Blue-Ray to DVD-5 possible?

[Khauron]

Hey there,

Is it possible to convert Blue-Ray movie to DVD-5 with any program?
I mean like
1. copy the movie to hard disk using AnyDVD HD
2. convert the movie only -part using DVD-RB / BD-RB
3. burn the movie using DVD-RB / BD-RB or ImgBurn
4. the disc would be playable on stand-alone dvd-player

Thanks in advance,

[GaPony]

That's what BD-Rebuilder (Currently under beta in this forum) is all about.

[Sharc]

I guess he means DVD authoring, see his 4th step.

I do like this:
1. Create an index file from the movie m2ts with Donald Graft's (neuron2) tools
2. Extract/convert the audio to ac3 stream(s) with eac3to if necessary
3. Create an avs script for resizing the video to 720x576 (480)
4. Open the avs script in HCenc and encode the movie to an mpeg2 video stream
5. Mux and author to DVD format e.g. with DVDauthorGUI.

Reads probably more complicated than it is.
The DVD quality you get out of Blu- Ray is normally just excellent.

[GaPony]

For a Blu-Ray to DVD, I just...

Rip the movie to the hard drive with AnyDVD-HD

Use TSSplitter to join all the separate files (only if necessary),

Use TSMuxer to remove unwanted audio tracks,

Use VSO ConvertX to reduce the size and burn the DVD.



Using TSSplitter is usually not necessary for Movie Only copies.

No scripts to worry about and no resizing issues.

The downside is that VSO ConvertX isn't free, but the results are excellant.

[Sharc]

You may also want to try the free AVStoDVD:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1011140#post1011140

[MikeyBK]

You may also want to try the free AVStoDVD:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1011140#post1011140


You're link is screwed up...

[setarip_old]

@Khauron

Hi!

Click on the following link. The thread will provide you with more options than you can shake a stick at;>} :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1189321#post1189321

[LUCHOO]

I do like this:
1. Create an index file from the movie m2ts with Donald Graft's (neuron2) tools
2. Extract/convert the audio to ac3 stream(s) with eac3to if necessary
3. Create an avs script for resizing the video to 720x576 (480)
4. Open the avs script in HCenc and encode the movie to an mpeg2 video stream
5. Mux and author to DVD format e.g. with DVDauthorGUI.

Reads probably more complicated than it is.
The DVD quality you get out of Blu- Ray is normally just excellent.

This is also my method, very good..

[Sharc]

You're link is screwed up...
?? Works perfectly here. So once again:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1011140#post1011140

And here the download link to Sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/avstodvd/

Hope it helps.

[MikeyBK]

?? Works perfectly here. So once again:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1011140#post1011140

And here the download link to Sourceforge:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/avstodvd/

Hope it helps.

Thanks, all the links work fine now, must've been something strange on my ISP.

Interesting free app. Looks like a great free alternative. Just might take a bit longer than what GaPony mentioned.
I too use TSMuxer to output to a single movie m2ts, and then load that m2ts directly into VSO ConvertXtoDVD, and about an hour later I end up with a great quality DVD-5, in DVD format already, no additional authoring required.

But as mentioned already, ConvertXtoDVD is not free.... still though it's about the best in terms of speed and output quality, IMHO

[MrC]

But as mentioned already, ConvertXtoDVD is not free.... still though it's about the best in terms of speed and output quality, IMHO

Maybe in terms of speed... but visual quality... give a try to AVStoDVD.

;)

Bye

[MikeyBK]

Maybe in terms of speed... but visual quality... give a try to AVStoDVD.

;)

Bye

I'm sure that the quality would probably be better, considering it's using QuEnc or HCEnc, just wonder if the time difference is worth it...

In all honesty, I only just started AVStoDVD, and seeing that it would take 2 hours for just a single pass encoding, I aborted.
So I am currently doing a 2 pass encoding using HCenc, and it's going to be about 4 hours for the encode only... then I'm not sure how long to author it into DVD structure?

Using ConvertXtoDVD takes my system about an hour using the highest quality setting. I'll do this movie with it afterwards and compare the results with the AVStoDVD output...

[Sophocles]

That's a lot of methods. Although I do use other methods with BD RB I do it just like the OP stated, except that I convert it to an ISO first using ImgBurn to test it for flaws, but the rest is the same.

