BD standalone results/tests on DVDR of AVCHD, BD, FULLBD, CROPPED, HDAUDIO [Archive]

turbojet

14th April 2009, 01:57

THE TEST
1. For AVCHD, NEWBD, OLDBD, C1080, C720, DTSHD, THD you can download test samples from sendspace (http://www.sendspace.com/file/38n370) / mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?x1mwwymzqwu) (23MB) and burn the isos with imgburn. If burning to DVD+R make sure booktype is set to DVD-R. In order for FULLBD testing you need to process an original BD with BD-Rebuilder (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1227473#post1227473)

2. Try playing avchd.iso, newbd.iso, oldbd.iso, avchd_aux.iso, avchd_strict.iso (results try to be as accurate as can be but aren't guaranteed)

3. If avchd.iso plays test avchd-crop720.iso, avchd-crop1080.iso, avchd-dtshd.iso, avchd-truehd.iso
If avchd.iso doesn't play but newbd.iso plays test newbd-crop720.iso, newbd-crop1080.iso, newbd-dtshd.iso, newbd-truehd.iso

4. When testing FULLBD if it doesn't play with default output run the index.bdmv through goBD (http://212.36.7.36/sub/new/goBD-tool.exe) and try again.

4. Report what plays and what doesn't. In order for the the crop iso's to be considered playable they have to show a round circle centered on the screen and and no video artifacts. For FULLBD please report if there is any thing in BDMV/JAR directory. Thanks in advance.

H.264 video only

RESULTS
PLAYER AVCHD NEWBD OLDBD FULLBD C1080 C720 DTSHD THD NOTES
Arcsoft TMT 3.0.1.120 X X X X X X X X HDD playback
Denon DVD-A1UD X
Denon DVD-1800BD - X need AUXDATA
Denon DVD-2500BT - X - need AUXDATA
Denon DVD-3800BD - X X need AUXDATA
Insignia HS-BRDVD - X need AUXDATA
Insignia NS-2BRDVD - X need AUXDATA
Insignia NS-BDLIVE01 - X X need AUXDATA
JVC XV-PB1 <4 GB mkv/mp4 playback
LG BH200 ! prior to firmware 0602
LG BD300 X -
LG BD370 X X X - X X EU model plays <4 GB mkv/mp4
LG-BD390 X - plays <4 GB mkv/mp4
Loewe BluTech Vision - - - - - - - - rebadged Sharp BD-HP20, won't play BDR either
Magnavox NB500MG9 X
Memorex MVBD-2510 ! - need firmware Dec 24 2008 or newer, USB HDD playback
Memorex MVBD-2511 X
Olevia BD-110 X
Oppo BDP-83 X X mkv playback, USB HDD playback, no weightp support
Panasonic DMP-BD10 X
Panasonic DMP-BD30 X - X - X - SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD35 X - X - X - may need to disable 24p, SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD50 X X X - SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD55 X X X - may need to disable 24p, SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD60 X - X - X - X - SDHC playback
Panasonic DMP-BD80 X
Philips BDP7200 - X - need AUXDATA
Philips BDP7300 X no weightp support
Philips BDP7500 -
Pioneer BDP-05FD X X
Pioneer BDP-23FD X
Pioneer BDP-320 X
Pioneer BDP-51FD X X X X
Pioneer BDP-LX70A X
Pioneer BDP-LX71 X
Pioneer BDP-LX80 X
Pioneer BDP-LX91 X
Pioneer BDP-94HD X X
Pioneer BDP-95FD X
PowerDVD 7.3.3319 X X X ! X x X X last build with full HDD playback, some BDJ unsupported
PowerDVD 7.3.5105 ! X X X X X X X need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
PowerDVD 8.0.2815 ! X X X X X X X need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
PowerDVD 9.0.1531 ! X X X X X X X need AUXDATA/BDJO/CERTIFICATE/JAR/META from iso, AVCHD plays from HDD/DVD/BD but AC3/LPCM audio only
Samsung BD-P1000 -
Samsung BD-P1200 ! prior to firmware 2.3
Samsung BD-P1400 X X
Samsung BD-P1500 X ! ! ! no AUXDATA if firmware 2.3
Samsung BD-P1590 X - - ! no AUXDATA if firmware before 1.03, mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P1600 X - - ! no AUXDATA if firmware before 1.03, mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P2500 X - ! ! X X no AUXDATA if firmware before 2.5
Samsung BD-P2550 X - - no AUXDATA if firmware before 2.5
Samsung BD-P3600 X mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P4600 X mkv/mp4 playback
Samsung BD-P4610 X
Samsung BD-UP5000 -
Sharp BD-HP20 - - - - - - - - won't play BDR either
Sharp BD-HP21 - - - - - - - - won't play BDR either
Sherwood BDP-5003 X region free
Sony BDP-BX1 X X X
Sony BDP-S1 X
Sony BDP-S300 X X X X
Sony BDP-S301 X X X X
Sony BDP-S350 X X X X
Sony BDP-S360 X X X X
Sony BDP-N460 X X ! FULLBD only with HDMV menus, no weightp support
Sony BDP-S500 X X X X
Sony BDP-S550 X X X X X - - -
Sony BDP-S5000ES X
Sony Playstation 3 X - X ! ! ! X X only 1st gen EU PS3 plays FULLBD after goBD. cropped video positioned at top. 1280x <584 play in 480p, USB playback
WinDVD 9.14.091 ! X ! ! X X X X HDD/ISO playback with NEWBD/FULLBD only (no IDEX), DVD/BD playback of AVCHD with AC3/PCM only, FULLBD resized video doesn't fill screen

LEGEND
AVCHD = AVCHD output in TSMuxer 1.9.6-1.9.9 (AVCHDcoder, BD-Rebuilder w/Strict AVCHD, popBD w/remove AUXDATA, RipBot264)
NEWBD = Bluray output in TSMuxer 1.8.35+ (multiAVCHD Blu-ray, sx264)
OLDBD = Bluray output in TSMuxer 1.8.4-1.8.34 and AVCHD output in 1.8.35-1.9.5 / 1.10.4+ (BD-Rebuilder movie only, popBD, RipBot264)
FULLBD = BD-Rebuilder Full Backup keeping menus/extras (BD-Rebuilder has issues with PIP on DVD)
C1080 = Add blank playlist for cropped video in TSMuxer 1.9.8+ with 1920x800 video (multiAVCHD compliant height)
C720 = Add blank playlist for cropped video in TSMuxer 1.9.8+ with 1280x528 video (multiAVCHD compliant height)
DTSHD = DTS-HD (MA) playback
THD = TrueHD playback
X = plays
- = doesn't play
! = check notes

SDHC playback = playback of AVCHD on SDHC cards using multiAVCHD's SDHC output
USB playback = playback of AVCHD from USB drives in 8.3 file format

avchd_strict = multiAVCHD AVCHD for DVD\BD w/stricter AVCHD folder format, this may fix the need for AUXDATA, tests needed
avchd_aux = multiAVCHD AVCHD for DVD\BD w/o stricter AVCHD folder format

gizzin

14th April 2009, 05:39

the sony bdp-S300 plays new bd, avchd, old bd, and full bd

davsim

14th April 2009, 06:13

Panasonic DMP-BD60 plays AVCHD

turbojet

14th April 2009, 06:57

Thanks both
gizzin: Could you see if Sony BDP-S300 plays crop fixed?
davsim: Could you see if Panasonic DMP-BD60 plays new-bd, crop fixed, old-bd without auxdata folder and full-bd?

deank

14th April 2009, 09:15

@turbojet: Just a note about popBD. It used the old blu-ray in tsmuxer, now it's using the new avchd.

turbojet

14th April 2009, 09:22

@turbojet: Just a note about popBD. It used the old blu-ray in tsmuxer, now it's using the new avchd.

