Problem with Paramount H264 BluRay sources

[lawrywild]

Ok, this problem is really weird.. and I'm hoping someone can help me with it.

Basically, if I playback an m2ts or an mkv remux of a BD released by Paramount. At every I-frame it starts glitching like hell. Tried CoreAVC, ffdshow 2110, MPC-HC internal h264 decoders. All have the same problem. Have also tried MPC's internal mkv and mpeg-ts splitter instead of Haali. The glitches happen with any video renderer, but I usually use EVR.

Things get weirder, though. If I encode the source (using haali + ffdshow) with x264, the output has NO GLITCHES at all and plays perfectly fine.

Even weirder, is that my discs from sony (21), dreamworks (blades of glory) etc that I have remuxes of show none of this behaviour. Only paramount discs, of which I have Transformers, Iron Man and The Love Guru all show the same glitching at all I-frames.

Haali, ffdshow, mpc-hc, coreavc are all latest versions, and I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling them all with no success.

Anyone got any ideas? And if anyone else has the same discs, could they try and re-create what I'm doing and see if they get the glitching or not?

PS: Using Vista x64.

:thanks:

[Ranguvar]

How did you rip, and how do you remux? Details :)

[lawrywild]

Ripped with latest AnyDVD HD, all BD+ stuff is removed etc etc (no problems here for sure).

I demux with xport or eac3to (tried both)

Encode TrueHD to FLAC.

Remux with mkvmerge.

But the glitching happens even when I play the m2ts without remuxing, so can't be a problem here.

[Sagekilla]

Now you're being very confusing. First you say it was ripped with AnyDVD HD, but then you say you didn't rip them. Are you saying you don't own the original Blu-ray discss?

[Zwitterion]

Could you try another player? Cyberlink, Nero, etc...

I have some problems with the internal M2TS splitter of MPC-HC. Do your artifacts look like this (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=52372231yn5.png) every second or so?

[lawrywild]

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[lawrywild]

Could you try another player? Cyberlink, Nero, etc...

I have some problems with the internal M2TS splitter of MPC-HC. Do your artifacts look like this (http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=52372231yn5.png) every second or so?

Fairly similar but I see yours is a VC-1 stream. I only have this issue with Paramount h264 streams. No other h264 streams give me this problem, there's just something weird going on with paramount discs...

[lawrywild]

Oh here's another twist to the tale lol. When I play the m2ts with mpc-hc's internal splitter. It plays fine :o but I only get ac3 audio and not lossless :(

edit: another observation. Actually this doesn't happen at all I-frames. This happens to all I-frames in dark scenes.. light scenes I get no glitches. I'll cut out a sample and upload it sometime of a glitchy part.

[Sharktooth]

from what you said, that is still content of "questionable nature", so rule 6 applies.

[Audionut]

Ripped with latest AnyDVD HD (I didn't rip them, so let's stay away from how I got these discs :p ), all BD+ stuff is removed etc etc (no problems here for sure).


The way I read it.

He ripped them off his own dics with anydvd.

He didn't rip them from a p2p site.

[kemuri-_9]

the fact is that it was ripped with anydvd, implicating copy protection was in place,
and he didn't even rip them him/herself, implicating not owning the material.
looks to be a rule 6 violation to me....

[Tack]

the fact is that it was ripped with anydvd, implicating copy protection was in place,
Surely it's not a rule 6 violation to admit you rip your own DVDs?

[kemuri-_9]

Surely it's not a rule 6 violation to admit you rip your own DVDs?

they're not his own dvds...
there's an 'and' in my conjecture for a reason...

[zapco]

FWIW, I only own one Paramount H264 BD thus far - The Hunt for Red October - but after ripping it with AnyDVD, it plays back flawlessly in MPC via Haali's splitter and ffdshow in either m2ts or mkv containers (looks fantastic, too...just as one would expect from a 30+ Mb/sec H264 video stream).

Oh, and I'm running good ol' Win2K SP4...

[lawrywild]

Who exactly cares whther I said they were mine or not? Shouldn't have asked me the question if you were gonna go OMG OMG RULE 6 VIOLATION AHHHH!

