AVCHD / MPEG2 (SD_VIDEO) support in Panasonic SDHC BD players & Viera TV (multiAVCHD)

[deank]

Please discuss all SD/SDHC-card playback issues with your Panasonic TVs and BD players when using multiAVCHD with [x] Panasonic SDHC output option enabled in Author tab.

Use Panasonic SD/SDHC format utility (sdfv2003.exe). (http://panasonic.jp/support/sd_w/download/ftp/sdfv2003.exe)

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For all tests please use latest FULL download (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/download.php) of multiAVCHD (version 2.6 build 563+) as of 03-May-2009.

In your reports, please note:

* Video resolution (1280x720, 1440x1080, 1920x1080)
* Video frame-rate (23.976, 24, 25, 29.970, 30, 50, 60)
* Video scan-mode (progressive / interlaced)
* Audio codec (AC3, LPCM...) and channels
* Subtitle presence
* Panasonic BD player model
* Panasonic SDHC TV model
* Region (US/EU - NTSC/PAL)

Example:

Panasonic BD35 (US/NTSC): 1920x1080p 23.976fps, AC3 6ch, no subtitles


Also be advised of the supported combinations according to the current AVCHD standard:

http://www.avchd-info.org/format/OverviewChart1.GIF

Dean

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Okay - nice... This seems to be a workaround for SPLIT files. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1278694#post1278694)

If for any reason you get your Direct Navigator report "Cannot play" you can try RETURN and PLAY again. Since build 549 it should work fine.

Example:

1) You have 8GB card.
2) Load 4.5GB MKV.
3) Set split at 4000MiB in multiAVCHD.
4) Ignore the warning.
5) Create [AVCHD for Panasonic SDHC]
6) Click the remote: PLAY (ignore the error) - RETURN - PLAY.

[davsim]

My tests (re-posted from the multiAVCHD thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744)).

All of these play in my Panasonic BD60 US v1.5. Please test and report your results. These test clips were encoded with MeGUI and authored with deank's multiAVCHD (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744) Version 2.6 Build 540.

SD_TEST_DS001 (http://drop.io/g9834obrt#)

Source: MPEG2/AC3 NTSC broadcast 1080i 1920x1080 29.97fps, re-encoded with MeGUI x264 MKV keeping original AC3.


SD_TEST_DS002 (http://drop.io/8at5oga#)

Source: MPEG2/AC3 NTSC broadcast 720P 1280x720 59.94fps, re-encoded with MeGUI x264 MKV keeping original AC3 with settings from my screenshots below.


SD_TEST_DS003 (http://drop.io/lv3wizo#)

Source: deank's "SAMPLE#12 - 1280x720 - 1.5MB" 24P re-encoded with my settings Main@L4 rather than High@L4.1.



Here are the settings I used:

http://www.cdupload.com/files/51999_6nkgw/megui-screens1.png


MediaInfo of SD_TEST_DS002 MKV:

General
Complete name : muxed.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 19.2 MiB
Duration : 11s 168ms
Overall bit rate : 14.4 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2009-04-25 16:27:52
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.7.0 ('Do It Again') built on Apr 15 2009 00:27:10
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@4.0
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 11s 150ms
Bit rate : 13.7 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 14.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 59.940 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.247
Stream size : 18.2 MiB (95%)
Writing library : x264 core 67 r1139M 1024283
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=14000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 11s 168ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 611 KiB (3%)

[jfcarbel]

per davisim:
Okay, this is my third test. It plays in my BD60. Please test and report back.

SD_TEST_DS003
Source: deank's SAMPLE#12 - 1280x720 - 1.5MB

I re-encoded deank's original SAMPLE#12 with the settings I've been using (already posted).

Notes:

MeGUI input DAR said 1.778, I selected NTSC ITU 16:9.
AVS wrong colorspace error in MeGUI, so I said ok to correct it ConvertToYV12()
I selected High Profile L4.0 in MeGUI, although MediaInfo says Main@L4 for my file. deank's original says HIGH@L4.1.

This one works now in my BD30 as well and it was not before, so maybe this sheds some light on the issue.

[jason_peters010]

Tried my first test and got an error. tried an 8+gig .m2ts file that plays fine on my computer. I've attached the error and log images. I then tried an 11meg file and it worked fine. Is there a size limit at this point, or am I getting this error for another reason? Thanks!

[jfcarbel]

SeeMoreDigital, your encoded 1280x720@25fps sample:
Did not work on my BD30 player

[deank]

At this point, multiaAVCHD supports only ONE m2ts+clpi+mpls pair. No splitting and no m2ts files bigger than 4GB (FAT restriction on SD card).

[jason_peters010]

Txmuxer give me this error on the same file, "SPS picture order 2 not supported." What does this mean?

[jfcarbel]

davisim, how about posting the mediainfo for the rencoded sample 12 from Deans source, since it is working fine now on my BD30 and was not before. Maybe we can see the differences and start eliminating them one by one to find the culprit.

In the meantime, I am going to try your MeGUI suggestion and reencode my MKVs to see what happens.

[jason_peters010]

Gotcha. At some point will multiavchd split my 8+gig .msts file into 4 gig chunks with Panasonic SDHC output?

[deank]

Gotcha. At some point will multiavchd split my 8+gig .msts file into 4 gig chunks with Panasonic SDHC output?

SPS picture order 2 should be supported in tsMuxeR 1.9.9. Check what version you're using.

And let's not hurry so much with 4GB splits and stuff...

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Original sample#12 is 1280x720@24fps (not 23.976).

[davsim]

davisim, how about posting the mediainfo for the rencoded sample 12 from Deans source.

This is the MediaInfo for the MKV used to make SD_TEST_DS003 which was re-encoded from deank's "SAMPLE#12 - 1280x720 - 1.5MB":

General
ID : 1
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\chrisxps\Desktop\sd test\SD_TEST_DS003\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : BluRay Video
File size : 2.24 MiB
Duration : 9s 916ms
Overall bit rate : 1 898 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 9s 916ms
Bit rate : 14.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.633
Writing library : x264 core 67 r1139M 1024283
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=14000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.0
Language : English

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 9s 916ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz


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MediaInfo for the final .MTS output from multiAVC:

General
ID : 1
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\chrisxps\Desktop\sd test\SD_TEST_DS003\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : BluRay Video
File size : 2.24 MiB
Duration : 9s 916ms
Overall bit rate : 1 898 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 9s 916ms
Bit rate : 14.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.633
Writing library : x264 core 67 r1139M 1024283
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=14000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.0
Language : English

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 9s 916ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

[jason_peters010]

And let's not hurry so much with 4GB splits and stuff...


I'm not asking for a rush job, just wondering if it was "in the cards?" I would definitely contribute more to the cause once this functionality exists. And I suspect I'm not alone. Thanks for all your help!

[jfcarbel]

It might also be helpful to get Dean to post the original mediainfo for sample 12 MKV. Dean?

[deank]

General
Complete name : D:\Downloads\__TEST\bluray.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 3.59 MiB
Duration : 11s 0ms
Overall bit rate : 2 741 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2009-03-07 19:32:22
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.5.2 ('Stranger in your Soul') bui
lt on Feb 28 2009 18:58:17
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@4.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 11s 0ms
Nominal bit rate : 8 000 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.362
Writing library : x264 core 66 r1101M b69548a
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0
x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chrom
a_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / t
hreads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b
_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=2 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc
=2pass / bitrate=8000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=
4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=40000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / ip_ratio
=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00

[jfcarbel]

Okay, so based on Dean's mediainfo post for sample 12, it looks like profile change from High to Main and level went from 4.1 to 4.0. And a later version of x264 encoder was used.

The bitrate was actually set higher on davisim one so that should not be the cause here.

anyone spot anything else?

davisim, your selected the High profile, so why then does it come out as Main?

UPDATE: Oh and re-frames when from 3 to 2 also.

AND what is odd is the sample 10 clip plays on the BD30 yet it is profile high and level 4.1 (sample 10 mediainfo below):

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Duration : 9s 791ms
Bit rate : 3188 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 3188 Kbps
Width : 1280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.144
Writing library : x264 core 66 r1114 a933a3e
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-2:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=esa / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=3188 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.1
Language : English

[jfcarbel]

Source: deank's SAMPLE#12 - 1280x720 - 1.5MB
I re-encoded deank's original SAMPLE#12 with the settings I've been using (already posted).

Notes:

MeGUI input DAR said 1.778, I selected NTSC ITU 16:9.
AVS wrong colorspace error in MeGUI, so I said ok to correct it ConvertToYV12()
I selected High Profile L4.0 in MeGUI, although MediaInfo says Main@L4 for my file. deank's original says HIGH@L4.1.

davisim, how about trying another encode of sample 12 but with only changing one variable at a time. Maybe start with the level first.

[jfcarbel]

Maybe start with the level first.

Actually come to think of it, the profile and level did work in sample 10 clip, so maybe only try changing the other options first and lets test from there. Still trying to setup MeGUI on my end here.

[Atreide]

I think I found something very interesting.

Since Deank's sample #10 was beginning of TV serie and the video I was working with was also TV, I still couldn't understand why it wouldn't work.

So I encoded only 10s of my .mkv file using multiAVCHD, copied the AVCHD folder on the SD card into PRIVATE folder : not working (picture menu).
Then I erased the files on SD card, copied AVCHD folder from Deank's sample #10 and replace ONLY the 00000.MTS file by my 00000.MTS file : it's working !!!!!
Then I processed the full length video and still only replace the 00000.MTS file by the new one (which is now over 1 Gb) : I get the video menu and it's playing but only the first 10s.

This means :
1. video file processed with multiAVCHD is just fine
2. folders DCIM and MISC are not needed
3. problems come from the other small files in PRIVATE folder

[deank]

3. problems come from the other small files in PRIVATE folder

:) These small files took me months to figure out and to make all work (to an extent) for Panasonic users. It's not easy - believe me.

I'll take a look again at this sample, because there is something special about it. I guess - because it was the first 1280x720 and I did change some things - now I can't remember because I never thought it will work. :)

[Atreide]

oh sorry, I called them small files but I know nothing about them...:rolleyes:
I always thought it was because of the video format that it was not playing
I can send you my mediainfo file but not sure it will help since first 10s are playing

[Atreide]

I have replaced the other files one by one
INDEX.BDM and MOVIEOBJ.BDM : no problem still working (only first 10s but video menu is there and 10S video playing)
00000.CPI : no problem, still working
then finally
00000.MPL replaced and it's not working anymore, picture menu is brought up not the video one
so problem only comes from the file in PLAYLIST folder

[SeeMoreDigital]

Just to let you guys know....

For the purpose of testing audio/video sources, you only require the "PRIVATE" folder along with its included folders and files: -

http://i42.tinypic.com/6jh9hd.png

You don't need to have the "DCIM" and "MISC" folders ;)

[deank]

@SMD: That's what multiAVCHD produces (+thumbnail folder).

[Atreide]

what programs allow to edit or modify a .MPL file ?

[deank]

A HEX editor :) like XVI32 (http://www.handshake.de/user/chmaas/delphi/download/xvi32.zip)... Don't use BDedit with AVCHD clip/mpls because it will damage them.

[Atreide]

OK, I should have thought of that, I had HEX Editor, lol.
Anyway, I opened your sample 10 .MPL file and that generated from multiAVCHD with my .mkv file but can't make much of it. I guess one has to know what each bit is doing.
Will keep looking and testing tomorrow.
Thanks again for all your work Dean

[jfcarbel]

OK, I should have thought of that, I had HEX Editor, lol.
Anyway, I opened your sample 10 .MPL file and that generated from multiAVCHD with my .mkv file but can't make much of it. I guess one has to know what each bit is doing.
Will keep looking and testing tomorrow.
Thanks again for all your work Dean

I think the key is you will need to know where the first title starts and then where it stores the duration for the first item for that title in the playlist.

I am guessing the way Dean did this was by probably using valid Panasonic produced video files and by looking at the files via hex editor determined this. And he probably looked at alot of hex and sample files to do this. Reverse engineering

[jfcarbel]

Okay just tried the same test as Atreide and can confirm it works on my MKV that was not working before. Just went to txmuxer tab and for cut end, entered 10 s. Then used the 24 intro sample 10 clips files and just replaced the stream file.

The title also showed up as "24 4.2009" as well.

So it is definitely looking like the playlist file that multiAVCHD is generating now is the culprit and not the video stream.

Dean, is paypal still the best way to donate for the BD player funds?

[Atreide]

Dean, can you generate a new sample 10 with same original file by using multiAVCHD so I can try to do some tests ?

[deank]

Dean, is paypal still the best way to donate for the BD player funds?

Yes.

Dean, can you generate a new sample 10 with same original file by using multiAVCHD so I can try to do some tests ?

I remember that I created sample#10 with multiAVCHD. I'll post another.

@all: Please update yout multiAVCHD.dat again.

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I don't know what can be wrong with the playlist if other resolutions with different durrations work, right?

