for fun

[Kandor]

I set the highest avrage to the same as highest bitrate possible and still no problem in CCE. but it could be the movie I tried.
Saving private ryan on 3 cds (lousy quality, only for testing) 4 pass encoding.
no problem could someone that has cce problems confirm if this movie is a problem maker or not?


//Kandor

[DDogg]

SPR is absolutely notorious for being difficult to encode. You are among good company if you had trouble with good quality. :)

[Kandor]

That I know of what I wondered was if that paticular movie had problems with cce lockup that everyone is having with shrek and other movies.
I dont have shrek so I cant try that one.
I am interested in finding out if the crashes has something to do with special movis on a special version of cce.
was not conserned with the quality as I have tried encoding the movie many times before at mpeg2 dvd res, divx, vcd, svcd so I know it is a damn hard movie to compress with good quality.

[DDogg]

Sorry, I read your post too quick. SPR does not cause cce any special problems that I am aware of.

[Kandor]

Ok thanks for the info. do you know any movie that does that is not to new like shrek.
I havent bought any dvds in a while. I would like to try out and see for my self.
I havent had time to watch movies in about 6 months so no bought movies in that time either.

[DDogg]

This is what makes me crazy. I have *never* had a problem with cce in several hundred rips on three machines.

Don't get me wrong as I am counting my blessings in many ways, but I wish at least one machine would have a problem so I could assist dvd2svcd. This is such a weird, strange voodoo curse kind of problem/thing. We just can not pin it down. The newer version has vfapi which should always work, albeit somewhat slower.

[SiliconSoul]

what version are u using?

is your cce C r a C k E D? or did you buy the full version?

if you do not want to answer the second question just pm... i want to know... its pissing me off that im having problem with almost every dvd or divx or avi that i want to do a multi pass encode on!

:(

[chainsaw135]

Yeah i am not much help on that subject either because i've only had cce fail when i set my virutal memory 2 a level that was low.......and everytime everymovie if I set it back it never fails:(
I'm like mister tester I love doing those types of things but cant get cce 2 crash no other way...

[Kandor]

DDOGG I dont have any problems either with cce. but thought maybe I havent tried the right movie for it to fail. but it does seem to be the cce that other uses that is f****d up.
or something in there systems.

SiliconSoul

and for the question about if it is bought or cracked.
go figure out that your self, wont answer to that


but it seems that the bitrate thing that dvd2svcd think is the problem is the problem but I guess the problem is probebly there only if you have a sertian version of cce or something. because I dont have any problems either.

[ScooterMyth]

Here's something to chew on that probably will not have anything to do with anything! :)

I get realtime encodes with CCE using CBR. Every now and then I want that "perfect" encode and will do 5 pass VBR.

Once in a while while doing these 5 pass VBR encodes I will glance over at my encoding machine and see that CCE appears to have hung. This encoding machine is a dual P3-700@933 w/512mb Ram running on WinXP. If I watch long enough I start to see some movement in the frame count - 5 frames or so incrementing. This will go on for some time (5-20 minutes) then the process seems to break out of this logjam and continues to encode at "normal" speed. It's almost as if my PC is "muscling through" some kind of processing bottleneck.

What this is I cannot say. It probably is nothing but maybe a clue as to what is going on. Maybe the dual processors are able to overcome this bottleneck whereas single processor units can't.

There it is for what it's worth. Probably nothing but I'm just a lowly user and not a programmer and maybe it will provide DVD2SVCD with something to think about.

Scooter

[Slick]

I am also one of the fortunate ones who does not usually have problems with CCE.

I use 1.05 build 4 due to the audio problem in the latest versions using besweet.
however yesterday I tried encoding stargate directors cut.
I tried it twice with Vbr 4 pass & same setting as previous 4 movies.
it froze both times in CCE at 6% :confused:

when I ran it at CBR no problems.

I set it going again this morning with bigger differential between max & average bitrate & set to use 3 disks.
it was running at 8% in CCE when I left for work :)

aint life a bitch.

[SiliconSoul]

Kandor
okay yeah with the full or other i figured other...

chainsaw

i have virtual memory on but windows sets the amount... maybe i should set it to like 1 gig of virtual memory and see if it likes that!

ScooterMyth

i have any athlon xp 1700+ and it does not move once it freezes no frames going even slow.. i even let it run an extra 12 hours one time and still nothing! at the same point where it stopped.