In fact I've been playing with Windows 7 installed on a system with a Q9550 overclocked to 3.71 GHz. I just finished 10,000 BC movie only to single layer in under 4 hours. The method I used not only succeeded but was just as it is written below except that I convert to ISO for testing first.

1. copy the movie to hard disk using AnyDVD HD
2. convert the movie only -part using DVD-RB / BD-RB
3. burn the movie using DVD-RB / BD-RB or ImgBurn
4. the disc would be playable on stand-alone dvd-player

[GaPony]

I've converted several Blu-Ray movies to DVD with ConvertX, and compared the results to the actual DVD.. and frankly the copy looks as good as the original, maybe better in some cases. For myself, I don't see any reason to spend more time than necessary. I really do have better things to do than spend several hours trying to convert a Blu-Ray into DVD format, especially when a faster way provides quite suitable results.

If I was trying to get a DVD converted into Blu-Ray quality, maybe it would be worth the effort.

[Sophocles]

I've converted several Blu-Ray movies to DVD with ConvertX, and compared the results to the actual DVD.. and frankly the copy looks as good as the original, maybe better in some cases.


I wasn't questioning other methods, and I agree with you. I was just reaffirming his basic steps.

I did however wonder if he'd phrased the last part of his question correctly. Did he mean playing it back in a standard MPEG2 Standalone DVD player or did he mean playing a BD movie recorded to a single layer in a standalone BD player as a BD movie?

[MikeyBK]

I just tried AVStoDVD for 4 hours and it basically froze during audio encoding... could not find path to ffmpeg... with no way to cancel or adjust the settings...
sorry, but this isn't for me. Perhaps some would like to squeeze a bit more PQ out of their Bluray to DVDs, but ConvertXtoDVD is light years faster and as already pointed out, equivalent to a standard commercial DVDs... so I'll be sticking with ConvertXtoDVD.

I can understand spending that amount of time to keep it in BD quality using BD-RB with x264, but not worth that amount of time to convert a Bluray to DVD....IMHO

BTW... for anyone who might be interested in the free trial of ConvertXtoDVD, they do have a trial version which emblazens their logo watermark onto the video, but you'd atleast see how the quality and speed is...

I can also extend to you a 40% off link from where I bought ConvertXtoDVD from... it's the same site which handles all purchases from VSO ... I got mine for $29.99
http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=B9KHJTgY5Sb7BFYOSsAOjxpmWCvPe_oIB19eN_AjC65SRBqCNBggAEAEYASDHmPgFMAE4AFDz3fHb_v____8BYMm2z4fko6QXyAEB2QMCJwfRREmrXuADCA&sig=AGiWqtwBKUUMIdMWF7YC32tYPCpP7oCY6g&q=http://www.regnow.com/softsell/nph-softsell.cgi%3Fitem%3D7553-6%26affiliate%3D91887%26ss_coupon%3DAPP-CM2M-URL%26ss_cart_reset%3Dtrue

[Sophocles]

MikeyBK

I've been using ConvertX since it was first released and it's great for a quick and dirty job, but I prefer to backup to X.264. For me time isn't an issue since I have 5 rigs of which three are dual core and two are quad core. Time is only an issue when it interferes with other uses for ones PC. No matter how good your BD to MPEG2 quality is with ConvertX, it won't rise to the quality of a BD backup even done to single layer.

[GaPony]

MikeyBK

I've been using ConvertX since it was first released and it's great for a quick and dirty job, but I prefer to backup to X.264. For me time isn't an issue since I have 5 rigs of which three are dual core and two are quad core. Time is only an issue when it interferes with other uses for ones PC. No matter how good your BD to MPEG2 quality is with ConvertX, it won't rise to the quality of a BD backup even done to single layer.

5 rigs and plenty of time... How's life in your mom's basement? Do you have windows? Do you miss people? :D j/k

I don't think its ever been argued that even the best DVD quality will measure up to a BD quality copy, even one on BD5. Unfortunately, the BD copy won't play on a standard DVD player.

I think the whole point was to make a DVD (.VOB/.IFO) structured disc from an original Blu-Ray source, to be played on a standard, standalone DVD player.

