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nakTT
13th August 2009, 07:33
Hi all,

Anyone please help me to setup a lossless setting for EEv3 (Expression Encoder v3). Thanks you in advance.

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benwaggoner
13th August 2009, 15:31
Hi all,

Anyone please help me to setup a lossless setting for EEv3 (Expression Encoder v3). Thanks you in advance.

VC-1 doesn't have a lossless mode. Quality VBR with Quality 100 (QP=1) is visually lossless most of the time.

The WMA Lossless audio codec is lossless, of course. WMA Pro in Quality VBR at Quality 98 is perceptually lossless, but not mathematicaly lossless.
nakTT
13th August 2009, 16:00
VC-1 doesn't have a lossless mode. Quality VBR with Quality 100 (QP=1) is visually lossless most of the time.

The WMA Lossless audio codec is lossless, of course. WMA Pro in Quality VBR at Quality 98 is perceptually lossless, but not mathematicaly lossless.
I see. Many thanks for the reply. Any idea which encoder can do lossless? I mean widely used encoder (other than x264, of course).

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nm
13th August 2009, 16:10
Why do you need lossless encoding?
nakTT
14th August 2009, 06:10
Why do you need lossless encoding?
I wan't to use it (that lossless video) as my source for my other encoding test.
Dark Shikari
14th August 2009, 06:12
I see. Many thanks for the reply. Any idea which encoder can do lossless? I mean widely used encoder (other than x264, of course).Why not use x264? ;)
nakTT
14th August 2009, 06:31
Why not use x264? ;)
I have tried it. But once I use x264 for lossless (.mp4), MeGUI wont accept it when I want to run my encoding test using that lossless video as my input (fatal error, or something like that). In other words, MeGUI wont accept .mp4 files. This issue only happen a couple of month ago, but even after quite a few MeGUI updates, the problem still persist so I have reported the issue a few days ago on MeGUI thread.

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Dark Shikari
14th August 2009, 06:38
I have tried it. But once I use x264 for lossless (.mp4), MeGUI wont accept it when I want to run my encoding test using that lossless video as my input (fatal error, or something like that). In other words, MeGUI wont accept .mp4 files.Er... you do know that MeGUI just uses DirectShow for input, so it can open whatever your system has codecs installed for.

... right?

(also, you know that you can use MKV... I assume?)
nakTT
14th August 2009, 06:44
Er... you do know that MeGUI just uses DirectShow for input, so it can open whatever your system has codecs installed for.

... right?

(also, you know that you can use MKV... I assume?)
Yes I'm aware of that. Other encoding GUI (that support x264) work just fine but I like MeGUI better because I can customize virtually all x264 settings. Hope it will be fixed soon.

As for MKV, I just don't really like it. For sentimental reason I prefer .mp4. :D

Perhaps there are something that I should about the good of MKV over MP4 (e.g: features that I'm going to actually use in my everyday life).


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Dark Shikari
14th August 2009, 07:07
Yes I'm aware of that. Other encoding GUI (that support x264) work just fine but I like MeGUI better because I can customize virtually all x264 settings. Hope it will be fixed soon.How can you be aware of what I said yet "hope it will be fixed soon"?

If MeGUI can't import a file, that's because your computer doesn't have the necessary decoder or splitter installed; there is nothing MeGUI can possibly do to "fix" it.
nakTT
14th August 2009, 07:14
How can you be aware of what I said yet "hope it will be fixed soon"?

If MeGUI can't import a file, that's because your computer doesn't have the necessary decoder or splitter installed; there is nothing MeGUI can possibly do to "fix" it.
Perhaps I am the one who don't know. Any idea where should i start in order to fix it?

Please note that last time it worked after I installed everything necessary to run MeGUI. Only after updates a couple of month ago this issue start pop-up.

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benwaggoner
14th August 2009, 08:26
Personally, I use Lagarith as a lossless codec most of the time. I generally am not sweating file size with lossless source that much, and it's quite a bit faster to play and particularly scrub than long-GOP H.264 lossless at 1080p.
nakTT
14th August 2009, 08:41
Personally, I use Lagarith as a lossless codec most of the time. I generally am not sweating file size with lossless source that much, and it's quite a bit faster to play and particularly scrub than long-GOP H.264 lossless at 1080p.
I see. Any recommended GUI for Lagarith?

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smok3
14th August 2009, 08:50
its vfw, so virtual dub?
nakTT
14th August 2009, 08:53
its vfw, so virtual dub?
I see. I have the latest version of virtualdub its just that the last time I used it was around 6 -7 years ago if I'm not mistakes. It must have improved quite a lot I'm sure. Thanks for the advice.

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Dark Shikari
14th August 2009, 12:14
Personally, I use Lagarith as a lossless codec most of the time. I generally am not sweating file size with lossless source that much, and it's quite a bit faster to play and particularly scrub than long-GOP H.264 lossless at 1080p.The problem is that Lagarith crashes all the time... probably because of this (http://dpaste.com/78118/). And given what I've learned from working with someone who's writing a libavcodec decoder for it, it's designed by an idiot.

Use FFVHUFF or FFV1.
nakTT
14th August 2009, 13:17
The problem is that Lagarith crashes all the time... probably because of this (http://dpaste.com/78118/). And given what I've learned from working with someone who's writing a libavcodec decoder for it, it's designed by an idiot.

Use FFVHUFF or FFV1.
I see. Thanks for the info.

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benwaggoner
15th August 2009, 05:00
The problem is that Lagarith crashes all the time... probably because of this (http://dpaste.com/78118/). And given what I've learned from working with someone who's writing a libavcodec decoder for it, it's designed by an idiot.

Use FFVHUFF or FFV1.
It never crashes for me, which is probably why I use it :).

But I suppose it's time to give FFV1 a shot.
CruNcher
20th August 2009, 18:48
Personally, I use Lagarith as a lossless codec most of the time. I generally am not sweating file size with lossless source that much, and it's quite a bit faster to play and particularly scrub than long-GOP H.264 lossless at 1080p.

I have completely different experience especially with CoreAVC it flys @ Decoding even for HD, Hardware support for it would be another great thing, seeking ok yeah a problem with long gops but Decoding not really :)
Revgen
20th August 2009, 20:26
It never crashes for me, which is probably why I use it :).

But I suppose it's time to give FFV1 a shot.

I've had more problems with huffyuv caps crashing than Lagarith.

However, huffyuv is fast enough to cap my hdtv caps so I have to use it.
unix_sansei
21st August 2009, 05:45
I see. Any recommended GUI for Lagarith?

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I used it with adobe premiere 2, 16-bit png's with no problems other than there's some hangup while playback with MPC. eventually I went with uncompressed.
nakTT
21st August 2009, 05:53
I used it with adobe premiere 2, 16-bit png's with no problems other than there's some hangup while playback with MPC. eventually I went with uncompressed.
What about free GUI?

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Max of S2D
21st August 2009, 20:50
is lossless x264 usable in an NLE?
Revgen
22nd August 2009, 09:01
^Should work in v-dub since it doesn't use b-frames. Haven't used it myself though.

Use unofficial vfw builds to create the avi files or use avc2avi.
Keris
25th August 2009, 08:56
is lossless x264 usable in an NLE? It depends upon how the NLE is importing its files. If it's on Windows and uses VFW, you can import lossless with the x264 VFW codec. And if it's DirectShow, you can import lossless with a recent version of ffdshow. But if it uses Quicktime, you're hosed. Neither Quicktime, nor the MainConcept codecs included in recent Adobe software can handle lossless h264 (I know, because I was looking into a lossless codec I could use while working with people tied to their ball and chain named Final Cut Pro).