Ya I see that but outside of the mpls/clpi header change popBD default output is identical to OLD-BD.

AVCHD output removes the empty folders which seems to be the only effective difference to OLD-BD so far.

fifteen

14th April 2009, 15:11

Maybe you should add columns:

1- Whether the player states it supports AVCHD or not
2 - Whether the player states it supports DVD recordable media

rack04

14th April 2009, 15:23

Panasonic DMP-BD35 does not play NEW-BD. I get "unsupported disc".

fifteen

14th April 2009, 16:58

New Bluray output to BD5 (DVD+R):

works on Sony BDP-S350

doesn't work on Samsung BD-P1500 -*** Works if you remove AUXDATA.

So Samsung has media detection first (DVD vs. Bluray) and then won't play content on DVD unless AUXDATA is not present.

rapscallion

14th April 2009, 22:57

Re Pioneer 51. Both new and old BD work, with or without AUXDATA

davsim

14th April 2009, 23:38

Panasonic DMP-BD60 firmware v1.5 using your color bar tests on DVD-R:

avchd: yes
avchd-crop: yes
old-bd: yes
new-bd: no ("This disc is incompatible.")

turbojet

15th April 2009, 00:27

Thanks, updated

Maybe you should add columns:

1- Whether the player states it supports AVCHD or not
2 - Whether the player states it supports DVD recordable media

Sounds like a good idea but after doing some research there's quite a bit of misinformation the manufacturers websites so it may just complicate things that much more.

davsim: Regarding the crop does it appear just like the iso's that aren't cropped?

I've never personally tested the fixed crop hack but from what I can remember cropped video on the players I tested either didn't play at all, the video was at the top and was often cut off or it had a green bar.

scott1256ca

15th April 2009, 00:35

Pardon my confusion:
For the first time i tried to burn a bd-5 (dvd 5, whatever you want to call it) using imgburn. I wanted to play back on my ps3. I converted my file using tsmuxer 1.8.35 selecting blu-ray output (not AVCHD). I used UDF2.50 in imgburn. The ps3 says the disc is a data disc, not a BD.
File root should be
<drive>\BDMV
<drive>\CERTIFICATE

The m2ts file will play on the ps3.
The movie (if I create with AVCHD to USB drive and split @ 4G) will play on the ps3.
The movie seems to play and is recognized as a BD using powerdvd.
I tried to follow instructions from bitburners (of course the url won't load at all for me right now, so I can't check).

I have, in the recent past created many images which play fine as AVCHD off of a USB drive. So I am comfortable with that.
ps3 is firmware 2.60
So, anything I obviously missed? Do you have to convert to AVCHD to play on the ps3? I can't really tell from the above, but it looks like I should be able to play the disc if i use tsmuxer 1.8.34 (I used .35) and created a BD disk. Is that correct? Since the mt2s plays fine on the ps3, and I can create an AVCHD which plays ok from the same encode, I don't think it should be the x264 settings I used (which are within profile 4.1). The encode is 1280x720, but I don't think that should be a problem.
Any other suggestions? I'd rather not burn 10 coasters trying to get the correct settings.

Thanks

deank

15th April 2009, 00:43

This is not a discussion thread.

Burn your DVD with AVCHD option in tsmuxer (not that it makes sense if you can use USB drive).

davsim

15th April 2009, 03:06

davsim: Regarding the crop does it appear just like the iso's that aren't cropped?
I didn't notice an obvious difference, but I was testing with output set to letterbox 4:3 on an SDTV. I didn't see any major visual glitches.

turbojet

15th April 2009, 09:15

davsim

15th April 2009, 17:42

I changed the crop test samples to a video of a perfect circle to make it easier to tell if the aspect ratio is still correct.
Added 1280x528 cropped samples named with -720 because some players may display this resolution at 720x576/480 and/or 4:3 aspect ratio.
Panasonic DMP-BD60:

I tried your new avchd-crop-720 and it played, but there was no image. It was just a blank black screen, but the the time counter was moving forward and I could fast forward, pause and play.

turbojet

16th April 2009, 00:42

Interesting that 1920x800 played but the 1280x528 didn't. Maybe it's seeing 528 and trying to play as 720x576 but it's getting confused by the 1280 width.

Furiousflea

16th April 2009, 03:00

I don't believe there are issues with discs that contain PIP tracks turbojet.

I firmly believe the problem here is solely the fault of BD-Rebuilder. I also suspect that all other SAPs would exhibit exactly the same behaviour it's just that nobody has tried those "problematic discs" (for BD-Rebuilder).

edit; in reference to the Sony BDP-SXXX problems in the table :)

PIP issues with some full BD

Sounds slightly misleading to me, but maybe that's just me ;)

Trahald

16th April 2009, 04:36

I firmly believe the problem here is solely the fault of BD-Rebuilder. I also suspect that all other SAPs would exhibit exactly the same behaviour it's just that nobody has tried those "problematic discs" (for BD-Rebuilder).What do you base that on? While it very well may be true (I have no clue either way) I'm just curious if there is evidence (ie working PIP produced by pro bluray authoring software written to the SAME media tested on the SAME stb) or is it a gut feeling (which I can then safely ignore)

turbojet

16th April 2009, 06:45

FULL-BD refers to BD-Rebuilder output though so while it may sound misleading when concerning retail BD it plays no role in the graph.

It could also be BD5/9 have PIP issues while BD25/50 don't. I didn't remember seeing any mention of red or blue laser media being used in the reports of it working or not working.

At first I wasn't planning on having the FULL-BD column as there's already a nice list of confirmed working players but I thought it might help to list what players have been tested and don't work.

Rodger

16th April 2009, 20:00

NEW FIRMWARE IS OUT !!!

http://support.samsung.de/support/support_down.aspx?guid=a21a756e-6fb8-48dd-aba9-0921dfd980e6&sh1=&sh2=&sh3=&sh4=&filetype=FM

Formerly known as "the bitch" NOW I haven´t found ANY DISC that just won´t play!!! Even discs that my Panasonic DMP-BD30 decidedly doesn´t play are loaded as fast as any other one.

