DVD(multiple audio/angle)>AVI/MKV

[estugarda]

Hello there,

I have a DVD which I want ripped to some container. Best would be MKV with h264. The DVD has multiple chapters, angles and audio tracks. I want them all to be ripped. I was trying to do this using GordianKnot and virtualdub, but always ended up with clipping video or sound. Or sound out of sync. The porblem is in angles I think. So this is my main question:

1. How can I rip a DVD with multiple angles, chapters and audiotracks properly? I would be happy with some kind of tutorial. I wasn't able to find one yet which would cover the multiple angles.

...and additional question:

2. Is it possible, in meanwhile, to rip the DVD menu as well?


Thank you...

[CWR03]

I don't think you can get multiple angles into any file.

[estugarda]

Any other thoughts on this?

[RunningSkittle]

For what you want, it would just be easier to keep the original .iso

[estugarda]

I know, but easier is not always better, ay?
So if there is a way, please explain. A tutorial would do...

[setarip_old]

Hi!

What you want cannot be accomplished.

The only way that I'm aware of to retain angles and the original DVD menu is to make a backup of the DVD, either as a conventional DVD "package" of files (.IFOs, .BUPs, and .VOBs) or as an .ISO (or .IMG) image file...

[estugarda]

I can live without the menu but I would like to keep the angles. Is it possible to rip the separate angles and then pack them as multiple video tracks inside a mkv container?

[dat720]

As MKV supports Multiple video tracks, the answer to that would be yes, a quick google or a quick test would have told you the same thing.....

[estugarda]

dat720; I knew the answer is yes. My last question was not precise enough. I know MKV supports multiple video tracks. I just don't know how to do it right. How to rip angles separately and how to implement them inside container with right timing...
So the question here is:

How to do it? (Which software to use?)

[setarip_old]

The new arrival on the scene, "MakeMKV" should do precisely what you are now saying you wish to accomplish...

[dat720]

MKVMerge can also do it....

[setarip_old]

@dat720

Hi!

If I remember correctly, MKVMerge has no DVD ripping capability, whereas MakeMKV is a "one-click" product that will rip a DVD and convert it to MKV...

[RunningSkittle]

it wont be able to handle angles though

[setarip_old]

Actually, it handles angles in precisely the manner requested by the OP in post #9How to rip angles separately

To see what I'm referring to, use the program to rip/convert the recently released "Death Race" (Jason Statham - not David Carradine)...

[estugarda]

MakeMKV seems to be a nice little tool. It rips a DVD to MKV with all video(lossless to MPEG2), audio, subtitles and chapter tracks in one button click. That's great. However it doesn't seem to rip separate angles. It doesn't recognize multiple angles prior to ripping. I tried it, but there is only one video track in the mkv, once its ripped. Also angles in the menus are not available in all the players I tried (MP, BS, VLS). I also couldn't find any info on ripping angles in the program itself ot on the MakeMKV website. I guess it can't rip angles.

[setarip_old]

Also angles in the menus are not available in all the players I tried (MP, BS, VLS)From what I've seen, "MakeMKV" doesn't save/preserve menus. What are you referring to?

What is the Title and Region number of the specific DVD you're talking about?

[estugarda]

I thought about menus in software like VLC, not the menus of DVDs. I just wanted to say that once ripped to mkv with MAkeMKV, there is no option to change the angle in players. MakeMKV doesn't rip multiple angles. It just rips the deafult angle and makes one video track. I don't see how would DVDs title and region matter.

[setarip_old]

I'm sorry, but your posts are getting confusing to me:How to rip angles separatelythere is no option to change the angle in players.In the example I gave ("Death Race"), MakeMKV, created two FULL separate MKV titles, whose combined filesize greatly exceeded the filesize on the actual DVD, allowing for the selection (under VLC or similar) of either the "theatrical" or "extended" version. I don't know if the DVD was created using angles or another method to accomplish this.

I thought about menus in software like VLC, not the menus of DVDs.VLC cannot display any menus (I presume you're referring to the "Navigation") unless it can access such information from the files that are being accessed. You should, however, be able to go from/to next/previous chapters..