[Atreide]

Now it's working !! Great :)
I have tried only 10s, I am trying the full file now.

[deank]

Can you try putting movie.txt file with your movie.mkv and put

00:00:01.000

in the first line of the movie.txt?

[Atreide]

so it's not working anymore with the full episode !! again picture menu indicating that playlist file is not read properly.
I will try what you suggest. Should I still use 10s in cut end to do that test ?

[deank]

Try with 1min, 5min or 10min...

[Atreide]

With the .txt file and 10s at the end, it works just like without it; it says using external chapters though
I paste the log file below. Now I try with longer times as you suggest.

[09:42:00] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 542)

[09:42:00] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[09:42:00] only one title (m2ts/mts/mpls/clpi).

[09:42:00] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[09:42:00] You enabled Panasonic SDHC output. Only one title will be available!
[09:42:00] Converting to BDMV structure (R:\filename.103.mkv).
[09:42:01] Detected audio: ID#1:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: und
[09:42:01] Detected video: ID#2:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 23.976fps (AR:1.78)
[09:42:02] Checking for external chapters (R:\filename.103.txt)...
[09:42:02] Using external chapters...
[09:42:02] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[09:42:03] Done!
[09:42:03] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[09:42:03] Preparing authoring information...
[09:42:03] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[09:42:04] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[09:42:04] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[09:42:04] Completed.
[09:42:04] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[09:42:04] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[09:42:04] Done!
[09:42:05] R:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[09:42:05] Copy R:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[09:42:05] Deleting only files in temp folder (R:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\)...
[09:42:05] You may now remove temp folder (R:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\).
[09:42:05] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 9sec of video material.
[09:42:05] End of log.

[davsim]

I wanted to try some SD resolutions (720x480) and slightly longer durations, so here are a couple more samples. These were authored with previous build 540. Both play on my BD60.

SD_TEST_DS004 (http://drop.io/boxxe6g#)

720x480, 4:3, 29.97, 02:20s

SD_TEST_DS005 (http://drop.io/0eivbcm#)

720x480 16:9 29.97, 00:46s - I had to force 16:9 AR in multiAVCHD and I also forced it in MKVmerge.

Source for both are 480x480 MPEG2, de-interlaced, cropped, resized, then added 3:2 pulldown.

I also tried 720x480 23.976, but the picture would not play, only sound. That frame rate isn't supported in the AVCHD spec.

[Atreide]

@Deank : 1, 5 and 10 min samples are all working ! I keep trying longer ones now.

[deank]

@davsim: Are these working? And what is the longest title you manage to watch in HD resolution?

@Atreide: Just make sure to use the custom chapter mark :) file.

[davsim]

@davsim: Are these working? And what is the longest title you manage to watch in HD resolution?

Yes, they both play in my BD60. The longest HD clip I've played was <20s, because I haven't tried any longer. That 2m20s clip is the longest I've tried, but it is lower resolution.

[Atreide]

OK, so now everything is working even the full episode !! (isn't that insane ? :devil: )
I don't know what happened the first time around, I think I didn't have that .txt file; I will remove it and try again the full episode and see if it will work or not. :)

[deank]

It won't work..

Update your multiAVCHD to build 543. There's no need to put the .txt file now :)

I'm pretty good :) when head doesn't hurt. Should've figured it out yesterday.

[Atreide]

That's it, with the .txt file it's working, without it it's not working on the full episode

[Atreide]

I have just updated (hadn't seen your message when I last posted). Anyway it updates by itself when I launch the program.
Everything is working just fine now without .txt file ! This is simply AWESOME. You are more than good, you're the best :)

[deank]

Can you (or anyone) test with subtitles and different audio tracks (not AC3)... and with their TVs, too - not just with BD player.

[Atreide]

Don't have SD card on my TV nor other mkv files or subtitles to test with unfortunately.

[deank]

I changed the first post and will ask everyone to include the requested information when posting playback success/failures.

Thank you all once again for testing so intensively.

Dean Kasabow

[SeeMoreDigital]

Can you (or anyone) test with subtitles and different audio tracks (not AC3)... and with their TVs, too - not just with BD player.Encodes with 6Ch LPCM audio work okay with my BD35... The audio stream is correctly passed via DDMI to my surround sound amplifier.

By contrast, my Panasonic TV plays the video but "mutes" the audio.

[jfcarbel]

Working for me now, excellent work Dean:

Panasonic BD30 (US/NTSC): 1280x720p 23.976fps, AC3 6ch, no subtitles (source MKV)

One thing I noticed is that the chapter marks are ignored, any chance this could eventually be made to work?

Also if I recall, some of the sample clips had multiple titles. Dean, how difficult is it going to be to get multiple titles? Hopefully my donation I just made will assist you in getting a player :)

Also I recall that your sample 10 had a title "24 4.2009", any reason you're not grabbing the title from the file? Or do we need to edit it to a much smaller title size in the menu editor?

[deank]

If chapters are present your players REFUSE to play - that's why they are ignored - sorry.

Multiple titles can be harder to implement than it seems. A lot harder.

Title name can be changed - yes. At this point it should be multiAVCHD, right?

[jfcarbel]

Question, if we add multiple AVCHD folders in the PRIVATE folder will that allow us to select from a menu and play more than one title from the SDHC?

I guess I can give this a try, but I have a feeling this is out of spec.

[deank]

No, it won't work. The menu your players show is explicitly set in the MPLS file - nowhere else. You can add multiple avchd_xxx folders - only one named AVCHD will be recognized.

[jfcarbel]

If chapters are present your players REFUSE to play - that's why they are ignored - sorry.

Multiple titles can be harder to implement than it seems. A lot harder.

Title name can be changed - yes. At this point it should be multiAVCHD, right?

1. Actually in the logs it says, ignoring chapter marks, but I told muxer tab to insert them every 5min. I will test it and see if they work on my player.

2. Bummer, oh well hopefully you can get a player soon if more people donate and this will speed up your testing and maybe make it a bit easier.

3. Yes, its multiAVCHD. Are you saying we can change it in current version, or do you mean its something you can add in the future version updates?

[deank]

Yes, chapters are ignored forcefully at the last moment before muxing because otherwise tsmuxer output is NOT compatible when used via SDHC.

I will try to add title name (shown in Editor) to show on your TVs too.

[jfcarbel]

I will try to add title name (shown in Editor) to show on your TVs too.

ok, not a big deal, just wanted to make sure I reported back in case it was supposed to work so you could fix it. As of now, not really necessary much since we can only get one title on the SDHC for now.

[deank]

Can you run multiUPDATE and edit the title name in EDITOR tab and check if your player will show it?

Also if someone can post a photo of how Panasonic BD menu looks like and how Panasonic TV menu looks, too.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I guess the ultimate goal would be for individual files to be listed in the Blu-ray players (or AVCHD capable TV's) menu...

According to my (AVCHD capable) Panasonic TV's user manual, it's able to list files like this: -

http://i39.tinypic.com/2eunzar.png


Cheers all

[Atreide]

Update done. I don't have any editor tab. Will try to make a pic (have only Panasonic BD50) of menu.

[deank]

Editor tab shows only when you select to create MENU in Author tab. Despite you don't see the tab - your panasonic should show the name of the file you loaded. Can you check?

[Atreide]

OK, I had deactivated menu yes. Will check now

EDIT: Title edition is working just fine !

EDIT2: How do I insert the picture within the body of the message ? the insert picture button asks me for http:// URL

[deank]

Upload the image to some free image server like imageshack.us and post the link :)

[Atreide]

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3481/screenyou.jpg

The window preview actually shows the full video with audio.

[jbalsor]

I tried again with 1280x720 with recent build, this time it shows as a title but cannot play. It is 4.9gb in size MKV file. The player shows it is 1hr32min longs but just says cannot play and has an x beside the title in the menu.

Panasonic BT100 (US/NTSC): 1280x720p 23.976fps, AC3 6ch, no subtitles

the menu above is the same as my player

[jfcarbel]

I tried again with 1280x720 with recent build, this time it shows as a title but cannot play. It is 4.9gb in size MKV file.

I thought someone here mentioned that there is a 4GB limit for the FAT32 file system, so you might be running into issues.

[deank]

Please use INPUT files that WILL NOT BE CUT/SPLIT by tsmuxer while processing.

If such thing happens you'll have more CLPI/M2TS files in your card and IT WON'T WORK.

[WilcoBxl]

Just tested a (1280x720, 23.976FPS, AC-3 6ch) subtitled video : it works!! you just have to enable the subtitles in the panny OSD menu once the video is launched...Soooo happy! :)

(european BD-55)

[deank]

Great! I didn't expect subtitles to work! Great great :) :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

Great! I didn't expect subtitles to work! Great great :) :DI must admit neither was I.... given subtitle support is not mentioned in the AVCHD (Media Card) spec

[davsim]

I have just tested a 58m58s 720P HD video. I didn't watch the whole thing in realtime, but I scanned forward and checked sync every 10 minutes. It played fine and kept sync all the way through.

The source was the full video from my earlier test SD_TEST_DS002, but at a lower bitrate (3400 Kbps) to fit my 2GB card. The .MTS file was 1.7GB. Authored with the latest build 543.

I forgot to mention, in one of my earlier tests that I didn't post, I tried encoding at Level 4.1 and that video also played fine.

Also, on the subject of chapters and multiple titles, the camcorder sample SD_TEST4 did have four .MTS video files in the STREAM folder. It showed as one item in the Direct Navigator playlist and it played the clips sequentially. I used the chapter skip forward button and it skipped to the next video clip.

[deank]

Yes, chapters in AVCHD are not like chapter marks in normal Blu-ray, but more like scenes and each scene should be in separate mts/cpi pair, but the playlist (mpl) joins them in one title (or shows as separate, depending on the way data is put into the playlist 00000.mpl).

[deank]

Fatal #13 :) sample. (http://rapidshare.com/files/226008701/SD_TEST13.exe) (6MB)

I lifted title limit for Panasonic output to 16 titles. This test is generated by multiAVCHD with 2 titles.

Let's see if they'll show in your players.

Dean

[WilcoBxl]

Dean:

Menu shows up fine, with the 2 titles.
Launching the 1st title plays the 2 titles sequentially ( slight freeze on title change, but I guess there's nothing we can do about that :) )

great!


EDIT: if I set the subtitles on for the first title, they remain on when the second title plays - great²!

[deank]

Yep! In Panasonic user's manual we can read 'you can experience pauses between scenes', so I guess it is normal.

I can lift the limit to 40 titles (not that I see a point), but I still need some time to make index/movieobj generated for more titles.

It will be ready in some of the next builds. :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

The ability to add individual sources and have them appear as separate titles is great news.... Nice one :)

[Sanosuke]

I had tested the sample files at BD60 and everything worked but somebody tested on the TV?
It is very strange because if you generate a file from SD1, in both equipment the file works, but in case of the samples it just worked at BD. at least for me. Somebody already tried?

tks

[jfcarbel]

Dean:

Menu shows up fine, with the 2 titles.

Please indicate your player and model, thanks

UPDATE, found it in some posts above, nevermind.
european BD-55 - plays sample SD_TEST13

[deank]

I just finished my work on index.bdm. cpi and pls are ready, too. Just a bit for movieobj.bdm and I'll let you all test the results. I really hope it will work smooth.

[jfcarbel]

Multiple titles from SD_TEST13 working perfectly here on BD30 US/NTSC
- titles names show up in menu, and hey both are shows I watch too :)
- and when title1 ends then title2 automatically plays

So, Dean you may not need my donation for that BD player after all, so enjoy and get something else for yourself because you deserve it!

One other questions:

It sounds like doing chapter marks will actually not be possible since it will require you to cut the file ever 5 mins and them link the cut files all in a single playlist. Unless this can be scripted via tsmuxer

Also, I have a single 4.5 GB clip and I know fat32 does not support this, but by adding chapters for cuts, it would. So here is hoping its possible to do chapter cuts in the future.

Great work Dean, big thanks!

[deank]

Enjoy build 544.

Let me know if it works and what's the max title count supported by your players in this mode.

@jfcarbel: You can simply split this 4.5gb file 1st with multiAVCHD and then use the output m2ts files for 2 titles in Panasonic mode.

[dec-pvr]

Hi Dean,

So far so good.... The main thing I've noticed however, is that a "PRIVATE" folder is not created.

Anyways, I can confirm the following sources (with 6Ch AC3 audio) work with my BD35 and PZ81B TV: -

AVC Main@L3.0 - 1920x1080 @ 25fps
AVC Main@L3.0 - 1440x1080 @ 25fps
AVC Main@L3.0 - 1440x1080 @ 25fps with 4:3 ARS
AVC Main@L3.0 - 1920x816 @ 25fps

Great work ;)

Ok, so I don't know if I should quote from a different thread - but I figured it was related...

I'm just interested by what SeeMoreDigital said - mainly the last sample he said that works - surely that is a non-compliant size (1920x816)?

SeeMoreDigital - did you have to do anything special for this to work, did it play back in the correct aspect ratio?