DVD-R , DVD-RW, DVD+RW (DVD+R not tested) = OKAY!:D

zodex

17th April 2009, 05:03

Samsung BD-P1600

avchd: yes
avchd-crop: yes
new-bd: no ("This Disc Cannot Be Displayed.")

turbojet

17th April 2009, 09:49

Rodger: do all test samples play ok? If you get a chance does a full-bd done with bd-rb work without removing the auxdata folder?

zodex: thanks for the test results, i added them to the list. Do you have a chance to try out old-bd, avchd-crop-720 and/or full-bd from bd-rb?

Rodger

21st April 2009, 18:16

Finally tested all images: Here is the conclusion

http://www.bilder-space.de/thumb/21.04RgiiWlclrJYRKvy.jpg (http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=21.04RgiiWlclrJYRKvy.jpg)

deank

21st April 2009, 18:24

So it looks like they finally implemented full AVCHD support.

rack04

21st April 2009, 18:27

Care to explain what you mean by "may need to disable 24p"? I have a BD-35 and I enable "change FPS" and "Change Level" in every meta file regardless that the video is 24000/1001 and level 4.1.

deank

21st April 2009, 18:45

It is a function of the player/tv, not tsmuxer/software.

rack04

21st April 2009, 19:18

It is a function of the player/tv, not tsmuxer/software.

Oh I see. Thanks.

Furiousflea

21st April 2009, 21:00

What do you base that on? While it very well may be true (I have no clue either way) I'm just curious if there is evidence (ie working PIP produced by pro bluray authoring software written to the SAME media tested on the SAME stb) or is it a gut feeling (which I can then safely ignore)

No, it's how it stands as of now.

Who even said PIP doesn't work?

Nobody.

The reason PIP doesn't work at the moment (as far as any of us know) is because BDRB just discards the PIP track it anyway so it wouldn't play on any player. There has been no test to even check if it works. The only reason it's even there is because (and this is my gut feeling :)) a few people such as myself who own the Sony BDP-SXXX have reported that discs containing PIP tracks could potentially be causing problems for BDRB as it seems to map the wrong streams so that selecting 1 audio language for example will have the effect of playing a different one.

I suspect this "issue" has been lost in translation and appeared as "has issues with PIP discs". Which is simply not true to anyone's knowledge.

There's no reason to suggest it wouldn't play...Don't even know how it got misinterpreted to this point, unless someone has checked?

deank

21st April 2009, 21:23

PIP playback may be disabled in ALL players if they detect content as AVCHD or if BD player is an older model or conforms to BD profile 1 only.

Furiousflea

21st April 2009, 21:29

PIP playback may be disabled in ALL players if they detect content as AVCHD or if BD player is an older model or conforms to BD profile 1 only.

I'm not sure about DVD5\9 but when you burn to BD-R the Sony S550 reads it as "BD-R BDMV"...(this is what pops up when the bluray loads)I realise this thread is dealing with DVD5\9 but if BD-Live\BDJ is all working on DVD5\DVD9 (and it is)...

So shouldn't be a problem, but hey...you know never know :) Point is, nobody does know and there is no reported problem to the effect of saying PIP does not work for those Sony players. (Hence my post) :) If there is a problem, well that's great too just I've not read anywhere anyone actually checking.

koutou

22nd April 2009, 10:08

I'm using 1.8.35. Is it the old or new bd?
I currently don't own a standalone player but I would like to start creating blu-ray backups (just the movie) and burn them to disks. Which version should I use for best future compatibility? I guess the old one as seen from the chart?

Thank you for your help :)

deank

23rd April 2009, 14:42

@all: I created a small BDMV application to display some of the player's capabilities.

Check this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1277183#post1277183) and comment here if you wish.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/bd_PSR_test.jpg

turbojet

24th April 2009, 10:52

Rodger: thanks for the results I updated the first post.

I'm using 1.8.35. Is it the old or new bd?
I currently don't own a standalone player but I would like to start creating blu-ray backups (just the movie) and burn them to disks. Which version should I use for best future compatibility? I guess the old one as seen from the chart?

Thank you for your help :)

1.8.35 - 1.9.5 AVCHD output appears to be identical to OLD-BD output. I added this to the legend.

The only playability difference I know of between OLD-BD and AVCHD is the AUXDATA folder. 3 Denon's and a Phillips need this folder while 4 Samsung must not have this folder.

I wouldn't suggest using bluray output after 1.8.34 for your case because it's yet to be tested thoroughly on red and blue laser media.

A 100% working version with all types of players doesn't exist. So I don't think a version can be recommended for your situation. It all really depends on what player you get supports. I have a feeling Denon and Philips requiring AUXDATA folder is more likely to change then Samsung's situation.

Ghitulescu

25th April 2009, 20:10

It may be a good idea to specifiy, if possible, the firmware version and the market (US, EU etc. since there are differences in hardware and firmware for the same player).

deank

28th April 2009, 11:11

Another request I posted in multiAVCHD thread:

Please someone with Panasonic/Samsung test if your players will play:

:D
[AVCHD for DVD-R] output with [x] Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked (i.e. without CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA and all other non-AVCHD folders) ... and burn the output to DVD-RW.

DVD should contain only:

BDMV\index.bdmv
BDMV\MovieObject.bdmv
BDMV\CLIPINF
BDMV\PLAYLIST
BDMV\STREAM

Dean

I will give it a try and report back.

UPDATE:
It now works, my Panasonic BD30 can now play it even with the Stricter AVCHD folder mode checked

Great work, thanks.

***

When all files are AVCHD compliant BD players should not require CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA or any other then the above listed. I posted this here just to let you all know if you didn't check this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146602).

Ghitulescu

29th April 2009, 09:41

B-pyramids may be a problem to Pioneers, although I'm not 100% sure (need more sources to check this). ->http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1279322#post1279322.
After reencoding the video to 100% BD compliance it worked perfectly.

Ryu77

29th April 2009, 12:16

I just bought a Sony BDP-S550 and I can not seem to be able to get DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD to work from DVD media (AVCHD)...

Is this normal or have I got a faulty unit? These discs seem to play back fine on my PS3 (although of course HD audio is decoded internally). Is there any workaround that anybody knows of to enable HD audio from DVD media on this player?

Also, it might be a good idea to include which players support HD audio from DVD Media (AVCHD).

Edit: I tested Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on the Panasonic DMPBD35 and DMPBD60 today. They both played (via bitstream) DTS-HD MA from DVD media with no problem. However, Dolby TrueHD kept sticking and audio was screechy (if that's a word) and broken.

Ryu77

1st May 2009, 12:52

Should I assume that nobody here is really interested in HD audio on DVD media?

I know in most cases space constraints make this an unsuitable choice. However, I have found that movies under 1 hour 45 minutes in length can still include HD audio with enough bitrate to spare for good quality 1080p video.

As I sell Home Theater/TV's, I have access to quite a few players and I can help compile which players support HD audio from DVD media and which do not.

