problems decrypting UP

[surge0]

has anyone had any luck? tried dvd fab.

[Adub]

Are you using the latest version of DVD FAB Decrypter? And what exactly are you decrypting? DVD or BD? If you want help, we need more information.

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@surge0

Hi!

I'm presuming you're inquiring about the standard DVD:

Presently freeware, "MakeMKV" (without the need of any other program) can readily process "Up" and generate a movie-only MKV. When the first pass analysis is complete, select the 4.6Gb Title...

BTW - "MakeMKV" appears to (again, without the need of any other program) readily process the two disc BluRay version of "Up" and generate a movie-only MKV - and separate MKVs for the extras, if you wish;>} The only caveat regarding the BluRay version is that you have to determine which of the three 17Gb "angles" (news headlines, etc.) you want - first is English, second is Spanish, third is French.

[surge0]

i have tried dvdfab 412.0 and also 6.0.7.0 with continous error problems.

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@surgeo

Have you as yet tried "MakeMKV", as I suggested?

[layer3maniac]

An mkv isn't exactly the same thing as a clean rip to backup a DVD.

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@layermaniac

Hi!

It provides a perfectly "clean"/viable/playable "movie-only" for PC and "home theater" setups, with no loss of quality, and, if need be, can be readily converted to DVD format with the simple use of free "DVDFlick" (or several other similar programs)...

BTW - Have you purchased and ripped this DVD? If so, what did you use to rip it?

[layer3maniac]

AnyDVD

[Peer van Heuen]

has anyone had any luck? tried dvd fab.

Just use AnyDVD, handles it fine.

[setarip_old]

It's always nice to have alternatives ;>}

[Ghitulescu]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=150623

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@Ghitulescu

Since you'rer pointing to an earlier post of mine, I'll ask you, what's your point?

This DVD and BluRay were released today...

[iguana69347]

So what version of AnyDVD worked? I'm using 6.5.9.5 and it won't even open it. I downloaded MakeMKV and DVD Flick. MakeMKV made 4 different title files. When I tried using DVD Flick it had errors encoding the video on all 4 titles so I got nowhere. Any new ideas?

[Peer van Heuen]

So what version of AnyDVD worked? I'm using 6.5.9.5 and it won't even open it. I downloaded MakeMKV and DVD Flick. MakeMKV made 4 different title files. When I tried using DVD Flick it had errors encoding the video on all 4 titles so I got nowhere. Any new ideas?

The current release version is 6.6.0.0, that will handle it fine.
Though due to a minor bug it will not remove the region code.
The Beta 6.6.0.2 will fix that too, though:
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=228490#post228490

[Ghitulescu]

@Ghitulescu

Since you'rer pointing to an earlier post of mine, I'll ask you, what's your point?

This DVD and BluRay were released today...

I know it was pointed by you, it contains the same question. So it should get probably the same answers.

I am used to search before asking. And I very much dislike to find 1001 identical questions with probably only 1 answer. Because it wastes my time and probably others time, just to screen 1001 topics hoping for something new.

[iguana69347]

I just installed AnyDVD 6.0.0.3 Final and it worked like a champ. That's the latest release now.
Thank you!!

[TBONEU]

Hi all,

I used MakeMKV on UP and it worked fine. Now I have four .mkv files of the movie. Which app works for joining all the .mkv files together? Any free app suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Peer van Heuen]

I just installed AnyDVD 6.0.0.3 Final and it worked like a champ. That's the latest release now.
Thank you!!

What adds to the confusion is that there seems to be a bunch of those DVDs with manufacturing errors. Users are reporting replaced discs that fixed their problems, so just in case anyone still has problems with AnyDVD >= 6.0.0.2....

[spamlover]

I used AnyDvd 6.6.0.3 and it ripped the movie perfectly, but no menu. Did anyone else have this problem? I'd love to hear from you guys and gals.

Thanks,

Spammy

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@TBONEUNow I have four .mkv files of the movie.Hi!

I presume you're referring to the standard DVD and not the BluRay.

You don't have to do any joining (That's already been automatically done by "MakeMKV"). The full movie-only one is the MKV that is 4.61GB (4,842,437KB).

On the other hand, if you're referring to the BluRay version:

There are 3 primary MKVs of approximately 17Gbs each. These represent 3 "angles" of the same videostream. The first one is English (news headlines are in English), the second is Spanish, and the third is French. Simply choose the one you prefer...

