Whoa! I just encoded a video with nandub...

[orion44]

...and I can't believe how good the picture is.

I've been encoding with Xvid for many years,
and just out of curiosity I found an old Nandub guide
and compressed the DVD with DivX 3.11.

The DivX 3.11 movie looked better than the Xvid one.

Very surprising.

Does anyone still use DivX 3.11 for encoding?

[Atak_Snajpera]

You would be even more surprised if you use x264 ;)

[Keiyakusha]

You would be even more surprised if you use x264 ;)

If for orion44 Divx311 better than xvid, it looks like for him x264 will be the worst out of three :Р

[Gew]

If for orion44 Divx311 better than xvid, it looks like for him x264 will be the worst out of three :РI second that! :)
Regardless of prefs would DIV3 > XVID.
If I didn't know better I'd call it a troll post, but I'm rich! :p

[turok]

...and I can't believe how good the picture is.

I've been encoding with Xvid for many years,
and just out of curiosity I found an old Nandub guide
and compressed the DVD with DivX 311.

The DivX 311 movie looked better than the Xvid one.

Very surprising.

Does anyone still use DivX 311 for encoding?

lol divx3? not me I use DivX 6.9.2. Divx > Xvid imo true. though i wonder... why arent ye using x264? h.264 beats divx and xvid. playback on old comp or platform?

[orion44]

You would be even more surprised if you use x264 ;)

I've encoded a couple of DVD's with x264, but I didn't like the look of the video.
The picture doesn't look 'natural' like it does on DVD.

Xvid, to me, looks better.

But DivX 3.11 looks awesome, it looks the same as the original DVD.

[Didée]

The brain is a funny thing. More ringing artefacts can be interpreted as "more detail". More macroblocking can be interpreted as "sharper image".

If you prefer a movie with more artifacts over a clean movie with less artifacts - go on!

[orion44]

lol divx3? not me I use DivX 6.9.2. Divx > Xvid imo true. though i wonder... why arent ye using x264? h.264 beats divx and xvid. playback on old comp or platform?

I take that back.

I've encoded the same DVD (first 10 minutes) with DivX 3.11, x264, Xvid, and DivX 6.8.5,
and DivX 3.11 is the worst looking clip.

My eyes are deceiving me.

Xvid looks good, I don't like the look of x264,
DivX 6.8.5 is the best (I've used preset 5), it looks awesome.

[Atak_Snajpera]

DivX 6.8.5 is the best (I've used preset 5), it looks awesome.
obviously you didn't use the same bitrate for x264, right? I reckon that you just used default crf23 ;) There is no chance that x264 (default preset) 2-pass will look worse than Divx/Xvid 2-pass at the same bitrate !!!

[Blue_MiSfit]

Indeed, especially if you set --tune film, which enables psychovisual optimizations to strike a balance between details/artifacts and smoothness.

Post some samples, I'm curious :devil:

DivX 3.11 was just before my time as an encoder... I cut my teeth on Divx5 and early dev-api3 betas of Xvid!

Derek

[orion44]

obviously you didn't use the same bitrate for x264, right? I reckon that you just used default crf23 ;) There is no chance that x264 (default preset) 2-pass will look worse than Divx/Xvid 2-pass at the same bitrate !!!

I didn't say that x264 looked worse than DivX,
I said that I don't like the look of x264.

x264 looks 'cleanest', but DivX 6.8.5 looks more 'natural' to me.

I've used the same bitrate for all encodes (745 kbit/s).

Here is the batch script I've used for x264 encoding:

x264.exe --tune film -I 240 -i 24 -r 4 -B 745 -p 1 --stats
D:\Project\Stats.log --direct auto -o D:\Project\Video.mkv D:\Project\DivX.avs
x264.exe --tune film -I 240 -i 24 -r 4 -B 745 -p 2 --stats
D:\Project\Stats.log --direct auto -o D:\Project\Video.mkv D:\Project\DivX.avs

[orion44]

Indeed, especially if you set --tune film, which enables psychovisual optimizations to strike a balance between details/artifacts and smoothness.

Post some samples, I'm curious :devil:

DivX 3.11 was just before my time as an encoder... I cut my teeth on Divx5 and early dev-api3 betas of Xvid!

Derek

Here is a sample encoded with DivX 6.8.5, Preset 5:

http://rapidshare.com/files/411620890/DivX.6.8.5.Preset5.avi.html

And here is a sample encoded with x264:

http://rapidshare.com/files/411622815/x264.mkv.html

[AnonCrow]

If you don't like the clean look , why didn't you just disable deblocking altogether and see what it looks like ?

[orion44]

If you don't like the clean look , why didn't you just disable deblocking altogether and see what it looks like ?

I tried all that about a year ago, tested a lot of options,
but I still didn't like the way it looks. At least with DVD's.

Haven't tested it yet with a movie on a Blue-ray.

[SquallMX]

DivX file looks very blurry.
x264 file looks much better.

:helpful:

[orion44]

DivX file looks very blurry.
x264 file looks much better.

:helpful:

Thanks for your opinion.