HD-DVD / EVO muxer (H264+AC3)

[ReferenceDivx]

Download ver 0.30 at the official website http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com

Now working on two vista and one xp machines that i have tested it on. I will change the title when more progress is made towards a fully working version.

Workflow for converting a bluray to hd-dvd using this software

1. Rip movie using anydvd
2. create graph file in graphedit (need haali media splitter and ffdshow installed)
3. create avs file
#start
DirectShowSource("c:\output\american\Graph0.GRF",fps=23.9759856527702,framecount=112962,audio=false)
ConvertToYV12()
#end

4. use megui to encode to lower bitrate 1080p24 file
5. rip audio to ac3 640 kbps using eac3to and yr_eac3to_more_gui_v10 gui
6. multiplex video and audio together (hddvdmux automatically converts the 23.976 to 29.97)

7. burn using nero
New compliation -> DVD -> DVD-ROM (udf)
under the udf tab select
options: manual settings
udf partion type: physical partion
file system version: UDF 2.50

Our group has been working on a Hd-dvd authoring program for some time. Although blu-ray seem to have won out, we believe there is still some potential for hd-dvd in certain market segements. With around 1.3 million units in the market, Hd-dvd hardware will be around for some time to come. A Hd-dvd disc has about a 1.5% overhead compared with blu-ray approx 10% overhead.

useage instructions:
hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724

4172724 //the total number of 2048 byte packets to write, the maximum value is 4172724 for a dvd9


Audio must be dolby digital or enhanced dolby digital

Currently only 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video input is supported

(only tested with x264)
with these suggested settings from MEGUI
Standalone-HD-DVD or Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast

Audio must be dolby digital or enhanced dolby digital

Currently only AVC video input is supported with these suggested settings
from MEGUI Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast or Standalone-HD-DVD

The program automatically does a 23.976 -> 29.97 pullup on the avc video using code from h264info

Please leave your comments and suggestions for future versions.

[setarip_old]

Hi!

As much as I personally would like to believe there is still a place for HD-DVD, I must ask you the following:

With around 1.3 million units in the market

1) How many are burners, how many are SAPs or HD-DVD ROMs?

2) What's your source for this data?

3) Is anyone still manufacturing blank HD-DVDs?

4) Does your program accept ONLY .264 and .MPA files as input?

[ReferenceDivx]

1) How many are burners, how many are SAPs or HD-DVD ROMs?
Don't care

2) What's your source for this data?
Derived from the best parts of nero and scenarist

3) Is anyone still manufacturing blank HD-DVDs?
I use it for making dual layer dvd backups (3x dvds)

4) Does your program accept ONLY .264 and .MPA files as input?
the only video codec currently supported is avc with the filename test.264
the only audio codec currently supported is ac3 or eac3 with the filename test.mpa

I might add support for other formats in the future if demand is there.

I have been sitting on the program for about 3 months now, and have decided that people should have the opportunity to use it if they want to.

Windvd is currently not working. Powerdvd and standalone units should be working though.

[oldpainless]

1) How many are burners, how many are SAPs or HD-DVD ROMs?
Don't care

2) What's your source for this data?
Derived from the best parts of nero and scenarist

3) Is anyone still manufacturing blank HD-DVDs?
I use it for making dual layer dvd backups (3x dvds)

4) Does your program accept ONLY .264 and .MPA files as input?
the only video codec currently supported is avc with the filename test.264
the only audio codec currently supported is ac3 or eac3 with the filename test.mpa

I might add support for other formats in the future if demand is there.

I have been sitting on the program for about 3 months now, and have decided that people should have the opportunity to use it if they want to.

Windvd is currently not working. Powerdvd and standalone units should be working though.

:thanks: I've been waiting for this....is there any chance that this could become to us HD-DVD owners what Tsmuxer has become to Blu-Ray owners?

Cant wait.

Lastly, even tho I've named my mpa and 264 files test.XXX, it comes up with an error and crashes? any ideas....

[ReferenceDivx]

i have to go to work but ill try to post some more info in 12hrs or so

[oldpainless]

i have to go to work but ill try to post some more info in 12hrs or so

Ok....cheers...

:thanks:

[vmrsss]

that's very interesting, but you'd really have to remove those parameters, especially the second. There are now some very good tools that mux to .ts or .m2ts. The tool that is really missing in the opensource community is one that takes one of these formats to output a HD-DVD_TS folder or a iso image. That would be a most valuable contribution for your tool. Regards.

[ReferenceDivx]

It currently outputs to a HD-DVD structure.

I updated the webpage with a few changes

Example settings for James Bond HD-DVD:
hddvdmux.exe h:\output\bond\ h:\output\movie 640 200000
h:\output\bond\ contains two files test.264 and test.mpa

Currently only 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video input is supported (only tested with x264)

Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package (x86) may be necessary


I added a 92MB trailer for James Bond's new movie Quantum of Solace in the HD-DVD format. Enjoy :)

Download trailer here
http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/movie.zip

[oldpainless]

It currently outputs to a HD-DVD structure.