Has anyone else tried non-compliant sizes?

Does this mean that non-compliant files could play from SD on a (panasonic) standalone, but not from AVCHD-DVD?

[jfcarbel]

Enjoy build 544.

Let me know if it works and what's the max title count supported by your players in this mode.

@jfcarbel: You can simply split this 4.5gb file 1st with multiAVCHD and then use the output m2ts files for 2 titles in Panasonic mode.

Ok, I will give it a try in build 544 once its up for download, :thanks:

[jfcarbel]

It is since I posted.

I refreshed but do not see links for build 544, are the older rapidshare 2.6 exe's just updated and I click on the same URL?

NEVERMIND- looks like a minor update and was pulled down by multiAVCHD itself.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Anyone?Just tried muxing 10No sources....

My BD35 sees all files and navigates thru' them perfectly :) Sadly my Panny TV can't see any of the files :(

Brilliant work Dean

[deank]

Thanks, SMD.

*edit*: I just updated multiAVCHD to build 545, using different approach when only 1 title is used, so it may improve Panasonic TV's compatibility with one title only structures.

Can you try with ONE title only with your TV? I guess there is something special, but I have no idea at this point. I think movieobj.bdm for TVs is just one simple Play command instead of using registers and fancy nav-commands.

If this works for most of you - I think my work with Panasonic is done... 2 months of reading, 2 days of testing and 2 hours of programming it.

[davsim]

Fatal #13 :) sample. (http://rapidshare.com/files/226008701/SD_TEST13.exe) (6MB)

I lifted title limit for Panasonic output to 16 titles. This test is generated by multiAVCHD with 2 titles.
Panasonic BD60 US v1.5 results:

SD_TEST13: Plays perfectly. Two titles show up in the playlist and play consecutively. Skip forward and back moves between titles. Subtitles work and stay on through title changes as well as after you go back to the playlist, then start playing another title again.

Amazing work!


Before I start sifting through all the MeGUI (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=78) and x264 (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=77) encoding discussions, does anyone have any detailed suggestions for the best encoder settings for optimum bitrate, image quality and Panasonic compatiblity?

[deank]

Well, you didn't need to test the sample... Just add your own files in build 545 and do your own compilation to see if it will work.

The upper limit is 40 titles (as in normal multiAVCHD mode). You can test with NC resolutions, too and see how it will go.

***

About encoding on your own, I'd suggest to keep ref-frames within standards' (BDMV/AVCHD) limits, bitrates < 24MBit/s and have your audio in AC3. Using standard resolutions and framerates is always a good idea. 2-pass encoding with bitrates about 15-20000kbps should give you the best you can get, although I won't go above 5000 for 1280x720 and over 12000 for 1920x1080.

[jfcarbel]

Works perfectly on the BD30 US/NTSC firmware 2.8 with my own MKV files many of which are 1280x720.

All titles show up in the Panasonic Direct Navigator menu and all work as expected. Great work Dean.

For all you folks using this feature now, I think its time to donate a little to Dean for a job well done.

Dean, I know you mention above that your work on Panasonic support is almost done, but do you think that it will ever be possible to implement the every 5mins chapters feature or might this require you to ask tsmuxer author to add the ability to split files every 5 mins instead of at maximum file size points?

It sounds like even with split files that they play consecutively without pause if they are in the same playlist.

[deank]

Yes, there is a bit-set for seamless connection in mpls/clpi files.

I'll think of it, but at this point I think you've all got a pretty nice feature already.

You can post in other forums about Panasonic SDHC support in multiAVCHD and of course I'll be glad if more people support multiAVCHD - I've put too much time in it already. :D

***

After all... if more people support multiAVCHD I can do another round in those Chicago bars I liked years ago :)

[jfcarbel]

Yes, there is a bit-set for seamless connection in mpls/clpi files.

I'll think of it, but at this point I think you've all got a pretty nice feature already.

You can post in other forums about Panasonic SDHC support in multiAVCHD and of course I'll be glad if more people support multiAVCHD - I've put too much time in it already. :D

***

After all... if more people support multiAVCHD I can do another round in those Chicago bars I liked years ago :)

Agreed, the feature set is quite solid now and chapters is really just a nice extra to have but not neccessary, so if others want this feature then donate, but I agree you have got us to where we really wanted for Panasonic support.

Hey, if you are in Chicago again, definitely PM me and I will buy you a few rounds myself. I know of quite a few cool places myself :)

[davsim]

Well, you didn't need to test the sample... Just add your own files in build 545 and do your own compilation to see if it will work.
BD60 results with build 545:

I just made a compilation of all the 5 source files I used for the single test clips I posted earlier. All 5 clips had different resolutions and framerates. It worked great. They all played in sequence, skip back/forward worked and all 5 videos were listed in the playlist. Fantastic work!

The 5 clips were:

1280x720, 24 fps
1280x720, 59.94 fps
1920x1080, 29.97 fps
720x480, 29.97 fps, 4:3
720x480, 29.97 fps, 16:9

The only minor issue I had was that the 720x480 16:9 video, although flagged as 16:9 by MKVMerge and shown as Display Aspect Ratio 16/9 in MediaInfo, was displayed as 4:3 and the multiAVCHD output .MTS file shows an incorrect Display Aspect Ratio of 1.5.

I previously used the force AR to 16:9 option in multiAVCHD with my single title test, but I was afraid that option would affect all titles, including the one that was meant to be 4:3.

As I said, it's just a minor issue having to do with Standard Def and I can easily plan to work around it by keeping my 4:3 video in a different compilation than any 16:9 Standard Definition videos.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Can you try with ONE title only with your TV? I guess there is something special, but I have no idea at this point. I think movieobj.bdm for TVs is just one simple Play command instead of using registers and fancy nav-commands.Just tried with one title and sadly my TV reports "No Valid File To Play"... Bummer!

[deank]

Force 16:9 won't do any harm to your other videos since they are already 16:9. Give it a try with the option with all 5 - it should work. (edit: sorry... I didn't see you have two 720x files...)

@SMD: with build 545?

[SeeMoreDigital]

SMD: with build 545?Yes....

[deank]

You may want to add other folder DCIM/MISC/AVCHDTN because output in 535 is exactly the same as in the samples and previous builds when using 1 title.

I just used fc.exe to binary compare index/movieobj and they are the same as before.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've also noticed that every time I launch multiAVCHD I have to click on the "Author" tab and check the "Panasonic SDHC Output" option. I did not have to do this with previous versions.

Do you think my install has become borked?

[deank]

I previously used the force AR to 16:9 option in multiAVCHD with my single title test, but I was afraid that option would affect all titles, including the one that was meant to be 4:3.

Can you manually update with multiUPDATE and try with both 720x480 resolutions (4:3 and 16:9) without [x] Force 16:9 option. If tsmuxer recognizes them properly - they won't be changed by multiAVCHD.


@SMD: No, the option is auto-unchecked at each start. Manually update with multiUPDATE.exe and it be kept. Also Editor tab will be present always.

[SeeMoreDigital]

@SMD: No, the option is auto-unchecked at each start.Okay...

I'm off to bed now.... but before I go, I've just noticed that roman76r has provided an "Alpha Status" version of TSmuxer with MP4/MOV muxing ;)

Works okay with .MP4 sources

[davsim]

Can you manually update with multiUPDATE and try with both 720x480 resolutions (4:3 and 16:9) without [x] Force 16:9 option. If tsmuxer recognizes them properly - they won't be changed by multiAVCHD.
I updated, but I was already using build 545, so it didn't change.

I made new compilations with two files:

720x480, 29.97 fps, 4:3
720x480, 29.97 fps, 16:9

Without "Force 16:9" the 4:3 clip plays correctly and the 16:9 clip is displayed incorrectly as 4:3.

With "Force 16:9" the 16:9 clip plays correctly and the 4:3 is incorrectly squeezed to 16:9.

Again, the 16:9 file was manually flagged as 16:9 by MKVMerge and the Display Aspect Ratio is displayed at 16/9 in MediaInfo.

Even with "Force 16:9" the multiAVCHD output .MTS file Display Aspect Ratio is shown as 1.5 in MediaInfo, but it does play properly with "Force 16:9" selected.

This leads me to suspect there are two places where the aspect ratio is set. The .MTS output from multiAVCHD seems to ignore the input MKV aspect ratio setting and just set the aspect ratio from the resolution (meaning that 720x480 .MTS shows as DAR 1.5 regardless of whether the source was flagged as 4/3(1.33) or 16:9).

The "Force 16:9" setting seems to be setting a flag somewhere else in the authored file structure, which is why it can play a DAR 1.5 file properly as 16:9.

[espero]

Hi Dean,

Thank you for your great application.

Unfortunately it didn't work for me. I have Panasonic TV. I tried to convert some mkv to play it in the SDHC slot of my TV. Unfortunately "no valid file to play" appeared...

Here is the log:

[00:31:59] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 545)

[00:31:59] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[00:31:59] only 40 title(s).

[00:31:59] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[00:31:59] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[00:31:59] You enabled Panasonic SDHC output. Only 1 title(s) will be available!
[00:31:59] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\Archive\video\h264\BBC.Earth.Power.of.the.Planet.1of5.Volcano.mkv).
[00:31:59] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 25.000fps (AR:1.78)
[00:31:59] Detected audio: ID#3:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: eng
[00:32:00] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[00:32:00] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[00:33:14] Done!
[00:33:14] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[00:33:15] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[00:33:15] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[00:33:15] Preparing authoring information...
[00:33:15] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[00:33:15] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[00:33:15] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[00:33:15] Completed.
[00:33:15] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[00:33:15] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[00:33:15] Done!
[00:33:15] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[00:33:15] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.

Of course I put AVCHD folder inside Private folder on the root directory of SD card.

Maybe I am doing something wrong?

Greetings,
Peter

[deank]

[00:33:15] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[00:33:15] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!

What is your player?

[deank]

This leads me to suspect there are two places where the aspect ratio is set. The .MTS output from multiAVCHD seems to ignore the input MKV aspect ratio setting and just set the aspect ratio from the resolution (meanung that 720x480 .MTS shows as DAR 1.5 regardless of whether the source was flagged as 4/3(1.33) or 16:9).

That's what it did, but I changed it so it wouldn't touch tsmuxer decision about AR (in clpi file). I'll see if I can add MKV AR to be set instead.

[espero]

[00:33:15] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[00:33:15] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!

What is your player?

Player is Panasonic Plasma TV, european version: 50PY800E

[deank]

SeeMoreDigital said it played on his TV with the samples. And I was asking about TV system - that's why I re-posted his log, because it is 25fps.

Try to put your DCIM and MISC folders too in the root of the card. Also - it is possible that this file uses specific option - not compatible with TV AVCHD playback - I have no way of knowing.

[davsim]

That's what it did, but I changed it so it wouldn't touch tsmuxer decision about AR (in clpi file). I'll see if I can add MKV AR to be set instead.
Or perhaps there is a way to set the external Force 16:9 flag for each individual title rather than in the video?

If it's not a straightforward fix, please don't worry too much about it. I don't want this change for a minor issue to cause any other new problems.

[espero]

SeeMoreDigital said it played on his TV with the samples. And I was asking about TV system - that's why I re-posted his log, because it is 25fps.

Try to put your DCIM and MISC folders too in the root of the card. Also - it is possible that this file uses specific option - not compatible with TV AVCHD playback - I have no way of knowing.

I already have these folders...
Can you send me the links to files that SMD tested with Panasonic TV?

Tomorrow I will test it with another mkv's that I have and also with your test files...

[deank]

Or perhaps there is a way to set the external Force 16:9 flag for each individual title rather than in the video?


Wait a bit.

@espero: http://rapidshare.com/files/225328179/SD_TEST10.exe

[deank]

AR for mixed 4:3/16:9 mkv files is fixed.

[jason_peters010]

can someone help me with this error? i tried dropping 1 8gig .m2ts file into the media tab. txmuxer failure?

[22:27:39] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[22:27:39] Temp folder does not exist. Set to C:\_TEMP.
[22:27:39] Converting file to BDMV (C:\Users\Jason\Desktop\00000.m2ts).
[22:27:39] Track#4352 delay: -33ms
[22:27:39] Track has 2 channels.
[22:27:39] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[22:27:39] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[22:27:39] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[22:27:39] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[22:27:39] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[22:27:39] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[22:27:39] Done!
[22:27:39] Important files missing (clpi/mpls/m2ts)...
[22:27:39] Possible tsMuxer failure to process your input file (C:\Users\Jason\Desktop\00000.m2ts).
[22:27:39] Preparing authoring information...
[22:27:39] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[22:27:40] Setting menu for 0 titles...
[22:27:40] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[22:27:40] Completed.
[22:27:40] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[22:27:40] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[22:27:40] Done!
[22:27:40] 1 other warnings/errors!
[22:27:40] C:\Users\Jason\Downloads\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[22:27:40] Copy C:\Users\Jason\Downloads\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[22:27:40] Deleting only files in temp folder (C:\_TEMP\)...
[22:27:40] You may now remove temp folder (C:\_TEMP\).
[22:27:40] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.
[22:27:40] End of log.

