List of BD-Rebuilder Compatible Players (BD5\BD9 output)

[Furiousflea]

I have not included BD25 support in this post because it appears that the majority of players will play a BD-R fully with menus etc without any problems.
If you have a player that won't - Please post the details.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

This is a thread to help people with playback of BD-Rebuilder output.
There is dispute over whether BD-Rebuilder output is "true" BD-ROM structure

If you have personally verified a player to work, then please post the details being as specific as possible...


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Fully Disc


Denon BD-3800
Samsung BD-P1500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung BD-P2500 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550*



Movie Only


Insignia N5-BRDVD\2BRDVD
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Magnavox NB500MG9
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic BD10\BD30\BD35\BD50\BD55 (If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu)
Philips BDP 7200
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BD-P1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)
Samsung BD-P1400
Samsung BD-P1600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BD-P2550
Samsung BD-P3600 (must not use DVD-ROM booktype, delete AUXDAYA directory)
Sony BDP-BX1
Sony PS3 (All versions)
Tvix HD-6500A (Needs firmware change\will play menus that aren't Java\do thread search for more info)






Not Compatible


Samsung BD-P1000
Sharp BD-HP20U
Sharp BD-HP21U




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*Rumours of titles from Universal Studios having issues on these players.
However GaPony who owns an BDP-S550 has reported no problems at all, and has done a good dozen of these allegedly problematic discs...
*Update : I'm thinking this is related to complex BD-J menus and that something is not being updated corectly during the Rebuilld phase of BD-Rebuilder but this is a guess at the moment.
*Update 2 : Seems to be more and more discs with PIP tracks are showing problems.
It would appear that Universal has the majority of its discs released with these tracks since they are often straight ports from the HD DVD version when it was a sole supporter of the format
(PIP playback was mandatory on all HD DVD players and not on Bluray which explains this).

more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated

[jwgallardo]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

[drmih]

Do we need some clarification as clearly the PS3 doesn't support bd-9 except in Data mode or if the disc is AVCHD (which isn't bd-9).

However, I can confirm that the Sony BDP-S550 is also compatible.

[mochevolete]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

[turbojet]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

[Furiousflea]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

[Furiousflea]

Is this full backups or movie only?

If it's movie only I've only seen reports of one player (Sharp BD-HP20U) not working with RipBot264 output which should be comparable to BD-RB's output except different max bitrates and bpyramid.

If it's full backup all I've seen reported fully working on every menu type (no menu/HDMV/BD-J) on a DVD5\9 is the Sony BDP-S300/350/500/550 but hopefully there's more out there.

Thank you for your post.

I have read mixed reports on those players, with only jdobbs being 100% certain his player supports everything.

With this thread I'm hoping for people who have successfully played full backups will post and hopefully we can find another decent player.

Will update the OP

Cheers, Rob

[Furiousflea]

@Furiousflea, would be a nice thing if you, the Thread opener, would update the first post with the info given by others :)

Absolutely :) will do

[drmih]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

[Furiousflea]

As I stated earlier, the Sony S550 is fully compatible, not just movie only.

Sorry missed that bit, updated now :)

[jwgallardo]

Could you check this again please. The PS3 has been confirmed to not play either BD5 or BD9.

We are not talking about "AVCHD" here. Which most players can play on any media.

I'll check with PS3 when my sister come back from a trip where she bring the PS3.

Regarding Denon BD-3800, I confirm working perfect with BD9 and BD5 in Full Movie mode. I'm pretty sure also works for Movie Only as it worked with BD-RB v0.17.13. Unfortunately it is not working with v0.18.X as now. I reported back to Jdobbs.

[GaPony]

You don't need to check your sister's PS3... It doesn't support BD5 or BD9 copies. It will play an AVCHD disc, or it will even play a standalone .m2ts file... so you can copy just the main .m2ts files from your BD5 and BD9 copies onto a disc by themselves, or even put multiple ones onto larger discs if you want, but you can't play the BD5 & BD9 discs themselves.

[Furiousflea]

Thank you all :)

[turbojet]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30
Panasonic BD35 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Panasonic BD50
Panasonic BD55 (If movie doesn't play disable 24p playback in player's menu)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

[GZZ]

What is the diffrence between AVCHD BD9 and Bluray BD9 ?

As far as I can see the java part is the only difference. The BD9 I have done looks pretty simular to a Bluray except for the missing menu and java. Its got multiple audio/subs.

[KarstenS]

Fully Compatible: Sony BDP-S350

[turbojet]

Oh ya Sony BDP-S500 should be in fully compatible too.

GZZ: From what I see they are commonly referred to as being the same. The few different AVCHD camera streams I've seen has had this stucture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.jpg) which is all I refer to as AVCHD. Everything outputted by tsmuxer, tsremux, BD-RB is BD to me because its identical to BD's structure for the most part. Outside of the commercial software that produce identical output from BD and AVCHD (depending on software) you have AVCHDme which changes the structure from what I refer to as BD to AVCHD and AVCHD-Patcher which changes a retail index.bdmv to what tsmuxer outputs. People's opinions on what is AVCHD and what is BD will differ a lot. What's discussed in this thread can surpass AVCHD specs (http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html).

[archaeo]

Looks like there may be a lot of conflicting 'opinions' on what works and what doesn't...

[Furiousflea]

I think you mean to put PS3 in the movie only section?
Also you can add to movie only:
Samsung 1400
Samsung 1500 (if firmware 2.3+ delete AUXDATA folder)
Samsung 2550 (delete AUXDATA folder)
Panasonic BD30 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD35 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD50 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Panasonic BD55 (don't remove region with anydvd)
Magnavox NB500MG9
LG BH200 (prior to firmware 0602)
Sony BDP-BX1
Insignia N5-BRDVD
Insignia N5-2BRDVD

and to not compatible:
Sharp BD-HP20

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

[drmih]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.

[alluringreality]

want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD+\-R\DL.

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

[GaPony]

The PS3 probably needs a qualifier to be listed as filling this intent. The PS3 only plays actual Blu-ray files on DVD media in file mode. The PS3 needs the AVCHD information in index.bdmv to play Blu-ray related files on writable DVD like other video discs.

NOTE: tsMuxer and TsRemux "Blu-ray" for example have the AVCHD info in the index.bdmv and play as a video disc on the PS3, because they're based on Nero's AVCHD files.

You can actually copy just the 00001.m2ts file to a UDF 2.5 DVD and it will play on the PS3. You don't have chapters, menus, etc, but it plays fine without all the additional files and folders required for an accepted AVHCD disc. I have found this to be helpful on a few problematic movies.

I'm not sure I would place the PS3 on any compatibility list for BD-9 or BD-5 because of its very narrow range of playability... Full BD-25, AVCHD, and single file playback.

[turbojet]

Could you confirm the above players can play BD5\BD9 without patching of any kind and not only AVCHD.

Don't mean to be funny but want to try and make things accurate and only for BD5\BD9 or to be more correct, BD structure on DVD
+\-R\DL.

Thanks for posting the info :)

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

[GZZ]

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.


I got a Tvix HD-6500A and install the bluray lite beta firmware for it and it dosnt like the CLPI file if it has been fixed with fixclpi, but it works just fine with the output from tsmuxer. It also play the menu on blurays (but it dont support java menu).

[Furiousflea]

Don't know what you want for confirmation. I checked all of these in a store with a BD produced by RipBot264 which is pretty close to being identical to BD-RB movie only output except RipBot264 uses b-pyramid and higher vbv bitrates which you'd think would reduce the compatability if anything. I have only tested an AVCHD stream from a camera on Panasonic BD30 and it worked.

I don't convert encoded movie only BD's to AVCHD since I don't see the point in the extra work and I'd have to ditch DTS if I did.

There's also some threads on the Samsung and Panasonic players on this forum. AVSForum has info for alot more of the players but not really from an encoding standpoint. Mainly the playability of AVCHD.

I did forget to mention that FIX_CLPI=1 breaks Panasonic player playback, FIX_CLPI=0 is a current way to fix it.

Thanks just needed to be sure :)

[yonexsp]

Anyone know f the VisionQuest VQM-1000 is compatible?

[GaPony]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

[Furiousflea]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Thanks buddy, I also got me hands on an S550 the other day :) Only done a few full backups so far but they've all worked flawlessly except "The Matrix"...I suspect the problem is BD-Rebuilder (everthing plays fine but no sound\subs on main feature either play and are not selectable via remote)

EDIT - updated OP thanks GaPony :)

Everyone else!!!!

Please give a minute of your time to help others and post your results with the fabulous BD-Rebuilder.

(thank you!)

[jdobbs]

Hmm... I did the Matrix (NTSC) without any issues -- but it was several versions back. I'll give it a test run.

[drmih]

An item for consideration to the master list:

I've made over 60 full backups, about 15 of them are from Universal Studios, and all of them play properly on the Sony BDP-S550 player. They are a mix of BD9 and BD25 discs. None of them have any audio issues.

Could you confirm whether any of the titles you have done had DTS-HD XLL as the main audio. The ones I mentioned (The Mummy, Bourne Trilogy) all had this in common (as well as being Universal)? BD-RB is obvioulsy processing the audio as it's there when played on the PC. The problem I see is the one FuriousFlea mentions regarding The Matrix.

[GaPony]

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, was among that list. If you, or anyone else, could post a list of "suspect movies, I'll be glad to run or rerun any that I have and post the log results. All my Full Movie copies have used the defaults provided by BD-Rebuilder, unless LPCM was the default audio, then I changed it as I haven't had alot of luck with LPCM... but I haven't checked to see if its working better in the last few updates.

[Furiousflea]

The Matrix is from Warner Bros, I think just an fyi.

...So could be just bad luck and nothing even to do with Universal Studio titles?

Maybe something to do with the way playlists are being handles from a complex BD-J menu?

(just a guess lol)

[GaPony]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

[drmih]

The ones I mentioned were all bd-9.

[Capsbackup]

I have aslight issue now on my Sony S550 (I expect across the whole range) where the universal titles I have tried so far do not play the audio on the movie (DTS HD Master Audio 5.1) althought it's there for the extras. On a pc or as a data stream on a ps3 the audio can be played so it must be some small setting. Perhaps something easily corrected by bd-rebuilder in future versions.
I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media.

[jdobbs]

I have had this same issue on my Sony BDP-BX1, with Scorpion King and U571, and those were both DTS-HD Master Audio, and most recently X-Files 2, which has 2 versions of the movie on the disc. Theatrical version plays back fine with audio, but Extended version has no audio or subs. Batman Begins was also played back with no audio heard, but it was Dolby TrueHD. These were burned to DVD-5 media. However, when I burned these same exact backups to BD-RE, all audio played back perfect. So for myself, the issue is only on DVD media. That's interesting. The exact same audio played back on BD-RE but not BD-5? That certainly makes you wonder.

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?

[Furiousflea]

I don't have The Matrix, but I think I know somebody who does. I'll try to borrow it.

You are copying to BD9 or BD25...just so we're on the same sheet of music..

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!)

[jdobbs]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

[Furiousflea]

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. Too much wasted room on subs.

:) Donation on the way very shortly for your great work Mr Dobbs.

Just sent you $10 sorry it's not much but I don't wanna go overdrawn!

Keep up the good work, your the only guy I've ever donated money to in years (twice including DVD-RB~)

Your work is much appreciated.

[Capsbackup]

Did you keep them in their original format, or was it reencoded to AC3 (the default)?
It was reencoded to AC3, the default, 448kbps I believe. On X-Files 2, the AC3 was at 640kbps.

[jdobbs]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.

As I said, ALL extras\menus\audio\subs\etc work EXCEPT the main movie. I've tried changing audio tracks and subs in the menu but no sound\subs are visible for the main movie no matter what you do. Presseng the "audio" button on the remote and nothing happens (no tracks appear).

Oh, the only things I have stripped are 3 of the 4 commentry tracks and the foreign language subs (all english subs are still on my BD9)

When I run the main m2ts through tsmuxer I can see that all trakcs are present and correct as they should be.

