In Like Flint kicking my butt

[asaman]

To all you pros,

The movie In Like Flint has been my bane for almost a month it has so many defects (its a DVD from FOX) that if I use ReMoveGrain,UnDot and YAHR, for some of the faults its way to soft . I tried UnFiter , FQFocusDeFocus, with so so results. Has someone tried cleaning/restoring this movie with any success , if so could you tell me what filter's were used and what order they were in. One last thing are there any filters made for black and white film(In Harms Way) .

Thanks from the land of Le Bon Temps Roule!!!:D

[Lyle_JP]

If you want to remove massive grain while preserving details, you need a motion-compensated grain remover. Try MDegrain2, part of the mvtools v2 package (the .html that comes with the filter will give you examples on how to use it).

There may be other problems besides grain. Is there heavy block noise? Try BlindPP or the cpu=4 parameter in DGDecode first (before the grain reduction step). Is there combing? If so you will need to index the whole thing at 29.96 fps and IVTC.

Note: ALL forms of noise reduction harm the picture to some extent. The question is whther or not the noise you leave in will make things better or worse when encoding. Good luck.

[Nightshiver]

How about posting a sample, that would help even more.

[Lyle_JP]

Example of MDegrain2:

super = MSuper()
backward_vec2 = MAnalyse(super, isb = true, delta = 2, overlap=4)
backward_vec1 = MAnalyse(super, isb = true, delta = 1, overlap=4)
forward_vec1 = MAnalyse(super, isb = false, delta = 1, overlap=4)
forward_vec2 = MAnalyse(super, isb = false, delta = 2, overlap=4)
MDegrain2(super, backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=400)

MSuper, MAnalyze, and MDegrain are all part of MVtools v2, which you can download here (http://avisynth.org.ru/mvtools/mvtools-v2.5.10.zip).

[Nightshiver]

Just in case you were wondering, I wasn't talking to you lyle.

[asaman]

Sure on posting a sample . It will take about a day to post because Mardi Gras has started here ( I repair streetcars) it gets busy here for the next 21 days , and to Lyle_JP I didn't think about MDeGrain2 , it doesn't appear to have any blocking , and thanks for the sample I'll give it a try. I'm new at posting here , is there a preferred site or place to post the sample and what size , single frames or a a movie clip?

Thanks to all for the help.

[manono]

is there a preferred site or place to post the sample and what size , single frames or a a movie clip?
Open a VOB in DGIndex and use the [ and ] buttons to isolate a ten second piece that shows the problem. Go File->Save Project and Demux Video. Upload the resulting M2V to a file sharing site, one such as SendSpace or MediaFire. Post the link here.

[asaman]

Will do manono .

Thanks

[asaman]

Files 1 and 4 are about 30-40 seconds long so you can get a good look , files 2 and 3are much shorter . Here's the link :

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=41aac8fcbeb3ecc60f83d91f6dff7c38ba6ee79ce23cf05164328c9cace34742

Thanks
P.S. Hope I got it right.

[manono]

Just to play the Devil's Advocate for a second; I like grain. Movies, particularly movies from that period, have lots of glorious grain. Why do anything to it? After all, it's a movie and not real life. Most attempts to remove, or even to lessen it, will only serve to soften the image, as you've discovered. Sure, you can use a good temporal cleaner followed by trying to resharpen it, but what's the point?

That said, if it bothers you take Lyle_JP's suggestion and see if you like the results.

[Nightshiver]

Well at least it's soft telecined. I'd also like to agree with manono, at least with this source. This is "good" grain, and doesn't do anything bad for the picture, especially since it's so old. But, if you do want it gone, we can do that to.
This actually doesn't look that bad, so I don't know where you're getting the "so many problems." The only so-called problem is one that isn't really a problem, and that's the grain that you want gone and to sharpen it up.

MPEG2Source("D:\flint1.d2v", cpu=0)
source = last
vectors = source.MVAnalyseMulti(refframes=3, pel=2, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
source.MVDegrainMulti(vectors,thSAD=600,idx=1)
SSSharp(ssw=true, iter=2, strength=3)
Tweak(cont=1.0,sat=1.0,bright=0, hue=0)
crop( 2, 54, -2, -58)
Spline36Resize(720,304)

SSSharp is found here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=132330) Make sure to read about the other plug-ins you need to make it work.

[asaman]

Well what got me was I saw it in HD on Dish and it was soo clean I felt like I was back at at the movies in my younger years . That said I will give both suggestions a spin and see what looks best to me( oops used the b word ). Nightshiver it looks like you saw the color off also . One last thing on the filters for black and white film I have quite a few B&W's that I want too do minor cleaning on ( Flying Leather Necks, Metropolis , etc..) . Will update later with some clips.

Thanks for all the help.
" Who Dat "

[Nightshiver]

Problem is, you won't be able to replicate what you saw, as those companies can afford multi-million dollar tech that you can't, or at the very least, professionals and professional hardware.