BD9 Full backups....We need these features.

[Furiousflea]

Apologies for this feature request as such, but I feel these options are long overdue for people backing up to BD9 and have done some tests myself with these options manually. My interpretation is that people generally don't care too much for extras but it's nice to have them there even if the quality is only at DVD level or slightly below. If the main feature doesn't have to be sacrficed. Same goes for audio commentries. 96kbs is more than enough for a 2 channel audio commentry. Heck I'd even add downmixing to mono at 64kbs for people who need to squeeze that last few kb for the main feature.

1. 480p resize - for extras only.

2. Option to downmix stereo to mono at DD 64kbs, suitable for commentry tracks.

3. Option to encode 2 channel audio at DD 96kbs

4. Option to downmix 5.1 to 2 channel dolby surround at DD96kbs\128kbs

5. Option to encode DD 5.1 at 224k\384k for extras

6. Option to treat extras as an entirely seperate entity from main feature - in terms of options


These options would be easy to implement and I can't see these kinds of options bringing in any additional possible bugs into the loop. But would allow many discs to be backed up full at BD9 size.

The majority of Blurays these days seem to be hitting 40GB, with these options a BD9 backup is viable most of the time in full disc mode.

Thanks for reading my suggestions :p

[GaPony]

Long overdue? The first beta was only released a month ago. :D

I see what you mean though... ;)

[Furiousflea]

Long overdue? The first beta was only released a month ago. :D

I see what you mean though... ;)

lol, well yeah I see what you mean too ;)

I don't mean to hound and its just a suggestion from trying to shrink streams down to size and wouldn't take much work at all to implement any of those things. Except possibly the 480p for extras only when keeping subs, but I think jdobbs has sorted resizing of subs already so even that should be "easy".

Sorry I just didn't wanna clutter the bug thread...thought I'd "bug" jdobbs here :)

[laserfan]

...its just a suggestion ...and wouldn't take much work at all to implement any of those things.LOL indeed! :p

[GaPony]

I always enjoy hearing the line the "It wouldn't take much more work at all, to do this or that"... when its somebody else going to be doing the work. LOL

I'm not hammering you, I see the humor.... I get it all the time from my customers. :D I smile as I whip out my invoice pad. :p

[writersblock29]

I don't mean to speak for Jdobbs, but I remember him posting that he'd planned to have a feature set very similiar to DVD Rebuilder for BD Rebuilder once all is said and done.

Following the bug thread, it would seem he was very wise to place a bare-bones beta on here to start with; he's building a new program, so he has to make sure the foundation's sound before worrying about what storm windows to use. ;)

[Furiousflea]

I always enjoy hearing the line the "It wouldn't take much more work at all, to do this or that"... when its somebody else going to be doing the work. LOL

I'm not hammering you, I see the humor.... I get it all the time from my customers. :D I smile as I whip out my invoice pad. :p

lol well I did mean it when I said that. Those features are all standard stuff that eac3to can do with no problem at all apart from the resizing down to 480p and jdobbs already has an option for 720p.

It is easier than easy, adding those options wouldn't take more than half an hour for anyone who had the source. I'd pull out my invoice book too...But only because the customer didn't know how little work went into what I did for them :p (I'm only speaking of these options here, not of the program - far from it in that respect).

Changing a few bitrate switches\adding a few more options to commands that are sent to outside programs already? Come on now, that does not take much time at all. Certainly doesn't introduce moe potential bugs. Besides it's just a suggestion as I'm not sure jdobbs is aware of whats needed, maybe he isn't concerned with BD9 backups these days. But the *majority* of people are. If he wants to satisfy the masses (and me) then add these features!

If not, fair play. :) Just suggestions that would make BD9 childsplay for virtually any source.

[Furiousflea]

LOL indeed! :p

Really?

I see those options more as design choices rather than adding to work. He already has those options just set at different levels.

192kbs on 2 channel audio for extras. Things like that are just too high. You're not going to achieve a transparent backup in any case if you do a full disc so might as well make the compromises where they need to be made is all I'm saying. (as an example).

Sorry if it sounds a cheek.

[MikeyBK]

If he wants to satisfy the masses (and me) then add these features!



A very important point that JD has brought up on several occasions, as he did so again with me when I mentioned this...;)
Just thought I'd share snce he does have a very valid point.:)

@ JD...
I'm curious about retaining TrueHD now that TSMuxer has an updated exe that can keep the trueHD audio for those that might be using BD-RBuilder to BD-25.... I sure wouldn't mind that option when I decide to reencode one to a BD-25 myself...

I tested it and it did just fine.

ftp://213.221.6.90/tsMuxer/

It isn't that it is hard to do... it's that I'm trying to limit the variability while getting rid of the major bugs... Every time you add one more layer of variability you have exponentially increased the difficulty of debugging. Bottom line: if someone starts throwing more complexity into the mix -- I'm going to have to not respond to their bug reports. Otherwise I will never get past early beta testing.

[tyau]

Is there plan to make BR-RB a proprietory software, aka a program that requies the purchase of license?

It isn't that it is hard to do... it's that I'm trying to limit the variability while getting rid of the major bugs... Every time you add one more layer of variability you have exponentially increased the difficulty of debugging. Bottom line: if someone starts throwing more complexity into the mix -- I'm going to have to not respond to their bug reports. Otherwise I will never get past early beta testing.

That is a very good point. Personally, I haven't had much luck doing full-disc backup of blu-ray discs using BR-RB. The only chance I ever had success is using TsMuxer to strip the movie before I am able to use BR-RB to compress the movie to to a BD-5 or a BD-9. That just proves that adding too much variability to a program could hinder diagnosing for bugs. At this point, I think it is best to make the core function of BR-RB as stable as possible before adding more features. Though, in the future I would appreciate more features to be added to BR-RB.

