Any news on Divx 7?

[iwod]

All of a sudden they seem to disappeared.......

[simps]

I am curious too. I know pretty much nothing about divx7... First question would be, is it good? On pair at least with free solutions like x264?

Can't tell anything from this, but it is interesting at least.

http://www.ricardouk.com/2009/01/divx-7-vs-x264-streaming-teste-test.html

[LoRd_MuldeR]

On pair at least with free solutions like x264?

Quality-wise DivX 7 is not anywhere near to x264, even in H.264 mode. Also the one and only way to encode H.264 with the DivX 7 bundle is a very very simple tool ("DivX Convetrer"), which offers absolutely no options to the user. The Codec itself does NOT support H.264. If you want to test their H.264 encoder, register as a beta tester and get the DivX H.264 CLI encoder:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1234673&postcount=123

[buzzqw]

the DivX 7 h264 decoder is performing very well, and supporting MKV

i have big hope that it will be included in PlayStation 3 (so bringing support for MKV+H264 file!)

BHH

[davisfreeberg]

You have more faith than I do. It was one thing for Sony to support DivX when they were trying to win the Blu-Ray wars, but it will be another thing to see them support a high def codec that pretty much obsoletes the shiny discs they are trying to sell. Sooner or later one of the big electronic companies will build MKV support, but I bet you have to drag Sony kicking and screaming to the party.

[nm]

You have more faith than I do. It was one thing for Sony to support DivX when they were trying to win the Blu-Ray wars, but it will be another thing to see them support a high def codec that pretty much obsoletes the shiny discs they are trying to sell.
PS3 supports H.264 in standard MPEG-TS, -PS and MP4 files in addition to Blu-ray and AVCHD structures. Matroska is just a container and if the video and audio streams are compatible, you can simply remux them to MPEG-TS for playback on PS3. Subtitles are problematic though.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

the DivX 7 h264 decoder is performing very well, and supporting MKV

Yes, the H.264 decoder is definitely the most useful part of the DivX 7 bundle. But you only need that if you don't have CoreAVC and if ffdshow fails for you ;)

Now that ffdshow has seen an enormous speed-up on multi-core machines thanks to ffmpeg-MT the need for proprietary H.264 decoders is fading...

[buzzqw]

... but ffdshow or coreavc don't support ps3... ;)

BHH

[nm]

... but ffdshow or coreavc don't support ps3... ;)
Neither does the DivX 7 decoder and I doubt they would port it to Cell since Sony already has a decent H.264 decoder implementation.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

... but ffdshow or coreavc don't support ps3... ;)

What makes the DivX 7 H.264 decoder support the PS3 more than CoreAVC or ffdshow? They all are DirectShow filters and I don't think any of them runs on the PS3.

And even if DivX would offer a special version of their decoder for the PS3, that still wouldn't be a reason to get the DivX 7 bundle for your PC...

[buzzqw]

DivX Corp is already a PS3 "partner".

PS3 is DivX certified

BHH

[LoRd_MuldeR]

DivX Corp is already a PS3 "partner".

PS3 is DivX certified

That may be true. But it's not related to the DivX 7 bundle. And I think that is what the topic was about.

My argument was that there currently are very few reasons to install the DivX 7 bundle. Certainly not for the H.264 encoder, maybe for the decoder (or the player).

And that's why DivX 7 quickly "disappeared" from the public discussion. It's simply not that useful for us:

We have a much better (and free) H.264 encoder available and we have a number of H.264 decoders available that are at least equivalent to DivX' decoder.

[davisfreeberg]

DivX Corp may be a PS3 partner, but they haven't given an HD certification to the PS3 yet. My understanding is that DivX is asking for higher royalties for HD vs. SD content, but I'm not sure if that has anything to do with Sony's reluctance to update the PS3 for MKV support. When Sony first partnered with DivX, it was during a time where they were struggling to differentiate themselves from HD-DVD. Now that this need is gone, I don't see Sony Inc. being in a hurry to support Blu-Ray rips.

[porfitron]

Some people associate DivX 7 solely with our first implementation of H.264/MKV... if that's where the initial post here was coming from, I can tell you that we are still very committed to this format - both encode and decode.

In case you haven't heard, we rolled out a tech preview to enable MKV/H.264 playback on Windows 7 via Media Foundation. Anyone can use it for free here:
http://labs.divx.com/mkvwin7preview

With respect to devices, we do have another level of certification called "DivX Plus HD", which means that if a device has this certification, it can play H.264/MKV (within our profile) along with DivX 6 files (Home Theater, HD, etc...). As already mentioned, the PS3 is not at [DivX Plus HD] cert level, but it's a "DivX Certified" device, which is for DivX 6 (.avi/.divx) files.

