How calling a menu in scenarist ?

[lutinor]

Hi all,

Usually after a title is finished i link to top menu but this time i need to call a menu which is not the top menu.

Question: which command i need to use in the navicommand editor ?

Thx in adv,

Max.

[digitalvideo]

in BD or DVD?

[lutinor]

in BD or DVD?

Bd , there is a lot of cmd and i really dunno which one is the right.

My top menu link to 2 sub menu

Menu A , Menu B

When a title from menu A is finished i want to see the Menu A again (the end action in the title(s))

^^

[digitalvideo]

are you menu each in title?

[lutinor]

are you menu each in title?

Top menu : Menu 1 (sub incrusted) or menu 2 (sub incrusted)

saison 1 / saison 2 / saison 3

list menu : media 1 , media 2 media 3 etc... (* <- here)

when 'x' media is finished i wanna go to the same list menu (*)

If i use jumpobject i get this : MovieObject whose parents are MovieTitle cannot have JumpObject, CallObject, and SetNVTimer command. MO (ID:9931)

maybe this : Warning : Spec Error : Only one PlayList can be executed in one MovieObject. MO (ID:9931) ? i can add a playPL but i get a warning...

sub question : when i use 'call' command on a button (when i want to link menu during navigation) it says 'don't forget to add resume command, is this useful ? All seems ok without this on my ps3 ?

[rik1138]

Yeah, I don't know why Scenarist even lets you do that... But you can't have more than one PlayList in any Title. If you have two separate menus, just create a new HDMV title, and drop one of them there. Your menus don't have to be in the Top Menu title, you can build as many as you want (just remember that the Top Menu button on the player remote only goes to the Top Menu title, so you might want some additional control there if you aren't locking out the Top Menu button).

[lutinor]

Yeah, I don't know why Scenarist even lets you do that... But you can't have more than one PlayList in any Title. If you have two separate menus, just create a new HDMV title, and drop one of them there. Your menus don't have to be in the Top Menu title, you can build as many as you want (just remember that the Top Menu button on the player remote only goes to the Top Menu title, so you might want some additional control there if you aren't locking out the Top Menu button).

Thx for the reply but i'm not sure to understand:

My question is about navicommand editor. The first command is playPL 'themedia'. About the second, i want to link a menu (well, at the end of the play of the media). What is the right cmd ? :(

[rik1138]

Just build a new HDMV title with the menu you want to jump to in it, then do a title jump after the PlayPL command.

[lutinor]

Just build a new HDMV title with the menu you want to jump to in it, then do a title jump after the PlayPL command.

Ok it work for me now but i usually use a movie object when i want to 'drap and drop' a playlist stream.

What the difference between mo and hdmv title ? :confused:

[rik1138]

Well, the aren't even related really... You create a Title first, which has a MovieObject attached to it. You then drop a PlayList onto that MovieObject.

I just mentioned HDMV Title because when you right-click in the Scenario editor to create a new Title, you can create an HDMV Title or a Java Title... You don't want a Java Title for this... That's all I specifying.

[MrVideo]

But you can't have more than one PlayList in any Title.

You've got to be kidding. Sounds kinda dumb to me. Here is the reason why:

In this particular project, I wanted to but a playlist that was a Play All playlist. But, unfortunately you aren't allowed to have different framerates for the movie objects. The sequence would have been 29.97 - 23.976 - 29.97 - 23.976 - 29.97. But, Scenarist bitched when the first 23.976 movie was added.

So, that means taking the separate playlists for each of the videos and stringing them together, such that when the first playlist finished, it would be told to go to the next playlist. The idea was to have a single title in which I added all five of the playlists and had the navigation jump to the next playlist.

If I understand what you sad, I have to create five separate titles, each containing a single playlist and have it jump to the next title, and so forth.

No wonder there can be 999 titles, beyond the fixed two. But, what doesn't make sense, is that there can be 2000 playlists. If you can only have one playlist per title, where are the other 999 supposed to go?

