4k video samples

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Catalyst 10.7 is out, now VLC supports GPU acceleration for my ATI card.
And I was very surprised when I saw that a full HD video wouldn't load the GPU more than 20%, then I thought, well, let's try something bigger!

So I go on Google searching for samples, but I can't find them.
Youtube has a few videos, but they're so compressed I can play them easily with my CPU only.

Does anyone knows where I can find some good quality samples?

[Dark Shikari]

There are a few here. (http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/)

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Cool! I'll be taking a look at that.

[GuilhermeAraujo]

WOW! I've just downloaded a file Crowd.Run.2160p.UHD.CRF25.x264-CtrlHD.mkv (easily found on Google), played with GPU acceleration and my PC just crashed! BSOD and stuff...
However, with GPU acc. disabled, VLC can still render one or two frames.

[nevcairiel]

You should try a 1080p encoded as High@5.1 with a high bandwidth instead of super-scaling the resolution. If your GPU claims full support, it should be able to play 1080p at 120fps with 300Mbit/s.

I don't think any GPU supports decoding of QuadHD, or 4K for that matter.

[littleD]

WOW! I've just downloaded a file Crowd.Run.2160p.UHD.CRF25.x264-CtrlHD.mkv (easily found on Google), played with GPU acceleration and my PC just crashed! BSOD and stuff...
4k support was added to cat 10.4
�� H.264 Level 5.1 support
o ATI Catalyst™ can now playback 5.1 level streams on all supported players
o Allows for playback of high resolutions (4Kx2K)
But what radeon series?

[AlekseiV]

, played with GPU acceleration and my PC just crashed! BSOD and stuff...
However, with GPU acc. disabled, VLC can still render one or two frames.What OS?

[GuilhermeAraujo]

I asked on ATI forums, I was told that videos with more than 2048 columns are not supported and may cause BSOD. Since 2160 > 2048... :(
See here: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=136991&enterthread=y

I'm running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit with an HD4850.

I'll try to find some L5.1 samples then.

Edit: damn hard to find them...

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Can anyone help me finding Level 5.1 samples? I'm having no luck with them.

[Dark Shikari]

I asked on ATI forums, I was told that videos with more than 2048 columns are not supported and may cause BSOD. Since 2160 > 2048... :(
See here: http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=136991&enterthread=y

I'm running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit with an HD4850.

I'll try to find some L5.1 samples then.

Edit: damn hard to find them...2160p is 3840x2160 which is 3840 columns.

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Oops, I meant lines.

[AlekseiV]

Can anyone help me finding Level 5.1 samples? I'm having no luck with them.Why not just resize and reencode your 2160p file to that?

[Ghitulescu]

Is there anything that can natively play 4k? I mean without downconverting for displaying ... Maybe I'm wrong with the question, I simply haven't yet seen 4k displays on the market, I mean for consumer use ...

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Why not just resize and reencode your 2160p file to that?
Well thought!

Is there anything that can natively play 4k? I mean without downconverting for displaying ... Maybe I'm wrong with the question, I simply haven't yet seen 4k displays on the market, I mean for consumer use ...
I read some news saying Toshiba has some TVs, but I'm not sure if they are 2k (more likely) or 4k.

[Dark Shikari]

Well thought!


I read some news saying Toshiba has some TVs, but I'm not sure if they are 2k (more likely) or 4k.There are plenty of "2k" TVs. 2k is really just 1080p.

[Blue_MiSfit]

nuh-UH!!! It's 2048x1080!!! That's TOTALLY better than 1920x1080 :p

I'm surprised how many people mistakenly think 2k means the vertical resolution. Pff...

[GuilhermeAraujo]

I downscaled the video to 1080p, 50 fps with an avarage bitrate of 42 Mbps level 5.1. As expected, no BSODs, but seems it's too much data to proccess.
The video was skipping, showing about 1 frame per 1,5 second, more or less. Most weird, GPU use didn't go above 25%.

I don't know. Plays fine when I remuxed with 25 fps (double length, half bitrate).

2k = 2048x1152. I wouldn't call it "totally better than 1080". Just a little bit.

[Gser]

Shhhiiiaattt Red is going to make a 28,000 × 9,334 (28k) camera. Ultra High Vision here we come!

[kieranrk]

Shhhiiiaattt Red is going to make a 28,000 × 9,334 (28k) camera. Ultra High Vision here we come!

It's Red you're talking about so expect it to arrive the day after Duke Nukem Forever. Only thing powering Red is fanboy energy.

[GuilhermeAraujo]

Using MPC-HC instead of VLC, the video, the playback goes a little smoother, but still unwatchable.
Activating ffdshow DXVA makes it run very smooth, but it doesn't play at 1x, plays at a lower rate.