The orignal audio for the main feature is TrueHD -> encoded to 640k in BD-Rebuilder.

EDIT - I used an older version of BD-Rebuilder 0.17.11 (think is was .11 but it was defo 0.17.xx) This is the latest version that keeps subs, I'm sorry I'm using an older version but since sub stripping isn't possible on newer versions it would be impossible to do a full rip without stripping foreign langage subs (around 1GB of sub data on the original BD!!!) I've added the capability to remove subs in the next release. The exception is what it determines to be probable MENU files (usually smaller M2TS files that have certain telltale settings in the MPLS).

[GaPony]

I'm copying to BD9 FULL disc.


I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

[jdobbs]

???? You should only be using v0.18.09. I can think of no reason why you'd want to use those old versions. I'll let you know how it comes out -- but I'm pretty confident that the new one will work fine.

If you wait until tomorrow, you may be able to use v0.18.10 -- and it will allow you to remove subs.

[Furiousflea]

I'll be able to get all three Matrix movies and all three Bourne movies to play with. I'll pick them up from him on Monday and run The Matrix first..

Do I need 17.11 or will 17.13 work? I have all versions installed, so it really doesn't matter to me. I just want to try to duplicate the conditions that you worked under.

Sound good :) ...I'd do what the chief say ^ :p and wait till tomorrow and try the latest version as like jdobbs says it will allow subs removal which was my only reason for using the old 0.17 releases.

Thanks for your work, would be nice to clear up.

[GaPony]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

[Furiousflea]

So long as I can try to duplicate your results... I'd much rather use the current version, otherwise its of no value to the beta testing itself. It will be a couple days before I get my hands on the movies anyway... Maybe I'll give my computer the day off tomorrow, its been running BD-Rebuilder almost around the clock since Dec 26th. I've probably run 200 sessions in different configurations, but I think I'm starting to get a handle on it. :)

Completely agree, that was my sentiment too. :)

[tyau]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

[Furiousflea]

i HAVE A sHARP BD-HP21U. It is not compatible with any backed up disc. None whatsoever. Discs with menu, movie only, BD5, nor BD9. It is very restrictive, applicable to all versions of firmware.

As mentioned, Sony's S550 plays Movie-Only BD5, full movie, and otherwise.

Thanks, added :)

[tyau]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

[Furiousflea]

Hey Furiousflea,

It is indicated that the Denon BD-3800 is "Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)"

Does that mean it plays all formats of BR-RB processed discs? Such as Full-backup or movie-only backup? A friend wants to purchase a BD-3800 and he wants to make sure that this player works with movie-only discs and full backup discs.

Thanks.

Hi there, yes it should be fully compatible with ALL content on BD5\9. That is what has been reported, I just update the list when someone posts. So what I'm saying is that I can't guarantee it will be trouble free but at least 1 person who I think sounds plausable has said it does.

[archaeo]

Fully Compatible (Menu + advanced Menus including BD-J\Movie both play perfectly)

Sony BDP-S300\S350\S500\S550
...more feedback from Sony BDP-SXXX owners appreciated)



Does anyone have any feedback on the S-300 series? I've read in some forums and reviews that the player seems to have some freezing issues, and requires frequent firmware updates in order to play newer BR discs.
I'm wondering if this translates into it having issues with playback of BD Rebuilder generated backups, which could be mistaken as bugs?

[GaPony]

jdobbs uses the BDP-S301... Since he's the author, I would guess that he's getting pretty good results for that player.

[jdobbs]

I can tell you that the Sony BD-S301 is going to be the best debugged player in the world for the output of BD-RB... :) I have no freezing issues -- but I can say that it is not the fastest loading player in the world. Discs with BD-J can sometimes be annoying with their "Loading..." and graphical "I'll be with you when I get around to it" animations on the S300 series.

On the plus side -- it seems to play just about any format you can throw at it. I didn't realize just how resilient it was until I started getting reports from the other players. I can tell you that if I spent good money on a player that rejects simple AVCHD discs --- I'd be taking it back. I hate rewarding a manufacturer who failed to think ahead.

I've never found a commercial disc that wouldn't play. I updated the firmware once shortly after I bought it.

[archaeo]

I can tell you that the Sony BD-S301 is going to be the best debugged player in the world for the output of BD-RB... :) I have no freezing issues -- but I can say that it is not the fastest loading player in the world. Discs with BD-J can sometimes be annoying with their "Loading..." and graphical "I'll be with you when I get around to it" animations on the S300 series.

On the plus side -- it seems to play just about any format you can throw at it. I didn't realize just how resilient it was until I started getting reports from the other players. I can tell you that if I spent good money on a player that rejects simple AVCHD discs --- I'd be taking it back. I hate rewarding a manufacturer who failed to think ahead.

I've never found a commercial disc that wouldn't play. I updated the firmware once shortly after I bought it.

Good news :D
Yeah, I had heard about the loading times :eek:, but also have heard about it's reliability - in one forum, they nicknamed the S300 as the 'tank'. Slow, but sturdy and reliable.

I'm going to go ahead with the S300 primarily because of the reason you mentioned - you're testing with it! :) but it doesn't hurt that they seem to be very well priced right now.

[GaPony]

jdobbs should buy a truckload of S301s on the cheap and sell them at a profit...including a free copy of BD-Rebuilder. His recession (if he has one) could be over very quickly. :)

I thought buying the S-301, but have had good success with my S550, and it loads all my movies in a reasonable time.

[Furiousflea]

jdobbs should buy a truckload of S301s on the cheap and sell them at a profit...including a free copy of BD-Rebuilder. His recession (if he has one) could be over very quickly. :)

I thought buying the S-301, but have had good success with my S550, and it loads all my movies in a reasonable time.

The S550 is equal to the S301 as far as BD backups playback go. Better in most other ways. You can still pickup the 301 for cheap, I think the S350 replaced it but it doesn't have onboard analogue outputs. Would have gone for the 301 myself if it wasn't for the atrocious BDJ playback. In hindsight prolly should have done and saved £100 but there we go eh.

[Furiousflea]

Good news :D
Yeah, I had heard about the loading times :eek:, but also have heard about it's reliability - in one forum, they nicknamed the S300 as the 'tank'. Slow, but sturdy and reliable.

I'm going to go ahead with the S300 primarily because of the reason you mentioned - you're testing with it! :) but it doesn't hurt that they seem to be very well priced right now.

It's thought of as a better overall package than the S350, if you can handle the slow loading of BDJ discs then go for it. I wouldn't worry about compatibility with any sony SXXX player though, they all seem to play backups at an equal level. I haven't read jdobbs clarifying of some discs with no audio on the main feature but I would hazard a guess his player will exhibit the same behaviour.

[jdobbs]

I've done a LOT of discs (all NTSC), and haven't had one with a silent audio track yet.

[Furiousflea]

I've done a LOT of discs (all NTSC), and haven't had one with a silent audio track yet.

Thats interesting to know, did you get round to doing the "The Matrix" in the end and checking if that gave you the no audio\subs for main feature scenario on your player. I remember a few days ago you were about to try it (full disc) then you got sidetracked with the x264 bug and put it on hold?

Thanks, Rob

[drmih]

I think I was the main person who reported being unable to play the audio track on some universal discs - it is there but you can't select it on the sony. I have done The Matrix and that was okay. The titles are the ones with True HD only audio, which is about 11Gb when demuxed.

The titles I have tried are:

The Mummy
Bourne Identity
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Ultimatum

All to bd-9

[jdobbs]

I think I was the main person who reported being unable to play the audio track on some universal discs - it is there but you can't select it on the sony. I have done The Matrix and that was okay. The titles are the ones with True HD only audio, which is about 11Gb when demuxed.

The titles I have tried are:

The Mummy
Bourne Identity
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Ultimatum

All to bd-9My system is a Sony also. I have yet to have seen an issue. Can you list some more titles -- I don't have any of these. Are you using the tracks that are demuxed by BD-RB or are you using something else, because 11GB doesn't sound right for a BD-RB demux?

[Wombler]

The S550 is equal to the S301 as far as BD backups playback go. Better in most other ways. You can still pickup the 301 for cheap, I think the S350 replaced it but it doesn't have onboard analogue outputs. Would have gone for the 301 myself if it wasn't for the atrocious BDJ playback. In hindsight prolly should have done and saved £100 but there we go eh.

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler

[Furiousflea]

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler

:)....

[drmih]

My system is a Sony also. I have yet to have seen an issue. Can you list some more titles -- I don't have any of these. Are you using the tracks that are demuxed by BD-RB or are you using something else, because 11GB doesn't sound right for a BD-RB demux?

These are the only ones I've had this with. I did try to do one of them again but selected not to process the audio and although set to bd-9 the images came in at over 12Gb.

As i said it must be something confusing the Sony as the audio is definitely there and the discs play fine on a pc with powerdvd.

[jdobbs]

There has to be something strange about those particular titles or how you are processing on your system. I'm not getting other reports of oversizing like that.

How long is the content as seen by BD-RB for those discs?

[jdobbs]

Plus the S350 doesn't have onboard decoding of DTD-HD Master Audio whereas the S550 does which is an important factor for those of us with older AV amps.


Wombler After this thread reminded me that I hadn't updated in a while, I noticed on the Sony site that support for internal decoding of TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus have been added in the latest firmware for the S301, so I downloaded and updated.

[drmih]

There has to be something strange about those particular titles or how you are processing on your system. I'm not getting other reports of oversizing like that.

How long is the content as seen by BD-RB for those discs?

I will check it out later when I'm home but I only tried again on one disc to leave the audio untouched when it was 12GB. All of them were processed perfectly and if I only had a pc I wouldn't even know there was an issue.

[Wombler]

After this thread reminded me that I hadn't updated in a while, I noticed on the Sony site that support for internal decoding of TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus have been added in the latest firmware for the S301, so I downloaded and updated.

Ohh that's interesting.

I must check and see if that's the case for the S350 as well as it would be on my shortlist otherwise.

I haven't got a blu-ray player yet but have been checking them out recently as I'm thinking of buying one (if I can get a good enough deal).


Wombler

[deank]

(just a bit off-topic) I'm a small step away of buying a BD player. Here we have in store SONY BDP-S300B for 200EUR and it includes:

1. 1x SONY BDP-S300B
2. 1x SONY 21 BR DISK BUNDLE
3. 1x SONY CASINO ROYAL BR DISK BUNDLE
4. 1x SONY MADE OF HONOR BR DISK BUNDLE (probably misspelled MAID of honor)
5. 1x SONY OPEN 1 BR DISK BUNDLE

Does anyone has any idea what 2 and 5 are?

I'd like to buy one that I need to know will work with BD-RB output on :) any :) media. And what is this "B" in the 300B name?

edit: I just thought a bit and may be these are "21 Grams" and "Open season 1"...

[drmih]

(just a bit off-topic) I'm a small step away of buying a BD player. Here we have in store SONY BDP-S300B for 200EUR and it includes:

1. 1x SONY BDP-S300B
2. 1x SONY 21 BR DISK BUNDLE
3. 1x SONY CASINO ROYAL BR DISK BUNDLE
4. 1x SONY MADE OF HONOR BR DISK BUNDLE (probably misspelled MAID of honor)
5. 1x SONY OPEN 1 BR DISK BUNDLE

Does anyone has any idea what 2 and 5 are?

I'd like to buy one that I need to know will work with BD-RB output on :) any :) media. And what is this "B" in the 300B name?

edit: I just thought a bit and may be these are "21 Grams" and "Open season 1"...

I think it's the region - B for Europe. The only other possibility is that it specifies the colour - black.

[deank]

Thanks. I think of going there and try the player with a backup and see what happens.

[turbojet]

21 I'm guessing stars Kevin Spacey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/)

[Furiousflea]

21 I'm guessing stars Kevin Spacey (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/)

Correct....

I loved it, but then I love kevin spacey and he should be a god.:p

[Wombler]

Ohh that's interesting.

I must check and see if that's the case for the S350 as well as it would be on my shortlist otherwise.

I haven't got a blu-ray player yet but have been checking them out recently as I'm thinking of buying one (if I can get a good enough deal).


