Tips for users if home DVD don't read SVCD...

[IG-88 Droid]

Hi all...

OK, I read at various forums that "plenty" of peoples can't
watch SVCD movies on their home DVD properly...

I'm not sure, but I don't see any help for this, so I made
this little help message.

(1) Use DVD2SVCD as normal, except don't make CD images.
(Select "don't make image" in CD Image tab)

(2) You will have 2-3 .mpg files like: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg
Use all theses files with TMPGEnc to convert it.

In TMPGEnc select: "File" -> "MPEG Tools..." ->
"Simple Multiplex"

In "Type:" select: "MPEG-1 Video-CD"

In "Video Input:" select: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg
(your files names)

You can change the name of your files if you want in
"Output:"

***Warning***
When you enter files in the "Video Input:" area,
TMPGEnc change the "Type:" to "MPEG-2 Program (VBR)"
Re-enter "MPEG-1 Video-CD" or it's useless !!!

Click "RUN" And wait about 3-6 minutes for each files
to be Muxed as "Fake" MPEG-1 video.

Don't panic, the Exact quality of the bbMPEG muxed file
Will remain untouch. We are doing this to make Home DVD
Players to "think" it's a VCD...
Sort of an SVCD in disguise!!! LOL !!!

(3) Take all the newly make .mpg files to a VCD Maker of your
Choice. I use VCDEasy but Nero, VCDImager and VCDXBuild
work too...


(4) It's done, Watch your SVCDs now on Big TV !!!

Lot of my friends was disapointed when they find out that their
DVD only read VCD or XVCD. Now, It's OK for all of them!!!

*************************************
THIS HACK MAY NOT WORK WITH ALL HOME DVD
PLAYERS !!! PLEASE TEST IT BEFORE MAKING
A BIG BAD MOVIE...
*************************************

[jasond]

Thanks for the info. I have a coworker that cant read svcds :)

[IG-88 Droid]

It's me again...

I almost forgotten, when making a VCD image file
remember to make a Video VCD 1.1 or Video VCD 2.0 type...
Not Video SVCD 1.0 !!! I use VCDEasy and I select VCD 2.0
to have Chapters and Playback control interactivity.
(Customization like a real DVD, menu etc...)
But you can choose VCD 1.1 (just chapters)

IG-88

[Jono182]

crazy...is this for real?

considering svcd is mpeg-2 and vcd is mpeg-1, how can u have the same quality by converting it to a far superiour format?

[markrb]

I suspect that some players can decode Mpeg-2 fine it's the file and directory structure it has problems with.
Thats the only way I can see this working.

It would end up being a XVCD or in other words, an out of spec VCD.

Mark

[IG-88 Droid]

It's *WORKING* !!!

Hey, I have 5 movies right now and my Panasonic DVD Player
play them without troubles...

Like someone tell us: "I suspect that some players can decode
(SVCD)Mpeg-2 fine it's the file and directory structure it has
problems with." <--- Right

That's why I *Hack* em in MPEG-1 Structure. (headers too)

You don't trust me? I don't care, just make a 1 minutes mpeg2
file and test it for yourself !!!

Enjoy!!!

[IG-88 Droid]

"It would end up being a XVCD or in other words,
an out of spec VCD." -Mark

For me, I don't *think* it's XVCD, because it's
MPEG-2... I repeat, it's just the header of files
that's become "MPEG-1 Video CD" It's not a
re-encoded mpeg file TMPGEnc just "remake",
"hack", "disguise" the MPEG-2 file to be used
as a VCD mpeg file...

By the way, when TMPGEnc has finished, It will
tell you that the file has trouble with buffers
etc... THAT'S NORMAL !!! But your SVCD will be
ok on your Personal home DVD player...

IG-88

[markrb]

IG-88 Droid that is what an XVCD means. It's just anything different from VCD spec. In this case it's mpeg-2 video and a higher bitrate.
VCD calls for Mpeg-1 at 1150kbps. If you change anything there it's an XVCD. It's only a term and doesn't mean anything to the player.


