SupRip Support Thread

[quantum]

SupRip (not to be confused with SubRip) is a program that OCR's Blu-ray and HD-DVD formatted SUP files (such as those exported by eac3to), and can then export SRT formatted subtitle files that can be muxed into MKV or other containers, or read as external subtitles by compatible players.

The author (not me) has a site here:
http://exar.ch/suprip/

This program is the first one I use when I build an MKV and I want subtitles.

Please put SupRip related posts in this thread, to help the author and others, so they don't have to sift through the confusing mass of the current sticky threads.

[quantum]

In AVPR - Aliens vs Predator - Requiem Blu-ray, the english letter k keeps getting split down the middle. I couldn't find a low enough "Character Split Tolerance" to fix this, and the lowest value 1 also caused problems with other characters.

If there was no other fix, it would be nice if I could force the program to recognize what it thinks as two letters, to what I want it to be. For example, it thinks it finds L+whatever, I force that to be recognized as 'k'.

@Taktaal I sent you a PM with a link to the SUP file, in case you want to try it.

[rica]

quantum, thanks for opening this thread.

How can i reset the memory of suprip?
Removing application and reloading back doesn't fix the issue.
Some characters can not be re-teached to SupRip if they have been teached as false at the first teaching process.
So i can not re-teach them as true.

I think SupRip is saving the learned characters in somewhere.
So how can i clean the memory?

EDIT: OK, i've found it; deleting "temp.font.txt" under C > Users > rica > App.Data > Roaming > SupRip fixed the issue.

[Taktaal]

In AVPR - Aliens vs Predator - Requiem Blu-ray, the english letter k keeps getting split down the middle. I couldn't find a low enough "Character Split Tolerance" to fix this, and the lowest value 1 also caused problems with other characters.

If there was no other fix, it would be nice if I could force the program to recognize what it thinks as two letters, to what I want it to be. For example, it thinks it finds L+whatever, I force that to be recognized as 'k'.

@Taktaal I sent you a PM with a link to the SUP file, in case you want to try it.

I really like the font in that subtitle, it seems like a more elegant Calibri
http://exar.ch/gfx/avp.png
Unfortunately my usual sources can't identify the font :(

As to the problem with the k, I'm working on it and it doesn't seem too difficult to finally make the letter splitting algorithm a bit better.

[quantum]

Thanks for looking into the letter splitting issue.

I've sent a PM with some new Blu-ray samples:

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

I don't know if I did something wrong, but these are not recognized correctly by SupRip. The picture images are correctly displayed, but the recognition is way off, to the point where it's impossible to correct.

These also don't seem to work when exporting from Supread to import into Subtitle Creator, so maybe they're corrupt?

They were dumuxed with Eac3to.

[avivahl]

How about providing support for Sup files extracted from DVDs? or at least giving a proper message saying it's not supported (instead of crashing)...?

[Emp3r0r]

SupRip seems to automatically detect all lowercase 's' as uppercase 'S' before any training. This also occurs on lowercase 'c' and 'v'. Therefore, you can't train it the correct lowercase versions of these letters. Can this be fixed? Is the source code available for this application?

[Taktaal]

How about providing support for Sup files extracted from DVDs? or at least giving a proper message saying it's not supported (instead of crashing)...?

If an incompatible file is opened, the program should throw an error message "Couldn't open file xxx. Maybe it's not a HD-DVD file?" I improved the error message a bit for the next version, but the file detection code should already work.

SupRip seems to automatically detect all lowercase 's' as uppercase 'S' before any training. This also occurs on lowercase 'c' and 'v'. Therefore, you can't train it the correct lowercase versions of these letters. Can this be fixed? Is the source code available for this application?

I think it's probably an error in the user entered font.
Try going to the folder "%appdata%\suprip" (enter that into Start->Run) and deleting the temp font file there.

[avivahl]

Well, now I'm sorry I didn't keep that sup file (nor do I remember from which DVD it came). I'll try a few DVD sup files when I'll test the next version. I wonder... do you plan on adding support for such files? :)

[Emp3r0r]

I think it's probably an error in the user entered font.
Try going to the folder "%appdata%\suprip" (enter that into Start->Run) and deleting the temp font file there. I've already tried this. Maybe I need to reboot? :)

I uploaded the file here: http://jvance.com/files/ForKingEnSup.zip (7zip)

[iNT]

SupRip is generating this white line. And as a result, the characters directly below this white line are not recognized as characters by SupRip.

