How to Edit a Commercial Blu Ray Disc and Burn it to a New BD-R? Many Questions!!

[nagysaudio]

What is the simplest way to edit a commercial Blu Ray movie and burn the final project to a BD-R without losing much, or any quality? Let's take, for example, the movie Avatar...

Goal - Edit 30 minutes of content out of the commercial Avatar's Blu Ray and burn this new project to a BD-R without losing much, or any quality.

Solution (please let me know if this would work, or if there's an easier solution out there):

1.) Completely rip (BDMV and Certificate folders) the commercial Blu Ray to the computer's hard drive.

2.) Open Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10.0.

3.) Click Project - Properties - Video tab

- Template: Custom (1920x1080, 23.976 fps)
- Field Order: None (progressive scan)
- Width: 1,920
- Height: 1,080
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0000 (Square)
- Frame Rate: 23.976 (IVTC Film)
- Full-Resolution Rendering Quality: Best
- Deinterlace Method: None
- Adjust Source Media to Better Match Project or Render
Settings: Unchecked

4.) Click Project - Import Media and open the BDMV files.

5.) Make the edit cuts.

6.) Save the project.

7.) Click Tools - Burn Disc - Blu Ray Disc and burn it to a new BD-R disc.

Am I missing any important steps? Are the video settings correct for Blu Ray discs? Will I lose any quality? I can also do the above on Sony Vegas Pro 9.0, would there be any benefits to do so quality wise?

Will Sony Vegas open BDMV files? Are Blu Ray discs broken up into multiple smaller BDMV files? When I burn the final project using Sony Vegas, can I remove the FBI warnings, trailers, extra audio tracks, etc.?

The Avatar Blu Ray in question is seamlessly branched. How can I edit a certain version of this seamless branch and what will Sony Vegas actually open?

I apologize for all the questions, but I've ordered a Blu Ray burner and would like to get at least some of these questions answered before it arrives and I get started.

Thanks for all the help!

[Ghitulescu]

Define EDIT ;)

[nagysaudio]

By edit, I mean removing a handful of scenes from the film, about 30 minutes worth. Nothing fancy, just simply snipping them out.

[Ghitulescu]

I think you're better off with BD-rebuilder, multiavchd, tsmuxer and clonebd, to name a few, rather than with Sony Vegas. The latter is designed to work with ones own footage.

[nagysaudio]

Any way you can post the process, step by step, including the different video/audio settings for these programs? Thanks!

[setarip_old]

@nagysaudio

Hi!

Regarding the suggestions made by "Ghitulescu". To the best of my knowledge:

1) BD Rebuilder has no ready facility for the type of editing you've described

2) I believe "Clone BD" does not yet exist

3) Although tsMuxeR has cut and join capabilities, it has no visual capability and is based on time only

4) You should be able to use multiAVCHD to accomplish your purpose

[nagysaudio]

Visual capability is almost a must for me. Can anyone help me with the correct steps/settings for using the multiAVCHD program to accomplish my goal?

[setarip_old]

Here's a link to the official tutorial (Be patient, it's quite substantial and rather slow-loading):

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/tutorial.php#output

(Among other things, scroll to, "6. Click a title name in media tab to open Title properties:"

[Ghitulescu]

2) I believe "Clone BD" does not yet exist

Thanks for noticing, I mistyped clown bd with autocorrect on :)

[Ghitulescu]

And a short comment: it is true that each and one of the aforementioned software lacks at least one of the desired features. Should one of them have all, why the need for the rest? And to extend this philosophical issue, it won't make any difference (not even in the price) between the all-in-one suites from various developers, be it Nero, Magix or Cyberlink, to name a few.

However, a bit of beware: none of them would ever rip a Blu-ray, not even a DVD, that is copy protected: the professional tools - because it's supposed that you create yourself the material (not copy it from other sources), the consumer tools - because you circumvent the technological bla-bla-bla... Secondly, there are next to none the professional authoring tools that accept muxed files (as the audio and video are separately processed in a professional studio), while the consumer tools generally refuse the second audio track, some audio codecs (like lossless HD audio - a consumer doesn't have access to HD sources), subtitles.

So, in the end, you'll inherently use payware/freeware to rip the parts of the BD/DVD you need and you'll use probably similar tools to excise the FBI warnings out (which are again a sign that you don't own the material).

Once you'll have the A/V material you can use one of the software suites you may have (like Vegas), keeping in mind their limitations (number of audio tracks, subtitles, audio codecs, maybe video codecs) to do the processing you like upon them.

Finally, you have to reauthor the BD back into a functional structure.

The tools I've indicated in post #4 are more or less essential in at least one of these steps.

[nagysaudio]

Is there anyone that could post a step by step process using the simplest softwares and the simplest method? I haven't used any of the mentioned softwares, except for Sony Vegas (just briefly).

[Ghitulescu]

There is no such method, nor such software, unfortunately. Each DVD and BD is different, including the same titles but from different countries. If the things were so easy, why did Hollywood invested money in copy protections and stuff? I mean protections "so tight" that everyone, including those having no idea (no offence intended here) could break them?

Go on internet and read their README.TXT, help files, threads in forum, especially the stickies, and so on. Then come back with specific questions.

[setarip_old]

@nagysaudio
Is there anyone that could post a step by step process using the simplest softwares and the simplest method? I haven't used any of the mentioned softwares, except for Sony Vegas (just briefly).

1) Did you read what I said about multiAVCHD in Item #4 in Post #6?

2) As we tell our grandchildren, "Take your eyes in your hands and look!" I've provided you with a link to the multiAVCHD documentation/TUTORIAL. Reading it is up to you ;>}

[skycore]

What is the simplest way to edit a commercial Blu Ray movie and burn the final project to a BD-R without losing much, or any quality? Let's take, for example, the movie Avatar...

Goal - Edit 30 minutes of content out of the commercial Avatar's Blu Ray and burn this new project to a BD-R without losing much, or any quality.

Solution (please let me know if this would work, or if there's an easier solution out there):

1.) Completely rip (BDMV and Certificate folders) the commercial Blu Ray to the computer's hard drive.

2.) Open Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10.0.

3.) Click Project - Properties - Video tab

- Template: Custom (1920x1080, 23.976 fps)
- Field Order: None (progressive scan)
- Width: 1,920
- Height: 1,080
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.0000 (Square)
- Frame Rate: 23.976 (IVTC Film)
- Full-Resolution Rendering Quality: Best
- Deinterlace Method: None
- Adjust Source Media to Better Match Project or Render
Settings: Unchecked

4.) Click Project - Import Media and open the BDMV files.

5.) Make the edit cuts.

6.) Save the project.

7.) Click Tools - Burn Disc - Blu Ray Disc and burn it to a new BD-R disc.

Am I missing any important steps? Are the video settings correct for Blu Ray discs? Will I lose any quality? I can also do the above on Sony Vegas Pro 9.0, would there be any benefits to do so quality wise?

Will Sony Vegas open BDMV files? Are Blu Ray discs broken up into multiple smaller BDMV files? When I burn the final project using Sony Vegas, can I remove the FBI warnings, trailers, extra audio tracks, etc.?

The Avatar Blu Ray in question is seamlessly branched. How can I edit a certain version of this seamless branch and what will Sony Vegas actually open?

I apologize for all the questions, but I've ordered a Blu Ray burner and would like to get at least some of these questions answered before it arrives and I get started.

Thanks for all the help!

BDFix (http://www.defsoft.com/bdfix.html) has already added this function. You can edit m2ts in it directly and needn't any other tools.