I really think it's a good idea to include this on the list. We just got the LG BD370's in, I am hoping they might support TrueHD as well as DTS-HD MA...

I will post back soon. :)

deank

1st May 2009, 13:05

I tested Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA on the Panasonic DMPBD35 and DMPBD60 today. They both played (via bitstream) DTS-HD MA from DVD media with no problem. However, Dolby TrueHD kept sticking and audio was screechy (if that's a word) and broken.

You can't get HD audio to work properly via optical/coaxial bitstream mode. There is not enough bandwidth.

The only way to test and get it to work is to use quality HDMI 1.3 cable to your AV.

turbojet

1st May 2009, 13:18

I added HDAUDIO column.

When you mean couldn't get hdaudio to work on sony S550 do you mean there was no sound or the disk wouldn't play at all?

Also if you are looking to test things. CROP720, CROP1080, HDAUDIO results would be very interesting. Also FULL-BD could use some work but that would probably be best done in a private setting to avoid getting accused of piracy.

Ryu77

1st May 2009, 15:04

You can't get HD audio to work properly via optical/coaxial bitstream mode. There is not enough bandwidth.

The only way to test and get it to work is to use quality HDMI 1.3 cable to your AV.

I didn't realise that if I didn't state that I was using HDMI that you would assume that I was using optical... ?

I am fully aware of the 1.5 Mbit/s limit that optical/coaxial SPDIF has... I did also post that DTS-HD MA was working on my system so it would be fair to assume that I made my position clear on this matter. Besides, you stated that it wont work properly without HDMI but I would like to clarify that HD audio wont work at all if no HDMI connection is present (or you could use analog multi channel connectors). The lossy core will be bitstreamed instead via optical/coaxial and the Receiver will decode the legacy AC3/DTS track.

I have this Receiver so I would be crazy to spend that sort of money and NOT use HDMI...

http://www.pioneer.com.au/Products/Home%20Entertainment/Amplifiers%20and%20Receivers/SCLX81.aspx

Thank you for making sure though... but it's all good. :)

When you mean couldn't get hdaudio to work on sony S550 do you mean there was no sound or the disk wouldn't play at all?

The Sony BDP-S550 locked up when attempting to play HD audio on AVCHD format.

The Panasonic DMP-BD35/DMP-BD60 plays DTS-HD MA from AVCHD format with no problem at all. However, with TrueHD the player stutters (audio is all garbled and messed up). Just to confirm that this wasn't a tsMuxeR related bug I authored a small section with Sonic Scenarist and the exact same thing happened so it's definitely the player.

Also, I noticed that in your notes the HD audio column is referring to decoding. I am actually referring to bitstreaming the HD audio which is why I wanted to make the move to a stand alone BD Player. I also have a PS3 but as we all know it can not bitstream HD audio, it can only decode onboard. I am extremely confident that my AV Reciever has superior decoders to my PS3 which is why I am interested in bistream. Even if I select regular Dolby Digital on my PS3 and bitstream it to my Receiver, it sounds BETTER than decoding HD audio onboard my PS3 and sending it as multi channel LPCM. Believe it or not, but that is what my ears tell me... And just to clarify, I sell a lot of high end audio as my full time job. :)

deank

1st May 2009, 15:36

I didn't realise that if I didn't state that I was using HDMI that you would assume that I was using optical... ?

Thank you for making sure though... but it's all good. :)

Yeah.. sorry for trying to be helpful. I probably got confused when you said 'bitstream' so I thought of spdif, not HDMI bitstream.

And you didn't say that the sony locks up... I'll leave it to more experienced ones to answer (if this is the correct thread at all).

Ryu77

1st May 2009, 15:44

Yeah.. sorry for trying to be helpful. I probably got confused when you said 'bitstream' so I thought of spdif, not HDMI bitstream.

And you didn't say that the sony locks up... I'll leave it to more experienced ones to answer (if this is the correct thread at all).

I know you were trying to be helpful but I thought it was clear that I am quite concise when it comes to this sort of thing, and I am not some nOOb that rants on about things that I have no idea about... Hehe! :p

Yes, I know I didn't say the Sony locks up... I was elaborating due to turbojet's request (I did say it won't play HD audio from DVD media).

turbojet

1st May 2009, 15:48

Oh I forgot decoding means something a little different with HD recievers. I changed it to playback, is that ok or have any other suggestion?

I split DTS-HD and TRUEHD, do you think DTS-HD and DTS-MA can live together in the same column?

Also can you provide a scenarist authored TrueHD and DTS-MA samples for the test pack?
10 seconds or so is fine, but it should have a picture, colorbars is what I used in most of the samples.

deank

1st May 2009, 16:27

@turbojet: Here (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/AVCHD_TESTS.exe)is an archive (800kb) - 1920x1080p@23.976fps w/ AC3 audio.

It contains 2 folders:

AVCHD_STRICT - contains:

AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV
AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\index.bdmv
AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\MovieObject.bdmv

AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\CLIPINF
AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\CLIPINF\00000.clpi

AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\PLAYLIST
AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls

AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\STREAM
AVCHD_STRICT\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts

AVCHD_AUX - contains:

AVCHD_AUX\BDMV
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\index.bdmv
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\MovieObject.bdmv

AVCHD_AUX\CERTIFICATE
AVCHD_AUX\CERTIFICATE\BACKUP
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\AUXDATA
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BDJO
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\JAR
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\META
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\BDJO

AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\CLIPINF
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\CLIPINF\00000.clpi
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\PLAYLIST
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\STREAM
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts

AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\index.bdmv
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\MovieObject.bdmv
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\CLIPINF\00000.clpi
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST
AVCHD_AUX\BDMV\BACKUP\PLAYLIST\00000.mpls

People can test them, burning their contents to DVD-R.

turbojet

1st May 2009, 16:34

Would they fit in one of the current columns?

Also I see TSMuxer changed their AVCHD output again in 1.10.1 they kept CERTIFICATE and AUXDATA folders ugh.

rack04

1st May 2009, 16:37

The Panasonic DMP-BD35/DMP-BD60 plays DTS-HD MA from AVCHD format with no problem at all. However, with TrueHD the player stutters (audio is all garbled and messed up). Just to confirm that this wasn't a tsMuxeR related bug I authored a small section with Sonic Scenarist and the exact same thing happened so it's definitely the player.

Does the TrueHD track that you're testing have the embedded AC3 track?

deank

1st May 2009, 17:14

Would they fit in one of the current columns?

Both are in AVCHD format. 1st one is the STRICT one. 2nd one is almost the same, but has these unnecessary folders. I believe they are useful for testing AVCHD on DVD.

Samples probably won't fit any column, because 1st and 3rd don't represent real AVCHD.

Probably you'll have to remove multiAVCHD from AVCHD= legend, because it is not the same as tsMuxeR's AVCHD.

turbojet

1st May 2009, 18:22

Both are in AVCHD format. 1st one is the STRICT one. 2nd one is almost the same, but has these unnecessary folders. I believe they are useful for testing AVCHD on DVD.