I've bordered the problem in "red". As you can see i can't OCR "Th".

http://i36.tinypic.com/scyzbm.png

I've bordered the problem below in "red" as well. This is a more serious case, where an entire line is neglected.

http://i35.tinypic.com/rbme0z.png

I've tried different parameters (Space Width, Character Split Tolerance & Character Similarity Tolerance) but i didn't get any improvements.

Any suggestions?

[menlvd]

iNT same things
only with finereader i'll can ocr and then convert to srt

[saint-francis]

SUprip issue with aBD .sup.

Samples are here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1218697#post1218697). Any ideas? :(

Edit:
An interesting side note might be that the subtitles aren't displayed "normally" when played from the source. By this I mean that instead of having solid color they are kind of transparent.

[legoholic]

As this seems to be the official(?) support thread for SupRip, I'll post my problem here. If there is a more suitable place, please direct me to it ;)

I regularly convert blu-ray's for use over home network from a fileserver to a popcornhour. As the popcornhour unfortunately has no support at the moment for PGS streams, I have to convert the sup files (demuxed with tsmuxergui) to srt files.

Most of the time SupRip copes just fine with a little assistance. However I have several movies where SupRip chokes on the file. For instance the sup file of "Michael Clayton" is not even loaded, as it is roughly 1.5Gb in size, and there is a hard limit of 1.0Gb.

One of the streams of "Asterix and the Vikings" crashes on loading it:

************* Exception Text **************
System.Exception: Exception of type 'SupRip.SubtitleImage+EndOfImageReachedException' was thrown.

at SupRip.SubtitleImage.ColumnContainsPixels(Byte[,] image, Int32 column, Int32 limit, Int32 y1, Int32 y2)
at SupRip.SubtitleImage.ColumnContainsPixels(Byte[,] image, Int32 column, Int32 limit, Double angle, Int32 y1, Int32 y2)
at SupRip.SubtitleImage.FindLetters()
at SupRip.SubtitleImage.CreateSubtitleArray()
at SupRip.SubtitleImage..ctor(Bitmap source)
at SupRip.SubtitleFile.GetSubtitleImage(Int32 n)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleFile(String fileName)
at SupRip.MainForm.loadButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


And an other stream of the same movie crashed halfway through.


So the question is, is there a known work-around for the > 1Gb files? Is there source available somewhere (could not find it) to take a look at why it's crashing. Or somebody who does have code and is willing to examine not working files?

[Adub]

a gigabyte sup file? I did even know that was possible. If you demux the sup file with eac3to, is it also 1 gb?

[legoholic]

just tried it, exactly the same size:

1,604,919,099 bytes..

[rica]

What?????

[legoholic]

some more information:

supread loads it and reports "Blu-ray presentation graphics found.
33836 subtitles loaded."

When I do "save bitmaps" not all files saved contain text, and the ones that contain text are duplicated many times.

ie. "Micheal, mijn beste Michael" the first line in the movie is displayed on line0002.png, line0003.png all the way to line0026.png

that's about a second at 24fps, so I assume the stream contains a picture for every frame it is displaying a subtitle. (or something like that).

if that's true, that also means a regular suprip wont work anyway. as it will find thousands of duplicates.

it'll have to do some sort of concatenation of consecutive identical subtitles.

[shroomM]

I have the same problem with a different movie... a bluray version of "To kill a king".

No matter with which program I try, the demuxed sup is roughly 500mb in size, the subtitles are repeated multiple times and the timings make no sense.

If anyone needs any debugging info, just let me know what I can do, I can probably put the sup file online on an FTP if anyone needs it. PM if needed.

[Taktaal]

I just posted a new version 1.10 that fixed a lot of errors mentioned earlier by quantum, avivahl and iNT.

I also removed the size restrictions. There seems to be a really stupid Bluray authoring software out there that loves splitting subtitles into dozens of completely identical images. That is actually what is in the file, not a bug in my software. It's even greater when you consider that .sup files only compress within each separate frame, so 100 identical subtitle images also use up 100 times the space. And even on a 20 gig Bluray, 1.5gig subtitles hurt. If cases like that get more popular in the future I'll have to put in some deduplication feature into Suprip.

[laserfan]

I just posted a new version 1.10...Thank you Taktaal for this terrific application!!!

:thanks:

[Adub]

Sweet! I love new versions!

[nautilus7]

Last version (1.10) doesn't open this (http://www.sendspace.com/file/n21njq) sup file (from Open Season European blu-ray). It's the Greek subtitles.