So I'll just go ahead and say they're mine. I own them. kthxbye.

Anyway please back to topic...

That's interesting zapco.. perhaps there's something weird going on with my vista install and maybe I need to do another clean install. It seems unlikely though tbh..

[Ranguvar]

Who exactly cares whther I said they were mine or not? Shouldn't have asked me the question if you were gonna go OMG OMG RULE 6 VIOLATION AHHHH!
While I hate Rule 6 too, it's here for a very good reason. I'm sure the media companies are watching this site closely, and if Doom9 does not actively make sure there is no discussion of shared material, we will not have a Doom9.

[lawrywild]

Sure, I understand that but it's best not to ask that question at all if there's a possibility of someone talking about shared material ;)

[lawrywild]

Another question for zapco: Which versions of haali/ffdshow/mpc-hc are you using?

[Sharktooth]

what's not clear with the forum rules? you're not allowed to talk about illegally obtained copyrighted material.
you cant just circumvent the forum rules and say if the forum rules says i cant, then i will say the discs are mine...
that's just pathetic and still in violation of the forum rules.
so, no, there is no reason to go on since the rules still say "asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated."

[lawrywild]

what's not clear with the forum rules? you're not allowed to talk about illegally obtained copyrighted material.
you cant just circumvent the forum rules and say if the forum rules says i cant, then i will say the discs are mine...
that's just pathetic and still in violation of the forum rules.
so, no, there is no reason to go on since the rules still say "asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated."


Huh? I didn't say anything was not clear with the rules. I actually said "I understand that".

My point was that I didn't mention anything about illegally downloading them did I? It also wasn't me who brought it into the conversation, someone asked ME how they were ripped so how am I in violation of the rules?

edit: plus, if you're all so worried about companies watching this forum.. then why the hell are you drawing so much attention to it and saying I'm in breach of rules blah blah.... exactly.

[Audionut]

My point was that I didn't mention anything about illegally downloading them did I?

Exactly. The rest of you guys need to learn to read.

And if it's suddenly a problem to use anydvd to circumvent copy protection to rip a disc, then this forum is dead.

Doom9 has enough mods without the rest of you cowboys.

[Sharktooth]

yep... learn to read... the forum rules first, expecially this part: "Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated."
it's not a matter of circumventing a copy protection but a matter of rights, since it was illegally obtained.
he edited his posts but still he is trying to get help for illegally obtained copyrighted material, that's against the forum rules.
the discussion ends here.

[Audionut]

... learn to read...

Yes. It wouldn't be the first time lately that you've misread other people's posts.


"Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated."

Where? Here,
is that my discs from sony (21), dreamworks (blades of glory) etc that I have remuxes of show none of this behaviour. Only paramount discs, of which I have Transformers, Iron Man and The Love Guru all show the same glitching at all I-frames.


he edited his posts

Because he tried to make a joke, but you don't have a sense of humor.


the discussion ends here.

Whatever!!!!!

[lawrywild]

lol sharktooth. I never said anything about illegally downloading the discs. You've just assumed that. The first post has not been edited. It says clearly

is that my discs from sony (21), dreamworks (blades of glory) etc that I have remuxes of show none of this behaviour. Only paramount discs, of which I have Transformers, Iron Man and The Love Guru all show the same glitching at all I-frames.

I believe it says "my discs"

[Sharktooth]

you have edited your subsequent posts where you clearly stated to "don't ask" when you were asked how you made the rip... also this post: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186736#post1186736 and this one: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186906#post1186906 are the proof you said you didnt rip the discs and that they're of questionable nature. you can edit your posts, but you cant edit the other ppl ones.
in this post: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186747#post1186747 (promptly edited out) you said you had not the discs, so you were clearly asking for help for illegally obtained copyrighted material.
that said, i already reported the thread to moderators.

[lawrywild]

you have edited your subsequent posts where you clearly stated to "don't ask" when you were asked how you made the rip... also this post: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186736#post1186736 and this one: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186906#post1186906 are the proof you said you didnt rip the discs. you can edit your posts, but you cant edit the other ppl ones.
in this post: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1186747#post1186747 (promptly edited out) you said you had not the discs, so you were clearly asking for help for illegally obtained copyrighted material.

but then you say you didn't rip them.