I updated the webpage with a few changes

Example settings for James Bond HD-DVD:
hddvdmux.exe h:\output\bond\ h:\output\movie 640 200000
h:\output\bond\ contains two files test.264 and test.mpa

Currently only 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video input is supported (only tested with x264)

Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package (x86) may be necessary


I added a 92MB trailer for James Bond's new movie Quantum of Solace in the HD-DVD format. Enjoy :)

Download trailer here
http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/movie.zip

Cool....that explains my problem - I was using a 720p file. Can you get it to cope with the likes of 1280x528 and the like?

:thanks:

[ReferenceDivx]

I didnt spend any time researching different video resolutions. If you want to make an entire dvd9 you will want to change the last number in the parameters from 200000 to 4172724. It takes me about 25-30 minutes to author a 8.5GB HD-DVD. I would really like some feedback on how well the videos play on different hd-dvd hardware players. I'm currently enjoying watching movies on my Toshiba HD-D3 player.

4172724x2048= 8545738752 bytes
wikipedia states that a dvd9 dvd+r has 8543666176 bytes

I use nero to burn my udf discs

New compliation -> DVD -> DVD-ROM (udf)

under the udf tab select
options: manual settings
udf partion type: physical partion
file system version: UDF 2.50

[rica]

Hi, thx for hddvdmux.

I make two directories under Test folder; even Input directory includes test.264 (which is created by x264 SA HDDVD Fast) and test.mpa i got this: (Output directory is empty)

C:\>hddvdmux.exe C:\Users\rica\Desktop\Try\Input C:\Users\rica\Desktop\Try\Output 640 4172724
HD-DVD MUX 0.10 August 19th 2008
ALPHA release
AVC video must use the name test.264
Dolby Digital audio must use name test.mpa
Example of useage below
hddvdmux.exe c:\inputdir c:\outputdir 640 4172724


What is missing?

[oldpainless]

Hi, thx for hddvdmux.

I make to directories under Test folder; even Input directory includes test.264 (which is created by x264 SA HDDVD Fast) and test.mpa i got this:

C:\>hddvdmux.exe C:\Users\rica\Desktop\Try\Input C:\Users\rica\Desktop\Try\Output 640 4172724
HD-DVD MUX 0.10 August 19th 2008
ALPHA release
AVC video must use the name test.264
Dolby Digital audio must use name test.mpa
Example of useage below
hddvdmux.exe c:\inputdir c:\outputdir 640 4172724


What is missing?

Thats what I got too......would love to get this working!....

:)

[ReferenceDivx]

It appears that it is not working on another workstation that i have. I'll try to figure it out and release a new build later today. Enyoy the trailer in the mean time.

[rica]

ReferenceDivx why not to use SA HDDVD instead of fast; it makes tearing from time to time?

[ReferenceDivx]

Other settings should work. The fast setting is what i use most often. There might be a problem with adding more bframes though.

[rica]

ok, now it's your turn :) :thanks:

[ReferenceDivx]

Added version 011 to my site. 011 seams to be currently only working in vista. There is a memory allocation/deallocation bug that i'm trying to fix so that it will run proplerly on windows xp.

[rica]

Vista 32 SP1, MS VisualC++2008 Redistributable Pack loaded.

This time, process starts and stop somewhere:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/993/hddvdmuxnh7.th.png (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hddvdmuxnh7.png)

No IFO directory under HDDVD_TS:

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3599/hddvdmux01df6.th.png (http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hddvdmux01df6.png)

The command line was the same as on my previous message.

(i tried with both SA HDDVD and SA HDDVD fast)

Am i making a mistake in command line?

[Atak_Snajpera]

no offense guys but this tool looks very suspicious if you know what i mean :) When roman76 released tsmuxer it worked from the beginning. This tool seams to be a hoax for me.
BTW. Trailer ofcourse is "broken"/|corrupted| eac3to cannot detect file :)

[rica]

if you know what i mean :) )

No i don't.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Have you heard about troyan horse ?

[rica]

Yes, i live where it is :)
really...
Next to Troy, just 300 km.

EDIT: Correction; Istanbul-Troy is 407 km :)

[ReferenceDivx]

Rica - it looks like you are entering the right info into the command line. It looks like the bug is not specific to xp. I'll try to put up the debug version which is slower but might work better in the mean time. Check my site for debug version in a little while.

I'm sorry it hasn't worked well so far. The program consists of thousands of lines of code and extremely complicated. The output might not be compatible with some demultiplexers.

The program does not create an ifo folder as this is not needed. Only two directories are needed HVDVD_TS and ADV_OBJ.

[rica]

But even EVO exists, it doesn't work as standalone...

[ReferenceDivx]

i have found the standalone evo files do not work, especially if they contain avc video. They need the two files HV001I01.IFO and HV000I01.IFO to play back correctly.

[rica]

OK, it's time to show you are on the horse, not inside of her :)

[Atak_Snajpera]

I see only excuses and nothing else! Come on. You and your wonder group have been developing this "tool" for long time and you had not discovered that????

Our group has been working on a Hd-dvd authoring program for some time.

ALL my original decrypted EVOS taken from HD-DVD play on HC-MPC (with haali media spliter) only with sound (no picture) but they are correctly detected by eac3to. Your "trailer" plays in MPC but it's not detected by eac3to. This very weird. I can't wait to see your next excuse :)

[ReferenceDivx]

As I stated above: "The output might not be compatible with some demultiplexers" It was designed for playback in software and hardware players. The program is only in its alpha stage and continues to get better as I get feedback from testers here.