Also, i would like to ask for the version number to be displayed somewhere in the program, so we can know which version we have. ;)

[quantum]

Thanks for the update Taaktal.

This subtitle, from Casablanca HD-DVD
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4xi03v

Latest version does not recognize the 2nd line of two line subs. The issue starts within the first 1-10 subs. It also aborts when moving forward before around sub 20.

[quantum]

Taktaal, I don't know if this is something you can do, or would consider doing, but here is an idea for enhancement:

Offer dvd compatible sub/idx output. These can already be displayed with HD movies on a HTPC, and of the two popular hardware media players that support HD playback, Tvix M-6500, and Network Media Tank, the Tvix already supports sub/idx, and the NMT developers have said support is coming with a firmware update.

While all of these devices already support SRT subs, the sub/idx format does not require OCR and can display any type of character. For compatibility, my understanding is the sub/idx format requires DVD resolution for the subs, which doesn't look great on a HD screen, but that is a sacrifice many would gladly accept in exchange for a more automatic and accurate process. At least it would be nice to have the option.

I'm sure such a feature would be appreciated by a large number of people. :) It is something that is very difficult to impossible to do right now, especially for Blu-ray sups.

[Anacletus]

Hi there, i am having serious problems trying the new suprip version to get to do the job done :(

Issues varies from not recognizing the very first (and last) letters on many lines and most of all the app is just crashing after few lines. :(

I've just reinstalled my machine so i got a very very polished installation of Win XP if that helps.

please help

regards
Anac

[Taktaal]

There was a pretty stupid bug in 1.10, I updated to 1.11

Taktaal, I don't know if this is something you can do, or would consider doing, but here is an idea for enhancement:

Offer dvd compatible sub/idx output. These can already be displayed with HD movies on a HTPC, and of the two popular hardware media players that support HD playback, Tvix M-6500, and Network Media Tank, the Tvix already supports sub/idx, and the NMT developers have said support is coming with a firmware update.

While all of these devices already support SRT subs, the sub/idx format does not require OCR and can display any type of character. For compatibility, my understanding is the sub/idx format requires DVD resolution for the subs, which doesn't look great on a HD screen, but that is a sacrifice many would gladly accept in exchange for a more automatic and accurate process. At least it would be nice to have the option.

I'm sure such a feature would be appreciated by a large number of people. :) It is something that is very difficult to impossible to do right now, especially for Blu-ray sups.

That sounds interesting and pretty simple to do, I'll look for some documentation on the sub/idx format.

[nautilus7]

Last version (1.10) doesn't open this (http://www.sendspace.com/file/n21njq) sup file (from Open Season European blu-ray). It's the Greek subtitles.

Also, i would like to ask for the version number to be displayed somewhere in the program, so we can know which version we have. ;)

There was a pretty stupid bug in 1.10, I updated to 1.11

I still can't open the above sup file any other i tried... :(

[quantum]

I still can't open the above sup file any other i tried... :(

I also can't get through the Casablanca sup I uploaded earlier. It bombs out, after maybe 30 OCR's (guessing at the number) with settings 11/3/25.

Taaktal, that is great news that you plan to tackle sub/idx. You'll be blazing a new trail.

[Anacletus]

I still can't open the above sup file any other i tried... :(

Same here, trying to work on multiple sup files from various blu rays but still new suprip does'nt detect some letters at all and often (if not always) crashes after few lines :(

If you need i can supply the files i was working on

regards
Anac

[menlvd]

still same problems (ver. 1.11)
http://xs434.xs.to/xs434/08500/2008-12-14_202853711.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs434&d=08500&f=2008-12-14_202853711.jpg)

[nautilus7]

Yes, i confirm that first and last character is missing in the unique sup file that suprip was able to open.

[Taktaal]

I know the reason for the missing characters, that's easy to fix.
But the crashes are confusing me. What error message do you get with the crash? You should receive a stack dump in a gray or white window with some lines of text.

[Anacletus]

I know the reason for the missing characters, that's easy to fix.
But the crashes are confusing me. What error message do you get with the crash? You should receive a stack dump in a gray or white window with some lines of text.