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@spamlover

Did you play your original, purchased BluRay disc to see if it too has no menu?

[dhshags]

Can someone explane

[dhshags]

So I saved the file using makeMKV, now, how do I get this movie to a DVD? Do I have to convert to ISO file, If so, how?
Do I drag and drop somewhere? I'm not that clever with my computer as some of you are. I need detailed information.

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@Peer van Heuen

You've posted the following about two different recent DVD releases from two different studios:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1336529&postcount=19

The latest AnyDVD (since 6.5.9.4, current is 6.5.9.5) should be handling this disc fine, though I've heard that a bunch of those discs have a bad pressing. That makes it hard to tell protection issues from manufacturing faults.


http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1342919&postcount=18

What adds to the confusion is that there seems to be a bunch of those DVDs with manufacturing errors. Users are reporting replaced discs that fixed their problems, so just in case anyone still has problems with AnyDVD >= 6.0.0.2....

1) Is there some common factor regarding Paramount and Disney (same production facility? I doubt it), or possibly just coincidental?

2) It's curious that there have been no postings at Doom9 indicating such a problem and then confirming resolution of the problem by obtasining replacement discs.

3) Would you please provide links to postings, at any forum, regarding these possible pressing problems.

[Inspector.Gadget]

If you want an ISO, don't use MakeMKV. It isn't set up for image ripping and you'll need to rip every PGC and then reauthor and then somehow get the original menus, etc. Major PITA.

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@dhshags

Hi!So I saved the file using makeMKV, now, how do I get this movie to a DVD?


It provides a perfectly "clean"/viable/playable "movie-only" .MKV for PC and "home theater" setups, with no loss of quality, and, if need be, can be readily converted to DVD format with the simple use of free "DVDFlick" (or several other similar programs)...

[Peer van Heuen]

@Peer van Heuen

You've posted the following about two different recent DVD releases from two different studios:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1336529&postcount=19




http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1342919&postcount=18



1) Is there some common factor regarding Paramount and Disney (same production facility? I doubt it), or possibly just coincidental?

2) It's curious that there have been no postings at Doom9 indicating such a problem and then confirming resolution of the problem by obtasining replacement discs.

3) Would you please provide links to postings, at any forum, regarding these possible pressing problems.

I won't start speculating about studios with possible difficulties here.
Our support team just had quite a few cases recently where people - after everything else failed - were encouraged to return the discs for exchange and it helped.
That happens every now an then as we all know, it was somewhat accumulating with those recent blockbusters.

That may just be because the movies are very popular and therefore mean absolutely nothing.

But there also have been speculations about overall quality going down slightly in the past. I don't know, I'm just passing it on.

[slk001]

I used AnyDvd 6.6.0.3 and it ripped the movie perfectly, but no menu. Did anyone else have this problem? I'd love to hear from you guys and gals.

Thanks,

Spammy

I also noticed that there is no menu on the DVD version of the movie. I don't do many Disney movies, so I don't know if this is standard authoring for them.

With all the other crap on this disk, I do find it strange that no menu exists.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

I also noticed that there is no menu on the DVD version of the movie. I don't do many Disney movies, so I don't know if this is standard authoring for them.

With all the other crap on this disk, I do find it strange that no menu exists.

It would appear that there is no menu on the rental version of this US release of UP. I haven't seen this before from a big studio but I can't say that I'm surprised. Lately it would seem that more and more movie releases have 2-disc editions released, as well. Renters and people who buy the single-disc edition get Disc 1 which is little more than the movie. Maybe sub-titles and audio language choices. The second disc has bonus content. With this release there are apparently no sub-title or audio choices so there really is absolutely no reason to have a menu.

In the specific case of this release, I have to believe that it is intended for rental only in the US because a DVD release lacking sub-titles and/or audio languages other than English is not a good move, IMHO. I can see it becoming the new "in" thing, however. Even some BD rentals have absolutely nothing other than the movie while the retail version contains commentary, etc, but at least they have a menu.

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@DrinkLyeAndDye

Hi!With this release there are apparently no sub-title or audio choices so there really is absolutely no reason to have a menu.
Unless the .IFOs are specifically written to preclude normal access, both subtitles and languages can be accessed via the remote - so that even if subtitles and alternate languages were on the "menuless" disc, they could still be accessed via the remote.