Thanks for your feedback Rica and others

[rica]

Do not worry, just keep going.

[ReferenceDivx]

Rica have you had a chance to download the debug version from my site. It should output the two missing files. However, it give a memory stack error when finished.

[setarip_old]

@ReferenceDivx

1) After reading all the posts in this thread thusfar, it appears that your program's development hasn't progressed very much since the previous thread you started here in June (Which was closed for being SPAM by a moderator because you were attempting to charge $29.99 for it). In that June thread, you indicated that your "group" had already been working on the program for more than 6 months:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1150274#post1150274


In this current thread, you refer to your present version as being in the "alpha" stage. If that's the case, what could you have possibly tried to sell back in June?


2) Earlier in this thread I asked you, "What's your source for this data?" and you said, "Derived from the best parts of nero and scenarist".

Does your response mean that in your program, you've incorporated code from both NERO and Scenarist?

3) Is it your intention to maintain this program as FREEWARE throughout the course of its development?

[Atak_Snajpera]

However, it give a memory stack error when finished.
Another excuse! Hahahah. Why do you release something what does not work?!?!?!?!? This tool is fake!

[rica]

Two files are still missing...

[oldpainless]

mmmmm

[jofarmer]

Once this app works it will be exactly what I have been looking for for quite some time.

@ReferenceDivx: thank you for trying to offer those who bought HD-DVD-players a way to use them.

[ReferenceDivx]

Cool. Thanks.

I plan to fix the bugs and release a new version in the next few days. I got a little frustrated when I could never get the chapters to work correctly on my standalone hd-dvd player. I think my program would be an awsome addition to megui. I would ask for money but I wouldn't know what to do with it.

Future plans include:
1. Fix the memory errors.
2. Release the code so we can get more developers involved.
3. Decrease the time it takes from 30 minutes to 7 minutes to mux a hd-dvd.

[Atak_Snajpera]

I think my program would be an awsome addition to megui.
Don't praise day before dusk.

I would ask for money but I wouldn't know what to do with it.
You better convince us that this thing even works.

[ReferenceDivx]

Ok. I just released my new version. Hopefully this will fix a few problems.
http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/vers/hddvdmux021.zip

Changelog
1. Increased the memory size of one variable.
2. Fixed crashing on termination of program.
3. Should now output the two files that some people were missing on crash. HV000I01.IFO and HV001I01.IFO
3. Now supports both Standalone-HD-DVD and Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast x264 settings.

Future fixes
1. Change how files are inputed
2. drop need to input ac3 bitrate
3. add a percentage done bar -done 09/27/08


Btw I really like what neuron2 has done with DGAVCDecNV and will send him some money when he gets the whole megui thing figured out.

[jofarmer]

crashes in WinXP32 running inside virtualbox in Ubuntu - who would have thought ;-) Will try later in Vista...

[ReferenceDivx]

Ok. I just released a new version that adds a progress bar.

http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/vers/hddvdmux021.zip

I have tested it in windows xp and vista

Enjoy

[rica]

Is anybody else who has already tested?

Edit: Sorry i can't test it right now since my disks are under maintenance.

[m1482]

It would be nice to have a simple GUI ...

:)

[ReferenceDivx]

Ok, I'll add it to my todo list. However, I have to go swimming and lift weights right now ltr. I added a basic workflow plan to my first post which i use every day.

[Atak_Snajpera]

Edit: Sorry i can't test it right now since my disks are under maintenance.
I can't do it either. I am afraid of loosing all my data... ;)

[jofarmer]

I can't do it either. I am afraid of loosing all my data... ;)

What's with all that hostility?

For all of you with concerns about trojans etc: I test all alpha software inside a VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads) installation disconnected from the internet. Talk about peace of mind...

@ ReferenceDivx

Thanks for this build, but unfortunately it crashes in XP32 (VBOX) and Vista64 for me. I can see the statur bar, though - it just does not get any further than 0,13-0,33% before Windows informs me of its lamentable fate ;-)

And might I add that muxing several .ac3 and .sup files is MUCH more important than a GUI to me. Just my 2 cents for your roadmap...

As much as I disagree with Atak's tone, I have to agree with his point: Up until now I have not been able to sucessfully mux a HD DVD using hddvdmux.exe :-/ But it keeps looking more promising with each and every release.

[Atak_Snajpera]

As much as I disagree with Atak's tone, I have to agree with his point: Up until now I have not been able to sucessfully mux a HD DVD using hddvdmux.exe :-/ But it keeps looking more promising with each and every release.
This guy pisses me off big time! Few months ago we had a guy with new super codec called fairchild. I knew from the beginig that everything he was saying was a lie. Check this this thread http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=123673&highlight=fairchild
This guy plays with you all in the same way.

Thanks for this build, but unfortunately it crashes in XP32 (VBOX) and Vista64 for me. I can see the statur bar, though - it just does not get any further than 0,13-0,33% before Windows informs me of its lamentable fate ;-)

Hahahaha!!!! What did you expect???? Now he will tell you that this program only works with .NET 4.0 or Windows 7 or even octa-core :) If I was a mod I would ban him after first page.