Wombler

@jdobbs

Nope!

It seems that those updates haven't filtered through to the European firmwares yet.

If it's possible on the S301 then hopefully the S350 will eventually be capable of doing this as well.

At least you're sorted though.


Wombler

[GaPony]

Correct....

I loved it, but then I love kevin spacey and he should be a god.:p

He did play an alien once... I'm not so sure about a god. :D

[DrKajun]

LG BD300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData

Question:
I tried to do a Full with BD-J menus on DVD9 and the player quicky stated it was a BDMV then posted an error. For giggles I removed the AuxData folder seeing it helped other players. It then stated the disc was a AVCHD disc and looks like it was reading the disc only to post an error that the regions between the player and Disc where different. AnyDVD says the disc has no Region. In ImgBurn I can't find a place to specify a Region to make the disc .. All my burns seem to have no Region (but the BD-R's work) ... so I guess I am confused. Should I be burning with like a Region A, and if so who do I set it up?

[Furiousflea]

LG DB300 Blu-Ray Player:
DVD9 (Movie Only) - Tested Good on RiData
DVD9 (BD-J Movie) - Failed on RiData
BD-R (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData
BD-R RW (BD-J Movie) - Tested Good on RiData

Question:
I tried to do a Full with BD-J menus on DVD9 and the player quicky stated it was a BDMV then posted an error. For giggles I removed the AuxData folder seeing it helped other players. It then stated the disc was a AVCHD disc and looks like it was reading the disc only to post an error that the regions between the player and Disc where different. AnyDVD says the disc has no Region. In ImgBurn I can't find a place to specify a Region to make the disc .. All my burns seem to have no Region (but the BD-R's work) ... so I guess I am confused. Should I be burning with like a Region A, and if so who do I set it up?

I can't answer your question but thanks for posting the information will update OP. Only thing I can say is that the behaviour you witnessed of non-playback\disc being detected as AVCHD is typical with reports from other people.

I don't think setting any region etc is going to make any difference and the player reporting this as a problem is just a red herring for - it's not reading it properly due to it being on DVD9

[DrKajun]

I can't answer your question but thanks for posting the information will update OP. Only thing I can say is that the behaviour you witnessed of non-playback\disc being detected as AVCHD is typical with reports from other people.

I don't think setting any region etc is going to make any difference and the player reporting this as a problem is just a red herring for - it's not reading it properly due to it being on DVD9

Thanks for the reply, I made a typo :). Its a "LG BD300" sorry. Should have never sold my Sony BDP-S301 to my neighbor .. lol oh well.

[sype]

Is this thread for stand alone players only, or can we discuss PC software compatibility,
I do movie only backups onto verbatim DVD9,
All work perfectly in my PS3.
None work on my Sony vaio using Intervideo WinDVD BD. Untill i changed the setting, Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only.
This has solved my problems but i cant get any backups to play in my friends acer laptop using acer arcade software.
Sorry if im in the wrong thread.

[treeboy]

I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

[Furiousflea]

Is this thread for stand alone players only, or can we discuss PC software compatibility,
I do movie only backups onto verbatim DVD9,
All work perfectly in my PS3.
None work on my Sony vaio using Intervideo WinDVD BD. Untill i changed the setting, Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie only.
This has solved my problems but i cant get any backups to play in my friends acer laptop using acer arcade software.
Sorry if im in the wrong thread.

Standalones only, there's always a way to get things working on a computer with a bit of work. On the other hand that isn't the case with a bluray player. Thanks for posting in the thread though.


I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

Thanks, will add info to the list :) Would be great if you could check compatibility with BD9 full movie too if you don't mind wasting a DL disc on ot ;)

...Also your 40 yov can be solved though by extracting the streams you want to keep with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer (pretty much just follow the hd dvd -> bluray guide I've written in the BACKUP guide thread, it works on the same principle of extracting all the stuff you want and eac3to can fix and dodgy m2ts synching errors and give you full raw video\audio streams for muxing in tsmuxer)


(it's very easy! ;))

[alluringreality]

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

It is NOT a thread for listing players that are capable of AVCHD\Patched BD9\Anthing Else.

Like previously stated, the above quote is not consistent with the following.

PS3 does NOT support full movie discs currently but DOES support movie only discs, apologies for the confusion and changing of catergory

It's well-documented that the PS3 needs the AVCHD info in index.bdmv to play like other movie discs. The Movie Only output must be using the AVCHD info if the PS3 will play it outside file mode. If you are not familiar with the AVCHD info then run a true Blu-ray file (not tsMuxer or TsRemux) through AVCHD-Patcher to see the added information. There isn't necessarily much difference between Blu-ray and AVCHD file structure, but Blu-ray files never actually include the AVCHD information at the end of the index file. My main point is just that the Movie Only section of the post is basically documenting how to get AVCHD files to play on different players, which is worthwhile but not exactly in line with the stated intent.

[Furiousflea]

Like previously stated, the above quote is not consistent with the following.



It's well-documented that the PS3 needs the AVCHD info in index.bdmv to play like other movie discs. The Movie Only output must be using the AVCHD info if the PS3 will play it outside file mode. If you are not familiar with the AVCHD info then run a true Blu-ray file (not tsMuxer or TsRemux) through AVCHD-Patcher to see the added information. There isn't necessarily much difference between Blu-ray and AVCHD file structure, but Blu-ray files never actually include the AVCHD information at the end of the index file. My main point is just that the Movie Only section of the post is basically documenting how to get AVCHD files to play on different players, which is worthwhile but not exactly in line with the stated intent.

edit - see GaPony's post below, I was incorrect as I also assumed the ps3 needed AVCHD patching but it does not.

[GaPony]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required. I think we may have confused this issue early on with the AVCHD discussion and what was needed on various players.

[Furiousflea]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required. I think we may have confused this issue early on with the AVCHD discussion and what was needed on various players.

lol yep "not this again" I hear you thinking ;)

Good, I'm pleased that's thase I do hope "the case is closed" so to speak :)

[GaPony]

You must be a mind reader... :)

[alluringreality]

Just set BD-Rebuilder for Movie Only and the PS3 will see it and play it as an AVCHD disc... no patches, or structural changes required.

The PS3 requires the AVCHD item at the end of index.bdmv to play as a video disk. BD-Rebuilder does currently include the information associated with AVCHD files when Movie Only is selected, so it will play on the PS3. My comment is simply that the Movie Only output doesn't appear completely in line with "BD-ROM video structure".

[GaPony]

When I did my first Movie Only copies (back with version 17.11 & 17.13) BD-Rebuilder didn't have that additional setting. All my movie only copies played great on the PS3. They didn't play on my Samsung BDP-2500... however after using the AVCHD specific settings in later versions they played on the BDP-2500 and PS3.

You are correct that a Movie Only copy doesn't conform to the standard BD-ROM structure. Many players are forgiving enough to play them as AVCHD with no additional help, others need the "Stricter compliance for AVCHD" setting to be enabled. I'm not 100% sure even all PS3s work the same after discussing this with someone who has a PAL version of the PS3. Its become one of those "Try it and see what happens, things". Blu-Ray manufacturers would be well advised to come up with some common standard for Blu-Ray, in a similar way to those adopted by DVD manufacturers. If they did, we wouldn't need to be compiling a compatibility list. :)

[Furiousflea]

The PS3 requires the AVCHD item at the end of index.bdmv to play as a video disk. BD-Rebuilder does currently include the information associated with AVCHD files when Movie Only is selected, so it will play on the PS3. My comment is simply that the Movie Only output doesn't appear completely in line with "BD-ROM video structure".

Technically the list might be wrong. But if what you say is true and has GaPony has said in the post after yours with the Samsung player needing this info too...Where are we supposed to find users knowledgeable and with the inclination to bother finding out if their players needs this extra info.

I gueess maybe the thread title and text in op could do with changing to imply BD5\BD9 with BD-Rebuilder. But I suppose the fact I'm mentioning "movie only" and "full disc" in the op and it being in the DVD Rebuilder forum should assume people are using BD-Rebuilder.

Futhermore the list was only intended as help for jdobbs and to stop the forum being swamped with "does xxx player support xxx" and be as concise as possible. Still...I see your point but not a lot I can do as it could well be that ALL those "movie only" players need the AVCHD information?

[Furiousflea]

When I did my first Movie Only copies (back with version 17.11 & 17.13) BD-Rebuilder didn't have that additional setting. All my movie only copies played great on the PS3. They didn't play on my Samsung BDP-2500... however after using the AVCHD specific settings in later versions they played on the BDP-2500 and PS3.

You are correct that a Movie Only copy doesn't conform to the standard BD-ROM structure. Many players are forgiving enough to play them as AVCHD with no additional help, others need the "Stricter compliance for AVCHD" setting to be enabled. I'm not 100% sure even all PS3s work the same after discussing this with someone who has a PAL version of the PS3. Its become one of those "Try it and see what happens, things". Blu-Ray manufacturers would be well advised to come up with some common standard for Blu-Ray, in a similar way to those adopted by DVD manufacturers. If they did, we wouldn't need to be compiling a compatibility list. :)

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned.

[GaPony]

I'm sure there is a standard... stuffed away in some dusty file drawer. It appears that nobody has read it. You're even having a hard time getting 10 players confirmed as being able to play anything the same. It gets to be a bit frustrating. I have 3 different players that all act quite differently from one another. The only thing they all have in common is that they all play original Blu-Ray movies. :(

You took on quite a challenge...

[jdobbs]

I think you nailed the real issue here. Standards set certain things, and then manufacturers implement what they see is compliant -- but they all do it different ways. It took DVD a while to get all players fairly common too. Right now we're still in the infancy of BD and the "standard" is interpreted differently by lots of different OEM firmware developers. They probably pass everything in the BD certification software -- but it's in they gray areas that we run into issues.

While the basics of any standard are set in specs -- the unclear fringes of stardards are all established de-facto.

[laserfan]

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned.As I mentioned in the BD-RB thread, some players appear to treat DVD-ROM discs (the book-type, not the content) as "1x only" thus in order to get discs to spin at >1x (e.g. for BD-5 or 9) you need to burn them as DVD+R or DVD+R DL.

[jdobbs]

I *think* there is a standard for BD playback on BD9 like HD DVD "3x" playback on dvd. It's just the manufacturers (most) don't follow it as there are no DVD-ROM releases officially so no need to as far as they are concerned. Definitely 3x for BD-5/9. Not sure about AVCHD, but I seem to recall 2x from somewhere.

[kilbowie54]

New to the forum but I’ve been a long time lurker and learned a huge amount from everyone that posts on here.
PC is Intel Q6600 quad core, 3GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO, Vista 32 bit.
I want to say “thanks” to Jdobbs for all his hard work in developing BD Rebuilder.
I’ve been using it for a few weeks and I’ve successfully backed up several of my blu-ray discs to BD9 & BD5 using versions 1809, 1904 & 1906. The results always played well on an older Sony BDP-S300 but wouldn’t play at all on my Denon DVD2500BT. I don’t have a Playstation so I can’t comment.
I then downloaded version 2001 and followed the following procedure:
· Decrypt original disc using AnyDVDHD.
· Use eac3to to identify main movie m2ts file.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18(b) to remux the file to a new m2ts, removing unwanted subtitles & audio.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18 (b) to create BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders from the new m2ts file.
· Use BD-RBV02001 to “shrink” to either BD9 or BD5. Let it run overnight.
· Use ImgBurn to create .iso from the result and burn to Verbatim 8XDVD+R DL.

This method produces a BD9 or BD5 that plays without any problem on the Denon 2500BT.