[deank]

Can someone try using split points (multiple mts files) to test with Panasonic BD players?

1) Load a mkv file ~ 1GB
2) Muxer tab: Cut-end: 240
3) Muxer tab: m2ts split at: 40
4) check [x] Panasonic output
5) Create a compilation (STREAM should contain multiple files)
6) Test with BD player (SDHC)

Dean

[Sanosuke]

I already have these folders...
Can you send me the links to files that SMD tested with Panasonic TV?

Tomorrow I will test it with another mkv's that I have and also with your test files...

Hi everyone

Well I have an TH-42PZ80 and in Brazil we use 60Hz. The sample#10 (SD_Test10) didn`t work at TV for instance. I did not tested the samples sent by SMD but I believe that it won`t work too, due to last reports.

[deank]

You can try this one:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1277716#post1277716

[davsim]

Panasonic BD60 testing build 547 for Aspect Ratio flag detection per title and mixed aspect ratio compilation.

First, I tested 3 clips in a mixed compilation. The clips I used were the MKV source files from the earlier tests I posted, plus one new clip. All tests were done in build 547 without "Force 16:9".

SD_TEST_DS004 720x480, 4:3, 29.97, 02:20s
SD_TEST_DS005 720x480, 16:9, 29.97, 00:46s
SD_TEST_DS006 (http://drop.io/fbraq71#) 720x480, 16:9, 29.97, 02:29s

The Aspect Ratio detection and switching is working, from title to title. The 4:3 and both 16:9 clips were played at their proper aspect ratios.

During this test, I noticed something which I hadn't before. It is possibly a Panasonic bug or poor performance.

On build 547 compilations or single titles, the 720x480 16:9 titles have a long delay before playing. From the playlist, when you press Play the screen goes to black, then the counter shows 00:00 for about 9 seconds, then the video starts playing at 00:10s. So the first 9 seconds of the video/audio is cut off.

I re-checked the source .MKV and multiAVCHD .MTS files and there is no missing video/audio. The full clips play from the beginning on a PC.

So, I checked build 547 with 720x480 4:3. Although there is a slight delay before playing, the full video plays from the beginning on the Panasonic.

I thought this might have something to do with the method to detect 16:9, so I went back and checked my old SD_TEST_DS005 which was authored with build 540 and the "Force 16:9" option. Once again, the first 9 seconds of the video is skipped and playback starts from 00:10s. So, this was happening before only with "Force 16:9" but I didn't notice earlier.

As a further test, I re-authored my old test SD_TEST_DS002 1280x720P with a longer duration on build 547:

SD_TEST_DS007 (http://drop.io/pohzklo#) 1280x720, 16/9, 59.94fps, 00:29s

When authored, this clip is shown as 1.778 in the multiAVCHD log. When played in the Panasonic, the screen is black and the display shows 00:00 for 4-5 seconds, then the clip starts playing from 00:01s. In the case of this clip, the first two words of dialog are cut off (and corresponding video).

I went back and played my old shorter clip SD_TEST_DS002 authored with build 540 (no 16:9 detection) and the full video/audio played properly from the beginning with nothing missing from the start.

This may simply be a Panasonic problem, so I don't know if there is a fix for the delay playing back with this Force 16:9 technique.

Since I have only just noticed this, perhaps someone else can download SD_TEST_DS006 (http://drop.io/fbraq71#) and see if it cuts off the first 9 seconds on their player.

[deank]

Can you repeat the test with the latest build (updated just 1 min ago).

Are you using SDHC card or a regular SD/MMC? Can you repeat the test with the same content burnt to a DVD disc?

[davsim]

Can someone try using split points (multiple mts files) to test with Panasonic BD players?

1) Load a mkv file ~ 1GB
2) Muxer tab: Cut-end: 240
3) Muxer tab: m2ts split at: 40
4) check [x] Panasonic output
5) Create a compilation (STREAM should contain multiple files)
6) Test with BD player (SDHC)
Tested on BD60 with build 547.

Source: was the 58m:58s 1280x720, 59.94fps video I used before

In playlist it shows as one title with duration 03:59 (the sum of 4 clips). There is an "X" next to the title and when I try to play, it says "Cannot Play".

I tried a workaround which I used with someone else's sample from the other thread (1280x720_25fps.7z). I hit Return to exit the Direct Navigation playlist and went back to the blue Panasonic default background with no menu. Then I pressed play. The video did play all the way through.

- The beginning was clipped 9 seconds in the same way as described in my post above.

- The playback of 4 consecutive titles seemed to be seamless. Nicely done.

- Skip forward/back did not work. (Operation prohibited.) This may have to do with playing from the default blue screen rather than the Direct Navigation playlist.

Are you using SDHC card or a regular SD/MMC?
I am using a 2GB regular SD card because I do not have any PC with an SDHC slot (only SD). I haven't noticed any previous performance issues though. My earlier tests with 720P and 1080i 14-15Mbps without the 16:9 detection played at full speed without cutting anything off. My current tests with missing 9 seconds are only 3-4Mbps.

[deank]

Okay - nice... This seems to be a workaround for SPLIT files.

Example:

1) You have 8GB card.
2) Load 4.5GB MKV.
3) Set split at 4000MiB in multiAVCHD.
4) Ignore the warning.
5) Create [AVCHD for Panasonic SDHC]
6) Click the remote: PLAY - RETURN - PLAY.

:)


edit: May be Skip to next will work if you add more than 1 title - you can try.
edit2: I updated multiAVCHD to build 549 to process more MPL and CPI files... You can try again.

[jbalsor]

I will try, I have a 16gb card, and a 4.63 gb mkv that i will split at 4000mb with 549.

[deank]

Make sure it is formatted with Panasonic SD formatter.
I don't know if your players support over 8GB cards - you need to check your player user's manual.

[davsim]

Can you repeat the test with the latest build (updated just 1 min ago).
I repeated my compilation test on BD60 with build 548.

I used the previously posted test clip source MKV files, but I combined the HD and Standard Def clips.

SD_TEST_DS007 1280x720, 16:9, 59.94fps, 00:29s
SD_TEST_DS006 720x480, 16:9, 29.97, 02:29s
SD_TEST_DS004 720x480, 4:3, 29.97, 02:20s

I still find a similar delay on the 16:9 clips as reported in my previous post. The 1280x720 is now missing the first 3 words instead of just 2 (cutting the first 1s). The second clip 720x480 is still missing 9 seconds. This problem happens regardless of whether the individual video is played from the playlist or consecutively or skipped forward/back to play.

I don't know if your players support over 8GB cards - you need to check your player user's manual.
The manual mentions SDHC from 4GB to 32GB.

[davsim]

I will try, I have a 16gb card, and a 4.63 gb mkv that i will split at 4000mb with 549.

Since you have SDHC, would you mind also testing this clip to see if the first 9 seconds are cut off? Press play and watch the counter. Mine stays on 00:00 on a black screen for 9 seconds, then jumps to 00:10 and finally starts playing.

SD_TEST_DS006 (http://drop.io/fbraq71#)

The clip should start with a green movie trailer "Preview has been approved for" screen, but on mine it starts with an overhead shot of surfboards.

[jbalsor]

Build 549 update.
16gb sdhc
I loaded a 4.37gb mkv (ends up being 4.63 after multiavchd is done)
1280x720 23.97fps
Set the mts split at 4000
Loaded perfectly in my NTSC Model SC-BT100 and showed one title 1hr33min...(no "X" by title)
Playing fine as we speak, DID NOT have to do the workaround mentioned above, it just worked.
The only glitch is i cannot FF or REW it freezes and goes back to title menu.

@davsim i will try your sample and report back

[deank]

@davsim: can you check the split option again with the latest build to see if it will need the play-return-play steps. I think I fixed it, but still..

Also - the 16:9 thing has nothing to do with this 10sec delay. You're using tsmuxer 1.9.9, right? It may be because of the PTS stamps in the video... Also - try with normal MKV file - not a trailer. I've experienced problems with some AVC in MP4/MOV which have audio misaligned purposely at the end of the green warning.

[davsim]

1) Load a mkv file ~ 1GB
2) Muxer tab: Cut-end: 240
3) Muxer tab: m2ts split at: 40
4) check [x] Panasonic output
5) Create a compilation (STREAM should contain multiple files)
6) Test with BD player (SDHC)

I updated multiAVCHD to build 549 to process more MPL and CPI files... You can try again.

BD60 build 549.

This now plays normally from the Direct Navigator playlist. Still nice and seamless. (9 seconds are still cut off from the beginning of a 720P source mkv).

The only glitch is i cannot FF or REW it freezes and goes back to title menu.
Hmm, fast forward/rewind works on my split test clip build 549.

[deank]

Great. So now we have Panasonic SDHC mode 100% functional and non-restricted. Large files (split @ FAT limit 4GiB) with multiple MPLS/CLPI/M2TS.

davsim: You don't have [CUT START] option changed in multiAVCHD, right?

[jbalsor]

@davsim

Your clip starts at 4 seconds on my player, shows disney splash screen.

Also with your clip i can ff and rew, so it must be something to do with he other file I tired or maybe a setting in multiavchd?.

AWESOME WORK DEANK

[deank]

:D

Another request I posted in multiAVCHD thread:

Please someone with Panasonic/Samsung test if your players will play:

[AVCHD for DVD-R] output with [x] Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked (i.e. without CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA and all other non-AVCHD folders).

Don't use [x] Panasonic SDHC option but a normal multiAVCHD compilation with avchd for dvd-r button and [x] stricter option in settings and burn to DVD-RW.

Dean

[jbalsor]

I would deank, but i have no RW's

what does the stricter option mean, mine has been checked all the while

[deank]

It has effect only with [AVCHD for DVD-R] and will make multiAVCHD not generate AUXDATA/CERTIFICATE/BDJO/JAR/META/etc... folders.

***

Another thing to try next is to enable FOLDER input mode with [x] Panasonic output and see if it will work.

Can you UNcheck [x] Panasonic in AUTHOR tab, ADD 4-5 AVCHD folders, CHECK [x] Panasonic and create [AVCHD for Panasonic] output for testing?

[davsim]

@davsim

Your clip starts at 4 seconds on my player, shows disney splash screen.
Thanks. So, it's not just my player, but your delay is shorter (due to SDHC vs. standard SD?).

davsim: You don't have [CUT START] option changed in multiAVCHD, right?

No.

Also - try with normal MKV file - not a trailer. I've experienced problems with some AVC in MP4/MOV which have audio misaligned purposely at the end of the green warning.

That file was mp4/mov/aac source, but it was fully re-encoded with MeGUI to x264/ac3 because of the wrong aspect ratio and resolution.

I also had the same delay on another earlier test file I posted done with build 540. The source of that video was broadcast MPEG2/MP2 audio also fully re-encoded with MeGUI to x264/ac3.

Both of the above mentioned .MTS files from multiAVCHD play fully from the start when played on a PC in Media Player Classic.

Can you repeat the test with the same content burnt to a DVD disc?

Well, I tested with DVD-R. I authored one disc with multiAVCHD build 549 (TsMuxer 1.9.9) and one just with TsMuxer/GUI 1.9.7 alone. Both DVD-R discs had the same 9 seconds missing at the start of the video when played on my BD60.

I played the multiAVCHD DVD-R in my PC with PowerDVD and it played correctly, starting from the very beginning without cutting anything.

I looked at another of my previously authored TsMuxer AVCHD DVD-R discs, which was an MKV I did not encode myself and that disc does not seem to have anything cut off when played on the BD60.

[deank]

In build 550 you can now import previous AVCHD folders (normal multiAVCHD or Panasonic type or Blu-ray type or Camcoder type).

Dean

[davsim]

[AVCHD for DVD-R] output with [x] Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked (i.e. without CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA and all other non-AVCHD folders).

Don't use [x] Panasonic SDHC option but a normal multiAVCHD compilation with avchd for dvd-r button and [x] stricter option in settings and burn to DVD-RW.
I don't have any DVD-RW, but I checked my multiAVCHD settings and "Stricter AVCHD folder mode" has been checked throughout my testing. I just made a new DVD-R of a 30 sec 1280x720P video with only the BDMV folder on the disc and it played (cut off 9 secs again).

Another thing to try next is to enable FOLDER input mode with [x] Panasonic output and see if it will work.

Can you UNcheck [x] Panasonic in AUTHOR tab, ADD 4-5 AVCHD folders, CHECK [x] Panasonic and create [AVCHD for Panasonic] output for testing?
Yes, this works. I brought in 5 AVCHD folders. 4 were single titles and one was a 3 title compilation. BD60 build 550.

All 7 videos showed up in the Direct Navigator playlist and played fine (except for some videos missing a few seconds at the start.


I'll be out for a while, so I'll check in again later.

[deank]

In build 550 you don't need to uncheck [x] Panasonic output to import folders. It will work as usual.