[Ajax_Undone]

Wow sounds like Atak had his coffie fallowed by a booko energy drink...

Ok the Program sucks (and I mean that in a constructively critical way)... I believe that the fate of followers are base off of their own choices...

1. Atak You might be right!!!

2. This isn't a place to beat people up over there tried and failed attempts at helping...

3. I think that if every body just sit back and smoke some. They will see light at the end of this dark tunnel... Wait I see I see ummm hmmm uhh????? Rainbows? WOW

[ReferenceDivx]

I just added the source code for the latest version to my website. Hopefully you will see that i have put a lot of time into it. Its working for me, maybe you can see why its not working for you. Please excuse the tangental code, orphaned functions, and random sections that were never implemented. I had hoped to clean up the code a little more before i released it, but that is the way of life.

http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/code/vs2008-src021.zip

[Pitou]

I would say, thanks for the great work, I still use my Toshiba XA2 a lot.

Support for DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD, would be great!

Also, command line is fine for me, and it would be nice to have a Linux version, I'm using Ubuntu.

Pitou!

[KenD00]

I didn't like the tone of Atak_Snajpera but after looking at the source code i can't help but support him... although i don't think its a trojan horse ;).

Well, what do we have here? A Visual Studio 2008 Project, created by the project wizard with the wonderful name test :D. It includes the standard MFC crap and the standard ReadMe.txt. Furthermore, there are some files taken from open source projects and... uhhh... other files.

I don't know, but i haven't seem something like that before. I think someone had really much spare time to write down all those variables with all those fancy names and extracting binary data from ifo / movie / audio files and experimenting around what all those bytes mean. Some parts of the code look like they come straight from a disassembler :confused:. Honestly, i'm not sure if the author knows much about that what he's doing there, sorry.

Ben, is this a work for school that you and your friends are doing? You shouldn't have released the source, because then the dream of many people, having a great, free hd-dvd muxer, would last a little longer...

:rolleyes:

[Atak_Snajpera]

I didn't like the tone of Atak_Snajpera but after looking at the source code i can't help but support him...
So now you understand why I was so aggressive. I never attack honest people only scumbags like ReferenceDivx.

although i don't think its a trojan horse
Luckly He is too stupid for that :)

[ReferenceDivx]

Maybe you guys could give me some constructive ideas on moving forward with this project. I want to try to weed out all the un-necessary code first of all. Should i try to compile it differently? Any ideas why it works for me, but you can't get it to work?

thanks

[Ajax_Undone]

Well I have to say it is a mess as far as source code is concerned... But at leased we can physically see what hes has done... And like he said maybe some constructive criticism might help... (ie point out flaws and help correct them...)

[ReferenceDivx]

I tried to clean up as much as possible the superfluous code that is not needed. I only have code from one open source project now which is h264info. I added a link to the original h264_alpha0021_source file to my website. Version 0.22 includes these changes.

Thanks

[ReferenceDivx]

Ok, I think i figured out what is occuring. My program seems to only like being run on computers that have visual studio 2008 installed on them. It seems to work fine on two of my computers a xp and vista machine that both have vs 2008 installed on them. However i tried it on a friends computer that didnt have vs 2008 installed and it crashed without even starting. Does any of this make sense? How would i go about finding the bugs if it only works on computers with vs 2008 installed?

[ReferenceDivx]

Just released version 0.30. It should fix several issues people were having.
http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/code/vs2008-src030.zip

Please use the working sample video and audio files from my page to eliminate possible errors.
http://www.hddvdstrikesback.com/source.zip (has not changed)


It is now working on that machine that it was crashing on. Thus it has worked on every machine i have tested it on. 2 vista and one xp.

Change log for 0.30
-------------------
1. No longer looking for files that don't exist on most machines
2. Changed memory allocation routines
3. Changed how command line input works, it should look somthing like this now: hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724
4. Automatically determines if the ac3 file is legit and what bitrate it contains thus this is no longer needed in the command line

The bug that was causing it to crash in linux probably hasn't been fixed yet, but you never know.

[Atak_Snajpera]

I like the title "Maybe working open-source hd-dvd authoring tool vers 0.30" You have sense of humour ...

[neuron2]

I like the title "Maybe working open-source hd-dvd authoring tool vers 0.30" You have sense of humour ... Chill out, Atak. If you don't like the tool, don't read the thread. And re-read the forum rules, especially rule 4.

[Pitou]

ReferenceDivx,

Just to report...

I just tried version 0.30 on a full length 2 hours movie with a 640kbps AC3 audio track and it works fine in my Toshiba XA2.

Again, support for TrueHD and DTS-HD along with a linux command equivalent would be perfect!

Thanks.

Pitou!

[ReferenceDivx]

I discovered a bug that is causing some avc streams to become corrupted. You can see during playback if the colors blend between frames when being played back.


Evobdemuxer, evodemux, and tsmuxer seem to be demuxing fine. I contacted the author of eac3to to colaborate on fixing some demuxing issues.

Eac3to has two non critical issues still. First, Eac3to is complaining of authoring faults which is being caused by the pes field being short by one byte on very rare occasions. Second, the last (E-)AC3 frame is incomplete and thus gets skipped.

I hope to fix all these issues in the next release.

