movie split point

[ncc1701d]

Hello all!
I'm new to the dvd2svcd bundle.

I have always used flask+avisynth+cce, but have now found this "easy?" bundle.

I have a question:

Is it possible to include a funtion for choosing split points of the movie?

Because i don't like the splitting in the middle of a scene or a spoken sentence.

How about a split between chapter? Yes i know that it could mean5-10min less on on disc, but atleast an option to do it. Or a quick visual split window? Or an option
for "time split"? If i have selected bitrate for 1h on a disc it would be easy to first
watch the movie with a dvd-player, find a good splitpoint visually and then choose
that in dvd2svcd.

Is this impossible?

/Anders

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

I was wondering that myself. Other than that the soft bundle seems to be pretty cool. Let me know if you get an answer outside of forum please.

[DDogg]

Right now you can set up to a 5 second overlap in the bbmux tab. IMO,it would be very difficult for DVD2SVCD to implement this as the best encoding method is VBR. So, if the last half of the movie is bright and has a lot of action it fouls up the size computation. For this to even be possible, IMO at least, I think a compression test (actually multiple) would have to be run... Sounds very tough indeed. I do see you must know this as you imply leaving slack when you mention disks could not be completely filled. I assume you mean to allow a buffer for VBR.

Oh, as for a split between chapter ... You can do that now. Just choose the dropdown in the conversion page. Of course you would have to do each group as a separate encode function now. That still beats the hell out of hand encoding and normally does a much better job of it too as the disks are usually full via the automatic bitrate calculation.

[markrb]

About the only way is to manually do it in bbmpeg and finish the movie yourself.
It's just way to difficult to do this in an all-in-one package like DVD2SVCD.

Mark

[bcanneyus]

Hi,

I agree with mark, this is how I plan to do it myself. The only problem I have though is that I am pretty new to this (as a few others I guess) and I am not too sure about what settings to use in bbmpeg to get a perfect mux as dvd2svcd does (thanks to dvd2svcd for one of the coolest progs out there).

Does anyone know of an easy way to split an mpeg2 file that is already muxed? One could just go ahead and enter, let's say, 1CD, size 1550MB (for a 2cd encode) in dvd2svcd's bitrate tab and let dvd2svcd do everything including the muxing, but not the creation of vcdimages (who can burn an image of 1550MB size? :))

Then all one would need to do (if that is possible) is use one prog like virtual dub to determine a good cutpoint and cut the mpeg2 file accordingly. Unfortunately I don't think vdub can handle mpeg2 files (can it?), so I would appreciate anyone's suggestions on which program could do it (and whether my suggested 1550MB cd size solution would work).

Greets,
Bob

[xrv1138]

TMPGenc i think.

[waldok]

Have a look at this thread, I asked the same question a few weeks ago and had a very satisfying solution proposed by Mozart.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11775

If link doesn't work, do a search on "potential feature" in the DVD2SVCD advanced forum.

HAve fun

Waldok:cool:

[ncc1701d]

Oh, as for a split between chapter ... You can do that now. Just choose the dropdown in the conversion page. Of course you would have to do each group as a separate encode function now. That still beats the hell out of hand encoding and normally does a much better job of it too as the disks are usually full via the automatic bitrate calculation.

Hmm, i have tried that, but it doesn't seem to work, i make a big file of it anyway.

[ncc1701d]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by waldok
[B]Have a look at this thread, I asked the same question a few weeks ago and had a very satisfying solution proposed by Mozart.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11775


Yes, but that only works if using internal routines. Not if i already have ripped it
using other programs ? Right?

[Mozart]

if the movie is already in your HD, you can use that method also, EXACTLY as it is. Just use another folder as output and load the ifo file already ripped.

[DDogg]

Although I may be wrong, I am pretty sure you have to be using the original IFO from the DVD to select chapters.

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

Holy crap Batman!
Look at all these quick replies! My spidey senses are tingling!

DDogg: cheers, thanx for the 411.
markrb: hmm...little vague but i might be able to figure out what you mean once I try it.
xrv1138: aha! the man knows. you are right, this can be done but it requires first converting entire movie, then you cut(which also re-encodes) and you more often than not end up with asynch. time well wasted!:)
waldok: cheers, i'll try that next time and let dvd2svcd do the rippin'

thanx to all.
on another note, someone sent me a nasty little message concerning my signatue file. I won't mention your handle mister moderator but needless to say you only strengthened my point. Just because we haven't posted doesn't mean we are newbies. 3 words for ya - Ignorance is bliss!!

