Mystery regarding AVI playback on Standalone

[Anadw]

I have a Philips DVP5992 (Mediatek chipsets, MT1389DXE) and an external hard drive. AutoGK is set to Standalone support for MTK.

When I playback .AVI files created in AutoGK, I get one of two results:

1. The playback begins immediately after a brief pause and a momentary 'indexing' message;

2. The playback starts after 6 minutes or more during which the light on my external hard drive flashes as if it were doing some heavy duty reading.

I have experimented with Xvid and DivX encoding with apparently no difference in outcome. (The player says it's DivX compatible and I don't get this problem when I use the encoder provided by DivX, but the video quality is much better using AutoGK.) Based on my efforts, the results (case 1 or 2 above) appear to be determined by the video source material and not AutoGK settings, but maybe I am missing something. Anyone have thoughts or recommendations?

Thanks in advance for any insights or suggestions.

[BigDid]

Hi and welcome to the forum,

Please post logfiles for the 2 results if you want some analysis on your encodes.

Regards.

Did

[Anadw]

I am posting two log files.

The first AVI file ("Solace") loads almost immediately, after the standalone displays a "Reading Index" message that counts to 100.

The second AVI file ("Eyes") does not display the "Reading Index" message and loads after about 6 minutes.

(Both AVIs play immediately on my computer.) Thanks again for any suggestions.

Solace:

[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] AutoGK 2.55
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] OS: Windows Vista (6.0.6001).2
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Job started.
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Input file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Output file: C:\Users\Documents\SOLACE.avi
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Output codec: XviD
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Audio 1: English AC3 6ch
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Subtitles: none
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Format: AVI
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Target size: 2040Mb
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Audio 1 settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Standalone support enabled: MTK/Sigma
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Started encoding.
[4/14/2009 5:39:13 PM] Demuxing and indexing.
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Processing file: C:\SOLACE\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_6.VOB
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Source resolution: 720x480
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Found NTSC source.
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Output will contain 152811 frames
[4/14/2009 5:41:01 PM] Decoding audio.
[4/14/2009 5:43:23 PM] Normalizing audio.
[4/14/2009 5:43:37 PM] Encoding audio.
[4/14/2009 5:53:28 PM] Using VAQ in XviD
[4/14/2009 5:53:28 PM] Audio1 size: 91,024,896 bytes (86.81 Mb)
[4/14/2009 5:53:29 PM] Overhead: 6,112,384 bytes (5.83 Mb)
[4/14/2009 5:53:29 PM] Video size: 2,041,957,760 bytes (1947.36 Mb)
[4/14/2009 5:53:29 PM] Running compressibility test.
[4/14/2009 5:53:29 PM] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\SOLACE_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\SOLACE.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
SelectRangeEvery(300,15)
===========================================================
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Duration was: 2 minutes 23 seconds
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Speed was: 53.41 fps.
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Compressibility percentage is: 146.71
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Switching b-frames off
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Chosen resolution is: 720x320 ( AR: 2.25 )
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Predicted comptest value is: 101.93%
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Running first pass.
[4/14/2009 5:55:53 PM] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\SOLACE_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\SOLACE.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
===========================================================
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Duration was: 31 minutes 45 seconds
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Speed was: 80.18 fps.
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Expected quality of first pass size: 107.85%
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Trying to adjust settings.
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] No adjustment is possible
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Warning: final AVI will likely be undersized.
[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Running second pass.
[4/14/2009 7:08:02 PM] Duration was: 40 minutes 22 seconds
[4/14/2009 7:08:02 PM] Speed was: 63.09 fps.
[4/14/2009 7:08:02 PM] Job finished. Total time: 1 hour, 28 minutes 49 seconds

Eyes:

[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] AutoGK 2.55
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] OS: Windows Vista (6.0.6001).2
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Job started.
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Input file: C:\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_0.IFO
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Output file: C:\Users\Documents\EYES.avi
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Output codec: DivX
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Audio 1: Espanol AC3 2ch
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Subtitles 1: English wide
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Format: AVI
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Target size: 2040Mb
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Audio 1 settings: VBR MP3 with average bitrate: 128Kbps
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Standalone support enabled: MTK/Sigma
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Started encoding.
[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Demuxing and indexing.
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Processing file: C:\Users\Documents\DVDFab\MainMovie\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Processing file: C:\Users\Documents\DVDFab\MainMovie\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_2.VOB
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Processing file: C:\Users\Documents\DVDFab\MainMovie\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_3.VOB
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Processing file: C:\Users\Documents\DVDFab\MainMovie\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_4.VOB
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Processing file: C:\Users\Documents\DVDFab\MainMovie\EYES\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Source resolution: 720x480
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Found NTSC source.
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Source aspect ratio: 16:9
[4/10/2009 9:42:58 AM] Analyzing source.
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Source has percentage of interlacing in motion areas: 34.02
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Source has percentage of telecined patterns: 93.49
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Source has percentage of progressive patterns: 6.46
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Source has percentage of interlaced patterns: 0.05
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Source is considered to be hybrid (mostly FILM).
[4/10/2009 9:47:17 AM] Looking for optimal hybrid thresholds.
[4/10/2009 9:48:26 AM] Source seems to be pure FILM.
[4/10/2009 9:48:26 AM] Output will contain 171313 frames
[4/10/2009 9:48:26 AM] Decoding audio.
[4/10/2009 9:49:57 AM] Normalizing audio.
[4/10/2009 9:50:13 AM] Encoding audio.
[4/10/2009 10:00:12 AM] Preparing subtitles.
[4/10/2009 10:01:14 AM] Audio1 size: 104,714,904 bytes (99.86 Mb)
[4/10/2009 10:01:15 AM] Overhead: 11,052,544 bytes (10.54 Mb)
[4/10/2009 10:01:15 AM] Video size: 2,023,327,592 bytes (1929.60 Mb)
[4/10/2009 10:01:15 AM] Target bitrate is: 2265kbps
[4/10/2009 10:01:15 AM] Running compressibility test.
[4/10/2009 10:01:15 AM] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES_comptest.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 704
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=0)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
VobSub("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES.idx")
SelectRangeEvery(280,14)
===========================================================
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Duration was: 4 minutes 2 seconds
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Speed was: 35.38 fps.
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Compressibility percentage is: 115.00
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Switching b-frames off
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Chosen resolution is: 720x416 ( AR: 1.73 )
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Predicted comptest value is: 91.69%
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Running first pass.
[4/10/2009 10:05:17 AM] Writing the following script to C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES_movie.avs
===========================================================
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\autocrop.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\decomb.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\vsfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\AutoGK\filters\RemoveGrainSSE3.dll")

movie = mpeg2source("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES.d2v")
cropclip = autocrop(movie,mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=0,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
fixed_aspect = 1.18518518518519
c_width = width(cropclip)
c_height = round(height(cropclip) / fixed_aspect)
input_par = float(c_width)/float(c_height)
input_par = (input_par > 1.4) || (input_par < 1.25) ? input_par : (4.0/3.0)
out_width = 720
out_height = round(float(out_width) / input_par)
hmod = out_height - (floor(out_height / 16 ) * 16)
out_height = (hmod > 4) ? (out_height + (16 - hmod)) : (out_height - hmod)
new_aspect = (float(out_width) / float(out_height)) / fixed_aspect
Telecide(movie,guide=1,post=2).Decimate(mode=0)
autocrop(mode=0,wmultof=4,hmultof=4,samples=10,aspect=new_aspect,threshold=34,samplestartframe=0,leftadd=0,rightadd=0,topadd=0,bottomadd=0)
LanczosResize(out_width,out_height)
RemoveGrain(mode=2)
VobSub("C:\Users\Documents\agk_tmp\EYES.idx")
===========================================================
[4/10/2009 10:52:27 AM] Duration was: 47 minutes 9 seconds
[4/10/2009 10:52:27 AM] Speed was: 60.54 fps.
[4/10/2009 10:52:28 AM] Running second pass.
[4/10/2009 11:39:45 AM] Duration was: 47 minutes 16 seconds
[4/10/2009 11:39:45 AM] Speed was: 60.39 fps.
[4/10/2009 11:39:45 AM] Job finished. Total time: 1 hour, 58 minutes 6 seconds