Thanks for the feedback. I hope you are enjoying the software and watching hd content on your hd-dvd player.

[shanghai2004]

Just released version 0.30. It should fix several issues people were having...


Despite some less then positive remarks, I decided to test it anyway. It works!

- Extracted about 34 minutes of the John Mayer Blueray disk using the Avisynth TRIM function in a script (to avoid wasting 30+ hours again in reencoding 2.5+ hours of video)
- Re-encoded , used today (oct 19) updated Standalone-HD-DVD profile in MeGUI.
- Made same section of audio and converted into, 16b48k, AC3 2ch 448kbps with delaycut.
- Tested the output files by muxing everything into MKV and playing in mplayer.
- Muxed with V0.3 of the tool. Tool runs and ends normally
- Burned with Nero, UDF 2.5 on 4x DVD-RW like instructed.
>>UDF 2.5 on DVD structure seems not to work in Toshiba HD-A1 player... Player says HD-DVD -> Play -> hangs
- Burned same structure again, but now with 'XBOX compatible' setting on UDF DVD-ROM.

Now disk plays perfectly in my HD-A1...!!! no stutters... perfectly in sync... nice quality also.

Edit: After playing the whole video without issue, my A1 player tries to read beyond the end of the file, resulting in a error message. Seems there is no end-of-stream marker.

Will convert the whole video later for final test.

Thanks for the tool!

Things most needed in my view for future versions
- Chapter support, e.g. by importing chapter file
- Support for 1080p30 (I have a lot of concert disks and those are often 1080i60, which I normally de-interlace to 30p)
- A method to include higher quality audio than AC3

[Undead Sega]

hey, so glad i was linked to this thread.

i have been having some problems when using HDDVDmux, it keeps crashing as soon as i start the process. ive even downloaded the Visual basics pacakage but that didnt help either.

can anyone help me on this?

[Undead Sega]

anyone at all? :(

[setarip_old]

@Undead Sega

Hi!

I think it's an abandoned project...

BTW - In my effort to track down similar software, I wrote to the author of "EVO Demux", asking if he/she would be willing to enhance the program to include conversion from BluRay format (or MKV, M2TS, or TS) to HD-DVD compliant "package"/format. The author stated that he/she had neither the time nor the inclination to do so...

[Undead Sega]

ohh that is such a shame! :(

im pretty sure HDDVDMux is good, but i just dont knwo why it wants to crash after 0.6%? and says the program is not responding. Wasnt there a reason why it was doing this? Probably because i changed the video stream file extension from .h264 to .264?

[Atak_Snajpera]

This was another phantom project. Can't you see that?

[laserfan]

im pretty sure HDDVDMux is good, but i just dont knwo why it wants to crash after 0.6%? and says the program is not responding. Wasnt there a reason why it was doing this? Probably because i changed the video stream file extension from .h264 to .264?I wonder why you would be "pretty sure HDVDMux is good" when you can't get it to work??? :confused:

Have you tried at least using the source the author has posted? That source works with the tool; I just tried it--at least it doesn't crash.

But it crashes with some other .264 and .ac3 I have here after a few milliseconds. Since others here have had success with it, I'm guessing that it is looking for 14 frame GOPs and maybe some other params as per the "suggested settings".

Maybe if you make all your encodings to HD DVD spec the tool might work. But clearly the author is long gone, not having posted here since last October. Thus the tool is as dead as or deader than the format! :(

[Undead Sega]

hmmm...so isnt there any other kind of similar program to this?

maybe the video stream isnt HD DVD compilant, therefore wouldnt there somesort of patch of a need to transcode the file to a compilant file?

[setarip_old]

so isnt there any other kind of similar program to this?No.

Re-read my previous post (and read between the lines)...

[Undead Sega]

EVO Demux? can that provide similar function?

[setarip_old]

EVO Demux? can that provide similar function?No, it only DEMULTIPLEXES (joined or single) .EVO files from within an HD-DVD.

Again, that's why I said re-read my earlier post, in which I said:I wrote to the author of "EVO Demux", asking if he/she would be willing to enhance the program to include conversion from BluRay format (or MKV, M2TS, or TS) to HD-DVD compliant "package"/format. The author stated that he/she had neither the time nor the inclination to do so...

If EVODemux had the capability to create HDDVD-compliant "packages", I certainly would have stated so (And would have had no reason to write to the author)

[Undead Sega]

ohh right...i understand now, its a shame that the author has no interest :( maybe alittle bit of flash of (small) cash might do the trick? :D

this has also lead me to another theory, if we could take either a .h264 or .264 file and transcode it under HD DVD standards and not really touching the bitrate and size and so on, would that probably help things?

[laserfan]

Can't be done without re-encoding. Thus the correct way to do it is to start from scratch with the original source.

[Undead Sega]

so ur saying there is absolutely no transcoding tool for HD DVD?

[laserfan]

Try MeGUI--last time I checked it had a HD DVD profile. But there's no magic involved, you just have to know all the right options for x264, and then add pulldown. Good luck!

[rack04]

ohh right...i understand now, its a shame that the author has no interest :( maybe alittle bit of flash of (small) cash might do the trick? :D

this has also lead me to another theory, if we could take either a .h264 or .264 file and transcode it under HD DVD standards and not really touching the bitrate and size and so on, would that probably help things?