Mark

[IG-88 Droid]

From www.vcdhelp.com/xvcd.htm

XVCD stands for eXtendedVCD and is an extension of VCD 2.0.
It tries to use the most power from the chip of the standalone
dvd player. Some people speak from a mix between VCD 2.0 and SVCD.
XVCD uses like VCD MPEG1 but it is possible to set up the bitrate
to 3.5 MBit/s and use a higher resolution. It is impossible to
use multi audiostrems for multilanguage or use subtitles.

Since my trick "DON'T" Re-Encode or modify the birate and/or
resolution the the SVCD why it sould be called XVCD?

You have made a file like: 2500 kbit/sec MPEG-2 480 x 480 pixels
29,97 frames/second 224 kbit/sec MPEG-1 layer2 audio... Sound like
a "REAL" SVCD format?

Then with this trick you will have the "SAME"...

The only difference between an SVCD made by DVD2SVCD and mine is
that's in a VCD directory structure and the headers and GOP of the
mpeg2 is now mpeg1

I know, It's pretty hard to trust but try it, and if you have a 2001
Home DVD player it will surely work...

[markrb]

I think I see your point now. I was thinking you were calling it a VCD.
Really this is neither a VCD or a SVCD. It doesn't follow either format. It follows the VCD directory and follows the SVCD File formats.

It's a combination of the two.

I know this does work for some people. I read it quit a long time ago at vcdhelp, but had long forgotten about it.

Mark

[DDogg]

IG-88 Droid, thanks for taking the time to post and share. I don't know if this will work for a lot of people but it is damn sure worth a try.

[Dixon Butz]

Originally posted by IG-88 Droid
It's me again...

I almost forgotten, when making a VCD image file
remember to make a Video VCD 1.1 or Video VCD 2.0 type...
Not Video SVCD 1.0 !!! I use VCDEasy and I select VCD 2.0
to have Chapters and Playback control interactivity.
(Customization like a real DVD, menu etc...)
But you can choose VCD 1.1 (just chapters)

IG-88

It played fine in my Panasonic portable DVD when I selected SVCD 1.0. Then, I burnt another with VCD 2.0 and it played fine also. I used VCDEasy. Now if this little hack could be incorporated into DVD2SVCD..... I like to call it a FSVCD. (Fake Super Video CD) or PSVCD (Psudo Super Video CD) Anyone have any other ideas what to call it?

[Dixon Butz]

That should be spelled Pseudo.

[IG-88 Droid]

@Dixon Butz

I'm happy that you find that "trick" useful for you.

And yes, I thought of that too, (Incorporated into DVD2SVCD)
But It's not me that will push DVD2SVCD peoples for doing
that.

It could be messing for some users, but you're right
It would help some others too...

Thank's

[IG-88 Droid]

@Dixon Butz

You're right again. We CAN (should) select SVCD 1.0. in VCDEasy.
So the CD structure is now like a "real" SVCD. Wow!

I wonder if it's only us or peoples with others brands can too?
Just tell us...

Thank's Dixon for the info.

[Dixon Butz]

Originally posted by IG-88 Droid
@Dixon Butz

You're right again. We CAN (should) select SVCD 1.0. in VCDEasy.
So the CD structure is now like a "real" SVCD. Wow!

I wonder if it's only us or peoples with others brands can too?
Just tell us...

Thank's Dixon for the info.

One more thing for the disc made in SVCD 1.0. Power DVD would not play it. I gave me a message "Unknown file format".
The disc made in VCD 2.0 worked fine in Power DVD.

[Dixon Butz]

Hey IG-88 Droid or Anyone Else

Have you noticed the sound going out of sync when using this trick?
Also, on the movie, Meet the Parents, the latest TMPEG give an error message after doing the 2nd muxed file. Something about a buffer underflow. And the sound was way out of sync on this disc.