[Furiousflea]

New to the forum but I’ve been a long time lurker and learned a huge amount from everyone that posts on here.
PC is Intel Q6600 quad core, 3GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD2600 PRO, Vista 32 bit.
I want to say “thanks” to Jdobbs for all his hard work in developing BD Rebuilder.
I’ve been using it for a few weeks and I’ve successfully backed up several of my blu-ray discs to BD9 & BD5 using versions 1809, 1904 & 1906. The results always played well on an older Sony BDP-S300 but wouldn’t play at all on my Denon DVD2500BT. I don’t have a Playstation so I can’t comment.
I then downloaded version 2001 and followed the following procedure:
· Decrypt original disc using AnyDVDHD.
· Use eac3to to identify main movie m2ts file.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18(b) to remux the file to a new m2ts, removing unwanted subtitles & audio.
· Use tsMuxeR_1.8.18 (b) to create BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders from the new m2ts file.
· Use BD-RBV02001 to “shrink” to either BD9 or BD5. Let it run overnight.
· Use ImgBurn to create .iso from the result and burn to Verbatim 8XDVD+R DL.

This method produces a BD9 or BD5 that plays without any problem on the Denon 2500BT.

Are you saying "movie only" doesn't work on your Denon 2500BT and the tsmuxer bluray output does. Or are you saying that they both work. Or are you saying that you haven't tested "movie only" with your Denon and you only tried "full disc" with the Sony BDP-S300.

Thanks :)

[jdobbs]

I can't imagine how the first steps have any effect on the last ones... :confused:

[Furiousflea]

I can't imagine how the first steps have any effect on the last ones... :confused:

That's my thinking and why I asked for some clarification. It sounds like he hasn't tried "movie only" and just a straight remux through tsmuxer. Wanted to be sure as it could be a potential bug in BD-Rebuilder.

[kilbowie54]

That's my thinking and why I asked for some clarification. It sounds like he hasn't tried "movie only" and just a straight remux through tsmuxer. Wanted to be sure as it could be a potential bug in BD-Rebuilder.

My first attempts to use BD-Rebuilder on its own wouldn't work at all on the Denon DVD2500BT (this is my main machine - the older Sony isn't used now). I tried several times to create a BD25 and a BD9 using just BD-Rebuilder and nothing would play on the Denon. It was only usuing the method I outlined in my post that I could get a BD9 to play on the Denon so I stuck with that!

[Furiousflea]

My first attempts to use BD-Rebuilder on its own wouldn't work at all on the Denon DVD2500BT (this is my main machine - the older Sony isn't used now). I tried several times to create a BD25 and a BD9 using just BD-Rebuilder and nothing would play on the Denon. It was only usuing the method I outlined in my post that I could get a BD9 to play on the Denon so I stuck with that!

Did you try movie only mode in BD-Rebuilder at BD9 size on your denon?

[alluringreality]

Still...I see your point but not a lot I can do as it could well be that ALL those "movie only" players need the AVCHD information?

My point was just either to change or remove the following quote, because it doesn't apply to the movie only selection.

The is a thread for listing known compatible and incompatible Bluray players with regards to playback of BD-ROM video structure on a DVD+R\-R\DL, also known as BD5 and BD9.

It is NOT a thread for listing players that are capable of AVCHD\Patched BD9\Anthing Else.

The movie only setting is similar to the mutant AVCHD/Blu-ray format that tsMuxer, TsRemux, or AVCHD-Patcher create. The disk falls outside BD-ROM because of the information that appears only on AVCHD disks, and it isn't really AVCHD either because the audio and video can fall outside spec.

As far as the question if all the players under movie only require the AVCHD information, I know the Magnavox does not because it is reported as being able to play strict HDMV from DVD media. On the other hand apparently the Magnavox does not play strict AVCHD, so it must have something to do with folders like reported with the Samsungs.

[Furiousflea]

My point was just either to change or remove the following quote, because it doesn't apply to the movie only selection.



The movie only setting is similar to the mutant AVCHD/Blu-ray format that tsMuxer, TsRemux, or AVCHD-Patcher create. The disk falls outside BD-ROM because of the information that appears only on AVCHD disks, and it isn't really AVCHD either because the audio and video can fall outside spec.

As far as the question if all the players under movie only require the AVCHD information, I know the Magnavox does not because it is reported as being able to play strict HDMV from DVD media. On the other hand apparently the Magnavox does not play strict AVCHD, so it must have something to do with folders like reported with the Samsungs.

Gotcha, I'll change that now. Only reason I worded it like that was to avoid confusion and try keep things clear cut as possible....

"I only want to know if the output from BD-Rebuilder will playback" would have been better in hindishgt.

Edit - I've changed the title and re-worded the text in op slightly. Hope this is all good? :)

[turbojet]

Samsung 2500 can be added to the list of Movie only, same line as 2550 is fine, just different regions of the same player.
AnyDVD fixed the region problem with panasonic players so that bit can be removed.
It seems like some Panasonic (BD35\55?) will only play movie only if 24p is unchecked in the player options, perhaps add 'If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu'.

[Furiousflea]

Samsung 2500 can be added to the list of Movie only, same line as 2550 is fine, just different regions of the same player.
AnyDVD fixed the region problem with panasonic players so that bit can be removed.
It seems like some Panasonic (BD35\55?) will only play movie only if 24p is unchecked in the player options, perhaps add 'If the movie doesn't play make sure 24p is disabled in the players menu'.

Thanks, added.

[DK]

Technically the list might be wrong. But if what you say is true and has GaPony has said in the post after yours with the Samsung player needing this info too...Where are we supposed to find users knowledgeable and with the inclination to bother finding out if their players needs this extra info.

I actually have problems with BD-RE playback on the Samsung BD-2500 using bd-rb 0.20.03b

I did NOT use the "stricter avchd" setting yet but will retry.
So far bd9 w/out "stricter" setting work, but same title as bd-re25 does NOT work for me.

Will keep you updated.

+++

can confirm that i had to delete auxdata for bd9 playback

[turbojet]

Does deleting AUXDATA folder from BD25 do anything?

I believe all that stricter AVCHD setting does is delete folders (AUXDATA\BDJO?) that aren't part of AVCHD structure which somehow allows some players like Samsung's play even if it isn't really an AVCHD or even in the correct structure.

I would be interested to see if Sharp players can play encodes that are in a real AVHCD structure. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AVCHD_actual_file_structure.jpg)

[DK]

No, for BD-RE it did not help.
I already deleted auxdata because bd09 would not play at all with auxdata present.

I'm burning to BD-RE right now once again with different settings within imgburn and see if it changes anything.

[turbojet]

Have you tried while keeping the AUXDATA directory?
I think for full backups that folder might have some files in it that are needed to play some BD's.

[GaPony]

No, for BD-RE it did not help.
I already deleted auxdata because bd09 would not play at all with auxdata present.

I'm burning to BD-RE right now once again with different settings within imgburn and see if it changes anything.

Let me know exactly what you're doing and I'll try to duplicate it or find a solution... Is this a full movie or Movie Only? Let me know what movie(s) you're trying and if I have the same title, I'll use it.

[DK]

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

[Furiousflea]

If 10 of your original refuse to play and they are from different shops and they definately have no physical damage.

You player is broken.

Take it back and get a new one, we can't help you until you do because it's possible that your laser is on the way out and thus it might play some media types and not others. Either way we won't be able to help you because if something doesn't play it could be the player causing it. No way of us knowing.

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

[turbojet]

I can't think of anything else currently.

It is really frustrating even after 2+ years of BD having all these different issues with various BD players. When they start messing up their players because of new encryption they sink way too much money into and that usually gets cracked within a few months it's even worse. All I remember reading about with DVD players from the same brands is multi-angle and seamless branching issues but I don't think that even existed 2 years after DVD first showed up. I hope the BD industry realizes it needs to get back to the basics and stop complaining about how much money they are losing to piracy. I think most of there loss is due to the high prices (causing people to pirate) and trying to invent new encryption techniques that cause all the hardware manufacturers to come up with yet another firmware.

Basically in your case it sounds like you have to pirate the copyrighted material just to watch the BD you rightfully paid for in a very different state it really shouldn't work this way and you might want to let Samsung know of this. Whatever it is it could also be what's affecting your backup issue as well.

It could very well be laser but I wouldn't doubt Samsung is trying to play tricks in their firmware like they have been recently.

If you do take it back and have a chance to get another brand, you might want to keep in mind that Sony players play BD-RB full backups on BD5/9.

[GaPony]

I used "movie only", burned with auxdata present and another time absent: failure in both cases

Title was Bone Collector, RCF => BD-RE 25

Same title => BD9 withOUT auxdata runs fine, with auxdata not.


Tonite I realized that my Samsung BD-2500 does NOT play 10 orignal Blu-rays, Bone Collector among them!
Only bought a BD player some 4 weeks ago and now I find it absolutely frustrating that (with latest firmware available) 10 out 30+ original titles do not play.

So I really wonder what can I try to analyze in order to find a system behind all this "failure"?

The BD-RE copy runs fine on the PC btw.

Is there any kind of folder/structural element that you would try to locate and see if other titles do or do not have this aspect in common?


+++
What FW do you have on your BD-2500, GaPony?

I have the latest version... 2.4 I think. I think I agree that your player is broken. I've never had an original disc fail... and you shouldn't either.

[DK]

Very same BD-RE plays fine on a Samsung BD-1500 :mad:

[jwjohnson]

I can confirm that you have to disable 24p playback on the Panasonic DMP-BD35 to successfully play a movie only BD-25 done with BD-RB.

[treeboy]

I have a Philips BDP 7200 that has been able to play ever movie-only (BD-5 & BD-9) backup I have done with BD-RB with the exception of one, that being 40 Year Old Virgin. 40 YOV has multiple M2TS files and I assume this is the reason for failure as all the rest of the movies have been single M2TS's and as stated earlier all have been successful. I haven't tried a complete backup yet as I haven't purchased any BD-25's but perhaps I'll try it to a BD-9 just to see.

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups.

[Ghitulescu]

Denon BD-3800 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)
PS3 both BD9 and BD5. Verbatim (BD9) and Ritek (BD5)

I think after a player is known to play BR in BD9/BD5 discs, it is also important to note that some players prefers certain brands than others. Also, there are brands/batchs that are known for problems all the time either single or double layer. For instance, I have Ritek for DVD5 but that brand is not good for DVD9 (DL) whereas Verbatim shines.

Could you check again the Denons?
I've checked myself (all 3 EU-models) and none could play an industrial made BD5 (guaranteed 100%), not various outputs from freewares or badly written sharewares (1-click-solutions). You may check the post here -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1266385#post1266385.

[jdobbs]

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups. Some manufacturers have no interest in that market... and with the price of BD-Rs dropping, they may have good insight. I think they'll all eventually support AVCHD, just so there is at least one good home-video standard for HD. But that is a small subset of what full-up BD provides.

[Ghitulescu]

Well it's been a while and after a few (3) full movie DVD-9 backup attempts I have to say that the Philips 7200 does not, I repeat not play entire BD backups.

The EU model played my BD5 flawlessly. Its a Samsung, and all Samsungs did the same.

See my post and the follow-ups here->http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1266385#post1266385

[shearer69]

I can't think of anything else currently.

It is really frustrating even after 2+ years of BD having all these different issues with various BD players. When they start messing up their players because of new encryption they sink way too much money into and that usually gets cracked within a few months it's even worse. All I remember reading about with DVD players from the same brands is multi-angle and seamless branching issues but I don't think that even existed 2 years after DVD first showed up. I hope the BD industry realizes it needs to get back to the basics and stop complaining about how much money they are losing to piracy. I think most of there loss is due to the high prices (causing people to pirate) and trying to invent new encryption techniques that cause all the hardware manufacturers to come up with yet another firmware.

Basically in your case it sounds like you have to pirate the copyrighted material just to watch the BD you rightfully paid for in a very different state it really shouldn't work this way and you might want to let Samsung know of this. Whatever it is it could also be what's affecting your backup issue as well.

It could very well be laser but I wouldn't doubt Samsung is trying to play tricks in their firmware like they have been recently.