Samples probably won't fit any column, because 1st and 3rd don't represent real AVCHD.

Probably you'll have to remove multiAVCHD from AVCHD= legend, because it is not the same as tsMuxeR's AVCHD.

I removed multiavchd from avchd and I made room hopefully for another few columns.

I don't know if adding it would overwhelm the users to check 10 iso's. I don't know if some of them, like NEWBD could be omitted, although AVCHD vs. NEWBD vs. OLDBD was the first intention of this thread. I'd like to see if a player (Denon or Pioneer) that have issue with AVCHD try AVCHD_STRICT and those that have issues with OLDBD try AVCHD_AUX.

Maybe there's somehow the images can be reduced like dtshd+truehd+lpcm on the same iso?
Or maybe crop720+crop1080 on the same iso? problem is some players play crop1080 but not crop720 so far so that might not be good unless an avchd menu was used, which introduces another variable. Any have any ideas?

deank

1st May 2009, 18:31

CROP columns are unnecessary if you ask me. They are related to a playlist which would play a small black clip before unsupported resolution - nothing else. The unsupported clip/resolution (ie 1920x800/1280x544) will either play or not at all.

Because tsMuxeR's output is the base for all tests/columns (excluding FULL backup from BD-RB) I can't suggest anything that would keep track of all older tests performed last year.

For me there are 5 outputs:

1) Blu-ray - the one produced by BD-RB (Full Backup), tsMuxeR (new) with (o) Blu-ray output mode, multiAVCHD [Blu-ray for BD-R]
2) AVCHD (strict/real) - produced by multiAVCHD [AVCHD for DVD-R/BD-R] (no extra folders -just these in AVCHD_STRICT sample)
3) AVCHD (real) - produced by multiAVCHD [AVCHD for DVD-R/BD-R] with no [x] Strict AVCHD (with extra folders like these in AVCHD_AUX sample)
4) hybrid AVCHD - tsMuxer (old blu-ray), tsmuxer (new AVCHD), BD-RB "Movie only" - all with CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA
5) hybrid AVCHD - tsMuxer (old blu-ray), tsmuxer (new AVCHD), BD-RB "Movie only" - all without CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA

Dean

turbojet

1st May 2009, 18:37

Play or not is what this thread is all about though.

I think it would be pretty interesting to see what players do support it even though I don't crop I see a lot of talk on these forums about not being able to play their cropped encodes and it's fairly new.

Dropping OLDBD would be my first thought but its by far the most tested and I think it's a bit early to ditch it. Then NEWBD would be next even though bluray is still widely known as the mode to use for dvd and bd outside of enthusiasts and it would be nice to see if the output is really even needed outside of the BD35/55 VC-1 issue.

deank

1st May 2009, 18:44

I suspect (and I'm almost sure) that the problem with Panasonics and VC-1 video was that they won't play it unless they're tricked to see Blu-ray structure, hence the hex-edits to remove AVCHD parts from index.bdmv. And it works, because all other files (cpi/mpl) are already blu-ray, not avchd.

You're right about CROP720/CROP1080 - there may be players that won't play NC resolutions... and it doesn't depend on tsMuxeR's or multiAVCHD's options to overcome it by using a black-fill (which I think works only for PS3).

I hate your always off-line (invisible) status :D

turbojet

1st May 2009, 18:53

While NEWBD may fix VC-1 on DVD although I haven't seen any reports that it does yet it breaks AVCHD playback on DVD on the same panasonic BD35. I know VC-1 doesn't work on BD30 with AVCHD, NEWBD and OLDBD on DVD.

Surprisingly there's already been a few players that play the NC files. Although there's a lot of room for error on reports like positioning, aspect ratio and artifacts. I used a 16:9 picture with a near perfect circle in the center to hopefully reduce bad reports. I've also seen some reports that PS3 with NC hack is positioned at the top of the screen is that true?

And what was the conclusion with 1280x cropped resolutions on PS3?
1280x528 seems to be the slimmest widely used resolution from looking at reports and some old encodes I did. Which makes sense it's about 2.40:1 and it doesn't get much slimmer then that except the few cinerama films.

deank

1st May 2009, 19:03

You can say that PS3 doesn't support non 480/576/720p/1080i/1080p or you can say it supports all.

The problem with NC resolutions is that there is always top-alignment (one black/green bar at the bottom and none at top).

1920x... resolutions play in 1080p/1080i.
1280x >=584 play in 720p
1280x <584 always play in 480p.
720x576i play in 576p
720x <>576i play in 480p

turbojet

1st May 2009, 19:09

I would consider that watchable but not how it should be but I have a feeling there will be a lot of reports like that without giving much detail.

deank

1st May 2009, 22:23

Ryu77

1st May 2009, 23:11

Does the TrueHD track that you're testing have the embedded AC3 track?

Yes, of course. The MLP data is basically the difference of what was removed during the lossy process. So you can't really have the TrueHD track without the embedded AC3 core. Although, it is physically possible to do this, I don't believe that a playable track would result.

If I play that same disc (with a TrueHD track) on my PS3 and select bitstream, the core AC3 track is used (as the PS3 can not bitstream HD audio) and plays perfectly. That same disc also plays perfectly when I opt to decode the TrueHD within the PS3 and send 5.1 LPCM to my receiver.

turbojet

2nd May 2009, 00:22

BTW a simple test you can perform with a full BD-RB or other BDMV source (if it doesn't work in your player and has no JAVA applications) is to convert it to AVHCD-like structure:

1) Use a copy of your original BDMV folder
2) Drag the BDMV folder to multiAVCHD
2x) Set [x] No menu / [x] No welcome screen / [x] Strict AVCHD
3) Let it create [AVCHD for DVD/BD-R]
4) Replace index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv with the original
5) Run goBD against index.bdmv

I may create a small tool that will do all this BD->AVCHD and backwards next days. It will flatten all differences between OLD/NEW/BD/AVCHD/etc and will make testing easier, without the need of re-processing everything again.

I'll try it out, maybe this weekend.

I added 6 iso's to the test pack.
avchd_aux
avchd_strict
avchd-dtshd
avchd-truehd
newbd-dtshd
newbd-truehd

Ryu77

2nd May 2009, 02:15

Update...

I just tested the LG BD370 and it handles TrueHD and DTS-HD MA perfectly from DVD media (AVCHD). This player also plays DivX and MKV! If only the other brands would start including such versatility.

So to summarize my findings so far...

- Sony BDP-S550 will not play DTS-HD MA or Dolby TrueHD in AVCHD format

- Panasonic DMP-BD35 and DMP-BD60 plays DTS-HD MA but not Dolby TrueHD in AVCHD format.

- LG BD370 plays both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD in AVCHD format.

turbojet

2nd May 2009, 03:58

Thanks I updated the first post.

I remember reading only the EU BD370's play mkv and divx, while the BD390 handles both worldwide. But I wonder if mkv has any limitations like resolution and audio, would you be able to check?