Slick

how do i set it to make it use 3 cds?
higher bitrate?

and im going to do just cbr till this problem gets some light or i figure it out... :-)

what settings do i need to use to get great quality 2-3 cd ( i do not care i want it to look good), cbr encode... i normaly have been putting my min at 1000 or a little higher and what is the max bitrate i can use? my player can deal with about 3000. and my max avg is about 2300-1600
this is when i was going vbr and it worked... which now it does not...

so what im really asking is it possible to get even close to multiple pass vbr with cbr?

[Slick]

O.K. @siliconsoul
maximum bitrate is 2723 so if you are encoding audio @ 224 then that leaves you 2299 as a maximum.
look at how long the movie is ie: 105mins now look at bitrate in dvd2svcd.
with default values you will see a figure of between 100 & 120 mins using 2 cd's
change the number of cd's to "3"
the bitrate count in the right hand box will increase.
now change your maximum bitrate setting at the bottom to whatever you have left after the audio less 100.
set the average bitrate to the same amount.
set image quality priority to 17 (default) & away you go.
a movie of 105 mins will use maximum average bitrate over 3 cd's.
a bitrate of 2000 or over should give very good quality.

hope this helps.

[xrv1138]

slick
am i missing something here
2723-224 = 2499
where did the extra 200 go ?

[SiliconSoul]

okay ic now... so you take the length of the movie... then how many cds you want to use.... and then it tells you the max avg bitrate? or is that the max?

wow sometimes i must be on Crack! i must smoke it when im asleep! cause i sure as hell do not when im awake! its too expensive!

:D

okay slick i kinda understand now thanks! a little more than i did before!

[markrb]

SiliconSoul some may argue this point with me, but a CBR setting of 2500 will look as good if not better then a VBR setting of 2500 MAX.
Consider the reasons behind this. VBR modifies bitrates based on CCE's percieved need for them based on complexity. This is why it takes longer. CCE needs to figure out where to allocate the bits. The more passes it does the better it is able to figure this out.
CBR alocates the same amount of bits to each scene no matter what. Less to figure out and thus less time and fewer passes needed.
Also there are no mistakes made as to the bitrates needed for a particular scene thus better video quality.
There is a catch. A CBR video encoded with the same setting as VBR MAX will always end up with larger files and thus more discs may be needed.
Reasons for the smaller size a VBR encode produces are simple. A video does not always need a high bitrate. Very often you can easily get by with half or less of the Max. To get a CBR encode to fit the number of discs a VBR encode can fit very often you will need to drop the bitrate. In this case a good VBR will come out better.

Is CBR better then VBR answer=Yes
Is VBR better then CBR answer=Yes
Each has it's own strengths.

Mark

[SiliconSoul]

so even a 1 pass vbr should be smaller than cbr... and might fit on less discs! sweet!
correct me if im wrong

[DDogg]

SiliconSoul,

That would depend a lot on what the "Q" is set to. The lower the Q the more bitrate is used to attemp to keep the measure of quality at a rate of 5, which is a very high quality indeed.

Markrb,
In fact, I have wondered lately if setting the Q to 5 (or any low, low setting) does not, infact, create nearly a CBR encode. Size becomes predictable when using Q this low/. That flies in the face of the nature of VBR, don't you think? That leads me to think a low Q, while it does create an excellent quality one-pass, is not much different from CBR. I not suggesting this is correct, just something banging around in my head.

Make any sense?

[24hourloop]

'Q' stands for Quantitization factor. My poor knowledge of MPEG compression allows me to state that this is the factor indicating how similar certain areas of the image must be to be considered for compression.

A high value indicates that they will be compressed even if the difference is high, a lower value only allows compression when the areas are fairly close.

Bitrateviewer (especially the latest version, try it out) lets you nicely examine the results of different quantitization values.

I would tend to believe that setting this to a very low value will essentially give you CBR and that is undesirable because you want to save the bandwidth for where you really need it.

[DDogg]

Just shorthand. lower q = Higher Quality A Quantitization factor of 5 is a good target to achieve Hgh Quality. As for bitrate vierer it is very good but it amazes me how many people have never clicked on the advanced button in CCE. All the information you need is there to maximize the quality of an encoding. See Robshots articles and posts in CCE forum. They will provide a good primer for you 24hourzero.