[markrb]

If you are using TMPG with DVD2SVCD remember it is an alpha version and not thoroughly tested. CCE is still the encoder of choice.

Mark

[Dixon Butz]

I did not use the alpha. DVD2SVCD was used, but I selected don't create images. Then I used the stand alone version of TMPEG for simple multiplexing as described by IG-88 Droid. Then VCDEasy. I am just wondering if anyone noticed any sound sync problems using this method.

[ev]

Congratulations on a very clever workaround IG-88.
I don't require your technique, as my player plays SVCD but a friend of mine has an older model Pioneer that doesn't. I tried your method and when I tested it in my player, the picture was squashed up into the left side of the screen. I assume this is because the resolution is for a SVCD and not a VCD. Has anyone else experienced this or is it possibly a "PAL" problem. What system are you using IG-88?

[nuno]

Originally posted by Dixon Butz
I did not use the alpha. DVD2SVCD was used, but I selected don't create images. Then I used the stand alone version of TMPEG for simple multiplexing as described by IG-88 Droid. Then VCDEasy. I am just wondering if anyone noticed any sound sync problems using this method.

I have a sony dvp-s525d which doesn't read svcd and tried the above method with "Gladiator".
The sound was late for the image.
Solution. I will use dvd2svcd to rip the subs and do all the work of preparation just until the encoding with cce and stop. Then start cce and encode in mpeg1 + ...

[IG-88 Droid]

Like I said before:

*********************************
THIS HACK MAY NOT WORK WITH ALL HOME
DVD PLAYERS !!! SORRY !!!
*********************************

All my 6 movies are *Very Good* and played
fine on my Home Panasonic DVD CV-51 player.
(I can see/hear no troubles!!!)

I only doing NTSC rip not PAL Sorry...

I use Audio Downsampled to 48K->44.1K
Since my Home DVD skip sound a bit at 48K

And I saved my movie in SVCD 1.0 Format
Using VCDEasy...

You *should* use VCDEasy since it's work
better with this hack... (For me...)

Enjoy!!!

[IG-88 Droid]

Another useful setting (for me)is:

Max. bitrate 2499
Min. bitrate 0
Max. avg. 2300
Min. avg. 1700
Audio bitrate224

The MAX SVCD Bitrate 2723 setting
seems IMPORTANT with this hack!!!
(2499+224=2723)

I hope this will help

IG-88

[IG-88 Droid]

I have made some SVCDs using the HSVCD trick...(Hack)
I used VCDEasy "SVCD 1.0" setting...

But all my chapters don't work with that option...
When remake it with "VCD 2.0" all is fine now...

Like I said before,we definitively should use "VCD 1.1"
or "VCD 2.0" in VCDEasy for "better" support in
PowerDVD/WinDVD and in our Home DVD players...

[mfrancis123]

IG-88
I've tried your method with my Panasonic RV31 and can't quite get the right results. Its plays the file but it skips ever 2 seconds, I've tried a variety of bitrates 2250-2550 video with 160 audio but it keeps skipping. I've also tried burning the files at 4X but that doesn't seem to make a difference. If the video and audio play at all does that mean my standalone is SVCD compliant or do all players show them to some degree and then choke?? I'm in the process of trying to downsample from 48 to 44.1 but I'm not sure this is the problem? Any help would be great. DVD2SVCD is such a simple solution compared to me making MPEG1 files in TMPG I'd like to make it work.

Thanks

[IG-88 Droid]

Originally posted by mfrancis123
IG-88
I've tried your method with my Panasonic RV31 and can't quite get the right results. Its plays the file but it skips ever 2 seconds, I've tried a variety of bitrates 2250-2550 video with 160 audio but it keeps skipping. I've also tried burning the files at 4X but that doesn't seem to make a difference. If the video and audio play at all does that mean my standalone is SVCD compliant or do all players show them to some degree and then choke?? I'm in the process of trying to downsample from 48 to 44.1 but I'm not sure this is the problem? Any help would be great.