[Ghitulescu]

Is there anything that can natively play 4k? I mean without downconverting for displaying ... Maybe I'm wrong with the question, I simply haven't yet seen 4k displays on the market, I mean for consumer use ...
So, you don't have a 4k display (BTW, display is not a TV only, can also be a PC monitor), you cannot play the file (natively or downconverted),...
I downscaled the video to 1080p, 50 fps with an avarage bitrate of 42 Mbps level 5.1. As expected, no BSODs, but seems it's too much data to proccess.
The video was skipping, showing about 1 frame per 1,5 second, more or less. Most weird, GPU use didn't go above 25%.
..., you also complain about the amount of data (and it's 4 times less than 4k needs) to process ....
Using MPC-HC instead of VLC, the video, the playback goes a little smoother, but still unwatchable.
Activating ffdshow DXVA makes it run very smooth, but it doesn't play at 1x, plays at a lower rate.
...
there's no standardised interface (for consumer use)...
but you still want to use 4k. It's either extreme ambition or masochism. :p

I don't want to discourage you, just to pinpoint that 4k is not ready for the public.


2k = 2048x1152. I wouldn't call it "totally better than 1080". Just a little bit.
It's the same as 1080p/i, the numbers you have are used in the standard pretty much like the NTSC standard makes use of 525 scanlines. To split the hair, yes 2k is not 1080p, because it's a photographic term, not a cinematographic one, but the reason for 1080p was to accommodate 2k scans within a TV signal.

[poisondeathray]

You can get 4K projectors , and they have been available for a few years. They have come down in price, but still quite expen$ive - not for the general public. But if you can afford a Red One + gear, then you can afford a 4K projector

[GuilhermeAraujo]

@Ghitulescu

Of course I don't plan to use 4k. Not at all. I just wanted to push my video card to the limit to see if it was able to handle it.
Even because ATI says it supports 4K x 2K and level 5.1 videos. Looks like it doesn't, after all...

Edit: I don't know if I'm doing everything fine. I converted to 720p with constant quality at 10. Got a 78.9 Mbps file, and it plays fine and smooth. Then set quality to 4, got a 118 Mbps and still is OK.

[Dark Shikari]

@Ghitulescu

Of course I don't plan to use 4k. Not at all. I just wanted to push my video card to the limit to see if it was able to handle it.
Even because ATI says it supports 4K x 2K and level 5.1 videos. Looks like it doesn't, after all...2160p videos play fine on my ATI HD4670 using the overlay renderer.

[GuilhermeAraujo]

2160p videos play fine on my ATI HD4670 using the overlay renderer.
What is this "overlay renderer"? Is it something I can activate/deactivate?

[Dark Shikari]

What is this "overlay renderer"? Is it something I can activate/deactivate?It's just the fastest (and simplest) renderer option in MPC-HC...

[Blue_MiSfit]

Indeed. I think it's called "Overlay Mixer".

D_S, do you use DXVA or software decoding for this? I'm assuming DXVA from the context..

Derek

[Dark Shikari]

Indeed. I think it's called "Overlay Mixer".

D_S, do you use DXVA or software decoding for this? I'm assuming DXVA from the context..

DerekSoftware; DXVA is laughably slow.

[Blue_MiSfit]

I see. I thought you were saying that your 4670's ASIC could handle 4K H.264 decode, which was SLIGHTLY unexpected.

I'm sure anyone with a modest dual core could play a "4k" video file if it's average bitrate was like 5mbps ;)

[NikosD]

I see. I thought you were saying that your 4670's ASIC could handle 4K H.264 decode, which was SLIGHTLY unexpected.

I'm sure anyone with a modest dual core could play a "4k" video file if it's average bitrate was like 5mbps ;)

I have an ATI 5750 card - UVD 2.2 - Win 7 x64 and Catalyst 10.8 -C2D-E7300

It is very difficult to play the new 4K videos by YouTube in CPU only at x1 speed. With the sample below I get ~18fps

Sample here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/414985529/YouTube_-_Troya_HD_Test_4_4096_x_2304_23.97_fps.mp4.html

But the main problem is that DXVA mode to such clips -UHD- gives BSOD with VLC, MPC-HC internal DXVA codec, FFDshow DXVA and DivX DXVA.

WMP12 and PowerDVD 10 give black screen and audio decoding.

It SHOULD work according to ATI release notes, but it seems they haven't opened the feature yet or the ASIC of UVD 2.2 is not fast enough.

[vanden]

Centralization of some 4k samples :

3840x2160/29.970fps/50Mbits(Constant) (http://depositfiles.com/files/3usxranbg) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2148840)

3840x2160/119.880fps/100Mbits :
Girls.Generation.Oh.4in1.201002.HDTV.x264.2160p.120fps.DTSES.6.1ch.mkv (http://dl.free.fr/ehLOtWnBP)
Or
ed2k://|file|Girls.Generation.Oh.4in1.201002.HDTV.x264.2160p.120fps.DTSES.6.1ch.mkv|2706942815|70cf7fd7e1dd0b61cae96dff22d99bc5|h=bwg7va6gmcdomin6orcreagnxvr5adlb|/
Or
Girls.Generation.Oh.4in1.201002.HDTV.x264.2160p.120fps.DTSES.6.1ch.part1.rar (http://115.com/file/clozg3pv#)
Girls.Generation.Oh.4in1.201002.HDTV.x264.2160p.120fps.DTSES.6.1ch.part2.rar (http://115.com/file/aqajzuuw#)
Girls.Generation.Oh.4in1.201002.HDTV.x264.2160p.120fps.DTSES.6.1ch.part3.rar (http://115.com/file/aqaj7hys#)
For Download : pressed the green button.