If you want to get more involved or find out more where DivX [7] is going, just join up at DivX labs... we are implementing fixes and features that are being suggested and only want to make things easier for consumers where we can.

For example, we know that DivX 7's converter may not be the tool for people on these forums, but there are loads of people that just want to drag/drop files to get them to play on their DivX DVD player, but we're also open to trying to get you guys features in our free command line tools if that's what you'd like to see.

Hit up DigitAL56K or me if you have any other questions.

--Porfitron
DivX Labs

[Audionut]

In case you haven't heard, we rolled out a tech preview to enable MKV/H.264 playback on Windows 7 via Media Foundation.

Very nice. Now just need the x64 version for thumbnails in explorer.

[CruNcher]

Also don't forget DivX innovation is gone (Darac had a lot of developing work with the DivX ASP Codec) most work on DivX 7 was done by Mainconcept they had to buy another company to not fade away much sooner though currently it seems their consumer products are failing and i guess they wont hold up that long anymore unless they try to go the VPX way and bringing back their old Codec ideas and with the workforce @ Mainconcept i guess that could even work :) running on the H.264 wave is much harder especially in these days and with all the Asian stuff still coming it will get even Harder in the future. Or here is a even crazier idea Mainconcept,BBC and DivX jointly work on improving Wavelet Codecs and then attack VPx and MPEG and becoming the new Codec Standard in 2014 ;)
The thing is DivX had nothing further developed then ASP they made themselves a name in terms of their Certification and relations coming from these days (especially Asia), so not having any technology @ hand (Q seem to have been a joke in the lab, compared to already available solutions) but seeing everyone moving they had to do something to prevent a logic shutdown the rescue decision was "we need to buy someone with all the capital we now have or we gone tomorrow" so Mainconcept was acquired i really would like to know what the Plans of the Management are for the future in the changing market i see no land insight but those Heads are top Managers so they surely drive in the right direction that others don't see ;)

For Nostalgic reasons of course i will buy the next MediaTek SAP Certified with DivX 7 if it still arrives @ the land :)

[DigitAl56K]

CruNcher, that just simply isn't the case. The work for DivX 7 came jointly from the DivX and Mainconcept teams, even if you consider things purely from a codec perspective (which casts aside all the work around application and filter updates). The very same team you knew as DARC is still working on the H.264 codec today, the only difference being that they work together with the team we inherited from Mainconcept so now there are many more smart people working on our core technologies. And on that point, Mainconcept was acquired for numerous reasons, including an excellent product synergy and a global team of talented developers.

You'll see more releases from DivX Labs orientated towards advanced users than the consumer products in the near future. For example, I'm currently testing an update to the CLI encoder that includes some of the features that have been popular requests since the alpha 1 release, and more still are in ongoing development. The encoder is not all we're working on, either ;) Porfitron already mentioned the MKV source we released for Media Foundation recently and there are other interesting goodies due to come your way.

We are always busy working on new updates but occasionally there will be some quiet periods while we prepare new releases. This is another reason why having the Mainconcept team on board is a very good thing, it helps us move that much faster.

[CruNcher]

It's nice to hear that you finally add some more features (i hope the right ones) to the DivX (Consumer) Encoder, you really have to if you trying to bring the maximum Quality to the consumers and don't make them 2nd class citizens. My hope is you gonna implement all visual enhancing stuff from the Professional Mainconcept Encoder SDK and not do these differentiations anymore between professional ,prosumer and consumer features at least on those features that are responsible for the visual quality.
Sure no consumer/prosumer needs segmented encoding, but i don't speak about these framework related things i mean just the pure quality features :)
So when you put DivX 7 and Mainconcepts Pro Encoder side by side both would come up with the same visual results, it's actually nice to hear that you working hard to reach that Goal im just wondering why you didn't took the most recent Mainconcept SDK in the first place as Base for the first Consumer Encoder Release (or more advanced CLI) which implements everything and especially left the PSY Part out which isn't new @ all (i was really fearing if DivX 7 certification could mean no AQ support).
And hey i value your products and im looking forward to see some nice stuff from you Guys the Gej-Box showed very nicely what you all are capable of with bundled power ok that 1 button that died we leave that out for a moment ;)
How about putting that Team btw together on enhancing your Media-Player to make Microsoft shake in their shoes a little ;) also it's sad that Gej-Box wasn't already coming out with DivX 7 support it would have been the hit but lets wait for V2 with MediaTeks new DSP and non CPU Stream Decoding ;).
Ah and yeah please don't forget the usual update of the Web Player with H.264,MKV support and of course your nice Multithreaded Decoder ;D Hmm and who knows maybe you find the Stage 7 button on the way, i would really like to see that button back on the Gej-Box V2 Remote ;)

Sorry i know it isn't Christmas yet but it's your fault, if i see the Iceberg ahead i gonna warn you, would have done that anyways :D

[Gokumon]

You have more faith than I do. It was one thing for Sony to support DivX when they were trying to win the Blu-Ray wars, but it will be another thing to see them support a high def codec that pretty much obsoletes the shiny discs they are trying to sell. Sooner or later one of the big electronic companies will build MKV support, but I bet you have to drag Sony kicking and screaming to the party.