Thanks

Does your Panasonic RV31 play MP3s? If yes, you *really* should
downsample to 44.1...Mine don't play well and skip too in 48
(Panasonic CV51) I use VBR MAX 2499 and 224 for audio.
I hope you will be able to play SVCD fine.

[mfrancis123]

Mine DVD plays MP3s, I sort of fixed the problem. I downsampled to 44.1 and dropped the bitrate down to 2050, is an MPEG2 stream more difficult to decode?? My DVD plays MPEG1 fine at 2550 with 160 audio but can't play anything over 2050 in MPEG2 with the same audio bitrate. I'm not sure what to do, either I used DVD2SVCD at the lower bitrate or encode it in TMPG at the higher rate. I'm not sure what would give me better results?

Thanks for your help

[turluson]

Hi IG-88 Droid

your trick work great , but I've have a problem with chapters. I tried VCDeasy to make my 2 disks, but when I push "play" on my dvd palyer the movie wont start. I need to go to the next chapter and then everything is fine. It seems that the first chapter is missing or something. Any ideas ?

And, is it possible to automate the MPG1 trick in DVD2SVCD ? I try to convert the 2 ...muxfilexx.mpg and overwrite the mpg2 file in the \movie directory and then use the crash recovery to do the image with vcdxbuild to conserve the chapter but my standalone dvd read a Svcd movie ???

[IG-88 Droid]

Do you setup "VCD 2.0" with VCDEasy 1.07?
I use the Chapters tab option but I don't *mess* (change)
anything under the Interactivity tab...

Also if I use SVCD 1.0 all my chapters don't work...
But If I use VCD 1.1 or VCD 2.0 all my chapters works
in my home player, but not under WinDVD...

I don't care since I only watch full movie with my
Home DVD player...

I hope this will help you...

[MrRochie]

Greets...IG-88
I used your method to make a vcd and it played in my Sony component player great sound and all in sync. (This is the first time I have ever had success) other than using Cdrwin or fireburner. The only problem is the picture is on the bottom half of my screen and cut off on the lower corners. I tried to adjust the players view but did not help. I also played it with Powerdvd on my puter and it looked fine and was in the right place on the screen. Heard of anyone else having a simuilar problem?. I selected vcd 2.0 in VCDEasy. By the way thanks again for the tip this is as close as I have gotten yet.
Please ICQ 11590742 or e-mail me (attictreasure@nc.rr.com) if you have any ideas. You are a good man to help us old farts with old players out..... :confused: :(

[IG-88 Droid]

I think your Home Sony DVD Player don't handle this trick at all
You should play your CD on another Home DVD to see if it will
work...

I can't help much more in your case.
By the way how old is your Home DVD?

[MrRochie]

IG
I have a Sony DVP S300 about 1 1/2 years old and thats my only home player. It has always played VCDs that I burned with cdrwin or fireburner and it does play the a vcd after I do your procedure. Its just off center and the corners are off the screen. If you only had an adjustment like you do on the front of your puter where you could move the screen around that would be great. The Vcds I made looked and sounded great no slop or drag in the audio. I just would like to see all the picture. Anyway thanks for the reply keep me posted if you hear of a fix. Signed
(So close and yet so far) the coaster burner guru
MrRochie :D :confused: :(

[francis]

Hi all ! Is there any way to automate this trick is DVD2SVCD ? I think it that is a very good alternative to all the people that the player only play xVCD.