[rik1138]

You can access PlayLists by themselves in Java programming. Using Java, you can have the code just play your PlayLists one after the other. You don't need ANY HDMV titles in a Java disc if you don't want. Just the First Play, Top Menu, and one Java title to launch the code.

But creating multiple titles isn't any different than it would be if you could put all the PlayLists in one title... It probably wouldn't be a seamless join either way, so it will basically act the same...

What I don't understand is why Scenarist will _let_ you put two PlayLists in a title if it's just going to tell you it's not allowed later...:rolleyes:

[MrVideo]

You can access PlayLists by themselves in Java programming. Using Java, you can have the code just play your PlayLists one after the other. You don't need ANY HDMV titles in a Java disc if you don't want. Just the First Play, Top Menu, and one Java title to launch the code.

OK, that explains the higher count. I won't be doing any Java :D

But creating multiple titles isn't any different than it would be if you could put all the PlayLists in one title... It probably wouldn't be a seamless join either way, so it will basically act the same...

I really do not expect seamless.

What I don't understand is why Scenarist will _let_ you put two PlayLists in a title if it's just going to tell you it's not allowed later...:rolleyes:

Sounds like a bug that needs to be fixed.

:thanks:

[MrVideo]

What I don't understand is why Scenarist will _let_ you put two PlayLists in a title if it's just going to tell you it's not allowed later...

You can also add separate movie objects to the scenario editor without them being attached to a title. What gives with that?

[Lyris]

Bumping an old thread, but I ran into this recently. (Annoyingly Scenarist only thought to tell me of the spec violation before I packaged the disc up for replication! Gah!)

But you can't have more than one PlayList in any Title. If you have two separate menus, just create a new HDMV title, and drop one of them there.
Won't that break the Resume functionality?

For example if I have the Resume Intention flag on the movie title set to "Suspended" (instead of Discarded), but then I have the TopMenu MovieObject call a Title (rather than simply play a PlayList inside the TopMenu MO) then it'll discard the resume info, right?

[rik1138]

Yeah, I think it will... Which, to be honest, is one of the main reasons menus on Blu-ray are one piece of video with an interactive pop-up menu. Doing the whole 'transitions, different videos for different menus options, etc' will prevent resume from working properly if it's a functionality you require.

It's not any different than Top Menuing out of the feature, then playing a bonus piece, then going back to the feature. You won't be able to resume in that instance. (You can play a bonus piece from the popup menu in the feature and then resume the feature, but once you play a second piece of video, the feature resume information is gone.)

In your case, if the TopMenu code jumps to another Title _before_ the PlayPL command, it might not loose the resume information... Not 100% sure about that (and it might even vary from player to player), you'd have to test it to be sure.

If you are wanting to play a certain piece of video for the menu on disc insert, then a different piece of video from that point forward (usually because there's an intro to the main menu that you don't want to repeat), this can be done with a single PlayList and chapter points. Instead of jumping out of the Top Menu Title, just have it jump to Chapter 2 (or something) when coming from the feature. It will play the entire PlayList when you first put the disc in though, so if it's a completely different video you don't want the user to see unless they've started the film then it won't work...

[Lyris]

In this case it was just slightly different branding that had to be shown depending on a Region A vs Region B player.

To keep the resume functionality I authored the menu playlist as having 6 hours of the Region A loop (which has an extra logo on it) then another 6 hours of the Region B loop afterwards with a PlayListMark at the start of the Region B background video.

You're not allowed more than one PlayPL per MovieObject. But you can have PlayPL and PlayPLatMK. So Region B skips to the second "chapter stop" on the menu playlist and Region A just plays from the start. Anyone in Region A who waits 6 hours on the menu (almost no-one) will eventually see the Region B menu but it's not a big deal.

[rik1138]

That was actually another thing I thought of... The seemingly endless piece of video... :)

As long as the client doesn't insist on testing the actual menu loop point during QC, to make sure the highlighted button option is held during the loop... (The studios here usually do, so that might pose a problem...).