[Furiousflea]

A very important point that JD has brought up on several occasions, as he did so again with me when I mentioned this...;)
Just thought I'd share snce he does have a very valid point.:)

:) fair enough, like I said just suggestions ;)

[gizzin]

I'm sorry to say but most of your request are kinda pointless.

[laserfan]

I don't mean to speak for Jdobbs, but I remember him posting that he'd planned to have a feature set very similiar to DVD Rebuilder for BD Rebuilder once all is said and done.I agree that it's likely jdobbs will migrate BD-RB in that direction (which btw has taken years to refine to the extensive features it now has).

Changing a few bitrate switches\adding a few more options to commands that are sent to outside programs already? Come on now, that does not take much time at all.Come on now, you have no idea what it takes for jdobbs to integrate the features you've requested into his program, particularly from a UI pov.

He will get there, but it will take time, perhaps a *long* time as he does this mostly for fun (though I'll bet it's not much fun ATM taking all these hits from beta users)!!!

[GaPony]

I'm sure his methodical approach to developing BD-RB will yield an excellant product. Getting one thing right before moving to the next keeps his bug extermination to a more manageable level. In the meantime, if the users wants to run any or each of the components, on their own, with additional parameters, I'm sure they could do so. Afterall, BD-Rebuilder is mostly a frontend for existing utilities, which is both its strength and its weakness... It saves alot of redundancy in effort, but it also forces him to work with the quirks of individual components. The lack of true standardization in standalone players isn't making his job any easier. Its a much different animal than DVD.

I'm confident that at some point in development he will be able to start adding features and options in rapid succession.

[DaMacFunkin]

Is it really worth getting all worked up about BD-9 back up, not a lot of players support it, and the falling price of BD-25 media means it is definatly the way to go, i'm currently paying about £2.50 a disk for 4x printables, and i bet by the end of the year it will be half that. :eek:

[Furiousflea]

Yeah you guys are prolly right, shouldn't really have made the thread. Not really appropriate now to be asking for features :) I'm just so chuffed with the program I guess. But anyway, no harm intended.

[GaPony]

Like my daddy used to say... It never hurts to ask...it only hurts to hear NO! :D:D

[Furiousflea]

Like my daddy used to say... It never hurts to ask...it only hurts to hear NO! :D:D

lol

good one I'll have to remember that when the time comes.

Poor me :p

[jdobbs]

Changing a few bitrate switches\adding a few more options to commands that are sent to outside programs already? Come on now, that does not take much time at all.Well, yeah... if all I was doing was reencoding an M2TS, maybe. But I also have to rebuild the disc. What about all those references in the other BD files? How about the fact that the timing has changed completely? How about the packet references and the PTS times that have changed from the original? Did you know that any of a group of MPLS files have to be updated when you change (for example) encoding parameters? There aren't any "outside programs" that rebuild all of that and bring back the original functionality -- what do you think BD-RB does, just call other programs? Encoding and muxing, yes. But if that were all there were to it, BD-RB wouldn't be the only one doing full disc backups...

I agree that BD-RB needs those other programs -- but let's not marginalize what it does independently.

Not that I'm bitching... but if this were easy somebody else would have already done it by now. ;)

[deank]

I was kind of waiting for such a reply :)

[DVD Maniac]

Well, yeah... if all I was doing was reencoding an M2TS, maybe. But I also have to rebuild the disc. What about all those references in the other BD files? How about the fact that the timing has changed completely? How about the packet references and the PTS times that have changed from the original? Did you know that any of a group of MPLS files have to be updated when you change (for example) encoding parameters? There aren't any "outside programs" that rebuild all of that and bring back the original functionality -- what do you think BD-RB does, just call other programs? Encoding and muxing, yes. But if that were all there were to it, BD-RB wouldn't be the only one doing full disc backups...

I agree that BD-RB needs those other programs -- but let's not marginalize what it does independently.

Not that I'm bitching... but if this were easy somebody else would have already done it by now. ;)

Oh come of it jdobbs! Pull the proverbial out and get cracking!

MORE FEATURES! FASTER! MAKE IT WORK FLAWLESSLEY! MAKE IT SO I CAN USE MY MOBILE PHONE AS AN ENCODER! MAKE IT SO I CAN GET IT ON A SINGLE CD-R! MAKE IT UPGRADE MY CPU TO A QUAD CORE VIRTUALLY!

MORE, MORE! ..................MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/billy-connolly-womens-demands/

Are we all secret female activists here! :p

[Furiousflea]

Oh come of it jdobbs! Pull the proverbial out and get cracking!

MORE FEATURES! FASTER! MAKE IT WORK FLAWLESSLEY! MAKE IT SO I CAN USE MY MOBILE PHONE AS AN ENCODER! MAKE IT SO I CAN GET IT ON A SINGLE CD-R! MAKE IT UPGRADE MY CPU TO A QUAD CORE VIRTUALLY!

MORE, MORE! ..................MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/billy-connolly-womens-demands/

Are we all secret female activists here! :p

That's the spirit :p I do hope internet sarcasm is working correctly today.

[jdobbs]

oh come of it jdobbs! Pull the proverbial out and get cracking!

More features! Faster! Make it work flawlessley! Make it so i can use my mobile phone as an encoder! Make it so i can get it on a single cd-r! Make it upgrade my cpu to a quad core virtually!

More, more! ..................more!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/billy-connolly-womens-demands/

are we all secret female activists here! :p:) lmao.