[markrb]

It's vague because it's beyond the scope of this forum. For bbmpeg info try reading the Guides on Doom9 or hitting the SVCD forum.

Mark

[waldok]

@ncc1701D

Here's what I do. I'll let you decide if it is something you would like to try. (Credits go to Mozart for this "brasilian split-where-you-want" method :p

1. Rip the whole movie using DVD2SVCD internal rip. Let's assume you do this to D:\Rip

2. Stop DVD2SVCD right after ripping

3. Now any time you want you can use your ripped movie (the one in D:\Rip) as the original DVD for applying the Mozart method

4. Open DVD2SVCD and select the ifo in your D:\Rip folder.

5. Select DVDRIP internal method

6. In the dropdown box, select an amount of chapters that you know will fit on one CD considering your usual parameters.

7. GO for the DVD2SVCD ride !

OK, this looks like 2 rips for the same movie in the end, but it's quite convenient on the "split " point of view. Sure it also means running the whole DVD2DSVCD process twice for one single movie (disc1 and disc2), but once you get used to the max amount of time you can fit on one single CD with you usual parameters, it's quite easy and straightforward.


Hope this helps.

Waldok:cool:

[bcanneyus]

Hi,

So let's say I'd like to stick with my method mentioned above (5th post from the top) - I would take over the SVCD creation process at the muxing stage, i.e. mux and cut my *.mpv and *.mpa manually (doing so enables me to cut accurate to the second, thereby maximizing cd space usage and preventing a cut in mid-sentence).

Now I realized that the offset settings for bbMPEG in DVD2SVCD are all set to '0', whereas if I go to bbMPEG itself, values of '180' are the default. Also I am not sure about what values to set in the other tabs, e.g. stream settings.

Can someone help me and tell me which settings to use when muxing and cutting manually with bbMPEG?

Greets,
Bob

[Mozart]

In bbmpeg you will find a button called "load settings". Load a bbmpeg_settings.ini file, created by DVD2SVCD, and after this just load those files to be muxed and start the process.

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

Waldok: hey thanx for the great run through, i'll give er a go!
markrb: sorry if you felt insulted by my comments. it wasn't that i didn't understand you because of my lack of knowledge. When you say finish the movie yourself it doesn't mean much. as for this being beyond the scope of this forum, i remember originally posting this in the advanced forum and it was moved by mr moderator.

now on to a different question. This dvd2svcd bundle, is it supposed to be a full unattended svcd solution? the reason i ask is that it keeps prompting me to encode and i'm not sure if it's supposed to do this, or in a loop, or simply crapping out. I am not including sys settings and configs as i just want to know if it's supposed to be automated. If it isn't, i'll simly use all the components seperately.

[Slick]

@ -=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-

Hey I've not yet figured out if you are a Polite Flamer or just someone with an attitude problem who can't or won't read previous posts!

however, IMHO you should chill a little (if you are genuine) & especially if you want anything of any use from this forum.

But then again if you are as well up on the subject as you repeatedly mention. "why not sort it out yourself"? you are obviously too clever for us anyway.

[DDogg]

now on to a different question. This dvd2svcd bundle, is it supposed to be a full unattended svcd solution?

Yes, let's please get past some of this nonsense and sniping all :)

Yes, it is fully automated. So, if (wait 5 or 10 seconds) you still have to press the encode button on cce something is amiss. Let us know and make sure you are at Build 4.

[-=:|AdReNaChRoNe|:=-]

slick: Thanx for your constructive criticism. I'll try to work on my interpersonal skills. I'm lucky to have people like you keeping me in line.
DDogg: had to drop a few settings but it ran through perfect yesterday. Thanx for your help.

I ended up with 2 800meg files however so i'll have to mess around a bit more with the cd settings. I'll try telling it that I have 650 meg cds to drop the bitrate some. btw, is there a bundle that i have missed which goes to vcd and not svcd? (looking for a full unattend like this one of course)- other than the flask bundle(:þ

[ncc1701d]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by waldok
[B]@ncc1701D

Here's what I do. I'll let you decide if it is something you would like to try. (Credits go to Mozart for this "brasilian split-where-you-want" method :p

OK, this looks like 2 rips for the same movie in the end, but it's quite convenient on the "split " point of view. Sure it also means running the whole DVD2DSVCD process twice for one single movie (disc1 and disc2), but once you get used to the max amount of time you can fit on one single CD with you usual parameters, it's quite easy and straightforward.

Yes, i'm trying that right now. a little akward to start 2 times but better than nothing.
this way one can optimize bitrate for both discs to be full.. even if there are more or less minutes on 1 or 2:nd disc.

Thanks for the tip.