1st rip, 2 problems

[Sixr]

My first rip experience.

First I need to thank Doom9 and DVD2SVCD for shortening the learning curve immensely. They made an otherwise daunting undertaking, child's play. Download 2 packages, hunt down an unmentionable, install, turn it loose with defaults, and go to bed. Amazing.. <S>

I ran into 2 problems though. It died in the night processing, and the first cue file was illegal.

I ran on a new build.
XP1900+
Soyo dragon+
512 pc2100
2 IBM 60gb
Liteon 24/10/40
Liteon DVD 163
GF2-64 Pro
Win98se

- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.6 build 1
A Bugs Life 95min NTSC 4:3
Default settings except for audio, I put it on max. Changed CD size to 800 on all.
I started - 1/18/02 9:19:01 PM
I went to bed at 2:00 and it showed ~2hrs to go. Encode was running around 1.46
In the morning the system had gone into some deep sleep mode. (forgot to turn that crap off.)
Restarted and ran Crash recovery. It picked up doing Pulldown
It looks like it died in the night doing Pulldown, - 1/19/02 3:26:16 AM
Everything finished in 20 min.
Total time would have been ~ 6.5 hrs.

I used Nero 5564 to burn the first bin but Nero refused and wasn't very helpful as to why it wasn't happy. I then tried CDRwin on the 1st cue file, it complained, ":invalid cue sheet command at line 29, index times are not in ascending order". Ok, a little more helpful. It tried the second cue file, and CDRwin burned a unplayable coaster. Back to Nero on the 2nd cue file. It burned fine at 24x (unbelievable 3 min burn) and it's perfect. My Apex 5131 plays it beautifully. Chapters and subs work great. The picture is awesome, almost DVD or Dish quality. Much better than any alternative.

Back to the illegal cue sheet. I opened it in notepad and it was pretty obvious what the problem was.
FILE "e:\rip\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE2/2352
FLAGS DCP
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 MODE2/2352
FLAGS DCP
INDEX 00 00:07:28
INDEX 01 00:09:28
---cut for space---
INDEX 17 69:16:61
INDEX 18 75:58:62
INDEX 19 76:58:46
INDEX 20 78:57:43
INDEX 21 79:44:44
INDEX 22 79:44:44
INDEX 23 79:44:44
INDEX 24 79:44:44
INDEX 25 79:44:44
INDEX 26 79:44:44
INDEX 27 79:44:44
INDEX 28 79:44:44

The file appears the have a bad stutter there at the end, so I lopped it off at Index 22 and saved it.
Nero burned it fine and it plays great. Amazing...

A question. Can you play the SVCD on a pc? I tried PowerDVD but it was a bad slide show.
Its probably something easy that I've already read about, but the volume of information is pretty staggering.
The leftovers in the rip directory look interesting, need to find the tools to make sense of them.

Next I want to try a 70min movie fast, cheap and dirty to see the difference.

Thanks again, donation will follow.

[markrb]

WinDVD and PowerDVD 4.0 can play SVCD's.
I have not tried PowerDVD 4.0 myself.

One thing that might help. After you finish creating the SVCD make sure to reboot. There are all kinds of resource and memory leaks in all the Windows OS's. A simple reboot will reset everything.

I use WinDVD all the time to check my SVCD burns with no problem.

Have you installed the PCI latency patch? It's for Via chipset motherboards and can be had at www.viahardware.com . It's not an official patch, but it does help. Current non beta is .19.

With Win98 I would also suggest you upgrade to the latest Via 4 in 1's currently 4.37. If you upgrade to XP don't install them unless you are having problems.

I would try crash recovery again from 3:2 pulldown. Sounds like something funny happened there.

I don't understand what you mean by MAX in your audio setting. If you set it to 384 back it down to at least 224.

CDRWIN is known to record coasters on purpose if the serial number is wrong. Have you succesfully recorded anything else with it since you put in that serial number?

Give those things a shot and see what happens.

Mark

[Wh00pS]

I would also slow the speed of your burning down,a lot of people on here only burn at 4x, 24x is just asking for trouble.

[Sixr]

PowerDVD works fine now.
All the drivers are current.
I had the audio set to 224.
I suspect your right about the CDRwin s/n, it was a quick grab when Nero didn't work.

I just finished Buzz Lightyear cheap and quick, One pass VBR. Took about 2+ hrs. I'm impressed, it doesn't look too bad at all. Better than tape at least.

[Sixr]

I was wrong about them playing ok, I'm missing more than 20 mins between cd1 and 2. Isnt that what the pulldown is doing, splitting it up? Did the restart get glitched? Is there a way to run it again on the mpv file, or view the mpv file to see if its missing 20 min?