DVD2SVCD author should propose 3 options: VCD (mpeg1,) xVCD (mpeg2) and SVCD ? not an good ideas ??? :rolleyes:

[MrRochie]

I agree.. But don't know if the author of dvdsvcd would consider it. Since he is experimenting with Tempgnc he may be able to incorporate the options for us to help peeps with older dvd players. You should ask him. If he did that he would definately get some dough....:D

[Pko]

Originally posted by IG-88 Droid
From www.vcdhelp.com/xvcd.htm

XVCD stands for eXtendedVCD and is an extension of VCD 2.0.
It tries to use the most power from the chip of the standalone
dvd player. Some people speak from a mix between VCD 2.0 and SVCD.
XVCD uses like VCD MPEG1 but it is possible to set up the bitrate
to 3.5 MBit/s and use a higher resolution. It is impossible to
use multi audiostrems for multilanguage or use subtitles.

Since my trick "DON'T" Re-Encode or modify the birate and/or
resolution the the SVCD why it sould be called XVCD?


That is just VCDHelp's definition, and theirs is as good as anyone.

In fact, most people calls XVCD to CDs that have VCD structure and MPEG-1 streams multiplexed as VCD but that have VBR bitrate (with high peaks) and MPEG-1 standard resolution but different from what VCD's spec allows (320x240 and so). You can do that way for example a "X"VCD with VBR, peaks ar 3.5MB/s, average bitrate of 2.2MB/s and 720x480 resolution that many DVD players will reproduce OK, and depending on source, the quality could be very good.

I personally call "XVCD" to any disc that has VCD structure (it has dirs and file names following the VCD spec) and has the stream multiplexed as VCD. So the disks we where talking are XVCDs in my definition, that is at least as good as VCDHelp's (none of them has passed any international standards consortium ;-) like ISO and such)


The only difference between an SVCD made by DVD2SVCD and mine is
that's in a VCD directory structure and the headers and GOP of the
mpeg2 is now mpeg1


Yes, that exactly what makes the difference for me ;-)

If you make an MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 stream that is not SVCD-on-spec but multiplex it like a SVCD and with the disc structure of a SVCD, for me you are doing an XSVCD...

[Berns9]

Originally posted by IG-88 Droid
Hi all...

OK, I read at various forums that "plenty" of peoples can't
watch SVCD movies on their home DVD properly...

I'm not sure, but I don't see any help for this, so I made
this little help message.

(1) Use DVD2SVCD as normal, except don't make CD images.
(Select "don't make image" in CD Image tab)

(2) You will have 2-3 .mpg files like: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg
Use all theses files with TMPGEnc to convert it.

In TMPGEnc select: "File" -> "MPEG Tools..." ->
"Simple Multiplex"

In "Type:" select: "MPEG-1 Video-CD"

In "Video Input:" select: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg
(your files names)

You can change the name of your files if you want in
"Output:"

***Warning***
When you enter files in the "Video Input:" area,
TMPGEnc change the "Type:" to "MPEG-2 Program (VBR)"
Re-enter "MPEG-1 Video-CD" or it's useless !!!

Click "RUN" And wait about 3-6 minutes for each files
to be Muxed as "Fake" MPEG-1 video.

Don't panic, the Exact quality of the bbMPEG muxed file
Will remain untouch. We are doing this to make Home DVD
Players to "think" it's a VCD...
Sort of an SVCD in disguise!!! LOL !!!

(3) Take all the newly make .mpg files to a VCD Maker of your
Choice. I use VCDEasy but Nero, VCDImager and VCDXBuild
work too...


(4) It's done, Watch your SVCDs now on Big TV !!!

Lot of my friends was disapointed when they find out that their
DVD only read VCD or XVCD. Now, It's OK for all of them!!!