If you read a little deeper into what's being done, I'd suggest that it is a new attempt to limit the "universe" that might avail itself to illegally disseminated DVDs. Essentially, I believe we are seeing a new approach to "regionalizing" DVDs. I'm fairly certain that the studios will release the same titles with Spanish-only, French-only, German-only, etc. versions in pertinent regions. At least theoretically, this would require those offering such illegal videos to to use three, four, or perhaps, five times the storage space presently required, as well accurate notation regarding language versions - unless, of course, the purchased versions will continue to have alternate languages and subtitles...

I foresee this resulting in complaints by a VERY small minority of DVD customers who don't speak the primary language of the regions they live in, but do speak one of the alternative languages that are typically included as either audiostreams or subtitles or both.

If the intention is to stop people from renting and copying DVDs, it's my speculation that the studios/MPAA may "shoot themselves in the foot" and alienate the vast majority of honest rental customers who believe they are entitled to view the same product as they're "full purchase" brethren are. I also believe they'll alientate the rental companies as well, as they (the rental companies) will undoubtedly bear the brunt of customer dissatisfaction, as well as the threat of reduced customer activity.

And a final possible reason behind this could be that the studios/MPAA/SONY are trying to convince the masses to convert more quickly to BluRay - and foster new equipment sales and higher disc/unit pricing yields.

Perhaps I'm paranoid but the timing of several events is, at the very least ironic:

1) The newest DVD copy protection concept is being used by unrelated studios (Thusfar Paramount and Disney)
2) "Fengtao announces that there will be a 30-60 day timelag before the free version of DVDFabHD is given the ability to rip such DVDs, or those that subsequently have yet newer protection schemes
3) DVDs start appearing with limited "Rental-only" versions

BTW - If I remember correctly, you are closely associated with Slysoft. Has anyone at Slysoft determined whether:

1) The "Up" DVD rental version is, in fact, being sold in other countries with only that country's/region's primary spoken language and no alternate audiostreams or subtitles (English or otherwise)?

2) Different protection schemes for different regions and/or purchased versus rental?

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

@DrinkLyeAndDye

Hi! Unless the .IFOs are specifically written to preclude normal access, both subtitles and languages can be accessed via the remote - so that even if subtitles and alternate languages were on the "menuless" disc, they could still be accessed via the remote.

Of course. Without sub-titles and audio language setup being needed on a disc I can see the studios just deciding to save time and a little bit of money but just not making a menu at all for the disc. A setup menu for audio and sub-titles is more user-friendly for people who aren't wizards with electronics. Switching these settings is not difficult but to some people it's like searching for the holy grail.

If you read a little deeper into what's being done, I'd suggest that it is a new attempt to limit the "universe" that might avail itself to illegally disseminated DVDs. Essentially, I believe we are seeing a new approach to "regionalizing" DVDs. I'm fairly certain that the studios will release the same titles with Spanish-only, French-only, German-only, etc. versions in pertinent regions. At least theoretically, this would require those offering such illegal videos to to use three, four, or perhaps, five times the storage space presently required, as well accurate notation regarding language versions - unless, of course, the purchased versions will continue to have alternate languages and subtitles...

I foresee this resulting in complaints by a VERY small minority of DVD customers who don't speak the primary language of the regions they live in, but do speak one of the alternative languages that are typically included as either audiostreams or subtitles or both.

If the intention is to stop people from renting and copying DVDs, it's my speculation that the studios/MPAA may "shoot themselves in the foot" and alienate the vast majority of honest rental customers who believe they are entitled to view the same product as they're "full purchase" brethren are. I also believe they'll alientate the rental companies as well, as they (the rental companies) will undoubtedly bear the brunt of customer dissatisfaction, as well as the threat of reduced customer activity.

I have little belief that making bare-bones rental versions that only contain the movie and nothing else will in any way impact the people who wrongly and illegally copy rentals. Yes, this will alienate law abiding customers who rented the movie to simply watch the movie in their own home. They will initially be mad at the rental chains. From there I'm not sure what will happen. The more informed consumers will learn the truth and the rental chains aren't the cause of this situation. If anything I would say that the studios, if this approach becomes used by more of them, are intentionally poisoning the rental market. No bonus content, no commentary, no sub-titles, no other audio languages, etc. That effectively leaves rental chains stuck with junk while people can merrily buy the retail version with added content. If this all comes to pass then I wonder how long it will be before we see a major rental chain file a lawsuit.