That's the easy part. Finding software to author the HD DVD output is the difficult part.

[setarip_old]

@Pelican9

Hi!

Based on the newfound interest in HD-DVD format expressed on this thread, might you reconsider - and add BluRay to HD-DVD format conversion ability to your wonderful "EVODemux"?

[Undead Sega]

does the author visit this thread? :D

[deank]

Author's last activity:

# Last Activity: 21st December 2008 01:40

[laserfan]

I thought his last post was October. Anyway, we appear to be beating a (very) dead horse here!

[Undead Sega]

naaah, im sure there are other ways of contacting the authors, instead of through doom9.

[setarip_old]

@Undead Seganaaah, im sure there are other ways of contacting the authors, instead of through doom9. @Undead Sega

And as I already told you in my post #64 in this thread:@Undead Sega

I think it's an abandoned project...

BTW - In my effort to track down similar software, I wrote to the author of "EVO Demux", asking if he/she would be willing to enhance the program to include conversion from BluRay format (or MKV, M2TS, or TS) to HD-DVD compliant "package"/format. The author stated that he/she had neither the time nor the inclination to do so...

[Undead Sega]

ahh yes, sorry about that, i have reasd that before, i was mistakening it for anotherpost.

anyways, one reason why it would crash is because its not HD DVD compilant? isnt there somesort of patch, where u can patch the actual .264 file to correct some information within the stream?

[ReferenceDivx]

Its great to see all the interest still in the hd-dvd format. Unfortunately, I have moved on to other projects. If you use the right profile in megui to encode the video and have demuxed the correct audio track, you should be able to use my tool to author a hd-dvd.

[setarip_old]

If you use the right profile in megui to encode the videoWhat specific profile(s) would that/those be?

[ReferenceDivx]

i used these two profiles for my encodes in megui

Standalone-HD-DVD
program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 3 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --b-adapt 2 --b-rdo --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --trellis 2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --me umh --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd



Or Standalone-HD-DVD-Fast
program --pass 2 --bitrate 8000 --stats ".stats" --level 4.1 --keyint 14 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --bime --weightb --direct auto --filter -1:-1 --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14475 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --progress --no-psnr --no-ssim --output "output" "input" --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd

[Undead Sega]

well hold me down ..., can it be that ReferenceDivx has made a post here after so long?? :D

ReferenceDivx, even though u mentioned u ahve moved onto other projects, i just want o sa it would be great if u somewhat did briefly came back to this one as many problems are still occuring.

with the preferences mentioned above, could u potentially copy that as a metadata for when muxing in TSMuxer?

[laserfan]

with the preferences mentioned above, could u potentially copy that as a metadata for when muxing in TSMuxer?Those prefs are for x264 encoding, and have nothing to do with tsmuxer really. OTTOMH at least the keyint, vbv, and nal-hrd are probably needed on x264 encodings, before you get to the muxing step.

[Undead Sega]

oh okay then :(

well, ReferenceDivx, may i ask, why is it i am having this problem?

[setarip_old]

@ReferenceDivx

Why would your program require use of MEGUI at all?

Is there a specific reason it doesn't/wouldn't work with existing H.264 video/ .AC3 audio streams from, for argument's sake, a ripped BluRay?

[laserfan]

Is there a specific reason it doesn't/wouldn't work with existing H.264 video/ .AC3 audio streams from, for argument's sake, a ripped BluRay?How about "because that's a BluRay, not HD DVD". They are Different. If you want to know "how different" just compare the HD DVD and Blu-ray profiles that are used with MeGUI. But...

Don't get hung-up on MeGUI--you don't need MeGUI at all to make an HD DVD-compliant h264 encoding. You just need the proper x264 options as already indicated in RD's post.

[setarip_old]

@laserfan

If I have streams as follows: AC3 audio and Level 4.1 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video, what else in the listed profiles is REQUIRED that would/should make a true difference in the author's program's ability to successfully incorporate these streams into an HD-DVD "package"?

[laserfan]

@laserfan

If I have streams as follows: AC3 audio and Level 4.1 1920x1080 23.976 fps AVC video, what else in the listed profiles is REQUIRED that would/should make a true difference in the author's program's ability to successfully incorporate these streams into an HD-DVD "package"? I just gave my opinion on that 2 posts ago.

[setarip_old]

@laserfan

I presume you're referring to:the keyint, vbv, and nal-hrd are probably needed on x264 encodingsIf so, before re-encoding, is there a way to determine the actual values of these settings for (as in my example) already-existing files?

[laserfan]

MediaInfo gives you everything, except maybe nal-hrd; not sure what that one looks like. But you'll probably find different keyframe intervals than 14/2 in your existing files, and vbv as well..

[setarip_old]

@laserfan

Thanks for the info!

The funny thing is, I haven't even been able to get the author's "James Bond" sample to play ;>}

[laserfan]

I got his test one to work;the Paramount opening logo. But another encoding I had handy did not work. Here's what MediaInfo says about the test.264:
General
Complete name : D:\test.264
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 9.62 MiB

Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Bit rate : 4 000 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.080
Writing library : x264 core 64 r987M e71168d
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=6 /
psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 /
deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=2 / b_pyramid=0 /
b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=14 / keyint_min=2 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass /
bitrate=4000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 /
vbv_maxrate=24000 / vbv_bufsize=14475 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00

[setarip_old]

What a pleasant surprise! - Using this little program, I successfully converted a clip (approximately 400Mb) of the end credits of the BluRay disc "We Own the Night" to a semi-playable HD-DVD format.