Also do you have a chance to check out FULLBD, CROP720, and/or CROP1080?

odin24

2nd May 2009, 05:09

... and possibly FLAC in mkv, if you have the time. Does the LG play DivX and mkv from BD, or DVD... or USB?

turbojet

2nd May 2009, 06:48

BTW a simple test you can perform with a full BD-RB or other BDMV source (if it doesn't work in your player and has no JAVA applications) is to convert it to AVHCD-like structure:

1) Use a copy of your original BDMV folder
2) Drag the BDMV folder to multiAVCHD
2x) Set [x] No menu / [x] No welcome screen / [x] Strict AVCHD
3) Let it create [AVCHD for DVD/BD-R]
4) Replace index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv with the original
5) Run goBD against index.bdmv

I may create a small tool that will do all this BD->AVCHD and backwards next days. It will flatten all differences between OLD/NEW/BD/AVCHD/etc and will make testing easier, without the need of re-processing everything again.

Tried this with 3 sources and playing on arcsoft TMT3 which is quite possibly the most leniant software player I've seen:
1. No top menu but popup menu. this worked OK with and without goBD.
2. HDMV menu, played title logo but quit when getting to menu after mAVCHD. goBD worked with BDRB output.
3. BDJ menu, mAVCHD crashed with couldn't find index error. goBD worked with BDRB output.

I think it's something to do with mAVCHD processing the menus. I also tried AVCHD V002 with same results.

Ryu77

2nd May 2009, 15:43

I remember reading only the EU BD370's play mkv and divx, while the BD390 handles both worldwide. But I wonder if mkv has any limitations like resolution and audio, would you be able to check?

Preliminary testing is indicating that there are no limitations on MKV files as long as they are within the Blu-ray spec (well, as far as encoding parameters are concerned. Resolution doesn't need to conform). However, if you have a file with say too many reference frames, the player can still play the file but presents you with a warning that the file may not play correctly. The file is then played with decoding issues (appears to be not decoding the larger number of reference frames correctly).

Also do you have a chance to check out FULLBD, CROP720, and/or CROP1080?

I can certainly test FULLBD when I can find the time but I have a feeling that it wont be a problem as this is the most multi format compatible stand alone player I have come across so far... However, I don't think CROP720 and CROP1080 are relevent for this player since you can simply burn the Matroska file to a disc or drop it onto USB media and play it from there with no modification.

... and possibly FLAC in mkv, if you have the time. Does the LG play DivX and mkv from BD, or DVD... or USB?

All three!! :-)

I don't think it will handle FLAC though...

Oh, and I forgot to mention it can accept .mp4 container format files too. By the way picture quality is excellent too! Also, it can play 720p and 1080p AVCHD at 24fps (unlike the PS3 which will only play 1080p content at the correct film frame rate of 24p). I like this player so much I took one home to keep today! :-)

deank

2nd May 2009, 15:47

Tried this with 3 sources and playing on arcsoft TMT3 which is quite possibly the most leniant software player I've seen...

I don't know if a software player is the best way to test...
Anyways.. there was a major problem in multiAVCHD when importing Blu-ray structures. Sometimes playlist files got broken - it is now fixed in build 562 - you can give it another try. Here is the build update info. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1280617#post1280617)

Ryu77

2nd May 2009, 23:46

turbojet, I just noticed that you entered in the DTS-HD compatibility (and TrueHD incompatibility) in the Panasonic DMP-BD80 column. It was actually the DMP-BD60 that I tested. :-)

turbojet

3rd May 2009, 08:31

Preliminary testing is indicating that there are no limitations on MKV files as long as they are within the Blu-ray spec (well, as far as encoding parameters are concerned. Resolution doesn't need to conform). However, if you have a file with say too many reference frames, the player can still play the file but presents you with a warning that the file may not play correctly. The file is then played with decoding issues (appears to be not decoding the larger number of reference frames correctly).

Ah sounds good, have you had the chance to check srt, vobsub in mkv playback?

I can certainly test FULLBD when I can find the time but I have a feeling that it wont be a problem as this is the most multi format compatible stand alone player I have come across so far... However, I don't think CROP720 and CROP1080 are relevent for this player since you can simply burn the Matroska file to a disc or drop it onto USB media and play it from there with no modification.

Maybe I can make a FULLBD sample to put in the pack over the next few days and a good point about the cropped avchd\bd.

turbojet, I just noticed that you entered in the DTS-HD compatibility (and TrueHD incompatibility) in the Panasonic DMP-BD80 column. It was actually the DMP-BD60 that I tested. :-)

Fixed, thanks.

I don't know if a software player is the best way to test...
Anyways.. there was a major problem in multiAVCHD when importing Blu-ray structures. Sometimes playlist files got broken - it is now fixed in build 562 - you can give it another try. Here is the build update info.

True it's not the best thing to test on but I have a feeling if the original BD plays and the changed one doesn't in TMT3 it would be the same on a BD player.

However in PowerDVD 8 and 9 it doesn't play things that regular BD players play like avchd output. I found out that it needs all the folders and V0200 bdmv's to play. IDEX doesn't make a difference.

I will test the latest version on TMT3 and if it plays I'll get it tested on a BD player.

Edit: With multiAVCHD 563 TMT3 still quits when it gets to menu.

Ryu77

3rd May 2009, 14:42

Ah sounds good, have you had the chance to check srt, vobsub in mkv playback?

I just tested a SubRip (.srt) subtitle stream muxed within an MKV file on the LG BD370 and it plays fine with subtitle displayed from USB media.

razvan_seed

3rd May 2009, 15:02

Hi Ryu77 and hi guys.I just bought a sony bdp-s500 and i don't know hot to make a movie h264 from mkv to play on it.Could you please help me?plssssI have also the ps3 and all of the movies i've made so far worked flawless on ps3 but the same movie doesn;t work on sony s500.I used mkv2vob in disc mode,just 1080p bd compliant and with ac3 and dts.Plsssss

razvan_seed

3rd May 2009, 16:26

turbojet

4th May 2009, 00:37

No need to double post but try using tsmuxer with avchd output instead of mkv2vob. If that doesn't work in the s550 open the mkv with mediainfo, switch to text view and paste the width, height, encoding settings lines.

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 07:51

could you pls be more specific about encoding lines?plssss.And sorry about the double post.Net trouble.

turbojet

4th May 2009, 08:05

could you pls be more specific about encoding lines?plssss.And sorry about the double post.Net trouble.