I also have to wonder about discs with absolutely no sub-titles. What about consumers with auditory issues such as deafness? What about people in the US who may not be fluent in English let alone understanding it at all. If a movie only contains English audio then that cuts down on people who will even want to rent or watch the movie. Force people to buy a movie to understand the language or read sub-titles. Bad marketing strategy.

And a final possible reason behind this could be that the studios/MPAA/SONY are trying to convince the masses to convert more quickly to BluRay - and foster new equipment sales and higher disc/unit pricing yields.

I believe the overall goal is to simply make people buy the movies on a retail level. If the SD DVD release for rental is absolutely bare-bones then they hope people buy the retail version. I expect this will also occur with Blu-ray releases. Studios have always wanted people to either go to the theaters and pay to see a movie each and every time or pay far too much for a movie on disc.

Perhaps I'm paranoid but the timing of several events is, at the very least ironic:

1) The newest DVD copy protection concept is being used by unrelated studios (Thusfar Paramount and Disney)
2) "Fengtao announces that there will be a 30-60 day timelag before the free version of DVDFabHD is given the ability to rip such DVDs, or those that subsequently have yet newer protection schemes
3) DVDs start appearing with limited "Rental-only" versions


I believe all three of these can separately be innocently explained away. This isn't the first time we've seen rental type version of a movie. This just happens to be an extreme case. So, remove item 3 from the list. New protections come around on a somewhat regular basis which we can see by simply watching the release cycles. That's normal. So I'd remove item 1 from the list. With regard to item 2, what Fengtao does regarding his software is up to him but I believe the decision was made with the hopes that the freeware users won't want to wait 30-60 days for added support of movies which will mean they will buy a registration for DVDFab.

BTW - If I remember correctly, you are closely associated with Slysoft. Has anyone at Slysoft determined whether:

1) The "Up" DVD rental version is, in fact, being sold in other countries with only that country's/region's primary spoken language and no alternate audiostreams or subtitles (English or otherwise)?

2) Different protection schemes for different regions and/or purchased versus rental?

I'm not part of Slysoft and therefore not privy to what Slysoft may know. I, personally, don't know the answer for either of those questions.

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@DrinkLyeandDieI'm not part of Slysoft and therefore not privy to what Slysoft may know. I, personally, don't know the answer for either of those questions.Sorry, I thought such information would have found its way to the Slysoft forum. You are a moderator there, aren't you?

This isn't the first time we've seen rental type version of a movie.Regarding the only such previous occurrences that I'm aware of (several years ago), the only distinctions were whether or not a (different) copy protection scheme was added and, hence, a different barcode number. There were no "Rental Version Only" notifications on the jacket or the disc.

If you know of any specific titles for which the sellthrough version included content omitted on the rental versions, please advise...

New protections come around on a somewhat regular basis which we can see by simply watching the release cycles. That's normal. So I'd remove item 1 from the list.And such new protections are typically initially limited to one studio and or related studios. Which is precisely why I'm pointing out the fact that this particular type of protection has been implemented at virtually the same time by two major studios that are in no way related. (The only other thought that comes to mind, that I might research, is that this is Macrovision-introduced protection scheme - and the two studios and possibly others, have contracted with Macrovision).

With regard to item 2, what Fengtao does regarding his software is up to him but I believe the decision that was made with the hopes that the freeware users won't want to wait 30-60 days for added support of movies which will mean they will buy a registration for DVDFab.You are parroting what I said in a post a week or so ago - but the point being made is about the TIMING of his announcement. The three points I noted represent either (trusting) a significant coincidence or (skeptical) a calculated harmonic convergence...


**EDIT** Well, here's one possible part of the puzzle:

http://www.rovicorp.com/company/2033.htm?link_id=rightnav

(Scroll down about 3/4 of the page)

Rovi Corporation (Formerly Macrovision)

Content Providers:

20thCentury FOX
Warner Brothers
Disney Studios
Universal Studios
Paramount
PBS
Fuji Television Network, Inc.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

@DrinkLyeandDieSorry, I thought such information would have found its way to the Slysoft forum. You are a moderator there, aren't you?

I volunteer as a Moderator, yes. I have not seen discussion, as of yet, concerning the questions you asked in the forums. So, at this time, I don't have the knowledge to answer the questions you posed.

Regarding the only such previous occurrences that I'm aware of (several years ago), the only distinctions were whether or not a (different) copy protection scheme was added and, hence, a different barcode number. There were no "Rental Version Only" notifications on the jacket or the disc.