A burned UDF v.2.50 single-layer DVD was accepted by a standalone HD-DVD player as being an HD-DVD and played. On the down side, the scrolling credits were interfered with by a large "HD-DVD" logo (output by the player) dead center onscreen and the audio broke-up accordingly, making listening a painful experience.

Despite my much earlier protestations, I now believe this program has promise, if only the author or (if approved by the author) some knowledgable programmer would pursue it further (The screennames "neuron2", "deank" and "Pelican9" come to mind)...

[Undead Sega]

thats cool to hear! :D however, im still havng the same problem, which is constantly frustrating me.

i've uploaded a screencap of what happens, can anyone help me on this? believe it or not, HDDVD is somewhat still alive :D

[Undead Sega]

hey everyone, me again, i went the whole extra mile which is that i (re)encoded a whole film using the parameters of SA-HDDVD, and it seems to have successfully muxed together, and outputted the necessary folders :D

from there, i am not entirely sure what to do next, i do have Nero that still has the HDDVD option to burn stuff, but i am not sure which one to select, and the exact settings inorder to make my HDDVD disc play on the players.

[setarip_old]

using the parameters of SA-HDDVDAlthough I'm sure it's referred to elsewhere, please be good enough to post these parameters back here - and the step by step procedures you used...

Congratulations!

[Undead Sega]

thansk very much!

only one problem, i do not know if i have to burn it on the HDDVD option of just an ordinary DVD option with the UDF 2.5 enabled?

[setarip_old]

Again, although I'm sure it's referred to elsewhere, please be good enough to post these parameters back here - and the step by step procedures you used...

Make your life simple and use (freeware) "IMGBurn" set to UDF 2.50 - no format choices necessary, it will burn your folders and files to a DVD9, if there's sufficient space...

[Undead Sega]

Indeed i will! :D

however, upon solving my problem as formentioned in my previous posts, a new one has arrived, itis simply as, when i muxed it together, and burned it as an image file to play as a disc on the computer, i foudn that a good few minutes where missing from the end to my suprise.

i demuxed the last HDDVD file of the working output folder, and found the same thing, that a few minsutes where missing. i checked the encoded .264 file and found it is complete, both video and audio.

this is slightly worrying me, could it be because of the 4172724 value which is the total number of 2048 byte packets to write on a DVD9?

[setarip_old]

Indeed i will!Well?

[Undead Sega]

It means i will, however i must overcome this problem i have, and that ive mentioned:

when i muxed it together, and burned it as an image file to play as a disc on the computer, i foudn that a good few minutes where missing from the end to my suprise.

i demuxed the last HDDVD file of the working output folder, and found the same thing, that a few minsutes where missing. i checked the encoded .264 file and found it is complete, both video and audio.

this is slightly worrying me, could it be because of the 4172724 value which is the total number of 2048 byte packets to write on a DVD9?

any idea may i ask?

[setarip_old]

any idea may i ask?Not presently...

[Undead Sega]

ahhh man, everything was goign well, its just this little hiccup! :( i still cannot see what is the problem.

i think it may have to do with the muxing process, maybe it cant handle a long duration time of the film? it seems to be limited to 2h27mins? Also, when using HDDVDMux to mux it, everyhing goes fine, however when it reaches 26.75%, it stays there but it keeps running, im not sure for how long but when i came back to my PC it seems to have done the job.

i dont see what could be the problem besides when it gets muxed, a small problem proably, or maybe its soemthing im doing wrong?

[setarip_old]

Have asked you twice and you've avoided answering, it seems like you're unwilling to share information, so likewise, I guess I'll leave you to your own devices...

[Undead Sega]

oh no no its not like that, i am very much wanting to share the thing, but only if I can get this to work, then i can give fullproof information that no one will be upset about :D

ive messaged the OP on my problem and i am yet to hear back. its just if i am to do a step by step on my procedures, i love to take time on it (partially because my computer isnt that stable and will soemtimes crash IE), and dont want to miss details :D

[setarip_old]

i am very much wanting to share the thing, but only if I can get this to workThen you are eliminating the possibility of anyone (OTHER THAN YOU) helping to discover the complete solution.

Bye...

[gregralph]

I have read every one of these post. I hate it when it just dead ends like this. I do find this interesting, because I too wish to burn HD DVD's and have been giving it a go for quite awhile with no good information to post.

[laserfan]

If your heart is set on authoring HD DVDs then maybe you want to buy Ulead MovieFactory 6 Plus with the HD plug-in. It has its own issues, and AFAIK won't be updated again either, but at least it works.

[Undead Sega]

i dont wish for it to be a dead end itself, and i believe it does work, but i only do have one problem, and that is the authored film that i have made is missing probably a few minutes at the end, and thats the only thing i want to solve before giving a full test drive (on a Xbox 360 HD DVD drive, or send the copy to someone with a standalone HD DVD player).

i suppose once i get that out of the way, i can fully back up this software as being the one :D and probably small interst will be gained again, in addition, it could be updated again.

