How specific are 0000x.MPLS and 0000x.M2TS?

[Ghitulescu]

Can one substitute these two files (as a pair) from a different mux of the same source?

Reasoning for this question: to replace a single incorrect clip from an otherwise correctly authored BD, without having to go through the whole muxing procedure again and again?

Or is there something like Vobblankers' function Replace titles in the BD realm?

[rik1138]

You want the ClipInfo file as well (unless you are sure that file is okay). And don't forget to replace the MPLS and CLPI in the BACKUP folder as well (just in case a player decides to read that file for some reason)...

But, yeah, these files can be moved around independently of the disc. Example: if you know 00001.MPLS _only_ references 00010.M2TS, you can can take the 3 files (00001.mpls, 00010.m2ts and 00010.clpi) and replace 00001.MPLS on any Blu-ray disc, and launching 00001.MPLS will play the new file. You can even rename the .MPLS to anything you want if you want it to replace a different PlayList on a disc (don't rename the m2ts and clpi files though, unless you edit the PlayList file to point to the new number...)

I build discs manually like this all the time, I'll mux clips together with TSMuxer and drop them into a pre-programmed Blu-ray MUX to change out the video the menus launch...

[Ghitulescu]

Yes, of course, I forgot about the clip info file. Thanks for reminding me that one.

This was the answer I expected.

The clips are separate episodes, no connections other than a simple menu. But I assume I can always use bdedit to correct the link/s should something go wrong.

[laserfan]

I do this with TV episodes, i.e. make-up a menu with 4 or 5 dummy clips using Ulead MF6+ or Sony DVDA, and then copy-in the Real muxed episodes later (I have a batch file now to make sure the copies go to the right place). I've never had anything "go wrong" that required BDEdit; indeed I wouldn't know how to fix a link with that tool.

[Ghitulescu]

That is exactly what I do (and did once, went wonderful, but since then only problems - delays, subtitles etc.). But do the chapters stay (if you mux dummies)? What happens to the subtitles or if they have multiple audios?

[laserfan]

I can't say OTTOMH that I've done this with multiple subs or audiotracks, but AFAICT the info to enable these to work (and sync), with chapter marks too, is within the .m2ts, .mpls, and .clpi files which are all made using tsMuxeR. The only reason I can think that you might need to use BDEdit (after copying your Real muxed programs over your Dummies) is to alter SetStream commands (which alters the original, un-copied-over .bdmv iirc) in order to specify or force a particular sub or audio.

But again what I've done is make my own simple menus--I've never tried dropping new "sets" of programs into say a commercial BD menu structure.

[Ghitulescu]

.... only problems - delays, subtitles etc.). But do the chapters stay (if you mux dummies)? What happens to the subtitles or if they have multiple audios?

I can't say OTTOMH that I've done this with multiple subs or audiotracks, but AFAICT the info to enable these to work (and sync), with chapter marks too, is within the .m2ts, .mpls, and .clpi files which are all made using tsMuxeR.

I meant these issues -> one (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1573323#post1573323), two (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1573795#post1573795), three (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=164942), and four (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=164943) :)

[laserfan]

Ouch, those make my head hurt! Nice idea, to make BDs of TV series DVDs; in my case I'd enjoy to have very simple menus to select episodes (apart from having many more on a disc of course). But even if I were to try it, I would only use 1 audiotrack and 1 subtitle track.

I wonder how you are ripping the DVDs. The one time I've come anywhere close to what you are trying to do (four years ago!!!!) I used RipBot/eac3to to rip a movie DVD and then just remuxed to BD (probably BD-5). eac3to did not report any audio delays nor did that rip have any subs. Sorry, I can't be much help...

[Ghitulescu]

Well, I discovered a new software to do this, it's called DVD2BD. Its Lite version is freeware, had some restrictions but for my purposes seems to work ok.

I ran one of the episodes through it, then burned a BD-RE (he, he) and checked it on a proper player. It appears to be ok, but tests are to be further done, in particular how well one can reinsert those episodes in the main compilation.

[laserfan]

Wow, what a strange piece of software. I took a DVD-5 disc I had laying here, a backup of a commercial DVD with 3 episodes on it, and after 40 minutes I have a BDMV structure that works! Sort of, that is...it seems to have all audiotracks on it, and the subs work, but no chapter marks that I can see.

What is odd is that it was a 5GB DVD and now it is a 6GB BD; I'm not sure why anyone would make one of these. Another odd thing is that I ran eac3to on it, to see which mpls were the episodes, but it didn't seem to like the structure, I got:

eac3to v3.24
command line: eac3to E:\DVDtoBD\MUXED\ -log=D:\video\ContentsDisc.log
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) 00040.mpls, 00021.m2ts, 13:15:12
- MPEG2, 480i60 /1.001 (16:9)

2) 00058.mpls, 00022.m2ts, 13:15:12
- MPEG2, 480i60 /1.001 (4:3)

Which isn't at all right--there are 3 "one hour" episodes on here. :confused:

[Ghitulescu]

In my case, the movies were laid out separately, each in its own folder, obtained from the original DVDs using DVDshrink in reauthoring mode. That is, no menus and no overstuffed navigation.

The only issue I discovered so far is that DVD2BD honours the missing tracks, too (up to the last usable track). But I'll find a way to do sort this out.

The second issue is that each VobId is treated as a complete clip (a single episode with 3 VobIDs will yield 00000.M2TS, 00001.M2TS and 00002.M2TS files), yet the playback is seamless.

[Ghitulescu]

What is odd is that it was a 5GB DVD and now it is a 6GB BD; I'm not sure why anyone would make one of these.

You just discovered the overhead of M2TS muxing.

[laserfan]

You just discovered the overhead of M2TS muxing.
Yeah I figured as much; what I'm really wondering still though is why DVDLogic made this software to begin with, given DVDs are backward-compatible from BD players.

Hopefully it will work for your and other purposes, but why'd they do it do you suppose...? :confused: