74 - displays correct fps and audio synch problem went away!

:confused:

[chuggaman]

buy a pioneer
i have a pioneer dv 530
it will play a soggy biscuit
one question?????????????????
are u encoding pal
if so playback from 23.97/29.00 kbps or any other will result in audio sync or jerking
sorry its just one of those international things

[Bodyguard]

Why in the world would I be encoding in PAL?? (Although PAL has a higher quality than NTSC... I AM an American...) Pioneer, huh... I'll consider it.

"23.97/29.00 kbps" You must mean fps...:D

[Xidus]

Oh I've got one I never could figure out. How can I get TMPGenc to not change the framerate? Checking the "do not frame rate conversion" in advanced settings does nothing. No matter what I do it always changes the framerate to whatever is set in the video framerate options, which cannot be set to a custom number.

[samdesai10]

I have TMLGenc 2.52, and I used it successfully with Matrox RT2000, Premier 6.0, DVDiT2.5PE for short movie. I tried to encode a 2 hr DV movie, using 2 pass, VBR with Best Qality (Slowest settings) and I had to stop, beacause it looked like it was going to take about 50 to 60 hours! Any suggestions to speed up the process will be greatly appreciated. I also tried CCE 2.5 SP, premier plug-in but DVDiT would recognize the file created by CCE. Please help me with correct settings for CCE in Premier, thanks-Sam

[Zot]

Sam,

Use High Quality instead of Highest Quality - this will cut down on encoding time. I tried a few encodes at both to compare, and could not tell the difference. You will see the biggest change in encoding time here.

Don't run any other processes in the background (ctrl-alt-delete and kill everything but Explorer before you launch - should not need anything else, but your system config may vary!)

What OS are you using? If you've got Win2K, you could setup a striped volume set for source drive. This will increase throughput, don't know if it will significantly.

If not, defrag source and target drives, and if possible use drives on seperate controllers for source and target. Improvement could be significant if you are badly fragmented.

What is your current system config? I went from a 1 GhZ PIII with 512MB PC100 RAM, to a dual AMD 1800+ 512MB PC2100 RAM. A 2 hour movie, 2 pass encode went from 20 hours to about 3.5 (single pass encodes are faster than real time!) If you plan on doing regular encodes and have older h/w, you may want to invest in faster h/w.

Zot

[samdesai10]

Thanks a lot, Zot, you have made some very good suggestions, I will try them. I have win2k, 1 ghz pentium III, and yes I have been thinking about going for dual AMD 1800, was not too sure it would help me greatly, but looks like, based on your experience, it will. Single pass encodes are faster, but for a long movie I think I have to use low bitrate to get full movie on 4.7 media and have to use multi pass encode to get a better quality video. your thoughts will be greatly appreciated, thanks again-Sam

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by Zot
Sam,

What OS are you using? If you've got Win2K, you could setup a striped volume set for source drive. This will increase throughput, don't know if it will significantly.

Zot

This won't provide much of a difference because file I/O doesn't really affect encoding speed.

You're also far, far, far better off to use single drives. If they crash, you can recover, even NTFS. Recovering from a crashed stripe set means using a commercial data recovery firm.

[FredThompson]

Originally posted by FredThompson


This won't provide much of a difference because file I/O doesn't really affect encoding speed.

You're also far, far, far better off to use single drives. If they crash, you can recover, even NTFS. Recovering from a crashed stripe set means using a commercial data recovery firm.

Uh..this is assuming you have decent drives. If your source drives are old ATA33s, you'll probably see a speed improvement but it's a very dangerous thing to do. I've had a stripe set crash. Don't use a stripe set unless you can afford to completely loose everything on those drives.