What's a good way to back up tv show discs ??

[gn2]

I've got a couple of tv shows on BD I'd like to back up to DVD9, but I can't think of a good way to do it ?

I have a PS3, so I can't just do a full disc backup using BD RB, I've tried it and they don't work as full discs, and navigating to the folders is cumbersome and impossible to tell which episodes should be played in what order.

Un-intuitively, the episodes order does NOT correspond to the .m2ts file numbers on the original BD, thus the reduced ones aren't in the right order either....

I've been trying to think of a way to get this done, but I'm at a loss so anyone who's tried this and had success, I'd love to hear your suggestions. Thanks.

[GaPony]

Even if you can get these discs onto a Full Backup to BD9 (DL DVD), the PS3 won't play them. It sees all full backups to BD9/BD5 as data discs. The PS3 only supports Movie Only (AVCHD) copies, which I don't think will help much for your episodic discs.

[jdobbs]

If they're one hour shows, I find it easy to do Movie-Only backups and put one show per BD-5. When doing this you can also use the "fastest" setting in BD-RB and get high quality. At some point I will put an option in BD-RB to put multiple shows together into a single Movie-Only BD (with chapter marks the beginning of each show).

[gn2]

If they're one hour shows, I find it easy to do Movie-Only backups and put one show per BD-5. When doing this you can also use the "fastest" setting in BD-RB and get high quality. At some point I will put an option in BD-RB to put multiple shows together into a single Movie-Only BD (with chapter marks the beginning of each show).

So how do I do that exactly ?

My use of BD RB, I haven't seen that one has the ability nor the option of choosing which files get made into a "movie only" disc, the program simply chooses the most likely file.

The tv show disc I want to back up has four main files representing four episodes. Won't BD RB choose the largest one every time ?

[GaPony]

If its an episodic BD you'll probably have several m2ts files of about the same size (in your case 4 of them). You could use the Movie Only Alternate file selection for each one...

[deank]

Even if you can get these discs onto a Full Backup to BD9 (DL DVD), the PS3 won't play them. It sees all full backups to BD9/BD5 as data discs. The PS3 only supports Movie Only (AVCHD) copies, which I don't think will help much for your episodic discs.

What do you mean by "movie only avchd copies"?

[jdobbs]

So how do I do that exactly ?

My use of BD RB, I haven't seen that one has the ability nor the option of choosing which files get made into a "movie only" disc, the program simply chooses the most likely file.

The tv show disc I want to back up has four main files representing four episodes. Won't BD RB choose the largest one every time ? As GaPony mentioned -- you can change that choice via "MODE/Alternate Movie-Only Playlist".

[gn2]

Ok, I tried the recommended method and I got an error message after HOURS of re-encoding telling me the target size was going to be exceeded. I clicked the box to let it continue, since I could just put it on a DVD9 instead of a DVD5, but then I got a second error:
"BD Rebuilder experienced an error 8 [08:31:27]DoEncoding() 00009 8


The first error, which I can't recall the exact wording of, left a notation in the log of "Audio/PGS sizing issue. Continuted..."

And upon attempting to "Abort" it appears BD Rebuilder is frozen and un-responsive...it acknowledges the request to Abort, but does not do so...

[GaPony]

Ok, I tried the recommended method and I got an error message after HOURS of re-encoding telling me the target size was going to be exceeded. I clicked the box to let it continue, since I could just put it on a DVD9 instead of a DVD5, but then I got a second error:
"BD Rebuilder experienced an error 8 [08:31:27]DoEncoding() 00009 8


The first error, which I can't recall the exact wording of, left a notation in the log of "Audio/PGS sizing issue. Continuted..."

And upon attempting to "Abort" it appears BD Rebuilder is frozen and un-responsive...it acknowledges the request to Abort, but does not do so...

What version are you using? What movie?

That's the downside of using beta software. Errors always pop up at the worst possible time. Every copy we atempt to make is nothing more than testing the software, and bugs/errors are to be expected.

[gn2]

I'm using the newest version(19.06), freshly downloaded. It has worked fine the other time I used it, and in fact, succeeded in making a correctly sized full disc backup of the same original where a previous version could not conform to the size target(but completed normally, none the less).
The disc I'm trying to back up is Life on Mars Disc 1. It is in .iso format on my hard drive.
I realize errors are to be expected, of course, but I'd assumed since the author recommended the course of action I took that it had already been tested and known to function. I'm not trying to complain or anything, just looking for a solution to my desired course of action. It is likely a desire more people will have as more tv shows are released on BD. I'd *hope* the last season of Mad Men turns up soon on BD for me to convert too...

[GaPony]

Unfortunately, I don't have that movie to try out...