[jfcarbel]

Thanks. So, it's not just my player, but your delay is shorter (due to SDHC vs. standard SD?).

On that note, newegg has a great deal on Class 6 Kingston SDHC 8GB for $21 (limit 2 per customer).

I just ordered 2 of them. Class 6 is the fastest version they make for SDHC and thats a very good price.

[deank]

@jfcarbel: Are you able to test what I asked in post #124?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Dean,

For some reason the newest build (version 2.6 build 549+) is still unable to create "PAL" muxes that work with my Panasonic TV :(

From what I remember, the last build that worked was 543. Could you provide me with this again so I can generate some muxes as a cross-check?


Many thanks

[deank]

I don't have older builds. If any of the samples work with your TV, can you create a new and replace the index/movieobj files and test? I have no idea what could cause your TV to stop playing the output. Try with a single title, small file, one mpls/clpi/m2ts.

Build 543 used one title, one mpls/clpi/m2ts and bdmv files are the same as in the latest build when using 1 title/file input. If you have a sample that works with your TV - post a link so I can see what is wrong(?!).

[espero]

Deank:

As I promised I tried some different files. It seems your program do not work for Panasonic TV's at all...

1. I tried this movie (the same as before) with today version of your program - no luck

2. I tried SD_TEST10.exe, I put all of the files on a card - no luck

3. I tried to author mts from above archive again:

[23:33:48] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 551)

[23:33:48] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[23:33:48] only 40 title(s).

[23:33:48] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[23:33:48] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[23:33:48] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS).
[23:33:49] Track has 6 channels.
[23:33:49] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[23:33:49] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[23:33:49] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[23:33:49] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[23:33:49] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[23:33:49] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[23:33:49] Done!
[23:33:49] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[23:33:49] Preparing authoring information...
[23:33:49] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[23:33:49] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[23:33:49] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[23:33:49] Completed.
[23:33:49] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[23:33:49] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[23:33:49] Done!
[23:33:49] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[23:33:49] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[23:33:49] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[23:33:50] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[23:33:50] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 9sec of video material.
[23:33:50] End of log.

no luck - TV says not valid file found.

3. I tried to author mts from my HD camera:


[23:37:07] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 551)

[23:37:07] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[23:37:07] only 40 title(s).

[23:37:07] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[23:37:07] Existing c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\ renamed to c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD-20090427-233707
[23:37:07] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[23:37:07] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\00000.MTS).
[23:37:08] Track#4352 delay: -80ms
[23:37:08] Track has 6 channels.
[23:37:08] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[23:37:08] Adding subtitles (ID#4608)
[23:37:08] Total of 3 tracks found in this file.
[23:37:08] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[23:37:08] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[23:37:08] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[23:37:08] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[23:37:09] Done!
[23:37:09] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[23:37:09] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[23:37:09] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[23:37:09] Preparing authoring information...
[23:37:09] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[23:37:09] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[23:37:09] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[23:37:09] Completed.
[23:37:09] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[23:37:10] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[23:37:10] Done!
[23:37:10] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[23:37:10] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[23:37:10] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[23:37:10] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[23:37:10] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 14sec of video material.
[23:37:10] End of log.

no luck - the same situation.

I would like to say that above file - from my camera works fine when I put this together with original mpl, cpi, bdm files generated by camera.

Please try to find out what is happening... I was so glad to hear you said that it works for Panasonic SDHC... :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

I don't have older builds. If any of the samples work with your TV, can you create a new and replace the index/movieobj files and test?Bugger...

I did not keep any of my older muxes/samples!

I wonder if anybody else kept any of the older builds?

[jfcarbel]

@jfcarbel: Are you able to test what I asked in post #124?

I will give it a try and report back.

UPDATE:
It now works, my Panasonic BD30 can now play it even with the Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked

Great work, thanks.

[jason_peters010]

Deank: can you tell me why i'm getting this error for a .m2ts file that is under 4 gig in size?

[22:59:09] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[22:59:09] Temp folder does not exist. Set to C:\_TEMP.
[22:59:09] Converting PLAYLIST to BDMV (C:\movie\HDWRITER\090425_1\PRIVATE\AVCHDL\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls).
[22:59:09] SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.8.18(b) http://www.smlabs.net
[22:59:09] Detected resolution: 1920x1080
[22:59:09] Detected video: V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC (TID#4113)
[22:59:09] Only this video track will be kept!
[22:59:09] Detected audio: A_AC3 (TID#4352 / language: und)
[22:59:09] Detected media file: 00000.m2ts
[22:59:09] Detected chapter mark: 00:00:00.000;00:05:00.000;00:10:00.000;00:15:00.000;00:20:00.000
[22:59:09] Detected chapter mark: 00:25:00.000;00:30:00.000;00:35:00.000;00:40:00.000;00:45:00.000
[22:59:09] Detected media file: 00001.m2ts
[22:59:09] Detected chapter mark: 00:50:00.000;00:55:00.000;01:00:00.000;01:05:00.000;01:10:00.000
[22:59:09] Detected chapter mark: 01:15:00.000;01:20:00.000;01:25:00.000;01:30:00.000
[22:59:09] Detected media file: 00002.m2ts
[22:59:09] Detected chapter mark: 01:35:00.000
[22:59:09] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxeR)...
[22:59:09] Done!
[22:59:09] Important files missing (clpi/mpls/m2ts)...
[22:59:09] Possible tsMuxer failure to process your input file (C:\movie\HDWRITER\090425_1\PRIVATE\AVCHDL\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls).
[22:59:09] Preparing authoring information...
[22:59:09] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[22:59:09] Setting menu for 0 titles...
[22:59:09] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[22:59:09] Completed.
[22:59:09] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[22:59:10] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[22:59:10] Done!
[22:59:10] 1 other warnings/errors!
[22:59:10] C:\Users\Jason\Downloads\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[22:59:10] Copy C:\Users\Jason\Downloads\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[22:59:10] Deleting only files in temp folder (C:\_TEMP\)...
[22:59:10] You may now remove temp folder (C:\_TEMP\).
[22:59:10] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.
[22:59:10] End of log.

[deank]

I will give it a try and report back.

UPDATE:
It now works, my Panasonic BD30 can now play it even with the Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked

Great work, thanks.

So it means no more tricks with Panasonic BD players with these AUX/CERTIFICATE folders if content is true AVCHD.

Deank: can you tell me why i'm getting this error for a .m2ts file that is under 4 gig in size?

You're using old version of tsMuxeR. Please go to multiAVCHD thread (1st page) and download THE COMPLETE FULL Setup_multiAVCHD_2.6.exe. Extract it to a clean location - for example D:\ and try again.

And another thing: you're importing HDwriter folder. Answer "NO" when the prompt with question about individual playlists appears. It is for Blu-ray import, not AVCHD, although it should work.

@SMD: You didn't update your tsMuxeR to other version than 1.9.9, right? Can you just download some of the samples you remember to work. There are links in this thread and in multiAVCHD's.

[SeeMoreDigital]

@SMD: You didn't update your tsMuxeR to other version than 1.9.9, right? Can you just download some of the samples you remember to work. There are links in this thread and in multiAVCHD's.No, I haven't updated TSmuxer...

Unfortunately, all the linked samples all seem to be NTSC. Although my BD35 can play NTSC and PAL, my PZ81-B TV only appears to support PAL.

Is there anybody out-there that can generate a PAL sample for me?

[deank]

I would like to say that above file - from my camera works fine when I put this together with original mpl, cpi, bdm files generated by camera.

Send me these files mpl/cpi/bdm. Also try to replace only one file at a time: 1st replace the MPL only and check if it will work... if not - restore original and replace CPI only.

Post back.

[deank]

@SMD: I just generated one:

SD_TEST15 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/SD_TEST15.exe) (500K) 1920x1080p@25fps with AC3 audio (build 551).

SD_TEST16 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/SD_TEST15.exe) (500K) 1920x1080p@25fps with AC3 audio (build 543).

multiAVCHD build 543 (from digital-digest). (http://www.digital-digest.com/software/download-1795_0_26_file_Setup_multiAVCHD_2.6.exe.html)

Also there is a link to 2.6.540 - the first build with Panasonic SDHC here (http://www.digital-digest.com/software/download-1795_0_25_file_Setup_multiAVCHD_2.6.exe.html).

Extract them to different location and make sure to answer NO when the UPDATE prompt appears.

[espero]

Send me these files mpl/cpi/bdm. Also try to replace only one file at a time: 1st replace the MPL only and check if it will work... if not - restore original and replace CPI only.

Post back.

I have just sent you an email with file structure which works (from camera) and file structure which doesnt work (file from the camera authored by multiAVCHD). Later I will send you results of my experiments with replacing files...
Greetings.

[Emulgator]

SeeMoreDigital:
I can help you with builds 494,510,515,538,540,542,547.

[espero]

OK, here goes my experiences with replacing files:

1. I put the working files (from camera) to SD card - SUCCESS
2. I replaced cpi file for this generated by multiAVCHD (for the same 0000.mts) - FAILED
3. I replaced cpi to original and replaced mpl - FAILED
4. I replaced mpl to original and replaced index.bdm - SUCCESS
5. I replaced index.bdm to original and replaced movieobj.bdm - SUCCESS
6. I replaced movieobj.bdm to original and replaced 0000.mts for this muxed by multiAVCHD - FAILED!

I made another experiments. With the replaced 0000.mts (muxed by multiAVCHD) I replaced:

1. cpi for this generated by multiAVCHD - FAILED
2. mpl for this generated by multiAVCHD - FAILED


SD_TEST15 (500K) 1920x1080p@25fps with AC3 audio (build 551) - FAILED

SD_TEST16 (500K) 1920x1080p@25fps with AC3 audio (build 543) - FAILED

[deank]

I doubt I can do anything. Panasonic BD players seem to work fine with multiAVCHD output. TV's are a strange breed.

Can you format your SDHC card in the camcoder, record ONLY ONE 10sec clip and send me the whole structure with all files?

Dean

[espero]

I doubt I can do anything. Panasonic BD players seem to work fine with multiAVCHD output. TV's are a strange breed.

Can you format your SDHC card in the camcoder, record ONLY ONE 10sec clip and send me the whole structure with all files?

Dean

(I have just sent you an email)

Unfortunately I can't :( I have a movie which is not backed up. I tried also the movie from another AVC cameras and it worked. I will try to find on the Internet some complete one short clip together with all files. Maybe you have something like this? from another camera? As I said - it works from any AVCHD camera...

Maybe someone from here can send such clip? It would be great!

[Mtz]

Here is the only exe file for 543 version requested by SMD:
http://uploaded.to/file/jxs8mh
Was just a pure luck because I didn't pressed the upgrade button. ;)

Offtopic: what type of video files are played by these HDTVs? Only AVCHD?

enjoy,
Mtz

[deank]

They play H.264 AVC but the problems come from the auxiliary files (bdm/mpl/cpi), not media-files (mts).

[espero]

They play H.264 AVC but the problems come from the auxiliary files (bdm/mpl/cpi), not media-files (mts).

They play also MPEG2 (I dont know how, but there is such information in the manual).

Peter

[deank]

Sadly, I own Panasonic Viera TH-42PY85P which has SDHC slot, but no AVCHD support.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Many thanks everybody for your help :)

After much testing I have determined that the only version capable of generating compatible PAL muxes for use with my Panasonic PZ81 TV is.... "Build 540 - 2009-02-24".

I can now confirm that all builds above 540 fail with my Panasonic PZ81 TV but work fine with my BD-35.

This is most bizarre as I felt sure that other builds worked with my TV :eek:

[deank]

Good. I think I know what the problem is.

Can you take a look at all CPI/MPL files generated with 540 that work on your TV?

Check if CPI have CLEX segment and MPL have PLEX segment at the end (using HEX editor).

Dean

[SeeMoreDigital]

Good. I think I know what the problem is.

Can you take a look at all CPI/MPL files generated with 540 that work on your TV?

Check if CPI have CLEX segment and MPL have PLEX segment at the end (using HEX editor).

DeanHere (http://rapidshare.de/files/46941302/CPI_and_MPL_Files_from_Build_540.7z.html) are the "Build 540" CPI and MPL files for you Dean

[deank]

Please try again with the latest update (it is still build 552 but will update). There is an option in AUTHOR - ..for Panasonic Viera TV sets. Check it and test.

I really didn't see anything wrong with the cli/mpl files, but changed the 'title' to be displayed - let me know if it works.

Dean

[Sanosuke]

Hi Dean

Where did you uploaded this new version? because on the multiAVCHD thread the build version is written "551"

tks

[deank]

It will update itself when you start it.

[espero]

Hi,

When I press the button AVCHD for Panasonic TV, program after short while ends with error:

(RT) Invalid array index. Array is empty - Line 10138.

:(

It seems that it creates all files but ends with above error. I put these files on SD card (tried to author mts file from the camera) - effect the same - TV doesnt recognize this...

[deank]

Can you execute multiUPDATE and try again?