What are you talking about? The PS3 already supports H.264 in other containers, all of Sony's own Blu-Rays discs use H.264 and they are part of the patent pool to H.264.

[Dark Shikari]

Can you release more of your code with debug symbols? I really liked your last OS X release ;)

[DigitAl56K]

It's nice to hear that you finally add some more features (i hope the right ones) to the DivX (Consumer) Encoder

We're aiming to respond to requests for quality-based mode, support input via stdin, add one or two other features, and as I mentioned earlier even more is in dev which I think you'll like ;)

My hope is you gonna implement all visual enhancing stuff from the Professional Mainconcept Encoder SDK

More is being added over time. There is some work to be done as we implement new features, move between cores, sync up other projects, test and optimize. BTW you'll be happy to hear that we are updating the core, which will make adding other features easier :)

How about putting that Team btw together on enhancing your Media-Player to make Microsoft shake in their shoes a little ;)

The Player team are already working on some nice enhancements. Personally I've had a hit-and-miss relationship with Players 5 & 6 because I prefer something more technically orientated, but Player 7 has made strides in terms of performance and I see more improvements going forward.

also it's sad that Gej-Box wasn't already coming out with DivX 7 support

Agreed, the Gej-Box (aka DivX Connected for those unfamiliar) is a nice platform. I have one of the original orange boxes under my TV :) The 1.5 Beta did have an initial SW-based implementation.

Ah and yeah please don't forget the usual update of the Web Player with H.264,MKV support and of course your nice Multithreaded Decoder ;D

Of course not!

Hmm and who knows maybe you find the Stage 7 button on the way, i would really like to see that button back on the Gej-Box V2 Remote ;)

You're not the only one ;) I actually worked with the Stage6 team, but alas that platform is retired for now. I think the important thing here is to keep updating the web player and its SDK for others to build upon.

Sorry i know it isn't Christmas yet but it's your fault, if i see the Iceberg ahead i gonna warn you, would have done that anyways :D

Every night in my dreams.. I see you.. I feel you.. <3

@Dark Shikari: Be nice! No <3 for you! ;)

[Selur]

support input via stdin
Nice!!!

[iwod]

Changelog

· Huge improvements in encoding performance, up to 350% depending on encoding profile and system configuration.

What about quality. ?

[DigitAl56K]

iwod: That is for an older DivX 6 release, I see third-party sites reposting old changelogs frequently.

[hajj_3]

why not post a changelog on divx.com? there is never a changelog anymore, its not even posted in your forums either:(

[DigitAl56K]

@hajj_3: I was following up on that point earlier today, turns out pages are being published this afternoon. I'll respond later with the links. FYI I recognize this has been a problem and we're also discussing ways to make this information more visible and easier to track down.

[DigitAl56K]

Here are the change logs relevant to this update:

DivX Converter (http://support.divx.com/faq/view/supportFAQen008/DivX-Converter-Version-History)
DivX Player (http://support.divx.com/faq/view/supportFAQen068/DivX-Player-7-for-Windows-Version-History)
Web Player (http://support.divx.com/faq/view/supportFAQen023/divx-web-player-version-history)

[buzzqw]

thanks DigitAl56K!

BHH

[iwod]

So their is actually no improvement / update for the Encoder?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Look at the version number! The DivX Codec that ships with the DivX 7 bundle is still version 6.8.5 ;)

[Audionut]

Very nice. Now just need the x64 version for thumbnails in explorer.


DivX Tech Preview: MKV on Windows 7 - 08/18/2009
Adds support for DivX Plus HD video in applications using the Microsoft Media Foundation in Windows 7. R3 adds 64-bit support and a fix for a common AC3 A/V sync issue.


http://labs.divx.com/node/6536

[Keiyakusha]

Not sure where I should ask about this...
Is it possible to make DivX Tech Preview obey display aspect ratio for thumbnails (like windows does by default for mp4)?

[porfitron]

Hi Keiyakusha,

I'll pass the request along and see if we can get this prioritized for a future release.