I also encoded sequences (the same as in the link given by Dark Shikari / CrowdRun_ParkJoy_DucksTakeOff_InToTree_OldTownCross), but into a single file.
The original 16-bit SGI Images are available here:
ftp://vqeg.its.bldrdoc.gov/HDTV/SVT_MultiFormat/2160p50_CgrLevels_Master_SVTdec05_/

Available in diferents, Framerate/Bitrate.

Quality Blu-Ray (equivalent to 1080p/25fps/30Mbits/BitPixel0.579) :
- 3840x2160/25fps/120Mbits/NormalMotion (https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antivirus&id=0Bz0M4rIwHYydN21YNjY3MDJQX2M) (only half of the images are encoded) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2143077)
- 3840x2160/25fps/120Mbits/SlowMotion (http://infonetservices02.chez.com/NoiseRed-25fps-SlowMotion-120mbs.mkv) (Frame Rate slows @ 25fps) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2148837)
- 3840x2160/50fps/240Mbits/NormalMotion/OriginalFramrate :
For this file, just remux (3840x2160/25fps/120Mbits/SlowMotion) with mkvtoolnix and change the framerate @ 50fps (50p).

Quality BD9 (equivalent to 1080p/25fps/9Mbits/BitPixel0.174) :
- 3840x2160/25fps/36Mbits/NormalMotion (https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antivirus&id=0Bz0M4rIwHYydSjJXcmRoYV9FN3M) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2141554)
- 3840x2160/25fps/36Mbits/SlowMotion (https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antivirus&id=0Bz0M4rIwHYydMXdzMllaRE05SUU) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2143128)
- 3840x2160/50fps/72Mbits/NormalMotion/OriginalFramrate :
For this file, just remux (3840x2160/25fps/36Mbits/SlowMotion) with mkvtoolnix and change the framerate @ 50fps (50p).

Lower quality (equivalent to 1080p/25fps/5.625Mbits/BitPixel0.109) :
- 3840x2160/25fps/22.5Mbits/SlowMotion :
For this file, just remux (3840x2160/50fps/45Mbits/NormalMotion/OriginalFramrate) with mkvtoolnix and change the framerate @ 25fps (25p).
- 3840x2160/50fps/45Mbits/NormalMotion/OriginalFramrate (http://infonetservices02.chez.com/NoiseRed-50fps-45mbs.mkv) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2148836)


I also encoded various "RED" clips into a single file, original R3D files are available here:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?66510-So-what-can-you-do-with-a-Scarlet-X
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?42130-M-X-REEL-R3D-s
http://www.bealecorner.org/red/test-080108/page2.html

Quality Blu-Ray (equivalent to 1080p/23.976fps/28.1Mbits/BitPixel0.566)
- 4096x2160/23.976fps/120Mbits (https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antivirus&id=0Bz0M4rIwHYydejljZlFwZHZrMnc) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2148838)

Quality BD9 (equivalent to 1080p/23.976fps/8.45Mbits/BitPixel0.170)
- 4096x2160/23.976fps/36Mbits (https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antivirus&id=0Bz0M4rIwHYydeTFyNUUyOTRlbGc) or Mirror (http://e-nautia.com/disk/download.php?id=2148839)


All my encoding is done in 3 pass


EDIT
One another : SINTEL
Original 4k png/tiff (16 or 8 bpp) (http://media.xiph.org/sintel/)

And official H264 version (equivalent to 1080p/24fps/11.6Mbits/BitPixel0.233) :
- 4096x1744/24fps/40Mbits (http://download.blender.org/durian/movies/Sintel.2010.4k.mkv)

[TheElix]

Thanks a lot, vanden! But it's going to take several days to direct download some of these files (2 Gb, for example). Maybe make a torrent with all these files and put it somewhere? For example, here: http://rutracker.org/forum/index.php

[vanden]

Establishment of a miror for all files

[pokazene_maslo]

Maybe first commercial movie available to end users in 4K: http://timescapes.org
TimeScapes was shot in 5K resolution on Red Epic and Canon DLSR cameras, edited in 4K

[vanden]

Maybe first commercial movie available to end users in 4K: http://timescapes.org
TimeScapes was shot in 5K resolution on Red Epic and Canon DLSR cameras, edited in 4K
Ok I just tested the x264 version (TimeScapes.2012.2304p.CineForm.x264-WiKi).

The resolution is not perfect all the time. Sometimes there are jagged edges ... it's better than 2K but not perfect all the time ...
TimeScapes1.jpg
(http://infonetservices02.chez.com/TimeScapes1.jpg)TimeScapes2.jpg (http://infonetservices02.chez.com/TimeScapes2.jpg)

If anyone has tested the Cineform version can confirm that the same thing ?

[kolak]

There is clearly some issue there.
Looks similar like when you interpret progressive footage as interlaced :)