If you know of any specific titles for which the sellthrough version included content omitted on the rental versions, please advise...

I honestly can't come up with one at this time and I don't know as much about international releases since I focus on Region 1.

The current method they are using minus the situation with UP is to do what I noted previously and make the release a multi-disc one. Personally, I think this method of any of the methods is the most cost effective even if I do find it annoying to renters. Using a multi-disc release with the second disc containing the bonus content means the studio can use the same exact discs for rental and retail and they just throw in the 2nd disc for the retail purchasers and pump the price up a little.

And such new protections are typically initially limited to one studio and or related studios. Which is precisely why I'm pointing out the fact that this particular type of protection has been implemented at virtually the same time by two major studios that are in no way related. (The only other thought that comes to mind, that I might research, is that this is Macrovision-introduced protection scheme - and the two studios and possibly others, have contracted with Macrovision).

Macrovision does now own parts if not all of BD+. I can't remember now. Studios may look to go with Macrovision for their SD DVD needs, as well. I guess they got both studios to sign on.

You are parroting what I said in a post a week or so ago

I honestly never read that post but that conclusion is an easy one to draw so I'm sure that many other people did, as well.

- but the point being made is about the TIMING of his announcement. The three points I noted represent either (trusting) a significant coincidence or (skeptical) a calculated harmonic convergence...

Possibly. Maybe. I don't know. I believe it is coincidence but maybe it isn't. "The truth is out there." Somewhere.

**EDIT** Well, here's one possible part of the puzzle:

http://www.rovicorp.com/company/2033.htm?link_id=rightnav

(Scroll down about 3/4 of the page)

Rovi Corporation (Formerly Macrovision)

Content Providers:

20thCentury FOX
Warner Brothers
Disney Studios
Universal Studios
Paramount
PBS
Fuji Television Network, Inc.

That is interesting. I guess I haven't been keeping up since I didn't even know they went with the name change although I also don't find it surprising. The name Macrovision is dated and used as the butt of jokes with regard to copy protections. Nonetheless, this list does explain why 2 studios made the change at the same time.

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@slk001

Hi!With all the other crap on this disk, I do find it strange that no menu exists.What other "crap" is on your DVD and how did you access it?

[Peer van Heuen]

3) Would you please provide links to postings, at any forum, regarding these possible pressing problems. [/Color]

After you asked, another mod from our forum was kind enough to point me toward these:

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=228513#post228513

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?p=228550#post228550

So, it doesn't only surface in our support system, obviously.

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@Peer van Heuen

Thank you ;>}

[ElJugador247]

The new verison of DVDfab 6.2.0.5 handles "UP" movie only just fine.

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@ElJugador247

Hi!The new verison of DVDfab 6.2.0.5 handles "UP" movie only just fine.To avoid any confusion, are you referring to the freeware version or the "for pay" version of DVDFab?

[HWK]

@ElJugador247

Hi!To avoid any confusion, are you referring to the freeware version or the "for pay" version of DVDFab?

Not sure, but I think it applies to paid version only since it became available on 11-Nov-2009 add roughly one to two months before it become available in free edition.

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@HWK

Hi!

Although you may very well be correct, I specifically asked "ElJugador247" in order to avoid any confusion based on speculation...

[gjcrnc]

i tried making a backup copy of Up on DVDFab and got nowhere
on either of my computers..Don't think it will backup. Thanks

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@gjcrnc

Hi!

I can only presume that you haven't bothered to read the posts to this thread...

[plonk420]

@surge0

Hi!

I'm presuming you're inquiring about the standard DVD:

Presently freeware, "MakeMKV" (without the need of any other program) can readily process "Up" and generate a movie-only MKV. When the first pass analysis is complete, select the 4.6Gb Title...

BTW - "MakeMKV" appears to (again, without the need of any other program) readily process the two disc BluRay version of "Up" and generate a movie-only MKV - and separate MKVs for the extras, if you wish;>} The only caveat regarding the BluRay version is that you have to determine which of the three 17Gb "angles" (news headlines, etc.) you want - first is English, second is Spanish, third is French.

thanks a bunch for this! was starting to worry it would take a fair hassle to rip it... and searching for movies like this (and the upcoming "9") are/will be a PITA X)

http://forgottenwebsites.com/lulz/up.txt <-directory listing

[setarip_old]

thanks a bunch for this!As always, my pleasure ;>}