[BigDid]

Hi,

Very similar logs.
I can see 2 minor changes:
1/ solace is pure film, eyes is hybrid (mostly film)
2/ solace is undersized: "[4/14/2009 6:27:39 PM] Warning: final AVI will likely be undersized"
eyes is not

Even if not familiar with hybrid/interlaces material (I live in PAL land) I don't think it influence the playback
So I suppose the culprit may be the size of your final avi "[4/10/2009 9:41:39 AM] Target size: 2040Mb" not accepted by your player. Solace being undersized under 2000Mb may escape the problem.

To verify reencode a problematic movie to ... 1999Mb (or less) and try again ;)

A tip concerning video and audio, at this high bitrate 50Mb more or less for video will not be seen but 50Mb more for the audio (from 128 to 160/176) will really be an improvement. Anyhow, your choice in the end.
Please let us know if usefull...

Did

[budwzr]

It's probably a bug in the player firmware.

[talen9]

Better still, open the generated AVI files with AVInaptic (google o search the forum for it) and post here the report :)

[Anadw]

Thanks for the interest. Here are the AVInaptic results: First is "Eyes" that takes six minutes to load -- without any "Reading Index" message from the player. Second is "Solace" that loads immediately after the "Reading Index" message that quickly counts to 100.

[ About file ]

Name: EYES.avi
Date: 10/04/2009 11:39:46
Size: 2,143,090,688 bytes (2043.811 MB)

[ Generic infos ]

Play duration: 01:59:05 (7145.138 s)
Container type: AVI OpenDML indexes multi-chunks (*)
Number of streams: 2
Type of stream nr. 0: video
Type of stream nr. 1: audio
Audio streams: 1
ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1 (build 2178/release)
IAS1: Espanol
JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2178/release

[ Relevant data ]

Resolution: 720 x 416
Width: multiple of 16
Height: multiple of 32

[ Video track ]

FourCC: divx/DX50
Resolution: 720 x 416
Frame aspect ratio: 45:26 = 1.730769
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 45:26 = 1.730769
Framerate: 23.976023 fps
Number of frames: 171312 (170722)
Stream size: 2,023,290,053 bytes
Bitrate: 2265.361484 kbps
Qf: 0.315452
Key frames: 2609 (0; 240; 480; 720; 960; ... 171257)
Null frames: 0
Min key int: 1
Max key int: 240
Avg key int: 65.661939
Delay: 0 ms

[ Audio track ]

Audio tag: 0x55 (MP3)
Bitrate (container): 117.24 kbps VBR
Channels (container): 2
Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz
Chunks: 297714
Stream size: 104,713,824 bytes
Preload: 504 ms
Max A/V diff: 524 ms
Type: MPEG-1 Layer III
Encoder: LAME3.98r
Chunk-aligned: Yes
Emphasis: none
Mode: joint stereo
Delay: 0 ms

[ About MPEG4 encoding ]

User data: DivX503b1328
QPel: No
GMC: No
Interlaced: No
Aspect ratio: Square pixels
Quant type: H.263

[ Profile compliancy ]

Profile to check: MTK PAL 6000
Resolution: Ok
Framerate: 23.976023 <> 25
Warning: If you need a more complete report, then click on "DRF analysis"

This report was created by AVInaptic (18-11-2007) on 25 apr 2009, h 09:02:41



[ About file ]

Name: SOLACE.avi
Date: 14/04/2009 19:08:04
Size: 1,889,257,472 bytes (1801.736 MB)

[ Generic infos ]