(at this point line 10138 - files are not complete and won't work)

[espero]

OK, error disappeared but the effect is the same :( TV do not recognize it.

Some time ago I tried to author AVCHD movie by TMPGenc Xpress and it worked on this TV. Program of course made recompression, so this solution is non-sense. I can make it again and send you all files (except mts), how do you think? It would be usefull for you?

here is the log:
[15:39:26] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 553)

[15:39:26] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[15:39:26] only 40 title(s).

[15:39:26] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[15:39:26] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[15:39:26] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\00000.MTS).
[15:39:27] Track#4352 delay: -80ms
[15:39:27] Track has 6 channels.
[15:39:27] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#4352)
[15:39:27] Adding subtitles (ID#4608)
[15:39:27] Total of 3 tracks found in this file.
[15:39:27] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[15:39:27] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[15:39:27] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[15:39:27] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[15:39:28] Done!
[15:39:28] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[15:39:28] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[15:39:28] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[15:39:28] Preparing authoring information...
[15:39:28] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[15:39:29] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[15:39:29] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[15:39:29] Completed.
[15:39:29] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[15:39:29] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[15:39:29] Done!
[15:39:29] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[15:39:29] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[15:39:29] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[15:39:29] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[15:39:29] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 14sec of video material.
[15:39:29] End of log.

[deank]

I'll wait for SMD to test with his TV. The sample files he sent do not indicate what could be the exact problem and difference between build 540 and 553.

On the other hand you were never successful with any of the samples posted in this thread, so I wouldn't expect it to work for your TV. The samples you sent contain data which I cannot recreate - like menu, navigation graphics, etc.

[espero]

SMD was successfull only using older version... I am almost sure that his TV and mine uses exactly the same AVCHD module...

It is impossible that in files which I sent you there are some menus, navigation graphics, etc because this camera do not support such features. And also Panasonic TV's do not support such things - these features are not needed for them and if they exist they are being ignored...

EDIT:
IT WORKED!!! I authored the same 0000.mts from the camera using build 540 and it worked!

I tried to author some other videos (720x576, 25fps, vob (mpg)) using build 540 with no luck. TV says it is not recognized:

[16:46:00] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 540)

[16:46:00] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[16:46:00] only one title (m2ts/mts/mpls/clpi).

[16:46:00] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[16:46:00] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[16:46:00] You enabled Panasonic SDHC output. Only one title will be available!
[16:46:00] Converting file to BDMV (C:\TTTT\video.mpg).
[16:46:00] Track has 6 channels.
[16:46:00] Adding AC3 audio track (ID#128)
[16:46:00] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[16:46:00] Generating meta file for tsMuxer...
[16:46:00] M2TS stream split set at 3999MiB...
[16:46:00] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[16:46:09] Done!
[16:46:09] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[16:46:09] You selected NTSC system, but clip contains PAL video (c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)
[16:46:09] It is possible that title won't play on NTSC players/PS3!
[16:46:09] Preparing authoring information...
[16:46:09] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[16:46:09] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[16:46:09] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[16:46:09] Completed.
[16:46:09] Applying Panasonic SDHC parameters...
[16:46:09] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[16:46:09] Done!
[16:46:09] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD folder created!
[16:46:09] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD_o\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[16:46:09] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[16:46:10] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[16:46:10] Your compilation contains 0hrs 3min 41sec of video material.
[16:46:10] End of log.

[deank]

Can you send me the output from build 540 and 553 in 2 different archives? Please use the same m2ts file and include it, too.

I'm really puzzled already.

[espero]

Here you go:

Made with b553+ (doesnt work)
http://rapidshare.com/files/227158754/Avchd_new.zip.html

Made with b540 (works)
http://rapidshare.com/files/227160112/Avchd_old.zip.html

[deank]

I downloaded 540 myself...

It is just absurd! Please try again your compilation with build 554 and let me know.

And please test without the option [x] Force level 4.1.

[espero]

:-(

It doesnt work with option Force level 4.1. ON and it doesnt work with option Force level 4.1. OFF
Of course newest version b554 of multiAVCHD (from the update)

Maybe option aspect ratio 16:9 should be on?!

What about option AVCHD/BDMV version 001 and 002? maybe this should be changed?

[deank]

I binary compared all files from build 540 and 554 and the only difference is the time-stamp - nothing else. You can try this in 554: delete your .ini file and do another test.

Also - can you check with mkv file, not mts.

There are 4 bytes that are different in the playlist, but those are generated by tsmuxer... What version do you have?

[espero]

I deleted ini file, checked again Panasonic SDHC and For Viera options and... the same.

I do not understand it either.......

I cant use mkv because I tried 3 of them and also one vob (720x576,25fps) and it doesnt worked even on b540...

[deank]

Execute multiUPDATE.exe and check again. It will work now... please let it work.

[espero]

cpi only difference is 1 byte but in mpl there are 13 differences, I think that something wrong (for this TV) is in playlist...

[deank]

Did you check with multiUPDATE.exe to update your multiAVCHD.exe? now playlists are identical. and cpis and everything... it is the chapter marks that cause the problem - just the same way as with Panasonic BD players... they refuse if there are chapter marks and TV's also have problem with it.

[espero]

Did you check with multiUPDATE? now playlists are identical.

YES - IT WORKS!

So the chapter marks shouldnt be there...

There is another problem, why any other mkv's, vob's etc are not working...

[deank]

Ok, lets see if build 555 will handle it all.

Hopefully it won't break anything in Panasonic BD players with SDHC - in fact it may make this 10s cut which davsim experienced go away.

[espero]

VOB doesnt work:

DVD "VOB" format
MPEG-2 Program Stream << { 1 vid, 1 aud }
Sys Bitrate: 10080 kb/s VBR
AC3, 48000Hz 448 kb/s tot , 6 chnls (3/2 .1)
720 x 576
25.000 fps

now I will try:
[19:16:03] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 555)
[19:16:03] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\volcano.mkv).
[19:16:04] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 25.000fps (AR:1.78)
[19:16:04] Detected audio: ID#3:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: eng

[deank]

Don't be greedy :)

How do you import VOB in multiAVCHD? I never said it is supported anyway. Do the other file-types work and do they play on your TV?

[espero]

Don't be greedy :)

How do you import VOB in multiAVCHD? I never said it is supported anyway. Do the other file-types work and do they play on your TV?

I thought VOB is equal to MPG?

Unfortunately two mkv's I tried doesnt work :( Do you have any idea why?

Full log:

[19:16:03] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 555)

[19:16:03] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[19:16:03] only 40 title(s).

[19:16:03] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[19:16:03] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[19:16:03] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\volcano.mkv).
[19:16:04] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 25.000fps (AR:1.78)
[19:16:04] Detected audio: ID#3:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/6ch) Language: eng
[19:16:04] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[19:16:04] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[19:17:22] Done!
[19:17:22] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[19:17:23] Preparing authoring information...
[19:17:23] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[19:17:23] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[19:17:23] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[19:17:23] Completed.
[19:17:23] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[19:17:24] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[19:17:24] Done!
[19:17:24] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[19:17:24] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[19:17:24] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[19:17:24] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[19:17:24] Your compilation contains 0hrs 59min 12sec of video material.
[19:17:24] End of log.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'll wait for SMD to test with his TV. The sample files he sent do not indicate what could be the exact problem and difference between build 540 and 553.Good news....

It looks as though build 554 has cracked the Panasonic TV issue :D

I dropped 6No files into the application, generated an AVCHD mux, transfered the folders onto an SD card and slid the card into my TV.

My TV had no problems displaying all the files on the card and selecting between them was very fast and stable.... Brilliant work Dean

[deank]

@SMD: can you please test with other (and longer) files like MKV, MTS, MPG, etc... It should all work in build 555.

@espero: It is posible that the level is too high or any other reason. Do all MKV files fail?

[espero]

SMD: can you upload to rapidshare some of these files which worked for you?

[Sanosuke]

Good news....

It looks as though build 554 has cracked the Panasonic TV issue :D

I dropped 6No files into the application, generated an AVCHD mux, transfered the folders onto an SD card and slid the card into my TV.

My TV had no problems displaying all the files on the card and selecting between them was very fast and stable.... Brilliant work Dean

Hi SMD

Actually I`ve been tried on the Viera brazilian version of 42PZ80. It plays AVCHD, but I don`t know but the last sample that Espero sent which worked (build 540) did not worked in this TV. For a while I thought that my TV was the problem but I got some files thru DMC-TS1 (Lumix with AVCHD lite) and the files had played ok. My question is if you are just using videos in PAL to make work at TV
Is it possible to send your samples to me to make tests on my TV?

tks

[deank]

@espero: Many thanks for helping with Panasonic TV issue so far. Thanks!

[espero]

@espero: It is posible that the level is too high or any other reason. Do all MKV files fail?

@espero: Many thanks for helping with Panasonic TV issue so far. Thanks!

my pleasure :)


I tried another file and it doesnt work :(

[19:58:35] Log started for multiAVCHD v2.6 (build 556)

[19:58:35] Panasonic output for SDHC cards will include
[19:58:35] only 40 title(s).

[19:58:35] Processing 1 input file/folder.
[19:58:35] Temp folder does not exist. Set to c:\_TEMP.
[19:58:35] Converting to BDMV structure (C:\TTTT\alaska.mkv).
[19:58:36] Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:1280x720 29.970fps (AR:1.78)
[19:58:36] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3:audio (48000Hz/2ch) Language: und
[19:58:36] Chapter marks ignored in Panasonic SDHC mode...
[19:58:36] Creating Blu-ray folders (tsMuxer)...
[19:59:49] Done!
[19:59:49] Processing playlist (00000.mpls)...
[19:59:50] Preparing authoring information...
[19:59:50] Top menu skipped. Playback will start from Title#1.
[19:59:50] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[19:59:50] Forced sequential playback from Title#1 forward.
[19:59:50] Completed.
[19:59:50] Applying Panasonic SDHC for TV parameters...
[19:59:50] Renaming files to FAT compatible 8.3 filenames...
[19:59:50] Done!
[19:59:50] c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD folder created!
[19:59:50] Copy c:\Program Files\_Video\multiAVCHD\AVCHD to X:\PRIVATE\ of SD/MMC card.
[19:59:50] Deleting only files in temp folder (c:\_TEMP\)...
[19:59:50] You may now remove temp folder (c:\_TEMP\).
[19:59:50] Your compilation contains 0hrs 58min 25sec of video material.
[19:59:50] End of log.

[deank]

It is possible that your PAL TV won't accept NTSC videos (like the alaska 29.970fps).

Process again your old mts file (25fps) with build 556 just to make sure there are no other issues.
Try with another PAL clips (25pfs).

* edit * : You can use "CUT END" in Muxer tab to shorten your test times :). Put 120 in the box and it will cut just 2 mins from your video.

[espero]

It is possible that your PAL TV won't accept NTSC videos (like the alaska 29.970fps).

Process again your old mts file (25fps) with build 556 just to make sure there are no other issues.
Try with another PAL clips (25pfs).

This TV support files from NTSC cameras. First file was PAL (25 fps) and also failed :(

It seems it is not possible to show any mkv converted to mts on this TV :( Maybe SMD will send me some working files...

What about option force 4.1 AVC level? maybe it will help?

*edit*
first PAL file - failed again (b556)... Thanx for help with CUT END :) it really shortened whole procedure...

[deank]

So which files work for you in the end?

Please post the exact parameters of your input videos (resolution, framerate, interlaced/progressive).

[espero]

So which files work for you in the end?

Please post the exact parameters of your input videos (resolution, framerate, interlaced/progressive).

works only files from the camera authored again by multiAVCHD:

Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1920x1088 [Video] Interlaced
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 448Kbps [Audio]

doesnt work: mkv's I have:

alaska.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]

volcano.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 25.00fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]

and one mkv from unknown reason tsmuxer cant load:
sample.mkv
Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 23.98fps [Video] Progressive
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch [Audio]

[deank]

A simple trick you can try:

Open (with HEX editor (http://www.handshake.de/user/chmaas/delphi/download/xvi32.zip)) 00000.CPI for one of the files you can't play and change zero-based offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X.

You can also try the same with the MPL file for this MTS/CPI pair @ offset 0x82.

I noticed that Panasonic's HDwriter (the version I have is 2.5E) will accept nothing but 1080i/1080p (values 0x4X and 0x6X).

Dean

[espero]

I reencoded part of volcano.mkv with the same resolution, same bitrate, but in interlaced mode instead of progressive - result - the same, doesn work.
Now I will try to reencode it to 1920x1080i and then play like you said...

edit:
reencoded volcano.mkv to 1920x1080i - doesnt work :(


edit 2:

WOW!!! :)

IT WORKS!!!

I changed the vaules as you said, and IT WORKS!!! Can you add such function to CHEAT these TV's? I changed 5X to 4X in both: CPI and MPL.

I think Panasonic Vieras only accepts 1980x1080i and 1980x1080p, ane maybe even not "p" since the cameras are only "i". I havent 1080p material so I cant check this...