You might try extracting the ISO to your hard drive instead of mounting it to a virtual drive... just a thought.

[gn2]

Unfortunately, I don't have that movie to try out...

You might try extracting the ISO to your hard drive instead of mounting it to a virtual drive... just a thought.

What difference would that make ?
I tried the processing of a single episode again using Movie only method, but this time simply allowed BD Rebuilder to choose the file it wanted. It failed again with the error: "Audio and/or PGS size too large. Probable oversize. Continue ?"
This is the same initial error as when I chose the "alternate" file previously...

[jdobbs]

If you are getting the audio message then the audio is too big to fit on your output target size. Unless there is an error in my calcs, there's not a lot I can do about that.

Are you using the audio that is demuxed by BD-RB or are you "manipulating" it?
How big does BD-RB say the source is (in time)?
...an error message after HOURS of re-encoding telling me...
...but I'd assumed since the author recommended the course of action I took that it had already been tested and known to function...
What difference would that make?This is beta software that is here for testing, it is free, and when people try to help you -- you answer with inappropriate comments.

I think an attitude adjustment might be in order. As far as I'm concerned, unless you change your tone from here on in you're on your own.

[gn2]

I am not manipulating anything sound wise, I did not check any boxes to keep anything unprocessed. As far as I know, BD RB is using the audio that it demuxed. The original file is an hour and one minute long according to BD RB and is about 10GB in size.
Also, it was not my intention to show any "attitude" in my posts, I had thought I was simply asking questions.

For instance, I actually want to know what difference does it make to use the file taken from the .iso and put on to the hard drive or using the mounted .iso itself ?

I was under the impression that the program was designed to only work from a disc or a disc image mounted to behave just like the disc. I didn't even know it could access the BD files bare on a hard drive just as files...

I don't know how making an assumption is showing "attitude" ?

The method you suggested to me to use BD RB on a tv show disc, led me to assume it was something you had actually done yourself with success. That is my mistake, I shouldn't have assumed that. I didn't realize you would be offended by me assuming you had done this. I'm still not sure why this offends you, but since it does, I will simply attempt to not make any more assumptions.

I think your program is great, I don't mind the errors, and I hope my plodding attempts can help you to make your program the best it can be. The only reason I capitalized HOURS is that I had already attempted to process this particular BD several times, and previous failures had occurred at the very end. The capitalization was only an expression of a bit of personal frustration, nothing more was intended.

I do expect surprises with beta software, of course. I only wish I knew more about computers and programs and such in general so I could be MORE helpful and less burdensome. There's a reason I only have 9 posts(despite coming here for years before even registering), most of the technical aspects of the stuff posted here is wayyyy beyond my understanding. I'm a point and clicker, just the kind of user who will end up coveting your program when its done...

And if you don't want me to post, just say so, I'll refrain and muddle my way along alone.:)

And I didn't put this in the bug report thread because it seemed to me to be less of a "bug" than a different way of using the program and I didn't want to distract from the focus of that thread.

[GaPony]

The reason that I recommended trying to rip the movie to the HDD with AnyDVD-HD, then using that movie folder as the source... is that sometimes virtual drives get "Confused" when accessing the files as data... which is how BD-Rebuilder and its underlying utilities see the movie. It doesn't have to be mounted or from the disc..

Maybe it will help and maybe it won't, but it doesn't cost anything to try. Beyond that, double check all your settings in FFDshow and make sure you have the recommended versions of all the required software installed.

[DVD Maniac]

If they're one hour shows, I find it easy to do Movie-Only backups and put one show per BD-5. When doing this you can also use the "fastest" setting in BD-RB and get high quality. At some point I will put an option in BD-RB to put multiple shows together into a single Movie-Only BD (with chapter marks the beginning of each show).

I have done this with a few shows and it works fine. I'm not too stressed about having menus for these as they are not necessary and I rarely do chapter jumping. BUT, for movies I do like to keep menus mainly for the easier chapter marking. I see now we have the original chapter points working which is great but before I really start commiting backups to disc I would prefer the "remove extras option" so I know I have got what I want on the disc. Is this still a long way off? Happy to keep contributing to the beta testing in the meantime!

[jdobbs]

The method you suggested to me to use BD RB on a tv show disc, led me to assume it was something you had actually done yourself with success. That is my mistake, I shouldn't have assumed that. It is something I have done hundreds of times in testing on multiple sources... with no issues.

[GaPony]

Of course it should be noted that jdobbs has a magic BD player... :D

[jdobbs]

But then his problem wasn't related to playback -- it was in the encoding. I do, though, seem to have totally at random selected the most BD-5/9/25 compatible player you can get.

As they say - I'd rather be "lucky" than "good".