Play duration: 01:46:13 (6373.450416 s)
Container type: AVI OpenDML
Number of streams: 2
Type of stream nr. 0: video
Type of stream nr. 1: audio
Audio streams: 1
ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1 (build 2178/release)
IAS1: English
JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2178/release

[ Relevant data ]

Resolution: 720 x 304
Width: multiple of 16
Height: multiple of 16

[ Video track ]

FourCC: xvid/XVID
Resolution: 720 x 304
Frame aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1)
Framerate: 23.976023 fps
Number of frames: 152810
Stream size: 1,788,104,204 bytes
Bitrate: 2244.441032 kbps
Qf: 0.427685
Key frames: 3338 (0; 240; 480; 720; 861; ... 152686)
Null frames: 0
Min key int: 1
Max key int: 240
Avg key int: 45.778909
Delay: 0 ms

[ Audio track ]

Audio tag: 0x55 (MP3)
Bitrate (container): 114.256 kbps VBR
Channels (container): 2
Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz
Chunks: 265560
Stream size: 91,024,512 bytes
Preload: 504 ms
Max A/V diff: 524 ms
Type: MPEG-1 Layer III
Encoder: LAME3.98r
Chunk-aligned: Yes
Emphasis: none
Mode: joint stereo
Delay: 0 ms

[ About MPEG4 encoding ]

User data: XviD0050
QPel: No
GMC: No
Interlaced: No
Aspect ratio: Square pixels
Quant type: MPEG custom (*)
Custom intra quant matrix:
8 9 10 11 12 14 16 18
9 11 12 13 15 16 18 20
10 12 14 16 17 19 21 22
11 13 16 18 20 22 24 26
12 15 17 20 23 25 28 30
14 16 19 22 25 29 34 38
16 18 21 24 28 34 46 52
18 20 22 26 30 38 52 72
Custom inter quant matrix:
16 16 17 17 18 19 21 23
16 17 17 18 19 20 22 24
17 17 19 20 21 23 24 27
17 18 20 22 24 25 28 32
18 19 21 24 26 29 36 40
19 20 23 25 29 40 48 52
21 22 24 28 36 48 60 64
23 24 27 32 40 52 64 106

[ Profile compliancy ]

Profile to check: MTK PAL 6000
Resolution: Ok
Framerate: 23.976023 <> 25
Warning: If you need a more complete report, then click on "DRF analysis"

This report was created by AVInaptic (18-11-2007) on 25 apr 2009, h 09:03:32

[Wolfman]

2gb is the max file size on Fat32.. which is the only filing system recognized by the phillips on an external hard disc. AFAIK you can use bigger files if burnt to DVD as they again use a different file system. Also 2gb on windows can show as more Kb (or less) when burning in Nero...

When you put your Slightly over sized file on your disc.. it will only copy/ write 2gb and the last bit(s) with some vital info is missing So the player has to read all the way thru the file to find the end. I suspect you have cusped out.

Size: 2,143,090,688 bytes (2043.811 MB) Too big !
Size: 1,889,257,472 bytes (1801.736 MB) Ooooh, Just right..

insight provided by bigdid

[setarip_old]

2gb is the max file size on Fat32This is incorrect. The maximum filesize limit of FAT32 is 4Gb...

Perhaps you're thinking of the 2Gb limit imposed by using ISO9660 format, either alone or combined with UDF 1.02 format (the combination that is typically used when creating DVDs).

[Anadw]

For whatever reason, the 2gb file size does turn out to be the problem.... No mention of this in any documentation. Thanks for the help.

[setarip_old]

Thanks for the help.Glad to hear you've resolved your dilemma ;>}

[BigDid]

For whatever reason, the 2gb file size does turn out to be the problem.... No mention of this in any documentation. Thanks for the help.
Hi,

This problem was covered a while ago when a lot of SAP could not break the 2Gb barrier.

Instead of re-encoding your sources you can split your more than 2Gb encodes with Vdubmod; how-to here:
http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/virtualdub_procedures.htm

Did