Add Border feature......

[JayTray]

What's up peoples,

I have encountered a problem with the add border feature in Gknot. I am trying to add Subs on top of the black box (border) without using seperate programs. I'm sure i could add the border w/ Gknot and then do the subs With Nan Dub While encoding, but I will need to set Video To Full Processing mode. I don't wanna have to do this. Anyone know the trick?

Thanks in advance!

[Acaila]

Doesn't VobSub allow you to set the place where you want your subtitles to appear?

I know DirectVobSub can...but then you'd have to keep them as a seperate file instead of burning them in. Which I actually prefer, but that's just me.

[Doom9]

why don't you simply crop less? no need to add borders if they're already there..

[JayTray]

why don't you simply crop less? no need to add borders if they're already there..





I am amazed to hear you say this doom9....
If we crop less of the screen, leaving the sharp black line at the bottom of the screen? The original border from the MPEG2 file? I hope that's not what you are recommending! The pupose of adding the border is to leave space for the Subs without blocking the screen where the movie is happening. When you don't crop all of the sharp edges from the mp2 file the results are horrible. I hope I am misunderstanding your reccommendation!

[khp]

What would the difference be between adding a border and keeping one that is already there ?.

The only possible difference, that I can think of, would be if u made sure the border is an exact multiple of 16 pixels, which u can do with both methods.

[JayTray]

When you add a border it takes 0 bits per second....
When you leave the original borders it takes up a lot of bit rate. Because it is hard to create the sharp black edge where the border begins. Why do you think we crop in the first place. Sometimes I think this site is useless!

[TheWEF]

when you add a black border and hardcode subs into it this will definitely take A LOT of bitrate (not 0 bits). you know (?) how big credits can get without special treatment.
in that case i guess it doesn't make much difference whether your border starts with a full macroblock or not, because the sharp edges around the subs itself will definitely be A LOT worse.
IMHO it is senseless to hardcode subs into divx anyway. direct vobsub works more than fine and solves your border-problem as well. the option in gknot really is for vcd/svcd, where hard-coding is your only choice.

anyway, if you know so much and think this site is useless, i wonder how it is possible that you don't know how to manually edit an avs:
before you press edit "select vobsub files" and check "after borders".

you find this line in your avs:
#AddBorders(left,top,right,bottom)

replace it with:
AddBorders(0,0,0,96)


wef.

[JayTray]

I am Super Duper Smart.... How did you know...
Is it not Super Duper Stupid to Tell me not to crop. I think it is... Besides if someone just said to start with "before you press edit "select vobsub files" and check "after borders" then I would have found it useful.. It is just that everytime I post i get 1/100 replies that are even the awnswer to the question I am asking. I didn't say "Hey, should I just like be stupid and not even crop all the background out to leave room for the subs"? No, I said "Hey, does anyone know how to add Subs on top of the black box (border) without using seperate programs.

Don't get mad if I say your butt buddy Doom9 gives bad advice.

So are you saying (TheWef) adding the Borders takes up as much or even as close to as much bit rate as not completely cropping?

"anyway, if you are so super-smart and think this site is useless, i wonder how it is possible that you don't know how to manually edit an avs: before you press edit "select vobsub files" and check "after borders". Wouldn't the Manual way be opening the AVS file in Notepad and removing the # before the Add Borders Plug~in.... This is the way I do it "Smart Guy"...

I always Manually enter everything into the avs file via NotePad.... Like IVTC , ADD borders and everything else... Don't believe me... Check this post i made weeks ago.... See for yourself! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14350)

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.... I'm sorry!

[TheWEF]

i see you have been very fast and read my post before i did edit it (30 seconds later) and removed my "super-smart" statement. ;)

Originally posted by JayTray
So are you saying (TheWef) adding the Borders takes up as much or even as close to as much bit rate as not completely cropping?

if you hardcode subs into the black area this will use so much bitrate that i think the border-stuff is nothing much to worry about anymore. theoretically you are right, the addborder-method should give a slightly better result.
the quality of your movie would be much! better though (at the same size) if you would crop completely and use direct-vobsub...
do as you like.

I am amazed to hear you say this doom9....I hope I am misunderstanding your reccommendation!...Is it not Super Duper Stupid to Tell me not to crop. I think it is...

i recommend you read this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14432).

wef.

[MaTTeR]

Last I checked nobody forced me to come and read this useless site. I hope you can see the the sarcasm dripping from this.

IMO Direct VobSub works much better and the majority of rippers have adopted this as the standard. Why not? Crop your movie all the way down and of course the black borders gets created by the player. The player then loads the subs over the black border. Best thing since sliced bread;)