You assumed that meant downloaded illegally rather than my mate ripped them for me because I don't have a blu-ray drive on my PC?

Like I said, I never mentioned anything about illegal activities. It's funny that you're so intent on proving your point, despite the fact that if indeed distributors are watching this forum, you are drawing so much more attention to the act of illegally downloading movies.

I was saying don't ask because like I said, the ripping of these discs isn't the issue here. If it was how the hell can I play the m2ts with mpc-hc internal splitter without glitches. :rolleyes:

I know who you are, and that you're a respected member here but why not just leave moderators to do their job?

[Sharktooth]

infact i just reported the thread to mods.
now, that's funny how you add excuses at every reply...

[lawrywild]

PS: Next time I don't think I'll come to doom9 for help :rolleyes: only one person has actually contributed to this topic with something half relevant..

[lawrywild]

infact i just reported the thread to mods.


So what? lol. Now go suck your own e-penis.

[Sharktooth]

coming here asking for help is ok... but not when you're asking for help for illegal material.

[lawrywild]

You say I add "excuses" but actually I'm just clearing things up, as you're firing accusations at me left, right and centre. It's just you who won't let go and are intent on proving that I'm in the wrong. Like I said again and again, I never mentioned illegally downloading the discs, my original post says "my discs" which couldn't be any clearer it's only other people who have said anything about them being illegal content, including you.

[Sharktooth]

sure.. you've edited your own posts... that's again a proof you were scared someone (like a mod?) could read them after ppl made you notice this forum has some rules (you were supposed to agree with BEFORE posting).
also, about this:
So what? lol. Now go suck your own e-penis.
... again read the rules ...

[lawrywild]

sure.. you've edited your own posts... that's again a proof you were scared someone (like a mod?) could read them after ppl made you notice this forum has some rules (you were supposed to agree with BEFORE posting).
also, about this:

... again read the rules ...

lol what? You think I'd actually mind if this thread got deleted, or if I got banned? Yeah right, like I have actually gotten ANYTHING useful from this topic. Yup, thanks for that suggestion. I only edited it to try and stop the off-topicness you were all spouting and actually get some useful info. PS: I did not "promptly" edit my posts, I left them for ages until I realised no one was letting go..

But, oh wait, your post STILL suggests I was breaking the rules, despite the fact I've already said I owned them.

So to conclude, to a mod reading this. If sharktooth's e-penis matters more than this thread, you're welcome to delete it, or even ban me, not that it matters..

[Ranguvar]

lol what? You think I'd actually mind if this thread got deleted, or if I got banned?

Aha, you're a troll then? Certainly sounds like it.

What you failed to see in my earlier post was the word actively. Now, I personally try to avoid baiting someone into saying it's shared material, as I believe most others do. But when I asked you how you ripped it, etc., that was just so we could help you solve your problem. YOU stepped up and said there was shared material involved. How do you think it will look to said big companies if there's a thread where the starter admits freely the material in question was downloaded, and they're helped? I'm NOT saying it's right. I'm saying we need to be strict in order to keep this community. I do NOT want Doom9 shut down.

Anyways, I have no interest in helping a troll, particularly one handing out personal insults. Sharktooth is Sharktooth, but seriously, there's no call for personal attacks. Just leave.

[lawrywild]

Aha, you're a troll then? Certainly sounds like it..

AHAHA What? A troll? Since when was I trolling? Do you even know what a troll is? :stupid:

YOU stepped up and said there was shared material involved.


Sorry, but I never said that. I said I didn't rip the disc, which you lot took as "illegally downloaded" whereas I've already cleared up what I meant a few posts up. My PC doesn't have a blu-ray drive, too expensive for now.


edit: oh nice I can delete the thread myself. Might just do that :rolleyes:

[Inventive Software]

Quit the arguments. You're not helping.

If this doesn't happen with any other discs, why just Paramount then?

[neuron2]

The edited original posts are a clear enough rule 6 violation, so struck.

I didn't rip them, so let's stay away from how I got these discs :p

The insult is a rule 4 violation, so struck.

Thread closed.