[deank]

Can you try/test with uncropMKV and post back?

You have the full multiAVCHD download I guess.

[espero]

Can you try/test with uncropMKV and post back?

You have the full multiAVCHD download I guess.

hmmm I dont understand, uncropMKV just generated 0 byte file with the extension .264 and doesnt do enything more...

Maybe It would be more convinient for less advanced people to cheat these cpi and mpl files in the multiAVCHD. This cheat would work only if Panasonic Viera TV checkbox is on...

[deank]

Did you edit the CPI/MPL files with 1280x720 resolution and did it work? If you didn't edit them - send me an email with them (.rar) and I'll send them back to you for a test.

[espero]

Did you edit the CPI/MPL files with 1280x720 resolution and did it work? If you didn't edit them - send me an email with them (.rar) and I'll send them back to you for a test.

YES, exactly. I edit CPI/MPL for the volcano.mkv (which doesnt work earlier).
I changed cpi at offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X, and changed mpl at offset 0x82 from 5X to 4X.

I sent you and email with edited cpi and mpl...

[deank]

Oh, sorry.. I didn't see your edited post ;)

You can try to change the value to 6X which is for 1080p.

I'll add an option now.

[Sanosuke]

YES, exactly. I edit CPI/MPL for the volcano.mkv (which doesnt work earlier).
I changed cpi at offset 0x0108 from 5X to 4X, and changed mpl at offset 0x82 from 5X to 4X.

I sent you and email with edited cpi and mpl...

@espero: Could you upload the entire file to test on my TV thru rapidshare?

tks

[espero]

@espero: Could you upload the entire file to test on my TV thru rapidshare?

tks

Hi, I will do this just after Dean will release new version of multiAVCHD with new option included.

[deank]

Run your multiAVCHD and it will update to 557. Let me know if it works.

You will find a new panel in AUTHOR tab for Panasonic. Set your desired forced resolution (it seems 1080i works).

Dean

* edit * I got a report that it is working now with 1080i forced resolution.... finally.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi guys,

Here's a PAL sample test (http://rapidshare.de/files/46958493/PRIVATE.7z.html) generated using build 556.

I've muxed the same files with build 557 and all is good :)

I'll try again with some of the new "Force Resolution" options and report back ;)

[espero]

Run your multiAVCHD and it will update to 557. Let me know if it works.

You will find a new panel in AUTHOR tab for Panasonic. Set your desired forced resolution (it seems 1080i works).

Dean

* edit * I got a report that it is working now with 1080i forced resolution.... finally.

Yes it FINALLY works :) but... only for 25fps
Do you know what is the offset of fps setting in cpi and mpl?

Maybe we can do the same cheat with fps setting?

Second thing:
I tried this cheat (with 1080i setting) on MPEG:
Video: MPEG2 Video 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 4946Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 320Kbps [Audio]

and it doesnt work...

[deank]

I restored the title name (file name) instead of multiAVCHD for TVs Direct Navigator Menu.

FPS is in the same byte you changed... Change is only possible in CPI files. 0x42 to 0x43 for example.

1 - 23.976fps
2 - 24fps
3 - 25fps
4 - 29.970fps
6 - 50fps
7 - 59.94fps

etc... experiment...

I doubt MPEG2 audio will work whatever tweaks you apply :)

Don't expect a TV set to has all the functionality of a Blu-ray player... It is just an AVCHD player - that's it. That's why Panasonic BD players play almost all SDHC content. It is not the same.

[espero]

No luck :(
I changed in cpi offset 0x0108 from 44 to 43 (29.970fps to 25fps) on the 29.970fps file (alaska.mkv)

[deank]

in 0x43

4 means 1080i
3 means 25fps

First octet can be:

1 - 480i
3 - 480p
2 - 576i
7 - 576p
5 - 720p
4 - 1080i
6 - 1080p

so you combine FPS and resolution in one byte.

(and the next byte in the CPI file is $20 for 4:3 or $30 for 16:9).

[SeeMoreDigital]

0x43 means 25fps?Just to confirm....

My Panny TV can only play 25fps (PAL) sources. I've tried it with 23.976, 24, 29.970, 30, 59.94 and 60fps but they don't work :(

[deank]

As I said - don't expect BD functionality from an AVCHD player. I think what we've got is the maximum at the moment.

Another user reported that 1280x544 (25fps) plays fine with his Panasonic Viera TV but black bars fill the right and bottom part of the screen (to fill 1920/1080 missing pixels). TVs won't stretch not do anything about aspect ratio.

[espero]

As I said - don't expect BD functionality from an AVCHD player. I think what we've got is the maximum at the moment.

I understand, but I also know that this TV supports files from NTSC cameras so these fps should work...

But unfortunately this cheat doesnt work for fps :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

I doubt MPEG2 audio will work whatever tweaks you apply :)

Don't expect a TV set to has all the functionality of a Blu-ray player... It is just an AVCHD player - that's it. That's why Panasonic BD players play almost all SDHC content. It is not the same.I'm of the same opinion.... even though my TV's user manual mentions it: -

http://i42.tinypic.com/168xsv9.png


Cheers

[espero]

These three chapters sent by SMD works fine also on my TV... but they have oversaturated colors (in comparison with the movie seen on PC). Is there in cpi some option applied to colors or something like that?

I also find out that scene from my camera watched with original cpi, mpl is less saturated than this authored by multiAVCHD... strange...

[deank]

@SMD: Dropping MPEG-2 (PS) because it is not in AVCHD... And mpeg audio in AVCHD - may be with some early Panasonic camcoder models, but not now, really... If someone get's a sample - I'll take a look.

@espero: :) No, no such things there.

[deank]

A possible format for playing MPEG2 on your TVs (got it just now from Keysi_2):

...file structure for playing is different. It works with SD_VIDEO folder, PRG001 as a subfolder and MOV001.mod file plays on TV as mpeg2...

So I guess putting SD_VIDEO\PRG001\MOV001.MOD in your SD card will play it on your Panasonic TVs.

[espero]

A possible format for playing MPEG2 on your TVs (got it just now from Keysi_2):



So I guess putting SD_VIDEO\PRG001\MOV001.MOD in your SD card will play it on your Panasonic TVs.

It doesnt work :( I tried three files...

What kind of TV Keysi_2 has? please write something more about his tests...

[deank]

Yes... there are aux files needed - MOD file alone doesn't work...

Here is his complete sample. (http://rapidshare.com/files/227318381/SD_VIDEO.rar.html)

[espero]

Yes... there are aux files needed - MOD file alone doesn't work...

Here is his complete sample. (http://rapidshare.com/files/227318381/SD_VIDEO.rar.html)

yes, MOI, PRL and so on... :(

edit: the sample works!!! :)
edit2: i repaced mod file with some SD clip recorded from TV and it works :) I will test more...

[deank]

:) Good.

[espero]

OK it reads:

Video: MPEG2 Video 544x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 9000Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 256Kbps [Audio]

audio - stops for a while and starts again
video - super


Video: MPEG2 Video 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 9382Kbps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 448Kbps [Audio]
no audio - DD is not supported
video - super

Video: MPEG2 Video 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 8000Kbps [Video]
Audio: PCM 48000Hz stereo 1536Kbps [Audio]
no audio - PCM is not supported
video - super


Video: MPEG2 Video 720x576 (4:3) 25.00fps 9800Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 224Kbps [Audio]
audio - super
video - super

I tried about 10 different files INCLUDING files with lower resolutions (SVCD) like 544x576 and it worked well.
MPEG1 - is not supported

End here goes the best part: NTSC clips are supported!

TV switches automatically to NTSC (when you enter NTSC clip screen goes black for one second and we are in NTSC). So it have to work also for AVCHD...

Video: MPEG2 Video 720x480 (4:3) 29.97fps 8210Kbps [Video]
Audio: MPEG Audio 48000Hz stereo 256Kbps [Audio]

Dean, is it possible to make such function in multiAVCHD to author many chapters in SD_VIDEO folder? menu is of course not important...

[deank]

Probably it will work in AVCHD if you can try with 1920x1080p @ 29.970 (not 23.976). There is a sample somewhere in the thread - Sample#8 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/SD_TEST8.exe).

Process the MTS file with multiAVCHD and Panasonic TV settings.

***

No, I have no idea about the structures and aux files of this SD_VIDEO format... And it is not AVCHD, what multiAVCHD is all about.

[espero]

Probably it will work in AVCHD if you can try with 1920x1080p @ 29.970 (not 23.976). There is a sample somewhere in the thread - Sample#8 (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/SD_TEST8.exe).

Process the MTS file with multiAVCHD and Panasonic TV settings.

***

No, I have no idea about the structures and aux files of this SD_VIDEO format... And it is not AVCHD, what multiAVCHD is all about.

I understand but maybe you have such SD_VIDEO sample with more than one chapter?

I tried to author mts from SAMPLE#8 with settings on: "For Viera TV sets" and Force resolution "1080p" - it doesnt work :(
Maybe there is some switch inside mpl or cpi which have to be on?

[deank]

I understand but maybe you have such SD_VIDEO sample with more than one chapter?

No, I don't have, but KC_2 said he'll go for another round at camcoder shops and will record another sample :)

[davsim]

So Build 556:

* Panasonic BD players (using SDHC) should not get the 5-10 skip at playback start
I wanted to test this, so I tested the latest build 558 on my BD60 US v1.5 standard SD Card with some of my usual test clips.

Settings:
Panasonic SDHC output
Resolution Force Original (since I was using mixed res. sources)
Stricter AVCHD folder format checked
(Force 16:9 NOT checked)

compilation clips and results:

1. 1280x720P:
- problem with first second cut off seems to be fixed. the last builds I tested (552 and earlier) were missing 2 or 3 words of dialog. this one played from the start
- Proper aspect ratio displayed.

2. 720x480 29.97 16:9:
- first 9 seconds still do not play, playback starts from 10s after a delay
- aspect ratio incorrect (image stretched). This was working in the builds near 552-550.

3. 720x480 29.97 4:3:
- no playback delay, no cut off at start = good and working properly
- aspect ratio is correct

4. 720x480 29.97 16:9 (same results as clip #2):
- first 9 seconds still do not play
- aspect ratio incorrect (image stretched).


Did you remove the per title aspect ratio detection? Or does the "Resolution Force Original" setting change that? Is that setting only for Television SDHC playback?

What setting should I use to get the old build 552 functionality of proper 16:9 aspect ration detection and display in a compilation of mixed titles?


I looked at the output log to check the aspect ratio detection.

On clip #2 it showed:

Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:853x480 29.970fps (AR:1.78)

That is not correct. AR 1.78 is correct, but the clip resolution is 720x480, confirmed by MediaInfo. However, this clip was re-encoded by MeGUI and the original clip was re-sized from 848x448.

On clip #4 it showed:

Detected video: ID#1:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC:853x480 29.970fps (AR:1.78)

Again AR is correct, but resolution is incorrect. Actual resolution is 720x480 in MediaInfo. Original clip was re-encoded and re-sized from 480x480.

Clips #1 and #3 seem to have been detected accurately.

Again, both of the improperly detected clips #2 and #4 were detected correctly and displayed with a proper 16:9 aspect ratio in build 552-550.

[deank]

Resolution you see for these 720x clips is the "display" resolution, not the real one, which means that they are 4:3 but should be played as 16:9. (this is mkvinfo).

No I didn't remove anything.

For your compilations with BD player use "Original" in the drop-down list for forced resolutions.

***

Yes, for some reason something broke... I'll take a look now.

[deank]

Use multiUPDATE. It should be fixed now.

[espero]

No, I don't have, but KC_2 said he'll go for another round at camcoder shops and will record another sample :)

I made it! :) hex editor makes miracles :) now I can have over 40 mpeg2 on the card. As soon as I change two small things - I will upload this to rapidshare for all interested people...

dean: how do you think? are there any chances to make NTSC mkv's working on Panasonic TVs? as I told you before the sample didnt worked...

[Sanosuke]

@espero: I`d like to know which Panasonic TV you are using to make tests. For my side, nothing have worked at all. In BD, ok, but on the TV no. I followed your steps but nothing happens. I`ve already updated the version from MultiAVCHD, but I don`t know why is not working for me. Are you just using MultiAVCHD, don't you?

[deank]

You can post the changes for title count in the aux files for SD_VIDEO... I can create a small app just for TVs and mpeg2.

Don't know about NTSC.

[espero]

You can post the changes for title count in the aux files for SD_VIDEO... I can create a small app just for TVs and mpeg2.

Don't know about NTSC.