If you do take it back and have a chance to get another brand, you might want to keep in mind that Sony players play BD-RB full backups on BD5/9.
Samsung seem strange to me. I bought a 1500 was told by salesman to update when setup at home which I did. all was well till I did my own hd discs with nero from my hd camcorder, nothing would play, same with backups using bdrebuilder without deleting auxdata. and bd9 fullbackups no way would play. So out of curiosity I flashed firmware 2.3 back to previous version and then everything started playing without having to delete folders for movie only. I then shrank batman begins and pirates of caribbean fullbackup to dvd9 as a test and they played back perfectly. It seems there 2.3 update disables something for avchd etc. So I wrote to samsung awaiting reply (won't hold breath on it). So reverting back to older firmware seems to cure playback of avchd and bd9. Think dobbs is great for his proggy

[DK]

BD-9 (Verbatim DL 8x), which played on Samsung BD-1500 and BD-2500 before do NOT run on the latest BD-1600.

Auxdata folder removed.


BD-9 data burned to Verbatim BD-RE DOES run :mad:

[turbojet]

Have you tried on 1600 with blank auxdata directory?

[DK]

I did - doesn't make a difference.

The strange thing is that the very same/identical data burned to a DL media does NOT run whereas burned to rewritable BD-RE works.

[alluringreality]

BD-1600

The manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200903/20090303154644515/BD-P1590,1600-XAA.pdf lists AVCHD. The Movie-Only mode is based around AVCHD *.bdmv files, and the "Stricter AVCHD compliance for movie-only" should mainly limit the output to actual AVCHD folders produced by commercial software. Try the Movie-Only mode with the item under Settings -> Setup and see if the player will play it. Many AVCHD players would play that output.

Using those settings the only items I can think of right away that are not in line with AVCHD from commercial authoring software is that the programs don't seem to include the CERTIFICATE folder. Also *.clpi would begin with HDMV0100, and *.mpls would begin with MPLS0100. I can't think of ever running across any standalone players that seemed to either fail or play depending on those items.

[DK]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

Still I don't understand why the identical material runs fine from BD-RE and not from DL media.

[GaPony]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

Still I don't understand why the identical material runs fine from BD-RE and not from DL media.

BD25 is pretty much a universal standard... BD5/BD9 written to DVD media are not. There are lots of people in the same boat. Only a handful of players handle BD5/BD9 without any intervention of some sort.

[alluringreality]

Will give it a go and encode a title again with "stricter options".

I don't think the setting does anything except get rid of some of the empty folders. If you've already done a Movie-Only disc, just delete the extra folders. AVCHD discs from commercial authoring software only appear to include:

/BDMV
/BDMV/BACKUP
/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF
/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/CLIPINF
/BDMV/PLAYLIST
/BDMV/STREAM

Generally over the past couple years Samsung players have performed differently depending on firmware, so you also might want to see if you're running current firmware.

[DK]

Thanx for the hint.

I was talking about MOVIE ONLY and still have all the data of different titles on my drives so I can check.


Concerning this:
Also *.clpi would begin with HDMV0100, and *.mpls would begin with MPLS0100.
Will I have to rename any files?

And yes, the BD-1600 is fairly new and the fw used on my version is up2date.


C.f. attached screenshot of the structure pls.

I will remove those folders not in your list and what about the files in the root folder:

index.bdmv
MovieObject.bdmv

Leave them as they are?

[alluringreality]

I'll assume that the Movie-Only encodes were done with the current version. If that's not the case then you might want to just rerun things. If you encoded using the current version, then BDMV is the main (or root) folder that will appear on the disk. Inside the BDMV folder you should have only the folders shown in the image, and you can delete the extra folders that Blu-ray uses.

What I was talking about with *.clpi and *.mpls was the contents of the files and not the file names. If you open the files with a text editor or a hex editor, the commercially-authored AVCHD would begin with HDMV0100 and MPLS0100 respectively. You can just use a text editor or a hex editor to change the 2 to a 1, but so far I haven't ran across a player that had a problem with the 2.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z109/alluringreality/AVCHD.png

[DK]

Tried the following to no avail:

a)
- BDMV
-- Backup
-- Clipinf
-- Playlist
-- Stream
-Certificate
-- Backup
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

b)
- BDMV
-- Backup
-- Clipinf
-- Playlist
-- Stream
index.bdmv
movieobject.bdmv

Nothing works.

Thanx for your input so far!

[GaPony]

Try removing the \BDMV\Backup folder entirely.

[alluringreality]

Nothing works.

I'm scratching my head on what I would try. I would probably see if I could get the player to play an AVCHD disk created with commercial authoring software. If a commercially-authored AVCHD didn't work then I'd probably try complaining to Samsung, and if it did happen to work then it could provide a comparison to figure out what was different and keeping the Movie-Only disc from working. Programs like Corel VideoStudio, Nero Vision, and TotalMedia Extreme will allow you to author a video clip to AVCHD, and I think they might all have had free trials at one time or other.

The only other item I ever remember reading about with any Samsungs was about shutting off 24p http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16004283#post16004283.

[DK]

Try removing the \BDMV\Backup folder entirely.

Tried this as well and NO :mad:


Programs like Corel VideoStudio, Nero Vision, and TotalMedia Extreme will allow you to author a video clip to AVCHD, and I think they might all have had free trials at one time or other.

I'll see if I find any of those.

Regarding the 24film isssue: I'll check this but I doubt it makes a difference as the media will be ejected very soon after loading w/out any such green flash.

++++

24film setting did NOT help
Could "Booktypes" change anything?
I wonder if BD-R or BD-RE could be set instead of DVD-ROM.

[GaPony]

Maybe some consideration of exchanging this player for one of those listed to be compatible, is in order.

[DK]

I have had the 2500 in use before but it did not play ~1/3 of all my Blu-rays and that's why I exchanged it for this brand new 1600, which so far plays everything more thanf ine except BD-9.

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.

[jdobbs]

I have had the 2500 in use before but it did not play ~1/3 of all my Blu-rays and that's why I exchanged it for this brand new 1600, which so far plays everything more thanf ine except BD-9.

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.
The player senses a different disc type (different laser) and may access an alternate code-stream/path. When it knows the source is a red laser, it expects a DVD as opposed to a BD...

[Ghitulescu]

I still don't understand why converted 8.x GB data burned to a BD-RE play whereas the same data burned to DVD double-layer don't.
It's like feeding the digital-coax with a digital-optical cable expecting it to work because the signal is the same. It's the medium that makes the difference.

If you read one of my posts, you'll find there a comparison to miniDVD, which was a CD-R containing DVD video. Very few players could cope with such a "strange" format. Despite the capability was present.

BD5/BD9 is tolerated just because the BD-R and -RE standard and technic was not ready in time, so this would have delayed the sales on HDTV-camcorders.

That's why AVCHD discs on DVD (a sort of BD5/BD9) appeared before the BD-R standard, being a sort of BluRay Disc "lite".

[turbojet]

Samsung BD-P1600 should probably be added to the not compatible list then.

LG BD370 reported working with at least movie only backups (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1264293#post1264293) I'm still waiting to hear if it was full backups or movie only he was referring to though, but at least it can be added to movie only for now.

Also shouldn't Fully backup be full backup?

And regarding Philips BDP 7200 (Maybe have trouble with multiple m2ts movies, can be solved though by extracting with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer)
doesn't movie only produce a single m2ts so this should be a non issue?

[Furiousflea]

Samsung BD-P1600 should probably be added to the not compatible list then.

LG BD370 reported working with at least movie only backups (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1264293#post1264293) I'm still waiting to hear if it was full backups or movie only he was referring to though, but at least it can be added to movie only for now.

Also shouldn't Fully backup be full backup?

And regarding Philips BDP 7200 (Maybe have trouble with multiple m2ts movies, can be solved though by extracting with eac3to and then creating bd output in tsmuxer)
doesn't movie only produce a single m2ts so this should be a non issue?

Not nessacarily, BD-RB would always join up the m2ts though. (?)

I'll swap the other bits after I've had a coffee n a smoke n woken up...my brains somewhere else right now...It's difficult pressing buttons.

[turbojet]

The 3 seamless branching BD's I've done with BD-RB and movie only have processed this way from what I remember:

1. open playlist in tsmuxer and demux audio and subs
2. encode video of each m2ts separately
3. mux by appending all video streams and the audio/sub created in step 1 resulting in a single m2ts.

It's kind of a unique way of doing things but it does seem to work well and it's fast. Trying this outside of BD-RB is a ton of work.

Demuxing video from a seamless branched playlist in tsmuxer results in a corrupt video stream.
eac3to demuxing does work but it takes usually more then twice as long to demux then tsmuxer even on single m2ts BD's.

[zem]

Hey there,
Maybe somebody else pointed this out, but as the first page of this thread makes no mention of it...
Could anybody else re-check a BD9 with menus on the PS3 with the new firmware (2.70) ? I only have one of those (13 Ghosts), and it's working with menus and extras. I'm rebuilding another BD9 with menus as I speak, hope to be able to check tonight.

[turbojet]

Zem: European, USA or asian PS3?
Is there anything in the BDJO directory of 13 ghosts?

[zem]

It's a european PS3, first generation. I'm not at home right now, I'll check the disc tonight.

[turbojet]

Oh ok there was another report awhile ago of a european first gen PS3 playing full backups with hdmv menu (empty bdjo directory) but still definitely worth a try of latest firmware in other regions.

edit: It would also be interesting to see if first gen european players play BDJ menus (bdjo directory is not empty)

[turbojet]

A few things to add to movie only list:

LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic DMP-BD10
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Pioneer BDP-94HD
Samsung BDP1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000

I'm all done now. Also you might want to mention that if you have a player that isn't playing a movie only output on DVD try using the strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory, if that doesn't help try deleting CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories

[Furiousflea]

A few things to add to movie only list:

LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
LG BH370 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)
Memorex MVBD-2510 (with Dec 24 2008 or later firmware)
Memorex MVBD-2511
Panasonic DMP-BD10
Pioneer BDP-51FD (use strict AVCHD option OR delete AUXDATA directory)
Samsung BDP1200 (prior to firmware 2.3)

Cheers very much! :)

[turbojet]

You missed

MOVIE ONLY
Pioneer BDP-94HD

and

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000
Samsung BDP1600

in the first post and LG BH300 is listed twice.

[Furiousflea]

You missed

MOVIE ONLY
Pioneer BDP-94HD

and

NOT COMPATIBLE
Samsung BDP1000
Samsung BDP1600

in the first post and LG BH300 is listed twice.

BH300 isn't listed twice ;)

Thanks for the others...bit duhhhhhhhh today :)

[turbojet]

BH300 isn't listed twice ;)

Thanks for the others...bit duhhhhhhhh today :)

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

[Furiousflea]

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

...Well thanx again :)

Hopefully for the last time today ;)

[Furiousflea]

LG BD300
LG BH300 (may need to use strict AVCHD option OR delete CERTIFICATE/AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META directories)

it's really BH300

and you forgot to remove the unnecessary info attached to the phillips player

no problem

I dunno, that was posted by someone in this forum a page or two back. Are you sure it will play "movie only" backups like WallE\Ratatouille?

BDRB doesn't join m2ts....or does it...If it does then obviously it will go.....


Thanx for your time.

[turbojet]

It joins them in movie only mode (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1272045#post1272045) which is the section it is under.

[Furiousflea]

It joins them in movie only mode (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1272045#post1272045) which is the section it is under.

Cool cheers for clarifying.

[drmih]

I have just done Twilight to BD-9 and have the audio issue on a Sony 550. There is no pip from what I can see but what does seem to be in common with the titles I've had before (universal primarily) is that the main english language track is HD_MASTER.

[turbojet]

Seems like Samsung BD-P1500 and BD-P2500 can be put in full backup category accoding to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144399) but the AUXDATA directory has to be deleted.

[yonexsp]

The Samsung BD-UP5000 does NOT work for anything

[Furiousflea]

Thanks peeps, updated :)

[deank]

The Samsung BD-UP5000 does NOT work for anything

Did you try to update to FW 1.4? (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=&disp_nm=BD-UP5000&model_cd=&menu=download)

[yonexsp]

Did you try to update to FW 1.4? (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/download/supportDown.do?group=&type=&subtype=&model_nm=BD-UP5000/XAA&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=&disp_nm=BD-UP5000&model_cd=&menu=download)


It's my mates machine, I believe he did

[Furiousflea]

It's my mates machine, I believe he did

In that case it's coming off the list. Please verify first hand that it doesn't work for any writeable media. Thanks :)

[drmih]

I have just done Twilight to BD-9 and have the audio issue on a Sony 550. There is no pip from what I can see but what does seem to be in common with the titles I've had before (universal primarily) is that the main english language track is HD_MASTER.