Download mediainfo (http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en/Download)
open the mkv in mediainfo
go to view -> text
there will be a bunch of lines showing, 3 of them will be width, height and encoding settings, paste these

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 08:33

ok now done this but ,,where,, to paste those 3 lines?

turbojet

4th May 2009, 08:59

ok now done this but ,,where,, to paste those 3 lines?

in this thread

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 09:12

Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 816 pixels
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / rc=2pass / bitrate=9469 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 09:13

i want to make avchd and burn it into dvd-r or double layer to see it

turbojet

4th May 2009, 12:03

The only chance you have without encoding to a bd compliant resolution/level is to:
open mkv/m2ts with tsmuxer 1.9.6+
make sure add blank playlist is checked in the bluray tab
choose avchd output
set output path
start muxing

If this doesn't work you'll have to encode the video at 1920x1080 (4 or less reference frames) or 1280x720 (9 or less reference frames)

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 13:06

and if the video is bd compliant,i mean like 1920+1080 and level 4.1,what do i have to do and with what program.And do i have to delete some folders from the resulting avchd?

turbojet

4th May 2009, 13:22

Mux with AVCHD with TSMuxer or a front end like multiAVCHD or popBD. You shouldn't have to change anything with the output.

G_M_C

4th May 2009, 13:42

Well, the first post is incorrect for the pana BD30. I've got a AVCHD disk, made with an older version of TSMuxeR, and it plays DTS-MA fine. And i've got the feeling that it plays the BD-output of the newer versions of tsMuxeR too. But i havent got a project to do atm, so no test material ready; Might try one later (will give direction on how it's made if applicable).

turbojet

4th May 2009, 13:47

G_M_C

4th May 2009, 14:23

I tested out the dtshd and truehd samples in the pack yesterday. It played the video but it didn't detect an audio track. However I'm not sure the DTS-HD and TrueHD samples made with TSMUxer 1.10.1 are working, my first try with HD audio on DVD and no one else has tested it yet. Can you try it?

I've got one that playes for shure (and has done for many weeks now ;) ) The DTS-MA is streamed to and recognised/decoded by my Onkyo.

turbojet

4th May 2009, 14:33

I've got one that playes for shure (and has done for many weeks now ;) ) The DTS-MA is streamed to and recognised/decoded by my Onkyo.

It would be nice to find out why the different results. Since I had a brutal time cutting DTSHD and TrueHD I have a feeling it's the sample I made but need you test it. You could also try cutting a sample of your playable one for me and I can test it.

razvan_seed

4th May 2009, 16:50

what about subtitles in avchd?should be srt or pgs?

turbojet

5th May 2009, 10:49

You got it razvan_seed.

G_M_C I removed DTSHD THD results from panasonic BD30 until we can solve this. Would anyone else be able to test avchd-dtshd.iso and avchd-truehd.iso on a player that's known to support HD audio on DVD?

razvan_seed

6th May 2009, 06:44

ok now guys.i've made a 650 mb sample of a movie in 1080p(1920+1080p) +dts+srt+pgs with multi avchd and with tsmuxer 1.9.9.only the one with tsmuxer worked.my sony bdp-s500 is going to have a lot to work to do with the discs i will be making.

Ryu77

6th May 2009, 10:09

I don't mean to ruin the flow here but isn't this meant to be thread related to discovering compatibility between different players with HD video placed on DVD media?

You started the thread turbojet so it's your choice but I really think that razvan_seed should be pursuing this type of questioning on an alternate thread.

turbojet

6th May 2009, 10:45

I added all BD software players I know of except Arcsoft Theatre 2 which I don't have to the original post in case anyone is interested.

ok now guys.i've made a 650 mb sample of a movie in 1080p(1920+1080p) +dts+srt+pgs with multi avchd and with tsmuxer 1.9.9.only the one with tsmuxer worked.my sony bdp-s500 is going to have a lot to work to do with the discs i will be making.

Have fun. Do you remember if you used strict AVCHD folders and what type of output (AVCHD for USB, AVCHD for DVD, or Blu-ray for BD-R) you used with multiAVCHD? Be better to answer this in the multiAVCHD thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143744) so the developer has a better chance of seeing it and could possibly fix it.

I don't mean to ruin the flow here but isn't this meant to be thread related to discovering compatibility between different players with HD video placed on DVD media?

You started the thread turbojet so it's your choice but I really think that razvan_seed should be pursuing this type of questioning on an alternate thread.

It's fine with me as long as it doesn't turn into a lengthy discussion.

G_M_C

6th May 2009, 11:37

Another new fact to report; Made a test-run of an 720p30, wich isnt supposed to be an official standard (720p24(25) / 720p60(50) are). But an clip AVC/H264 @ 1280x720 @ 29.97 ("720p30") burned on DVD+RW works fine on my BD30 :)

Used tsMuxeRGui 1.9.8 (cannot find 1.9.9 ?) at AVCHD output. Will try BD output later.

Wishbringer

6th May 2009, 16:10

Used tsMuxeRGui 1.9.8 (cannot find 1.9.9 ?) at AVCHD output.

look at http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html, it's official release.

G_M_C

7th May 2009, 09:26

look at http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html, it's official release.

Found 1.10.1 allready.

Next up for the rapport: Blu-ray output doesnt work with Pana bd30. AVCHD does, even the 720p30. But i cant reccomend using 720p30, cause the player seems to produce tremendous banding. I seems to reeinterlace the source and then to bob it ... or something ... to reach the specified 720p60. The image is not very good, and the banding allmost doesnt appear (90% less or so) when the clip is played on my PC screen.

turbojet

7th May 2009, 09:43

Found 1.10.1 allready.

Next up for the rapport: Blu-ray output doesnt work with Pana bd30. AVCHD does, even the 720p30. But i cant reccomend using 720p30, cause the player seems to produce tremendous banding. I seems to reeinterlace the source and then to bob it ... or something ... to reach the specified 720p60. The image is not very good, and the banding allmost doesnt appear (90% less or so) when the clip is played on my PC screen.

I wonder if you hacked some files so it appears as 30i if it would work any different.

Have you been able to check out the avchd-dtshd.iso and avchd-truehd.iso from the test samples in the first thread yet?

deank

7th May 2009, 09:59

avchd-dtshd.iso works in Playstation3.

G_M_C

7th May 2009, 10:33

I wonder if you hacked some files so it appears as 30i if it would work any different.

Have you been able to check out the avchd-dtshd.iso and avchd-truehd.iso from the test samples in the first thread yet?

Nope, my system has been crunching macroblocks with x264 ;) Nice exercise for my QX9650 @ 3200 (8 x 400) :devil:

But will get those test-iso's as soon as i'm able to actually run the tests.

Anyways, no hacking. Just ended up with a video that was 1080i60, which i had to deinterlace, en keeping is 1080p isn't very practical after deinterlacing, so i enden up with a video that was 1280x720 at 29,97 progressive frames a second. Simply selected the RawAVC in tsMuxeR setting the rate to 30000/1001 worked (to my surprise !). But i see more banding this way, then when played directly on the PC.

odwoh

9th May 2009, 17:09

Sony BDP-S550 , 015 firmware

c1080 works
c720 plays but has a split screen

turbojet

10th May 2009, 09:42

Sony BDP-S550 , 015 firmware

c1080 works
c720 plays but has a split screen

Does the C1080 display a round circle or is it tall and skinny?