There is no such title count. I got a Prg001.pgi file with 83 (53hex) of chapters data. This file can be used for ANY mod's (movie files) the names must be:
Mov001.mod
Mov002.mod
...hex
Mov053.mod

Important are also moi files. These files contains specification of movie files like: date, hour, minute, second, duration, aspect ratio, length. Without changing these values everything works fine - but it looks ugly when we have several files - all with the same date, and all with the same duration (like 0:00:20). I will send you by email pdf with complete meaning of every byte in .moi files.
Unfortunately - there isnt such pdf for .pgi file but in your program you can use - always the same .pgi

Below is the file structure:

SD_VIDEO\
SD_VIDEO\MGR_INFO\

MGR_DATA
PRG_MGR

SD_VIDEO\PRG001\

MOV001.MOI
MOV001.MOD
PRG001.PGI


PRG001.PGI, MGR_DATA, PRG_MGR should be always the same (I will send you all of them)
MOV001.MOD - this is MPEG2 file, almost all works, audio should be in MPEG
MOV001.MOI - can be changed on every file - but this is not a must

[espero]

@espero: I`d like to know which Panasonic TV you are using to make tests. For my side, nothing have worked at all. In BD, ok, but on the TV no. I followed your steps but nothing happens. I`ve already updated the version from MultiAVCHD, but I don`t know why is not working for me. Are you just using MultiAVCHD, don't you?

As I remember you have Viera from the "8" serie with SDHC slot. I think all of them has the same SD module.

Download this file:
http://rapidshare.com/files/227625652/Sd_video.zip.html

1. unpack Sd_video (and all subfolders and files) to some folder on HDD
2. to the folder Prg001 copy any MPEG2 (SD!!!) (720x576 recommended) file with MPEG sound and rename it to Mov001.mod
3. copy Sd_video and all of its contents to the root folder of SDHC card

you are done - it have to work! if not, try with another MPEG2 file.

If you would like to have more files you should clone Mov001.moi in the same folder and rename it to Mov002.moi and then copy some other video and rename it to Mov002.mod

[Keysi_2]

I just test multiAVCHD with other frame rates than 25fps
file 1280x544p 25fps demuxing by tsMuxeR_1.9.9 to .264 & .aac file next create .mkv by mkvmerge GUI force to 25fps and Display width/height to 1280x 720 and finaly multiAVCHD and it play on TV in full screen size
the same with 1280x720p 23.97fps and it plays too
The only problem is synchro audio to video 4-6 sec delay

[espero]

I just test multiAVCHD with other frame rates than 25fps
file 1280x544p 25fps demuxing by tsMuxeR_1.9.9 to .264 & .aac file next create .mkv by mkvmerge GUI force to 25fps and Display width/height to 1280x 720 and finaly multiAVCHD and it play on TV in full screen size
the same with 1280x720p 23.97fps and it plays too
The only problem is synchro audio to video 4-6 sec delay

Yes it works also for me (I tried this method with my alaska.mkv movie). But this way we will never get synchronization between video and audio since the video is played by 25fps and audio is too short because is played 24fps. Therefore last 10 minutes of my mkv is without sound. We have to search for another solution... this TV has to read NTSC files...

[Sanosuke]

As I remember you have Viera from the "8" serie with SDHC slot. I think all of them has the same SD module.

Download this file:
http://rapidshare.com/files/227625652/Sd_video.zip.html

1. unpack Sd_video (and all subfolders and files) to some folder on HDD
2. to the folder Prg001 copy any MPEG2 (SD!!!) (720x576 recommended) file with MPEG sound and rename it to Mov001.mod
3. copy Sd_video and all of its contents to the root folder of SDHC card

you are done - it have to work! if not, try with another MPEG2 file.

If you would like to have more files you should clone Mov001.moi in the same folder and rename it to Mov002.moi and then copy some other video and rename it to Mov002.mod

Hi Espero

I`ve tried with your indications but, may the brazilian version of PZ80 series does not support MPEG2. Also, I`ve tried to play AVCHD files using multiAVCHD, but is not working also. Do you have an AVCHD camera? theoretically, by using the multiAVCHD, the file also plays in other device, like AVCHD cameras, correct?

tks for your help

[deank]

...this way we will never get synchronization between video and audio since the video is played by 25fps and audio is too short because is played 24fps.

I think you can use eac3to with some of these options to get what you need:

-slowdown convert 25.000 and 24.000 content to 23.976 fps
-speedup convert 23.976 and 24.000 content to 25.000 fps
-23.976/... define source fps to be "23.976", "24.000", "25.000", ..
-changeTo24.000 change source fps to "23.976", "24.000", "25.000", ...

[espero]

Hi Espero

I`ve tried with your indications but, may the brazilian version of PZ80 series does not support MPEG2. Also, I`ve tried to play AVCHD files using multiAVCHD, but is not working also. Do you have an AVCHD camera? theoretically, by using the multiAVCHD, the file also plays in other device, like AVCHD cameras, correct?

tks for your help

please look in the TV manual - mine looks the same as SeeMoreDigital paste here some posts earlier...

[espero]

I think you can use eac3to with some of these options to get what you need:

-slowdown convert 25.000 and 24.000 content to 23.976 fps
-speedup convert 23.976 and 24.000 content to 25.000 fps
-23.976/... define source fps to be "23.976", "24.000", "25.000", ..
-changeTo24.000 change source fps to "23.976", "24.000", "25.000", ...

My file (alaska.mkv) is:

Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]

eac3to cannot change speed from 29.97 to 25. It says that there is not such option like: -29.97 (define source)

I return to the topic on NTSC videos on Panasonic TVs.
My friend told me that he watch movies from his NTSC Panasonic video camera on Viera TV. I think that there is a swich somwhere - in cpi, mpl or bdm to change mode to NTSC. Please take a look once again in documentation you have, maybe you will find something about this...
MultiAVCHD with some files warns that there are in NTSC and could not work on PS3 (or something like that). So is it possible to change the mode to NTSC?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I`ve tried with your indications but, may the brazilian version of PZ80 series does not support MPEG2. Also, I`ve tried to play AVCHD files using multiAVCHD, but is not working also.As far as I'm aware, the SD card slot on the PZ80 (world-wide) range of TV's only supports "photos"...

And for all those interested. Only the UK version of the PZ81 range of TV's is able to support MPEG-4 (and MPEG-2) playback via the SD card slot... This is because it has a built-in high-def compatible satellite decoder ;)

[espero]

As far as I'm aware, the SD card slot on the PZ80 (world-wide) range of TV's only supports "photos"...

And for all those interested. Only the UK version of the PZ81 range of TV's is able to support MPEG-4 (and MPEG-2) playback via the SD card slot... This is because it has a built-in high-def compatible satellite decoder ;)

My TV is 50PY800 - only with analogue tuner and it do supports MPEG2 and MPEG4 playback via SD card... but of course 800 series is little more advanced than 80.

[davsim]

My file (alaska.mkv) is:

Video: MPEG4 Video (H264) 1280x720 29.97fps [Video]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo [Audio]

eac3to cannot change speed from 29.97 to 25. It says that there is not such option like: -29.97 (define source)
If you demuxed the audio, try -speedup (convert 23.976 to 25) and see if it syncs up. The audio duration should be the same whether 29.97 or 23.976.

[davsim]

Yes, for some reason something broke... I'll take a look now.

Use multiUPDATE. It should be fixed now.
Thanks. I tested the updated build 558 (v2) with the same 4 clips as before and the 720x480 both 16:9 and 4:3 aspect ratios are displayed correctly.

[espero]

If you demuxed the audio, try -speedup (convert 23.976 to 25) and see if it syncs up. The audio duration should be the same whether 29.97 or 23.976.

Thank you, I tried to speedup audio once again - no luck.

When I do not use any ac3 speedup sound ends 14 min before time.

When I used eac3to with option -speedup, sonund ends 12 min before time.

So I looks like sound should be speedup to 29.97 :( is it possible?

[davsim]

Thank you, I tried to speedup audio once again - no luck.
Sorry, I was thinking of film source with pulldown, but your 29.97 playback at 25fps isn't the same thing. There should be a way to do it, but I'm not sure what's the best tool for the job.

[deank]

Thanks. I tested the updated build 558 (v2) with the same 4 clips as before and the 720x480 both 16:9 and 4:3 aspect ratios are displayed correctly.

Do you still get this 9-10 seconds skip?

@espero: what about -changeTo25.000. Another option is to reencode the audio with mplayer/ffmpeg/avisynth. It will take just few minutes.

[deank]

So I looks like sound should be speedup to 29.97 :( is it possible?

I used this:

eac3to.exe 00000.MTS test.ac3 -changeTO25.000 -r8brain -384

and it converts it.. you can try with your source audio and see if it will be in sync.

the m2ts file I used is:

Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Duration : 43mn 16s
Bit rate : 3 313 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 3 222 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive

You can also take a look at this forum. (http://forum.videohelp.com/topic367485.html)

[Sanosuke]

As far as I'm aware, the SD card slot on the PZ80 (world-wide) range of TV's only supports "photos"...

And for all those interested. Only the UK version of the PZ81 range of TV's is able to support MPEG-4 (and MPEG-2) playback via the SD card slot... This is because it has a built-in high-def compatible satellite decoder ;)

Hi SMD

This TV in Brazil supports videos in AVCHD and SD Video. I´m thinking that my TV has some issue, because the user manual have the same information that have posted. So sad:(

[davsim]

Do you still get this 9-10 seconds skip?
Yes, only with 720x480 16:9 videos.

I do not see this problem with higher resolution (720P, 1080i, 1080P) nor with 720x480 4:3.

[deank]

Well, I guess we'll have to live with it :)

[espero]

I used this:

eac3to.exe 00000.MTS test.ac3 -changeTO25.000 -r8brain -384


Thank you, it worked but... the lector voice in movie is soooo looooow ;) Sorry for asking again, but maybe there is some switch inside bdm's to have NTSC material?

[deank]

:D May be you need to apply some pitch control and pitch it up ;)

No, there isn't such 'switch'. There are some samples around with 29.970 NTSC fps. Test them and if one works - send me a link so I can check. If your player plays the NTSC sample then it may very well be possible.

[davsim]

Well, I guess we'll have to live with it :)
Yes, it's easy to live with, since I know about the problem. Most of the time it will just be credits or logos. I can add a 9 or 10 second black video to the beginning, if I'm re-encoding.

I'm wondering if the delay is caused by a poorly executed function or an oversight in the Panasonic software. I was thinking the upconversion function might be choking on the 16:9 because maybe the Panasonic cameras don't record anything at that resolution/AR. Although HD video decoding would naturally be more processor intensive, it's already at the native display size and I expect Panasonic spent more time developing and testing HD playback.

Anyway, HD is working great and that's what really counts. 480i is just a bonus for the convenience of watching some standard def. videos on my player, since the Divx is disabled on the US BD60. I imagine Panasonic just flipped a bit in the firmware somewhere, in the hopes of selling more BD80 units.

[espero]

:D May be you need to apply some pitch control and pitch it up ;)

No, there isn't such 'switch'. There are some samples around with 29.970 NTSC fps. Test them and if one works - send me a link so I can check. If your player plays the NTSC sample then it may very well be possible.

I see. But you told me before that in cpi there is fps switch? When you author such movie, multiAVCHD sets this fps byte or not?
I tested all samples I found in this thread: sd_test_ds001 to sd_test_ds006. I authored every mts with option for Viera TV and force 1080i. Unfortunately all files doesnt work. I dont understand why SD files in NTSC works well without any problems, but AVCHD not...

Do you have maybe some sample from NTSC AVCHD video camera? maybe you found somwhere on the Internet? If we have such sample we could make a lot of tests... and then maybe we would understand why NTSC AVCHD files doesnt work...

About pitch control - do you know if eac3to has such option? or any other program?

[jason_peters010]

Deank,
Would you be able to help me with something that is puzzling me. 1 or 3 builds ago I successfully created an SDHC title that played fine on my DMP-BD35, HDC-SD1 Camcorder, and was recognized by Panasonic HD writer software. Now, with the current build, the output is only playable on my BD35. The SD1 say, "Cannot be used due to incompatible data" and HD Writer gives the message "The images my be damaged. Press 'refresh' button after inserting media on which images were properly recorded. Can anyone explain this to me? I'd like to play this on my camcorder and back it up using HD Writer. Would my log be helpful to you? Thanks!

[deank]

Update your multiAVCHD to 562 and try again.

There were some serious problems with playlists (if multiple scenes/mts files are present) but now it is all fixed.

I did a lot of tests (with 562) and even 720x480 (with forced 1080i) is recognized by and editable in HDwriter 2.5E:

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hdwriter25e.jpg

[jason_peters010]

Thanks, I'll try that!

[deank]

All changes for the last build are explained here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1280617#post1280617).

[espero]

dean:

I would to say that you are a great programmer, and thank you for all your work! :) BUT :) I would like to say that... one time you was wrong :)

After some experiments I find out that it is possible to play NTSC movies on Viera TV's WITHOUT any modification in video files :)

You said before that only in CPI there is some byte responsible for fps and you asked me to change this byte - there was no luck.
I found that also in mpl there is such byte:


In CPI in offset 0x0108 first part of byte is responsible for resolution and the second part of byte is responsible for fps.
The same is in mpl! at offset 0x82!

I changed this byte and... all of my NTSC movies worked! :)

So I have a big request to you to make in our Viera TV section of multiAVCHD new option "force FPS" :)