Here you go Taktaal: (translated that would be an "index out of bound")


System.Exception: Indice oltre i limiti della matrice.

in SupRip.SubtitleImage.ExtractLetter(Rectangle rect, Double angle, BackgroundRectangle lastSpace, BackgroundRectangle nextSpace)
in SupRip.SubtitleImage.FindLetters()
in SupRip.SubtitleImage.CreateSubtitleArray()
in SupRip.SubtitleImage..ctor(Bitmap source)
in SupRip.SubtitleFile.GetSubtitleImage(Int32 n)
in SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
in SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
in SupRip.MainForm.MoveToImage(Int32 num)
in SupRip.MainForm.nextButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
in System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
in System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
in System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
in System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
in System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
in System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

[nautilus7]

An that's what i get:
See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.Exception: Index was outside the bounds of the array.

at SupRip.SubtitleImage.ExtractLetter(Rectangle rect, Double angle, BackgroundRectangle lastSpace, BackgroundRectangle nextSpace)
at SupRip.SubtitleImage.FindLetters()
at SupRip.SubtitleImage.CreateSubtitleArray()
at SupRip.SubtitleImage..ctor(Bitmap source)
at SupRip.SubtitleFile.GetSubtitleImage(Int32 n)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.MoveToImage(Int32 num)
at SupRip.MainForm.nextButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SupRip
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/CD%20-%20DVD%20tools/SupRip.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------

************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

Looks the same.

[Taktaal]

Can you upload the .sup file somewhere for me to have a look at?

[Anacletus]

Can you upload the .sup file somewhere for me to have a look at?

Here it is: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yw2dgb5i20k

[nautilus7]

This (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xkihy6) is the sup that produced the error above (it loads but after a few subtitles it pops up).

I have also uploaded another sup (that didn't even load) a few posts before. Have you look at it?

[Taktaal]

There was another stupid n+1 bug, I fixed that for a new version 1.12. The two subtitles right above work now.

Last version (1.10) doesn't open this (http://www.sendspace.com/file/n21njq) sup file (from Open Season European blu-ray). It's the Greek subtitles.

For me that opens in 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12 correctly. The older versions sometimes don't find all letters but it never crashes. Does it still crash for you with 1.12?

[quantum]

Version 1.12 handles my Casablanca font without crashing. And it recognizes everything. Good work.

[Anacletus]

Version 1.12 is working flawlessy now for me also! Keep up the good work!! :thanks:

[nautilus7]

For me that opens in 1.10, 1.11 and 1.12 correctly. The older versions sometimes don't find all letters but it never crashes. Does it still crash for you with 1.12?Well, something weird happens here. :confused:

I still can't open the file as with previous versions. I get this error:


System.Exception: Parameter is not valid.

at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor(Int32 width, Int32 height, PixelFormat format)
at SupRip.SubtitleFile.ConvertHdSup(FileStream fs, SupData data)
at SupRip.SubtitleFile.GetSubtitleImage(Int32 n)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleImage(Int32 number)
at SupRip.MainForm.LoadSubtitleFile(String fileName)
at SupRip.MainForm.loadButton_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll
----------------------------------------
SupRip
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 1.0.0.0
CodeBase: file:///C:/Downloads/SupRip.exe
----------------------------------------
System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
----------------------------------------
System
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
----------------------------------------
System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.1433 (REDBITS.050727-1400)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
----------------------------------------


In addition, other subtitles continue to have missing letters (first and last).

I'm sure i have 1.12, but is it possible to add the version number somewhere on the program?

Thanks.

[quantum]

Well, something weird happens here. :confused:

I still can't open the file as with previous versions. I get this error:


I download your greek sup and it opens fine for me. I stepped through the first 200 and had no crashes.

[nautilus7]

I don't know... Can you send me your v1.12?

[ukendt]

I'm considering to make this thread sticky but I want some comments before I do it. Please state freely...

[nautilus7]

Why not? Every app needs it's own thread.

Is it possible to add a 1st post from the developer, so he can post new versions?

[Anacletus]

I'm considering to make this thread sticky but I want some comments before I do it. Please state freely...

I vote for the sticky, since this is (guessing here) the most used (almost painless i'd say) app to rip blu-ray subs nowadays

:thanks:

[azad]

@Taktaal
Would it be possible to let SupRip export just the forced subs into a whole new .sup file?

[Taktaal]

yay sticky!

@Taktaal
Would it be possible to let SupRip export just the forced subs into a whole new .sup file?

I tried that but it's a lot harder writing to a proprietary format than reading from it. There's a lot of bytes that I don't know what they do and can safely ignore when decoding, but if they're just set to a random guessed value while encoding, they tend to crash the players that are written to the official Sony spec.

[hubblec4]

hi

the new version 1.12 crash at me when i use the auto-OCR button. with version 1.01 works fine.

hubble