Of course, I could be misunderstanding the original post. I did it before, I could be doing it again. ;)

[MikeyBK]

MikeyBK

I've been using ConvertX since it was first released and it's great for a quick and dirty job, but I prefer to backup to X.264. For me time isn't an issue since I have 5 rigs of which three are dual core and two are quad core. Time is only an issue when it interferes with other uses for ones PC. No matter how good your BD to MPEG2 quality is with ConvertX, it won't rise to the quality of a BD backup even done to single layer.

We're not talking about using BD-RB with x264 and keeping it in BD structure. We're talking about encoding it down to an mpeg2 stream in DVD structure.

I have several PCs as well, but still don't see any upside to spending 4+ hours to convert my Blurays to DVD format (VOBs, IFOs, BUPs).... If I truly want to watch that movie in HiDef, I'd be watching the original Bluray or my BD-9s at minimum... why spend that amount of time so we can watch it on a DVD player??

The only reason that I am even converting many of my Blurays to DVD format, is so that my kids and grandkids can watch it on a regular TV.... or maybe on a 720p HDTV.

Are you saying that you use x264 to convert your Blurays into mpeg2??? :p

EDIT: from the original poster...
4. the disc would be playable on stand-alone dvd-player

[Sophocles]

We're not talking about using BD-RB with x264 and keeping it in BD structure. We're talking about encoding it down to an mpeg2 stream in DVD structure.

You're not but then you didn't start the thread.


If you read back you will see that I got that, but you will also note that I wasn't certain that was the OP's point. I believe I made that clear too. So when you're saying "we're not certain as of yet" can you include the person that started the thread with that statement. It might be true but I have reason to doubt it.

I have several PCs as well, but still don't see any upside to spending 4+ hours to convert my Blurays to DVD format (VOBs, IFOs, BUPs).

Let me know when you get a fast one. You can't make a race horse out of donkey.:rolleyes: I doubt that you're getting anything done in four hours.

I don't see any downside to BD reencoding since it doesn't interfere with my PC use. If I can take a rig that I'm not using and reencode, especially when I'm sleeping, then I'm going for maximum quality.

The only reason that I am even converting many of my Blurays to DVD format, is so that my kids and grandkids can watch it on a regular TV.... or maybe on a 720p HDTV.

When I do that I compress them to a hard drive on an HTPC and stream them to anywhere in the house. I still have a large DVD collection but since I can pick them up used for $3 to $4 each backing them up seems a wasted effort because there is no economical loss if one gets damaged. I'll just get another.


Are you saying that you use x264 to convert your Blurays into mpeg2???

Don't be silly!:D

No, what I'm saying is that I believe that there's a good chance that the OP meant BD to a single layer and not MPEG2.
Originally Posted by Khauron View Post
4. the disc would be playable on stand-alone dvd-player

Yes, but many people refer to a BD player as a DVD player and considering the forum that he posted in assuming otherwise makes sense.

[GaPony]

I guess we'll have to wait for the original poster to clarify their intent... otherwise all these really good arguments are rendered moot.

[MikeyBK]

You're not but then you didn't start the thread.


If you read back you will see that I got that, but you will also note that I wasn't certain that was the OP's point. I believe I made that clear too. So when you're saying "we're not certain as of yet" can you include the person that started the thread with that statement. It might be true but I have reason to doubt it.



Let me know when you get a fast one. You can't make a race horse out of donkey.:rolleyes: I doubt that you're getting anything done in four hours.

I don't see any downside to BD reencoding since it doesn't interfere with my PC use. If I can take a rig that I'm not using and reencode, especially when I'm sleeping, then I'm going for maximum quality.



When I do that I compress them to a hard drive on an HTPC and stream them to anywhere in the house. I still have a large DVD collection but since I can pick them up used for $3 to $4 each backing them up seems a wasted effort because there is no economical loss if one gets damaged. I'll just get another.




Don't be silly!:D

No, what I'm saying is that I believe that there's a good chance that the OP meant BD to a single layer and not MPEG2.


Yes, but many people refer to a BD player as a DVD player and considering the forum that he posted in assuming otherwise makes sense.