*************************************
THIS HACK MAY NOT WORK WITH ALL HOME DVD
PLAYERS !!! PLEASE TEST IT BEFORE MAKING
A BIG BAD MOVIE...
*************************************

Hello IG-88 Droid:
Just Saw this post And I Must Give you Credit on THIS!
I works Great! Nice work. I've been trying for some time now to Make my Player DO SVCD!
Did this today, And I t Works!!!!!!
Berns9 :) :)

[MrRochie]

News for all you wanting to make a VCD from DVD2SVCD. The Beta 1.0.8 build 2 pre 17 has vcd added. You can dl here but please read the forum it has possible bugs and you will need to read how to configure for VCD. Regards

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=121555#post121555

[epicurean]

I have the same squeezed picture to the left as well. Could it be the mpeg file that I used. I used the final muxed version.

thanks

[MrRochie]

Yes, It believe its the Mpg. I describe a method that I used to make a vcd prior to the latest beta of DVD2SVCD that works and plays correctly. You use the d2v and mp2 files created by dvd2svcd and put them in tmpgenc as the video and audio file run a standard vcd template and you can make a decent vcd. Go to http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23624

:D ;)

[ilscuro]

you could also try this method http://www.geocities.com/newestmoviesencode/dvdvcd
works for me
















you reap what you sew

[Berns9]

Originally posted by ilscuro
you could also try this method http://www.geocities.com/newestmoviesencode/dvdvcd
works for me

Hi ilscuro: Looked at this Link, and They Say Video Is Degraded. IT IS NOT!
It's Still An Mgeg2 File. Just gop is changed... All Is well Here doing this.
I could Buy a New Player, so I don't have to do this...

Berns9 :)















you reap what you sew

[rockmusicbear]

Hmmm.. interesting observation that anything out of VCD spec is an XVCD. And here I was looking for XVCD specs or creation guidelines. :-)

Originally posted by markrb
IG-88 Droid that is what an XVCD means. It's just anything different from VCD spec. In this case it's mpeg-2 video and a higher bitrate.
VCD calls for Mpeg-1 at 1150kbps. If you change anything there it's an XVCD. It's only a term and doesn't mean anything to the player.


Mark

[rockmusicbear]

Any suggestions on how to retain the chapter markings on the resulting VCD 2.0? I took the muxed mpg file into TMPGEnc and then burned with VCDEasy per the instructions, but the chapter markings were lost.

Thanks!

[mave1st]

Works great for me with VCDEasy (as VCD 2.0) and Pioneer DV-454!
It's a great Player an plays SVCD - but only with black borders if it's in 4:3 !

Now everything's fine - 4:3 plays really full screen.

Thx a lot,

mave

[Berns9]

Hi mave1st:
Great You Got things Going Here...
Been Away For Some Time Now...
Back into this again... SVCD Is Great!!!!
Berns9 :) Will Comment Later on Other things...

Originally posted by mave1st
Works great for me with VCDEasy (as VCD 2.0) and Pioneer DV-454!
It's a great Player an plays SVCD - but only with black borders if it's in 4:3 !

Now everything's fine - 4:3 plays really full screen.

Thx a lot,

mave

[Berns9]

Hi rockmusicbear:
I Know I'm real Late Here on this, But Chapters Did work For Me With DVD2SVCD Software...
Later,
Berns9 :)

Originally posted by rockmusicbear
Any suggestions on how to retain the chapter markings on the resulting VCD 2.0? I took the muxed mpg file into TMPGEnc and then burned with VCDEasy per the instructions, but the chapter markings were lost.

Thanks!

[m3taPT]

Originally posted by Dixon Butz
That should be spelled Pseudo.

If you really want to be a spellchecker, at least do it decently and correct the close-to-50-errors of IG-88 Droid since the beginning of this thread. ur typo was harmless and obvious, no harm done ;)

[Wilbert]

(1) Use DVD2SVCD as normal, except don't make CD images.
(Select "don't make image" in CD Image tab)

(2) You will have 2-3 .mpg files like: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg
Use all theses files with TMPGEnc to convert it.

In TMPGEnc select: "File" -> "MPEG Tools..." -> "Simple Multiplex"

In "Type:" select: "MPEG-1 Video-CD"

In "Video Input:" select: bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg (your files names)
(...)

It is probably not possible ... But can you also put an dvd-header instead of an vcd-header on it and burn it somehow in case your dvd-player can't read vcd's?