cce freeze

[jonnie]

OK I know this has been covered extenesively, but here goes, I looked through all the forums and being a newbie I am getting more and more confused.

I am using a PIII 733Mhz 512mb Win2000 Prof, dvd2svcd ver1.0.6 build 2

I am trying to do Scary Movie PAL no subtitles audio just English

Whilst writing the .mpv it completed 35.6% and then frooze, I'm doing 3 VBR passes, so I assume that means it completed the 1st pass and then stalled.

I followed the settings on http://www.doom9.org/mpg/dvd2svcd.htm exactly as shown, yet I seen a number of suggestions recommending changing the bitrate settings yet nobody seems too sure.

What about issues regarding long credits at the end of the movie ?

I upgraded from 64mb to 128mb and more recently to 512mb, my virtual memory is set at min 96mb max 192mb does this need changing ?

What about 2 x 256mb, there is some talk about using just 1 x 256mb ?

Should TemporalSmoothing be ticked or not ?

Is it worth changing any of the above and then running crash recovery ?

All of the above are issues I've picked up from the various forums but can't find any confermation as to if they work or not.

Lastly what about DVD2SVCD ver 1.0.6 build 2 will this help ?

By the way I love Apple and Cherry Pie and am willing to try any other flavours that come along !!!!!
:D

[gerti67]

Hi jonnie,

since CCE froze t 35.6% it was at the beginning of the movie, so maybe not encoding the credits (only possible before encoding, when they are a single chapter) won't help. Perhaps the problem is with high contrast scenes in the beginning.

But anyway, you could try to use the newly introduced "safe mode" since 1.0.6 Build 2 Pre 1 which will slow down the whole CCE encoding step by about 30% but at least it cured the CCE issues for some. - Did you already try that? You only have to check the "Safe mode (VFAPI slow)" Option in CCE tab to use it.

With the memory you could try to use some safer settings within your BIOS setup - just to check out if it is a memory issue. One can never know. Though i don't think that your virtual memory will be the reason for the stall because of your 512 MB.

Using Temporal Smoother helps compression when doing a 1 Pass VBR or CBR encode - i think it is not necessary when doing a 3 Pass VBR (I don't use it with 3 or 4 passes). I would only go for that when you want long movies to fit on 2 CD-Rs.

It is a long way to find out but it's the only way, i think.

HTH,
gerti67

[markrb]

First I am mad because you got your Avatar to work. I have been trying for weeks and no go. I did everything Doom9 said to. I will not give up.

Anyway to answer your question about CCE the bottom line is your guess is as good as ours. It seems to be a bug in CCE the affects some while not affecting others.

Try removing 1 stick and running it at 1 x 256.
Try making the difference greater between Max and Max Avg.
Try using crash recovery.
Try using the new beta's and using safe mode with 2.5.
Try using safe mode with CCE 2.62(only works in safe mode of the beta's and much slower at that.)
Try, Try, Try. Everything I have ever read leads me to one conclusion. There seems to be no one set answer. What works for some does not work for others.

Temporal Smoother has been discussed at length in other posts. I suggest using the search and reading the huge amount of info on that.
I use 4 Pass VBR and do not use TS.
People have good luck with TS and 1 Pass VBR and CBR.

Cherry Pie is so 80's. Although I did see Warrant in concert last year. I didn't go for them they were opening for Poison.

Mark

[jonnie]

any guess for the bitrate ?

[gerti67]

I'm using 2450 for Max, 300 for Min, leave Min avg. unchecked and use 2250 for Max avg. for about 30 encodes so far - with no freezes!

Greetings,
gerti67

[gerti67]

@markrb:

Seems that it works today (with the avatar) as i also tried this some days ago with no success. Just a few minutes ago it worked.

Just chose the pic from my HD and it was was uploaded by pressing "submit" button.

Greetings,
gerti67

[Kandor]

I am one of those that never had a problem beside the crc error issue.
But try tsunamis patcher to disable CRC checking and avs instead of avi maybe it will work for you too.
and about the 33% in the begining, I dont think so, if you did a 3 pass encode that would make it in the end of the first pass when creating the mpv file. so it will be the credits.
atleast thats what I think

[gerti67]

@Kandor:

As he said, it was at 35.6% so it must have been just the beginning (100 : 3 = 33.3%, so it was at 2.3% of the second pass). Whenever i watched the CCE progress window i could see that the file size CCE showed just started from 0 KB after those 33.3% (and 66.6%) with a 3 Pass VBR.

Greetings,
gerti67

[jonnie]

If anyone is interested in my update, I installed ver 1.0.6 build 2 Pre 8, ticked safe mode and set the bitrate to max 2450 min 300 max avg 2250,

I got past the 33% stage and then froze at 66%, with the message system resource low and something about vitual memory being too low. I ran the crash recovery and end all processes in the task manager that I wasn't using, currently cce is at 74% of the .mpv and moving along nicely, fingers crossed,
memory usage is fluctuating between 676728 and 677272 out of 681016

3 hrs to go !!!!!

I'll let you know tomorrow !!!!

[fgm]

Originally posted by jonnie
......I am using a PIII 733Mhz 512mb Win2000 Prof, dvd2svcd ver1.0.6 build 2
.......
I upgraded from 64mb to 128mb and more recently to 512mb, my virtual memory is set at min 96mb max 192mb does this need changing ?


First, your virtual memory for W2K is too low. Second, don't use a min and max number. I would recommend a fixed amount for both min and max of +750 MB. I have a similar configuration to yours (dual PIII 700 MHz and 512 MB) and what I did was rescue an old 1GB disk drive and use it only for pagefile purposes: min=1GB, max=1GB. If anyone does this I would also recommend setting up a small (20 MB or 40 MB) pagefile on your WINNT partition because if that old drive dies, then you would have a lot of trouble booting to W2K.

[markrb]

Too much swap can make your system performance suffer with Windows. This is because by default Windows will put memory segments into swap even if there is plenty of space after a specified period of time. The more swap you give Windows the more is flushed from memory and put on the much slower disk drive.
Putting the swap on it's own drive or partition is recomended, but the older and slower the drive the worse the performance. This will keep the swap from becoming fragmented. Even better is splitting swap space among two drives if they are both fast.
With 512MB or greater many experts actually say not to use swap at all with desktops, but because CCE is such a memory hog I would set it to at least 256mb or at the absolute most 512mb.

Here is a guide for setting the virtual memory. I don't completely agree with it, but it's the best one I can find on short notice.
http://www.3dspotlight.com/tweaks/memory-win2k/index.shtml

Mark

[chainsaw135]

Yeah I normally mess around with the swap file..settings and mostly i would do a dual swap on 2 drives..ect well when i started using cce i had problems and just did all kinds of tests and finally figured that swap was a major issue i have 512megs of ram ddr and i figured 768swap size was good enough in most cases it is..but not with this program ..i just went back 2 letting windows xp manage the swap file and 2 be honest the performance drop I dont notice..and no crashes with cce..moral of this story sometimes even little things can cause such a program 2 act crazy.

@Mark Sounds like we have the same version of windows xp

[markrb]

If you use XP take a look at these two great Tweak guides. In this case #9 of XP tweak guide one applies. It changes the way Windows XP pages out memory to swap.
Both guides are very good although I couldn't get a couple of them to work. It is most likely due to the fact I have the Corporate Pro edition. Be warned that many of these tweaks require you to edit the registry.

www.tweaktown.com/document.php?dType=guide

There are also some very good XP tweaks to be found here.

www.tweakxp.com/tweakxp/

Mark