Oh come on now.... who's really being silly here...:rolleyes::p

I'm just trying to state what's best for me, not who's got their rig running more efficient, and certainly not getting confused by someone stating they'd like to back-up a Bluray to DVD-5, and watch that on a 'DVD' player... come on, how many people do you know that calls their Bluray player a DVD player...lmao...:p

As for x264 to mpeg2 comment... sorry if you can't interpret a joke when you see one...:D

As for my 'donkey'...lol:cool: I'd stack it up against any of your Dual Cores, and probably would give your Quad Cores a good scare as well...
Screenshot below of my main rig OC'ed to give me more than I really need, even while encoding with x264 thru BD-RB...

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/139/34ghzoced.th.png (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=34ghzoced.png)

But it's all good Bro... as long as we're content with our own individual methods, that's all that matters. :)

[MikeyBK]

a system with a Q9550 overclocked to 3.71 GHz.

Just seen this, didn't remember as it being you... OK, maybe MY E6600 can't really scare that one...lmao:p

However, all I really would need to do is to get a Q9650 and OC that to blow yours' out of the water...lol :D:sly:

[gizzin]

AvstoDVD is way better quality than convertx. AvstoDVD uses HC and Aften. HC is a highly efficient mpeg2 encoder. Aften being a high quality ac3 encoder. And you gotta understand convertx is using ffmpeg for both audio/video encoding and its 1pass (ffmpeg=bad quality). Obviously a 2pass will take twice amount of the time but thats price you pay for quality (2pass is always better quality than 1pass at a given bitrate). Convertx is just a little more easier to use and supports alot of formats, and has internal decoders. I look at it like this convertx will cost you moneys, and AvsToDVD is free and has better quality output (alot better). Even HC's 1pass method is better than convertx and comparable to convertx in terms of speed. Obviously mikeyb doesn't give a [bad language removed] about quality since he's using convertx. How's your 14" tv from the 80's? lol :) It takes about 15min to author the dvd.

[MikeyBK]

AvstoDVD is way better quality than convertx. AvstoDVD uses HC and Aften. HC is a highly efficient mpeg2 encoder. Aften being a high quality ac3 encoder. And you gotta understand convertx is using ffmpeg for both audio/video encoding and its 1pass (ffmpeg=bad quality). Obviously a 2pass will take twice amount of the time but thats price you pay for quality (2pass is always better quality than 1pass at a given bitrate). Convertx is just a little more easier to use and supports alot of formats, and has internal decoders. I look at it like this convertx will cost you moneys, and AvsToDVD is free and has better quality output (alot better). Even HC's 1pass method is better than convertx and comparable to convertx in terms of speed. Obviously mikeyb doesn't give a shit about quality since he's using convertx. How's your 14" tv from the 80's? lol :) It takes about 15min to author the dvd.

First of all, lighten up dude... no need to be trying to squeeze that bebe outta your [bad language removed] ...lol :rolleyes::p

HCEnc is indeed superb, not in any way disputing that. Used it and loved it with DVD-Rebuilder. However, there's still no way that it would take most peoples' system the same amount of time as they would with ConvertX, even with a single pass encoding. And then having to reauthor it into DVD structure on top of that??

Anyways, I chose to convert my Blurays into DVDs so that I wouldn't need to just waste money idiotically and buy a DVD version of the same movie for others... friends and family who might want to borrow the movie but doesn't have a Bluray player, or might damage my BD-9, BD-25, or God forbid, my original Bluray Disc:eek::cool:.
And considering that ConvertX, set to highest quality output, is giving me the same quality, or better, than a DVD-5 back-up of a commercial DVD... and most times the same quality as the original DVD version of the movie.... why is it mandatory for me to run this thru a 5 hour encoding and authoring??

Bluray to BD-9, yeah OK... I say it's worth the 6-8 hours with BD-RB and x264, to keep it at the HiDef quality that we expect from Blurays. But now you say I 'must' take another 4+ hours to ensure my DVD format back-up looks better than the commercial DVD of that movie??

Like I said, it's all good.... if you guys don't mind the time and effort to create that stellar DVD back-up... good for you, more power to you... but I personally don't care to do that since ConvertX is giving me superb results. 1 hour... done... that's for me... didn't say you had to.

[Sophocles]

Just seen this, didn't remember as it being you... OK, maybe MY E6600 can't really scare that one...lmao

That's OK we often miss things.

However, all I really would need to do is to get a Q9650 and OC that to blow yours' out of the water...lol

Too late, I also have a Q9650@4GHz cooled by water so you might say that it is already in water. LOL

If you would like to see bench marks I have those. The Q9550 is used for no other purpose than BD reencoding. The Q9650 rig is my main rig that is used for encoding when I'm not using it.