For information, I have now re-done Twilight but leaving the audio untouched to bd-25. Everything is perfect so I'm leaning towards something to do with the audio.

[zem]

Oh ok there was another report awhile ago of a european first gen PS3 playing full backups with hdmv menu (empty bdjo directory) but still definitely worth a try of latest firmware in other regions.

edit: It would also be interesting to see if first gen european players play BDJ menus (bdjo directory is not empty)

Hey guys, sorry for not getting back sooner. Ok, there's no BDJO directory at all on this disc (It's not my rip, dunno if it was there on the original disc). I did another reencode of a movie with BDJO data which didn't work in the ps3. So it's probably not related to the firmware. I'm doing another full backup of another movie with empty BDJO and let you know the result...

[turbojet]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

[Furiousflea]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

Cheers, updated OP. :)

[GaPony]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

I would pretty much agree with this assessment. (So far as BD5/BD9 are concerned)

[zem]

Cheers, updated OP. :)

You guys are a bit fast... :) So far only one disc with no BDJO directory worked, and another with BDJO didn't. I have another empty BDJO disc reencoding right now. I'll let you know as soon as I have some result.

[ironleg1963]

I am very confused about blu ray players stand alone and computer. I have not bought a drive yet because Im not sure what to get. I am looking at getting a settop bx for the tv, one for the computer and one for a laptop. I want it to do the avchd, full movies, hi def read write, everything andbe compatable with almost all media. with the computers I plan on updating to windows 7 when it is final.
Any help is appriciated, I have been using the 123 ver of dvdrebuilder pro because I just have regular dvd drives for now until I can find out what to purchase that will work with anything thrown at it.

thanks!

ironleg1963

[drmih]

I am very confused about blu ray players stand alone and computer. I have not bought a drive yet because Im not sure what to get. I am looking at getting a settop bx for the tv, one for the computer and one for a laptop. I want it to do the avchd, full movies, hi def read write, everything andbe compatable with almost all media. with the computers I plan on updating to windows 7 when it is final.
Any help is appriciated, I have been using the 123 ver of dvdrebuilder pro because I just have regular dvd drives for now until I can find out what to purchase that will work with anything thrown at it.

thanks!

ironleg1963

Computer wise there isn't an issue (and this isn't about pc solutions) as I think that most drives with current firmware and in conjunction with a product like Anydvd will handle original discs, ripping and play nearly any variation of content put on disc.
The thread deals with which standalone blu ray players can handle blu-ray content put on to writeable media, whether it be bd-re, bd-25, dvd-9, or dvd-5. Very basically, Sony players are the best solution at the moment for compatibility.

[Bundy00]

Hi there,

I have a problem with this constellation:

I've re-encoded Hellboy2 (full) without any errors with latest Rebuilder version, lastest TsMuxeR version.
(I get around the problem with VC1 interlaced by using the INI para MIN_M2TS_SIZE=460).

When I try to play it with my Pana BD35 (Firmware 1.4) I get the Universal trailer and then the main menu.

If I choose the language (no matter if german or english) nothing happens and player just stops. (It really shows STOP in the panel menu).

Some days ago I did a full rebuild of Quantum of Solace.
Here I ran into the Pana 24p issue - plays fine with 24p disabled but only sound with 24p enabled. (During rebuild I had an older TsMuxeR in place).

But why is Hellboy2 just stopping in the main menu??

Any idea?

Thanks in advance...

[Bundy00]

Sorry - I accidently choosed the wrong thread... :o

I added this to the bug report.

[Furiousflea]

Tsmuxer 1.9.9 is NOT compatible with my Sony BDP-S550 :scared:

turbojet if you read this, just to confirm my earlier post about having problems with a newer version than 1.8.35.

Anyway, I've tried on 2 seperate discs (Ghost Town and The Illusionist). Both refuse to even boot on the S550 and have been fully verified as working\readable.

They are recognised by powerdvd jusr for reference.

maybe it's something to do with BDRB not passing along the correct commandline to select the new modes (bd\avchd) that have been introduced in recent versions.

[turbojet]

1.8.35 was the first version to change --bluray the switch BD-RB uses.
It's also why I suggest 1.8.34 for those that need to mux TrueHD but I remember someone writing 1.8.35 works but 1.8.34 doesn't which is very strange.

Was that movie only or full backup?

[Furiousflea]

1.8.35 was the first version to change --bluray the switch BD-RB uses.
It's also why I suggest 1.8.34 for those that need to mux TrueHD but I remember someone writing 1.8.35 works but 1.8.34 doesn't which is very strange.

Was that movie only or full backup?

Full backup mate to a BD25

Yes I was using 1.8.35 before but decided to upgrade after (i think it was you) mentioned about the backups not working on many SAPs. It worked with my S550 but I think that is one of the few along with the other Sony players that will play anything near enough...

[turbojet]

I can't imagine suggesting to use 1.8.35+ with BD-RB but I'm not sure 1.8.34 is safe either but looking at the changelog I'd assume it would be fine.

As far as I can tell full backup's only use m2ts and clpi files from tsmuxer but I could be wrong about this. The clpi files in both outputs of 1.9.x builds is identical but it varies a little from 1.8.4 - 1.8.34 builds. This might be a huge headache for jdobbs and it might mean using 1.8.30 - 1.8.34 for some time or writing his own muxer.

[Furiousflea]

I can't imagine suggesting to use 1.8.35+ with BD-RB but I'm not sure 1.8.34 is safe either but looking at the changelog I'd assume it would be fine.

As far as I can tell full backup's only use m2ts and clpi files from tsmuxer but I could be wrong about this. The clpi files in both outputs of 1.9.x builds is identical but it varies a little from 1.8.4 - 1.8.34 builds. This might be a huge headache for jdobbs and it might mean using 1.8.30 - 1.8.34 for some time or writing his own muxer.

lol no it wasn't you who recommended to upgrade, I shouldn't have used the word upgrade, more like "not use version 1.8.35" for above reasons. :)

Well, I'll be going back to that for now it looks. Shame since it really looked like 1.9.9 was the first fully non beta proper release with virtually all problems ironed out.

Thanks for posting your thoughts.

[deank]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

[yonexsp]

In that case it's coming off the list. Please verify first hand that it doesn't work for any writeable media. Thanks :)

I doesn't, verified

[Furiousflea]

I doesn't, verified

Thanks, just wanted to be sure as we can be. :)

[Furiousflea]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

Well, there's some weird stuff going on here...

I just did another backup, this time burnt to a BD-RE and it read fine (using tsmuxer 1.9.9). Burnt same files to a BD-R and it won't read it...

OK, you may say "cheap media" etc, and I'd say the same usually but the disc is 100% playable with no errors whatsoever in PowerDVD9. Also done full verify in image burn against the image with a perfect reading curve up to 6x at the end.

I will test another disc tomorrow, but I reckon that the way tsmuxer is working now by writing proper bluray structure is making everything choke...

Anyways, I know this all sounds doubtful and I'd dismiss posts like this as someone not knowing what their doing if I were you too...

Will post again tomorrow as I only just got out of bed for a fag n aint got nothing on so aint practical to be messing around encoding stuff :p

[GaPony]

You're saying that because txmuxer IS writing proper Blu-Ray structure, its creating a problem?

So when txmuxer isn't doing what's its supposed to do, everything works correctly? A bit counter-intuitive, I would think... :)

[turbojet]

In full-backup mode BD-RB uses the original index.bdmv so there is no difference if you use older or newer tsmuxer.

Also tsmuxer versions won't affect any BD-25 backups (with current BD-RB version).

I thought the same but BD-RB uses clpi files from TSMuxer and they changed a little bit from the known working one in 1.8.18.

Also the mpls files aren't a direct copy but I'm not sure how it changes those but they differ from TSMuxer 1.8.18 output.

[Furiousflea]

You're saying that because txmuxer IS writing proper Blu-Ray structure, its creating a problem?

So when txmuxer isn't doing what's its supposed to do, everything works correctly? A bit counter-intuitive, I would think... :)

Pretty much. I want to be certain so will do a couple more discs.

[deank]

I thought the same but BD-RB uses clpi files from TSMuxer and they changed a little bit from the known working one in 1.8.18.

Also the mpls files aren't a direct copy but I'm not sure how it changes those but they differ from TSMuxer 1.8.18 output.

I think BD-RB rewrites all clpi and mpls files - after all it is the most important thing and it's what BD-RB does to make full-backups (aside from the encoding).

Of course once jdobbs returns he'll shed more light.

[meatwad]

FuriousFlea: I gave you some wrong information on the Samsung 2500/2550. Apparently the 2500 region B player does play full backups but the 2550 region A player only plays movie only with strict avchd set.

Also I think it's safe to mention that first generation EU PS3's play full backups while every other PS3 doesn't.

turbojet, did you have to delete the auxfolder on the 2500 for full disc playback? I'm only asking because I've tested a few BD25 full disc backups on a friend's 2550 region A and they played fine without deleting it. If your full disc backups are BD9's then just ignore my post. I haven't tested any full disc backups on BD9 or 5. He wasn't sure about his firmware revision. BD-RE media was used. No TrueHD or DTS tracks. If they had them they were removed or converted.

Also, he tested a full disc backup with DTS on it burned with Ritek 2X BD-R media (I'm skeptical about the media even though it was verified) and it wouldn't play. The disc plays fine on my PC with the latest PowerDVD. I'm going to put the backup on a BD-RE to try to rule out if wouldn't play due to the media used. I used the stock version of BD-RB and I've read that the TSmuxer version included has issues with TrueHD and DTS so that too is in question.

[turbojet]

I didn't test it but the people that did were referring to deleting AUXDATA on BD5/9 and it's not part of AVCHD standard which is all the player claims to support on DVD.

It makes sense that BDR can play with it as retail BD's have that folder too and it's requred for bluray. I wouldn't be surprised if removing the directory would break playback on a BDR.

[zem]

You guys are a bit fast... :) So far only one disc with no BDJO directory worked, and another with BDJO didn't. I have another empty BDJO disc reencoding right now. I'll let you know as soon as I have some result.

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

[turbojet]

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

Hmm can you see if AVC-HD Patcher (http://v2pwpg.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pjbPR46gFDXFpZxe0_J9m4T6YN3dqy0Xq1ICRdjKwlvZgqWJiVZA5GjdO3Ggz9Pjajye6G0sCz_GqjDUsXtj7Qw/AVCHD-Patcher_1.06.rar?download) or goBD (http://212.36.7.36/sub/new/goBD-tool.exe) changes anything?

[deank]

Full-movie will work on BD-R disc not on DVD. Probably with goBD it will work, but it proved that not all PS3s will work.

[Furiousflea]

guys, remove the ps3 from the full backup category. I did 2 other backups which had empty BDJO directories and they show up as data disc. So I don't know what happened with this copy of 13 ghosts I got. I need to investigate :P. 13 ghosts shows up as AVCHD and has menus and extras. I don't get it...

Yeah will do...I suspected this might be the case.

[jdobbs]

I've been out for awhile and I'm not familiar with goBD... what does it do?

[GaPony]

I've been out for awhile and I'm not familiar with goBD... what does it do?

Its the little program Deank was working on to make full movie copies to BD5/BD9 work on the PS3... but it only seems to work for non-US versions of the PS3... I'm sure you commented on this before when he was first releasing it. :)

[shearer69]

Seems like Samsung BD-P1500 and BD-P2500 can be put in full backup category accoding to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144399) but the AUXDATA directory has to be deleted.

If it has previous firmare (dont upgrade to 2.3) you dont need delete anything I've backed 30+ bdr full backup to bd9 with no playback problems

[Furiousflea]

Enough is enough...