Discoboy

10th May 2009, 13:28

@ turbojet,

I also posted this to you in the TsMuxer thread

I found that the latest PowerDVD’s players very strictly comply with AVCHD format!

Tests made with TsMuxer 1.10.3 in AVCHD mode

If you burn the AVCHD ouput files to a DVD and play on PowerDVD, ALL versions of PowerDVD will play with NO problems and also NO problems on a SAP Panasonic BD35

If you make an ISO image of the AVCHD ouput files and mount on a virtual drive on the PC then play on PowerDVD only version 7.3.3119 or below will play it. Versions upto 9.0.1531 will NOT play it.

So it seems the latest versions of PowerDVD will only play AVCHD via DVD media

If add the following empty folders to your AVCHD output files:
BDMV: add “BDJO” + “JAR” + “META”
BDMV\BACKUP: add “BDJO”
Then make an ISO image of the AVCHD output files and mount on a virtual drive on the PC and then play on PowerDVD, ALL versions will play it

So I believe the problem is with PowerDVD very strictly complying with AVCHD format.

To prove this point a DTS 1.5Mbps sound stream is not officially supported in the AVCHD format and if used on a AVCHD burned DVD, PowerDVD’s after version 7.3.3119 it will NOT play the DTS sound. If you instead make a ISO image + the missing folders with DTS sound, ALL versions of PowerDVD will play the sound

Regards
Discoboy

turbojet

10th May 2009, 13:42

Thanks I updated the original post.

WinDVD is also proving to be this strange.

markg

24th September 2009, 17:36

I have successfully played full disc backups on BD-25 on the LG BD390. No issues.

I made a BD-9 full disc with BD Rebuilder 0.29.04 and the BD390 shows it as an AVCHD disc and promptly hangs with a black screen and the front panel reading 00000. Power down is required.

I made a BD-5 using the AVCHD.iso test and it works fine. (Tonight I will try it with a BD-9 disc, but I doubt it's the media.)

I have tried deleting the CERTIFICATE and AUXDATA folders from the BD-9 - made no difference. I also tried running GoBD last night and that didn't help either (but I left the CERTIFICATE and AUXDATA folders in place).

Has anyone got a full disc BD-9 to play on a BD390? Suggestions on what else to try?

odin24

28th September 2009, 05:19

Capsbackup

28th September 2009, 06:21

@markg;
Has anyone got a full disc BD-9 to play on a BD390? Suggestions on what else to try?
Full movie backups on anything but BD media(BDR/RE) is very unpredictable, even Sony players are not completely compatible. Movie only should be compatible on almost any player that supports AVCHD.

turbojet

29th September 2009, 15:20

It's a longshot but one thing you can try if your player isn't playing full backups from DVD is copying all the content except for the BDMV\STREAM folder from the original to the DVD output, overwrite everything. This will cause video streams to end earlier then they should but it could also test whether BD-RB is doing something to the files that some players don't agree with.

markg

7th October 2009, 22:54

Thanks all. Here is some more data:

Tried burning the AVCHD iso to a DVD-9 - it didn't play - until I changed the book type to DVD-RW, then it was fine.

Tried burning the BD-RB output to DVD-9 with book type set to DVD-RW, no go. Tried the same without the AUXDATA and CERTIFCATE folders, still no go.

So at this point I've decided it's not worth the effort - I'll just stick with BD-25.

Capsbackup

8th October 2009, 04:25

For full movie backups, I agree, stick with BD-25 media for maximum compatibility. Movie only to BD5/BD9 should be compatible with most AVCHD capable BD players.

odin24

8th October 2009, 05:41

@markg
I'm not sure if you noticed my previous post. Try remuxing any movie-only backups with tsMuxeR v1.9.9, use the "AVCHD" output, if you are going to use DVD media. Also, be sure to burn using the UDF 2.5 file system.

markg

14th October 2009, 22:52

Odin24:

I saw your post but I am not doing movie-only backups so it doesn't apply.

Mark

vamsiklak

14th October 2009, 22:58

does anybody have any problem with bdps350 player
i encoded my home video with its giving audio gaps
if i pause and play it plays around 5 sec and audio gaps

iam using xvid4psp software to encode from dvd to bluray
is there any other software that encodes dvd files to bluray
or m2ts format

turbojet

16th October 2009, 15:40

does anybody have any problem with bdps350 player
i encoded my home video with its giving audio gaps
if i pause and play it plays around 5 sec and audio gaps

I don't own the player but I haven't heard of this type of problem with it on a properly encoded file. It could be any number of things from software to the dvd copy protection.

iam using xvid4psp software to encode from dvd to bluray
is there any other software that encodes dvd files to bluray
or m2ts format

Nothing quite as direct as xvid4psp with open dvd but if you are familiar with demuxing with dgindex and creating avisynth files RipBot264, HDconverttoX, sx264 can input avisynth and output bluray/m2ts. RipBot264 has a bitrate calculator if you are aiming for a certain size, the other 2 don't.

deank

16th October 2009, 15:58

Not to sound like an advertisement of my tool, :) but multiAVCHD will re-author a DVD into a Blu-ray or AVCHD in few minutes without re-encoding, keeping the original quality. Of course it is possible to transcode to H.264/AVC, too.

It is as simple as dragging VIDEO_TS folder to multiAVCHD and clicking "START". No need for avisynth or anything else (if user doesn't need a menu).

marujo

18th October 2009, 14:11

I do not know if it's useful but I tested with same files my new PopcornHour C200 with an LG BluRay reader monted inside and the results were quite good!!

AVCHD - OK !
NEWBD - OK !
OLDBD - OK !
AVCHD_AUX - OK !
AVCHD_STRICT - OK !
AVCHD_CROP720p - OK !
AVCHD_CROP1080p - OK !
AVCHD_DTSHD - OK !
AVCHD_TRUEHD (*) - OK !

(*) with this iso burned I hear only 2 piano notes on the last 2 seconds of the clip, is it normal?

I burned the ISOs on a good quality DVD-RW (SONY) at a 1X speed and no problems at all for any of the files.

This is the DEFINITIVE media player after this test as it can read all digital media (DVD and BD either originals and backups) and all media files all around (inlcuding HD MKV and HD XVID).

It's firmware needs tweaking but so far I am happy of having wait and not bought a SAP BluRay Player!!!

If you need further info or to run additional tests I am available, so contact me via PM or EMAIL!

mail2tom

28th December 2009, 05:24

I have a JVC XV-PB1 and all of the burned ISOs played. To my naked eye the "crop1080" and "crop720" (both avchd and newbd) showed some signs of artifacts in that the circle border was not truly clear. Although there was some sound on the DTS ISOs, I can't vouch for true DTS sound as I do not have a DTS sound system.

setarip_old

28th December 2009, 06:02

@vamsiklak

Hi!

May I ask what the purpose/benefit is in simply converting DVDs to BluRay format?

Ghitulescu

2nd January 2010, 14:11