My other rig are E6600@3.2 Ghz, E6700@3.4 GHz, and an E8400@3.8GHz.

[MikeyBK]

That's OK we often miss things.



Too late, I also have a Q9650@4GHz cooled by water so you might say that it is already in water. LOL

If you would like to see bench marks I have those. The Q9550 is used for no other purpose than BD reencoding. The Q9650 rig is my main rig that is used for encoding when I'm not using it.




My other rig are E6600@3.2 Ghz, E6700@3.4 GHz, and an E8400@3.8GHz.

OK... I'll give you that, impressive arsenal...:D;)

However, I personally still wouldn't want to put in that much effort to make a DVD back-up of a 'Bluray'..... I really can't justify to myself why I'd really want to put in that much effort to convert it into DVD format when I have the original Bluray disc and a BD back-up as well??

It's all good though, we all have differing needs, wants, and pleasures..lol

Hey BTW, you can crank that E6600 just A Bit more...:p

[blutach]

@gizzin and MikeyBK

I have warned you before about sparring and staying on topic. This is not a contest about whose rig/software is biggest and best. What you do or don't do in respect of your backups is your business. Don't force it down others' throats. Observe rule 12 in this regard please.

As well and importantly, both of you, watch your language. Last warning to you both or there will be strikes.

Regards

[gizzin]

@gizzin and MikeyBK

I have warned you before about sparring and staying on topic. This is not a contest about whose rig/software is biggest and best. What you do or don't do in respect of your backups is your business. Don't force it down others' throats. Observe rule 12 in this regard please.

As well and importantly, both of you, watch your language. Last warning to you both or there will be strikes.

Regards


I apologize for the language, I think I was staying on topic no? And I didn't force anything down anyone's throat, I just gave a opinion. And that stuff at the end was a joke, no harm intended.

[MikeyBK]

I apologize for the language, I think I was staying on topic no? And I didn't force anything down anyone's throat, I just gave a opinion. And that stuff at the end was a joke, no harm intended.

It's all cool Bro...

Seems we're all happy with our own ways of producing the DVD-5s to suit our own individual needs....

[Surf]

Thanks for a good laff on pee-pee competition :D

SHARC:
I guess he means DVD authoring, see his 4th step.

I do like this:
1. Create an index file from the movie m2ts with Donald Graft's (neuron2) tools
2. Extract/convert the audio to ac3 stream(s) with eac3to if necessary
3. Create an avs script for resizing the video to 720x576 (480)
4. Open the avs script in HCenc and encode the movie to an mpeg2 video stream
5. Mux and author to DVD format e.g. with DVDauthorGUI.

Can anyone elaborate a little more on the above for a noobie like me?

1. use Neuron2's DGAVCDec? What other toolS (from him)?
2. convert the hi-bit audio to a dvd standard of dd 5.1?
3. Lanzco4resize 720x576(480)?

I just spent the better part of today fooling around with my 1st backup using AVS2DVD...

Aften choked on converting 640kp 6-ch AC3....Muxman complained about couple of GOPs closed or something something. A 1hr50 Kill Bill came to around 6500mb. Aimed for 8000mb(dual-layer) even though 9000bit was chosen. Any pointers from a successful user (of avs2dvd)?

TIA

[GaPony]

This is why I went the easy route with VSO's ConvertXtoDVD... :)

[CracuS]

I just did backup of “The Day After Tomorrow” movie only and encoded with BD-Rebuilder latest beta release source target 24.3 GB target size DVD5 set to best quality.
It took 17 hrs to re encode, then I used ImgBurn UDF-2.5 to burn on to DVD+RW and it plays on stand alone Panasonic player on 57 inch Panasonic LCD, and results are great.
You can’t distinguish the difference comparing to original DVD.
BD-rebuilder is still in beta stage and probably will be for a wile longer, but already does excellent job even thou there is still a lot that needs to be done and I can see that the guys are working on that very hard, and if you have ever used DVD-Rebuilder before you will know that there is no other program that You can compare, and at the end when the final BD-rebuilder is released, you will be amazed to see what this program can do, and Im sure once you try, you will not look at anything else.