The PS3 obiously doesn't support BD5\BD9 (certainly not with latest firmware on BDJ discs), even then it's only the first EU versions right?

There hasn't been one report to my knowledge of any definate "THIS DOES WORK" with no doubts.

Removing until someone credible can catergorically state what does\does not work. Then we can never talk about it again :cool:

,,,well sorry you know what I mean though. No point constantly reporting contradictory information.

We need to know what does work and what doesn't from someone who has tried everything, what fw\region version etc.

[zem]

just for info, AVCHD patcher did the trick. My BD9 now work with menu and extras on the PS3. Thanks for the tip turbojet.

[DK]

Because the Samsung BD-P1600 I bought 3 weeks ago does not play any AVCHD/MINI BD material burned to Verbatim DVD+R DL (with almost any kind of structure this thread suggests), I contacted Samsung support by phone and email.

I was told the player should play AVCHD according to the specs (which I knew beforehand and because of which this new modell was chosen) and Samsung advised me to return the player.

Today I went to the store where I bought it w/OUT the player but with three different DVD+R DL with Movie-only AVCHD content and tested another Samsung BD-P1600:
again it completely failed!


I then tested LG 370, Samsung 4610 xeg + Pansonic BD 60

- LG 370 did play one (I did not test more than this one DVD) tested media absolutely fine.
The disc tested with the LG contained these subfolders:
-BDMV
--CLIPINF
--PLAYLIST
--BACKUP
--STREAM

Same disc also played fine with:
- Samsung BD-P4610 XEG
- Panasonic BD 60

Both player also played another disc with this structure:
- BDMV
--CLIPINF
--BACKUP
--BDJO
--JAR
--META
--PLAYLIST
--STREAM
- Certificate

- Sony 350 played this structure fine (did not test any other):
-BDMV
--CLIPINF
--PLAYLIST
--BACKUP
--STREAM


All titles are movie only 9gb burned with Imgburn on Verbatim DVD+R DL

[jdobbs]

Its the little program Deank was working on to make full movie copies to BD5/BD9 work on the PS3... but it only seems to work for non-US versions of the PS3... I'm sure you commented on this before when he was first releasing it. :)Ohh... yeah I'm familiar with DeanK's good work on compatibility... guess I forgot the name. When I get back to serious work on BD-RB (only had a couple of free days to fix a couple of bugs last weekend) I'll try to work with him to integrate it.

[prenz]

@DK: What Booktype has your BD9 set? Samsung BD-P 1600 won't play any AVCHD/BD-content off a DVD booktyped as 'DVD-ROM'. Change the Booktype to 'DVD+R' or 'DVD+RW' and the disc will play fine (even with VC1 and EAC3!) as long as you use strict AVCHD structure. Haven't tested this with BD9 though, only BD5.

[DK]

hello prenz,

i actually have set the default booktype to -rom and most if not all of my tests were done with this booktype.

i would have returend the player today had you not posted this piece of information.

will test this after work and get back to you here.

maybe it will save me quite some money but i am more than p%&§ed off that the Samsung support which i have contacted THREE times is not able to provide this kind of information.

all those sucker told me was the 1600 DOES play avchd when no single disc i created so far did not play on two different 1600 models.

incredible if booktype settings could actually change this.

thanx a ton for this advice! :thanks:

[deank]

Don't be so quick to blame samsung for what they've told you because you need to test real AVCHD first.

Download this sample, burn it to DVD and test. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AVSEO5G0)

You may want to leave only BDMV folder and remove AUXDATA/BDJO/JAR/META.

[DK]

Of course you're right not to jump to conclusions too fast but it is annoying that the discs I have done so far run fine on Samsung 1500, 2500 and 4610.

So I still consider this a case of inpropriate firmware management or quality control.

At least the "support" should be able to provide customers with decent information as to what runs fine according to their testing procedure.

And by the way I have already removed those subfolders you name and i did burn many many discs with different structure and none of them run on the bd-1600 so far.

But i will download the file you link and test the booktype later today.


Thanx everyone for your comments and suggestions!

[deank]

I'm sure it will work... also check if you have the latest firmware (I saw some updates for these models).

[DK]

I check the software update page for the bd-1600 multiple times a day and until last night there was no update available for this model.

recently fw were released for 1500 + 2500, that's true.

will let all of you know later tonite what booktype settings and your file may provide.

[prenz]

Sample from deank works fine on my 1600. Just had to remove AUXDATA, burnt to a +RW with +RW-Booktype set.

[DK]

Thank you so much, prenz!

Finally i got the Samsung BD-P1600 to play a BD9.

I use Imgburn for burning the Verbatim DVD+R DL media but i had to search for quite a while to find the option under "write" by the name of "automatically change book type" which i had to DISABLE in order no to set the book type to DVD-ROM but to the default dvd+r.

I used movie only, bd9 and NO auxdata and now the first of my many conversion runs on the Samsung 1600.

Will have to re-burn the other titels, which were burned with -rom booktype and which run fine on samsung 1500, 2500 and even 4610 but not the 1600 model.


The file deank linked also played fine burned to a dvd+rw with +rw booktype.



One more thing:
I had frozen images (sound played on) every 2-3 minutes with the 1600 set to 24p AND 1080p.
Disabled 24p and set to 1080i the first movie plays for quite a while without frozen images.

The frozen images btw will keep on playing after some 2-4 seconds but it repeats itself over and over again every 2-3 minutes with 24p film mode and 1080p.

[prenz]

Hi DK, glad to hear that this worked for you too! :)

I've been pondering a bit as to why the 1600 won't play a ROM-Booktype - maybe it's because a lot of bootlegged BD-/HD-Discs from Asian markets are actually pressed DVDs which contain AVCHD-Structures. I mailed the Samsung-Support about this, but I don't expect an honest response in that matter.

I guess Furiousflea can move the 1600 to the "Movie-Only"-Section (i'm gonna try Full Movie one of these days. My first try wasn't rejected by the player, but didn't play either - frozen with black screen)

I'm watching a BD5 right now (not BD-Rebuilder, but homebrewn using x264/eac3to/tsmuxer taken off a HDDVD), 1080p@24, but no freezers within the first 30 mins so far...

[deank]

Just a note... For example in Panasonic BD-3x user manual there is an explicit note that player DOES NOT support DVD-ROM media for JPEG/AVCHD playback. Take a look at your players' manuals.

[turbojet]

On avsforum at least 2 people reported these players playing with AVCHD camcorder clips which in theory should equate to movie only with strict avchd setting enabled.

Olevia BD-110
Panasonic DMP-BD80
Pioneer BDP-05FD
Pioneer BDP-LX70
Samsung BD-P3600
Samsung BD-P4610
Sony BDP-S1
Sony BDP-S5000ES

Some of these are discontinued, some are brand new. Nothing else has been tested on them.

[deank]

Camcoder AVCHD files have almost nothing to do with AVCHD output from tsmuxer/bd-rb/multiavchd/etc. As I posted a lot of times - what camcoders produce is a real avchd output, not the one from tsmuxer, so don't confuse them.

[turbojet]

I should have clarified myself a bit. Most of the camcorder clips were output as (m2)ts files that had to be converted to AVCHD, some used TSMuxer, some used Pinnacle Studio 12, some used Arcsoft, some used Nero. Some didn't mention what they used, unfortunately I didn't note it. But if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

At some point I will try to test Olevia BD-110, Panasonic DMP-BD80, Samsung BD-P3600, Samsung BD-P4600 at stores with various tsmuxer outputs. Unless someone beats me to it. But it's ok to leave them off the list until confirmed. I see DK has confirmed the Samsung BD-P4610 working with strict avchd setting enabled a few days ago.

deank: Also a bit OT but do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

[deank]

...if it's directly output from camcorder would there be differences in bdmv/clpi/mpls files compared to tsmuxer?

Yes. Otherwise tsmuxer's output (with compatible AVCHD video+audio) would have played back in the camcoder/avchd bd player via sdhc.

... Do you know if the differences in movieobject.bdmv of bluray output between 1.8.35-1.9.7 vs 1.9.8-1.9.9 affects playability?

No. movieobject.bdmv is the ONLY file that has no impact on BDMV/AVCHD modes. Some players will ignore certain nav-commands in movieobject if in true AVCHD mode (like setsecondstream/pip).

[dav88]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

[turbojet]

Don't know if this has been mentioned but just upgraded to firmware 2.4 on BD-P1500 and all my bluray on dvd play now. It has all the folders(auxdata etc.).

Is this full backup or movie only?

[dav88]

It's movie only.

[turbojet]

FuriousFlea: as of 0.28.08 movie only refers to strict avchd enabled only. Movie only without strict avchd won't play on most players. Maybe you want to change it to 'Movie Only (strict avchd enabled only)' ?

[DK]

Since posting in this thread that Samsung 1600 is MovieOnly comptabile (now that booktype issues have been solved thanks to members here) and writing a PN asking to add the 1600 to the compatible list, I'm posting here once again:

please add Samsung 1600

[Wolfe999]

I'm a little bit lost and tired, so please bear with me a little.

I've been using DVD Rebuilder pro some years now and yesterday I got my new PC (just for BD-Rebuilder... nothing else), an i7 920 with 6GB RAM, a decent graphic with 512 MG dedicated and an asus mobo... (I don't have the specs at hand) I don't even plan on conecting that machine to the net :)

JDobbs I think you are creating a fantastic program again and of course you'll soon get my first donation for this program).

OK, yesterday night I ripped the HULK and did it "movie only" (I plan on doing always only movie with no extras and 2 languages + 2 subs. I think everything went OK, though I'm not sure because I haven't been able to make Cyberlink PDVD read the image I created with Imgbrn and mounted on Elby VirtualCloneDrive. Always got the message format not recognized.

I installed MPC player and could see it (though very jumpy) and "saw" that the quality was awesome and all was synchronized.

I still have no Blu Ray Standalone player (for the moment I spent the money on my new PC). But I need you to recommend me one that "eats" my movie only... I didn't check the AVCHD on BD-Rebuilder, shall I have to do it? A friend of mine will buy the standalone player almost as soon as you recommend me one and will try the rips there for now. Well, now I'm gonna burn HULK on a DVD DL and just try it in my LG burner, but it won't be the same.

And last (sorry for the "rant".., I know I'm becoming lost in a vast garden) I want to keep my new PC as clean and uncluttered as possible. Besides the codecs that may come with Power DVD and the ones I had to install with BD Rebuilder, I haven't installed anything else. Can you tell me what else I have to install and the way to configure MPC so as to see smootly the resulting BD rip?

Another thing, I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9? I know this last night I read something about a guide written by FuriousFlea, but for my life that I can't find it now.

Sorry If I've went out of this thread at some moments and I'd really appreciate all the help that you can give me on these issues.

regards :)

[setarip_old]

@Wolfe999

Hi!I also bought some really cheap HD DVD and I'd like to know if I can convert them to BD9

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

[Wolfe999]

@Wolfe999

Hi!

Read the "HD-DVD" portion of this easy-to-follow guide by "Quadcore":

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

Thank you, setarip_old. I will try it. I suppose that if I rip the HD DVD complete and then convert it to Blu Ray, I could keep the languages and subs I'd want and use BD-Rebuilder, right? Well, I'll try it.

If anybody, you included setarip_old, can help me with the rest of the issues, it would be much appreciated. Especially the Power DVD thing. It seems everybody can play an ISO while I only receive the message format not compatible or unrecognized... :?:

Regards
Wolfe999 :)

[turbojet]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

[Wolfe999]

Wolfe999: if you replace tools\tsmuxer.exe with the exe from 1.10.6 (http://www.videohelp.com/download/tsMuxeR_1.10.6.zip) and check strict AVCHD in BD-Rebuilder it should play in powerDVD and all but 1 or 2 (both samsung) standalone players.

@turbojet: Thank you very much. A very useful info indeed. Tonight I will repeat HULK with the settings & change of exe you recommended. It's great to know that with the exception of those Samsung, the DVD's will play in all standalone's. :)

[turbojet]

Your welcome. I also forgot to mention that you can use the latest tsmuxergui on your already encoded output by inputting the PLAYLIST/00000.mpls, choosing avchd output and start muxing.