I don't see how would DVDs title and region matter.At least two reasons (Since you've posted seeking advice, I find it odd that you would question this):

1) I have an extremely large DVD collection and I may have the same DVD. This would allow me to possibly develop additional information directly

2) Researching the particular DVD online might also bring additional information to light

[estugarda]

Sorry for getting you confused. Probably it's the language barrier. My English is not best.

When I said "rip angles separately" I thought about ripping a separate video track for each angle. I don't know about "Death Race", but when I rip this DVD with MakeMKV, all I get is a MKV container file with MPEG2 video track (containing only default angle), audio tracks, chapters and subtitles. No multiple video tracks are in there. And inside "MakeMKV" app, there are no options to enable or disable angles. Also on the MakeMKV website and their forum, multiple angles aren't even mentioned.

I can go from chapter to chapter inside VLC in this MKV ripped by Make MKV. No problem with that. But there is only one video track, and no "change angle" buttons.
BTW VLC can display DVD menus. However, I was referring to classic application menus. You know; "File", "Edit"...."Help"...and so on...

I still don't understand why would the region matter, but you are right about the other things. The thing is that I don't have the DVD at the moment, I got all the DVD files on my HDD. It's the Metallicas; "S&M"; double DVD edition.
The structure of first DVD is like this:
1. DVD Menu - stereo sound
2. Concert - divided into songs by chapters, few of these songs have multiple angles (4), there are 4 audio tracks
3. Additional video with stereo sound
4. Documentary with stereo sound.

To sum once again; when ripped with MakeMKV, I got 3 files;
1. title00.mkv - the concert with all songs divided by chapters, with all audio tracks and subs and with only one video track - no angles
2. title00.mkv - additional video with stereo sound
3. title00.mkv - documentary with stereo sound.

Size of those 3 ripped files is aprox. 6GB, and the size of DVD is 8,2GB. The 2,2GB difference are probably those angles that are missing in ripped files. So MakeMKV is not ripping multiple angles...Maybe because of complicated DVD structure. I don't know...

[setarip_old]

The thing is that I don't have the DVD at the moment, I got all the DVD files on my HDD.Then you didn't use "MakeMKV" to actually rip/decrypt the original DVD. This MAY make a difference in the results you've obtained.

What program and procedures did you use to rip/decrypt your original DVD to your hard drive?

[RunningSkittle]

@setarip: Im not sure you fully understand how angles work...

[setarip_old]

@RunningSkittle

Hi!@setarip: Im not sure you fully understand how angles work...
That's why I said,I don't know if the DVD was created using angles or another method to accomplish this.From what I do understand with regard to "Death Race", it could be angles, using ILVUs, common cells shared...

[estugarda]

I didn't say I decrypted it with MakeMKV. I should have said that I haven't, though.
I didn't decrypt it. Someone else did and I can't say with what app. But, since multiple angles work when played from HDD, why wouldn't they work in MakeMKV if it was able to do it? OK there is a small possibility that it is a decrypting problem. But there is absolutely no evidence that MakeMKV can rip angles. Don't you think it would be stated somwhere inside app or on their website if it could!? There is a long list of what MakeMKV can do, and not a trace of ripping angles.

[RunningSkittle]

If I was going to rip, I would use dvddecrypter in ifo mode, split by cell id, keeping all angles, and keep the angle information in the file names. You would have all of the main movie cells, and easily be able to identify which cells are angle two.

Then I would index two versions. One d2v would keep angle one. One d2v would keep angle two. This is obviously less than optimal... your file size would be double for something so simple. Can the MKV container use timecodes or something?

[dat720]

estugarda if the files we're ripped by another person with an unknown program, how can you be sure that the angles even still exist in the rip?

This feels like it is getting very close to rule 6 territory.

[estugarda]

A word from MakeMKV creator:
"Currently the tool always selects angle 0.
There is no "good" way to put multiple angles into MKV. Copying multiple angles to multiple video tracks will bloat mkv file too much (on DVD identical video is stored once). There were plans to produce multiple MKV files per angle, but for now it is just angle zero. There are not many disks that have "interesting" multi-angle tracks."

So it's a no go.
This is it for me.

Thanks for your help.