[markrb]

No pulldown adds a flag to have the movie play at 29.97 frames per second. BBmpeg does the splitting.
I think you just had a glitch try another encode and see what happens.

BTW the MPV file can play in windows media player, but with no sound.
Check that to see if everything is there.
If so start crash recovery from Pulldown.


Mark

[Sixr]

I viewed the pulldown MPV file and everything is there.

Can I run crash recovery again even though it has compleated once. Do I need to delete any files first? Can I start it again from the BBmpeg process?

Yeah, I could just run another rip from the begining and it would probably come out fine, but I need to learn all I can so I can stop asking stupid questions..

[markrb]

Sure thing. I do it all the time if I want to tweak things like the video bitrate and don't want to go through the entire audio again.

Click on crash recovery, load the d2s file, click on the drop down and pick where you want to continue from. No need to erase files as these are overwritten or erased when the program that creates them is started.

In your case I would continue from Muxing and Cutting.

Mark

[Sixr]

Damn, it was right there if I'd looked deeper. :)

After running it a few times, BBmpeg? is just cutting it wrong. How do I make it try a new cutpoint? As the pulldown is fine for video, could there be a problem with audio muxing that kills 20 min of video with it?

It doesnt seem like you can change settings and then alter the way crash recovery will run.

[Sixr]

Looking through the encoded audio, there is a spike in the right channel audio within a second or so of the area where I loose 20+ min of video in the output. Can that cause the muxing to break down?

[markrb]

Post your D2S and log file they are simply text. Use cut and paste not attach. I have heard of this happening once before, but it was awhile ago. Never found out what happened.

Mark

[Sixr]

[General]
Version=DVD2SVCD ver. 1.0.6 build 1

[Filenames]
DVDAudioFileName0=e:\rip\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
MP2FileName0=e:\rip\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
DVDAudioFileName1=e:\rip\Extracted_audio_2
MP2FileName1=e:\rip\Encoded_audio_2.mp2
IFOFilename=e:\rip\Vts_03_0.ifo
MPVFileName=e:\rip\CCE_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv
FinalMPVName=e:\rip\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv
TitlePictureFileName=e:\rip\TitlePicture.bmp
ChangeCDPictureFileName=e:\rip\ChangeCDPicture.bmp
TargetFolder=e:\rip\
VobName=rip
FinalbbMPEGFileName=e:\rip\bbMPEG_Muxed_File-subbed

[Settings]
Project Position=49
ForceFilm=0
FileSource=0
PGCISelect=0
bbMPEGCDSize=791
Frames=136521
VideoPTS=194
PAL=0
NTSC2PAL=0
TitlePictureFormat=1
ChangeCDPictureFormat=1
viHorizontalSize=720
viVerticalSize=480
viAspectRatio=2
viFrameRate=4
SelectedAspectRatio=0
CDLabel=ABUGSLIFE
MovieTitle=
Number of images=2
Volumes=2
fps=23.976
AudioPTS0=201
Delay0=0
AudioSource0=0
AudioLanguage0=en
AudioStream0=0
AudioPTS1=0
Delay1=0
AudioSource1=0
AudioLanguage1=
AudioStream1=-1
NumOfAudioStreams=1
SubtitleFilename=e:\rip\dvd2svcd subtitles file.ini

It creates a cue sheet for the first disk all screwy. My missing min no doubt.

FILE "e:\rip\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" BINARY
TRACK 01 MODE2/2352
FLAGS DCP
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 MODE2/2352
FLAGS DCP
INDEX 00 00:04:00
INDEX 01 00:06:00
INDEX 02 00:06:01
INDEX 03 00:31:06
INDEX 04 07:32:27
INDEX 05 13:40:34
INDEX 06 17:03:27
INDEX 07 26:02:30
INDEX 08 29:09:11
INDEX 09 31:55:16
INDEX 10 33:52:72
INDEX 11 43:16:08
INDEX 12 46:05:53
INDEX 13 52:09:03
INDEX 14 54:13:35
INDEX 15 59:48:60
INDEX 16 66:07:54
INDEX 17 69:13:33
INDEX 18 75:55:34
INDEX 19 76:55:18
INDEX 20 78:54:15
INDEX 21 79:41:16
INDEX 22 79:41:16
INDEX 23 79:41:16
INDEX 24 79:41:16
INDEX 25 79:41:16
INDEX 26 79:41:16
INDEX 27 79:41:16
INDEX 28 79:41:16

[markrb]

Just to see if it works if you have DVD Chapters checked shut that off and try fixed chapters at 90 seconds instead and use Crash Recovery from Muxing and Cutting again and see what happens.
To do this right you may have to edit your D2s file, but I don't know and I am in the middle of an encode myself.

Mark