Also forgot to mention Sharp players don't play any backups of any kind other than that all tested play movie only.

As for a suggestion on a BD player if you are looking for playing full backups on dvd only some samsungs and sony players out of the ones tested currently work (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339).
If you are only going to play back movie only any player except Sharp's play so it really depends on the other features, brand bias, price, etc.

A few things that may be intriguing:
- Panasonic playback of AVCHD from SDHC cards
- LG BD390 playing mkv/mp4/divx/xvid
- Panasonic playback of divx/xvid
- netflix/amazon streaming

[Wolfe999]

@turbojet: Yeah, I will always do movie only backups. I prefer to give all the space possible to quality of the movie. Besides, and it's jus my opinion, of course, with the exception of a few movies and some good editions (kind of Criterion), the extras are almost always filler, so for me are not worthwhile.

From what I was reading last night, I was going to choose Sony, but I like the alternative you give of the Panasonic & LG.

Thanx again :)

[spiffy]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

[GaPony]

Sorry if this is slightly not on topic; but I'm having a hard time locating a brand new (unopened) unit of Sony BDP-S550; even the Sony store is only selling refurbished ones. My local store (Fry's) tells me it's discontinued; can anyone give me some suggestions on what should I do to get full compatibility, or should I bite the bullet and get an open box one? Thanks in advance!

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

[spiffy]

Unless you just happen to require the 7-channel analog output, find yourself a deal on a Sony BDP-S350. They are pretty much identical with that one exception. If you want the newer model, look for the BDP-S360.

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

[GaPony]

Thank you, GaPony; is it confirmed that BDP-S360 has full compatibility just as the previous models?

I can't speak for the BDP-S360, since its brand new to market, but a friend of mine has the BDP-S350 and it does everything just as well as my BDP-S550, with the exception of the 7-channel analog outputs. In full disclosure, neither of us spend alot of time messing around with a bunch of custom setting for any particular movie, so my comments are directed to quality audio and video playback of just popping in the disc and watching the movie. :)

My guess is that Sony has taken some lessons learned from the BDP-S350 and applied them to the newer BDP-S360, and the same will likely be true for the BDP-S550 in regards to the BDP-S560, when it comes to market. Sony has a good record of improving things with each new model.

I would recommend going to an electronics store with a couple of copies (copied with some varying BD-RB settings) and see how well they play on whatever player you are considering purchasing. Running around to other friends houses to see if your copies work on their setups is also a good idea.

[drmih]

I have just discovered that the issue with Sony players and Universal and or PiP discs is nothing to do with the encoding. I took the same bd-9 full disc output and burnt it to a bd-re and it played fine in a sony 550. I then burnt it to a bd-9 and the audio couldn't be selected.
Not sure what is going on.

[user822]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

[DK]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

[GaPony]

Thinking about that now....
If i buy a bd-p1500 should i better NOT update the Firmware to keep it compatible?

Actually... you should buy the Sony BDP-S360 instead. :) I have the Sammy BDP-2500 and it offers NetFlix streaming, but its a long way from Blu-Ray quality, so I don't bother.

[Wombler]

I found this guide (http://www.corusa.com/public/Blu-Ray_Backup_Guide_milOtis.pdf) cited on another forum which purportedly creates BD-5s that will play on any Blu-Ray player.

The author claims this is possible by taking the BD-Rebuilder output, patching the index.bdmv file then burning with the UDF 2.50 file system.

Naturally I take all these claims with a large degree of scepticism as the guys here have probably already done this to death but is there any element of truth in these claims?

BTW the first bit of this PDF just goes through the standard ripping/BD-RB procedure and the relevant stuff is from page 25 onwards.


Wombler

[deank]

Congratulations! You have successfully backup up a Blu‐Ray disc to a BD‐5 DVD! Since we patched the index file, and burned
the DVD in UDF 2.50 format, this disc will be playable in any home/set‐top or computer Blu‐Ray player!

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

[GaPony]

I'd say he's take a very long way around to create a movie only copy to BD5. BD-Rebuilder is currently quite capable of creating a movie only copy to BD5 discs that will play on "most" players without all the hocus pocus stuff that writer was talking about. Its the full movie backups that are problematic for many people.

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

[deank]

Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1296498#post1296498) is an interesting one...

[Wombler]

I wonder if he ever tested what he described and even if he did, how many "blu-ray players" did he test with to state so bravely that it will work in "all".

AVCHD patcher is a simple tool that adds some bytes (if index.bdmv if from BDRB's full backup ouput) in index.bdmv which may work for some bd discs (especially when played in ps3), but that's it.

Thanks for the clarification deank.

I thought this was nonsense but wasn't entirely sure.


Wombler

[Wombler]

Personally, I just don't see the need to use Daemon Tools, or to bother mounting/dismounting ISO images. A simple "Rip to Hard Drive" with AnyDVD-HD is all that's required.

I think the writer needs to do some more testing and research... he has many flaws.

My thoughts exactly, there's no need to mess around with ISOs and it's a lot simpler without that.


Wombler

[GaPony]

Its probably a fool's errand to even attempt any sort of detailed guide at this point. All the programs being used, for the most part, are undergoing rapid changes in development and any written guide is going to be obsolete as soon as its published. The same is true with Blu-Ray players... lots of new models, lots of firmware updates, its very difficult to tell whats going to work with what combination of copying tools, and whith what settings used.

Furiousflea has as good a list of compatible players that I've seen, and the BD_Rebuilder guide posted here on this forum is a good as one can expect.

[Category 5]

i wouldnt buy the older 1500 - go for the new 1600 instead; it's a great player now that i know that AVCHD requires +R as booktype.

same goes for the 3600 as well.
friend of mine got the 3600 and like my 1600 it only accepts AVCHD when +R is used as booktype but not -ROM.

it is annoying btw to see that this thread has NOT been updated and still wrongfully states the samsung 1600 as NOT compatible which is wrong though i have pointed out in this thread that using a different booktype setting changes solves the issue and also send a PN, which was ignored.

Trying to figure this out in IMGBurn but can't

What do I change to get this working?

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

[Category 5]

@Category 5

Hi!

Click on the following link:

www.forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9992

thanks setarip. I changed it to normal (only other options are dvd-rom and dvd-rw) but when it burns imgburn still says booktype:dvd-rom and of course the resultant disc fails to play on my 1600

[setarip_old]

@Category 5

It may be, as it was with a Pioneer burner that I have on one of my systems, that your burner automatically sets D/L media as "DVD-ROM"...

[DK]

Since the link Setarip posted does not work for me I cant judge what solution has been proposed but in my case i had to UNcheck the topmost box: Auto "change booktype" in order for my LG burner to use +R as booktype for the DVD-DL media.

[tyau]

Good news. A friend of 20 years has a new addition to his home theater: the Sony BDP-S360.

I lent him a couple of my BD-RB BD5 movie-only and they play flawlessly. Full movie works as well. However, because my friend of 20 years refuses to let me into his home, I can only confirm by what he is telling me. All formats of BD-RB DVD discs work.

[GaPony]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.

[tyau]

That's an interesting "friendship" you have. :)

I would expect the S-360 to work pretty much like the S-350.


LOL!!! Yeah I believe he is a germ-phobic. Having his grandchild living with him makes him even more conscious of germs and people bringing in bacteria from the outside.

Anyway, I believe the S-360 being very similar to the S-350. Perhaps the S-360 has more features and made in China compared to the S-350 with less features and made in Japan. That's just my speculation; I haven't done a research on it. I already have a Sony S-550.

I find it a pleasant surprise that the S-360 plays backup media produced by BD-RB. At least Sony isn't making any moves (yet) to counter the "media backup community". My Sharp player only plays original copies of BD.

[GaPony]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)

[jdobbs]

Its going to be difficult for manufacturers to build a player to thwart copies as long as more and more start supporting AVCHD. As long as people keep building HD video cameras, AVCHD will do nothing but grow.

Your Sharp doesn't support AVCHD? Have you checked for firmware updates?

I pickup my 2 y/o grandson from daycare and babysit pretty often. I'm convinced that adults need biohazard suits to safely walk into those places... They are nothing but biological weapons laboratories. I swear that I can sometimes feel the germs attacking me before I can even get out of the building :)My wife is a teacher... she brings the lab home... :)

[chiholam]

Hi there

Have been reading through this thread, others on Doom9 and many on AVForums regarding the BD-RB and standalone players. Had the Panasonic BD35, and returned that due to not working with any BD25/9s, and now have the choice of either the Samsung BD-1600, and LG BD370. Originally bought the BD1600, but returned it, because it wouldn't work with BD9 AVCHD - had removed the AUXDATA - but only just read today that I should have also leave the book-type unchanged (was previously set to Auto/DVD-ROM in imgburn).

Then bought the LG BD370 and that appears to work with BD9/AVCHD, but also appears to be 'flakey' - doesn't work with a BD25 of Seven Pounds - would not load the menu (whereas the BD-1600 worked with this), crashed after 30mins of a DVDR (House), and crashed after 5 mins of a BD9 of Mall Cop. Had already made sure I had the latest firmware.

I've got a replacement (unopened) LG BD370 in case it was just a bad box – not opened it yet as I saw that the Samsung BD-1600 may also work now.

What's the consensus here - which has better compatibility BD-1600, or BD370? Looks pretty must the same – assuming the booktype is set correctly for the BD-1600. I also make XBox360 backups, which I believe must have DVD-ROM booktype set, so I'd have to remember every time to change the book type for the XB360, or BD9 if I buy was the BD-1600 - pain in the butt, but not exactly the end of the world!

Predominately I think I would be using BD25s. For BD9s I would like to do Full backup, if nothing else than to maintain the chapter positions/menus - or is there a way to do Movie only, and keep chapter positions (ie.e not have it set every 5 mins).

From looking at various posts, Ryu77 has the BD370 (and appears to be loving it), and DK has the BD-1600 (and appears to be loving that now we know about the +R DL Book-type/No AuxData combination). So, I suppose this post may be for them and confirmation of any further limitations on the BD-RB compatibility, or any other in general?

Thanks in advance for all your help/opinions

[DK]

hi chiholam,

i can only speak for the 1600 as i have tested the lg only with 2-3 titles (bd-9 / -rom / all worked).

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.

all those titles were not made with the very latest version of bd-rb but other titles made at the same time or shortly before or after (it's hard to judge this precisely now) still run.

i have phoned samsung hotline and again they were of no help - i think that maybe downgrading the fw to whatever might exists apart from 1.02 MAY get me back to a fully working 1600.

on the 3600 it is said btw that the latest fw update (came out the same day as the 1.02 for my 1600 and that was the reason why i updated at all) made the player handle -rom (friend of mine said so with his 3600)

this fw update experience in combination with a hotline that cannot and doesnt want to help you out on a matter which might be solved easily by donwgrading the fw leaves me at a point where i must say: no more samsung for me until there support gets WAY better.


all my bd25 copies and original bds do run fine however


++++

btw would anyone know if it is possible to save an existing fw from a samsung player to usb in order to use this fw on another player?

since the support is no help at all i will try to get hold of a fw for the 1600 which is < 1.02

[GaPony]

i was extremely happy with the 1600 after being told to use +r instead of -rom which made all my titles play - UNTIL 3 days ago when the latest 1.02 fw was made available.

after this update i have found 9 of my previously bd-9 copies NOT working anymore!
i have no idea why - will check the structure as best i can (and dont expect too much) and maybe i will run the bd-9 data through latest bd-rebuilder or tsmuxer again and burn some of them to see IF something changes.


The latest firmware for the BD-P1600 is v.1.03 (06/10/2009)

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/support.do?group=audiovideo&type=blu_ray&subtype=blu_raydiscplayers&model_nm=BD-P1600&language=&cate_type=all&dType=D&mType=FM&vType=&prd_ia_cd=03020100&disp_nm=BD-P1600&model_cd=BD-P1600/XAA&menu=download