[gregralph]

That is the problem there seems to be not much interest in HD DVD anymore. The ball got dropped too soon. I am still following this post with great interest. So, I guess I am one fan boy.

[Undead Sega]

Not only am i a fanboy, but i personally wholeheartedly believe it was the better format, and i was initially shocked that it lost the format war, because i thought despite the sale, it was the clear winner, also to speak on terms of royalties and producing expenses.

anyways, i would like to mention that i have done another HD DVD test, by encoding a shorter film, however once again like my previous authoring it was missing abit at the end, but not so much as before, this is probably due because of the different lengths of the films, so i am probably assuming if one film is this length u would be missnig this much adn etc.

i just burned an image through Nero and insert into a virtualdrive, and automatically PowerDVD opens up to play it. more or less, it plays its perfectly in terms on how it was authored. Now what i am ought to do now is purchase myself a DVD-R DL and burn the film onto the disc, i will pass this disc on to a friend who has a HDTV with a Xbox 360 with the HD DVD drive add-on, from there, i can tell wheather its all gone well.

Inspecting quality wise, although it may be a re-encode, the loss of quality isnt so dramatic as one thinks (from a DVD-9 encode to a DVD-9 re-encode) as you would get from a MPEG-2 encode, also it was done i 2 passes. More or less it merely looks like the quality was retained as much as possible, and with someone with a sharp eye upon close inspection is only able to tell the difference.

for now, i can say that HDDVDMux is doing a fine job, despite other things that can improve it, my only major concern is the ending cut-off which quite frankly can annoy alot, for example, usually you would get a small segment of film right after the credits, in this scenario, one would be dissapointed which one would not be able to see in this case.

[Undead Sega]

anyone at all?

setarip_old, i have finally shared my information, has it gave u any idea so far?

[Undead Sega]

bump!

anyone?

[setarip_old]

Please post here, in one post starting from the very beginning, ALL of your step by step procedures used, including software and parameters used for each step - ripping, converting, and burning...

[Undead Sega]

Heeey, don’t worry I have gotten your reply a while back ago, its just I have been typing this up in MS Word in case I wouldn’t loose such crucial typing in the process, and also due finishing up college which since just yesterday I am now a complete free man (I have mentioned this a few times in other forums that I make posts in).

Anyways, as I said, this is from MS Word, where I am typing the step by step instructions of what I’ve did, which nearly succeeded but the only thing that holds me back is the problem I have mentioned a few times on this thread itself Also this procedure is more or less how I work so probably don’t have to follow exactly everything but you can if u like, its just my method, especially when it comes to the calculations. Anyways once again, here we go:

Required software/applications (in no particular order):
- hddvdmux
- Avisynth
- MeGUI
- BeHappy (alternative or what tickles you)
- DGAVCIndex
- Nero (latest version is principle).
- Software you personally use to rip your HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays and into one file.
- A shitload of codecs.

Step 1: You can use any footage that you like, from almost any ‘legit and decent’ source, for the purpose of this and due to its nature I am going to say either acquire a movie from a HD DVD or a Blu Ray disc.

Step 2: I have not done this myself personally, but through the guides, tutorials and explanations from this website, rip or backup your HD DVD or Blu Ray by whatever means into one file. If this can be the case, I would recommend ripping them into their RAW streams, so 1 – Video, (X) – Audio files. If you are able to do this then that is great as it will help relate to the next step.

Step 3: Before anything with the video, you must consider the audio which is very important, because the standard bitrate for HD DVD audio is 448 kbps and the audio format that hddvdmux will accept is AC3. With this in mind, you can either use BeHappy or MeGUI to transcode your resulting audio. Take your intended audio stream, and open it in either of the two mentioned applications.

Step 4: When you have opened your audio stream in either of the applications, the settings towards this is pretty simple and can be done just through simple explanation. All you have to do is set the output to encode in AC3, and from there you can configure the codec settings by making sure you have the all the channels kept the same and etc. only have the bitrate set to 448 kbps. Start or Encode. After this, you shall have the resulting audio file which you will use when it comes to muxing them together. Also what is important is to note down what is the file size, you can simply know by either highlighting the file itself or just have your cursor floating on top of it, take note of what file size it is.

Step 5: Again With your RAW files, take your video stream and open it in DGAVCIndex, those who know how to use it will know what setting parameters to check in, those who don’t, please do read and ask about on how to use it correctly.

Step 6: Once added and opened in DGAVCIndex and applied the correct settings, SAVE the project and it will create a project file (.dga), preferably in the same folder as the rip.

Step 7: Once you have done that, you will need to make an Avisynth script loading the project file up so it can work when wanting to open it up in some editors. Now this can be quite frustrating for first timers, because you will need this and that to make the script itself work. Those who already have the required stuff, make the following script such as:

LoadPlugin("C:\X\DGAVCDecode.dll")
AVCSource("C:\X\X.dga")

Step 8: Once you have your script made, make sure you test it out first, like try importing it in VirtualDub, and see if it opens up like any other video that it can accept. When you know it works, you will now need to open up MeGUI, with all the latest updates installed. Once opened (and installed if necessary), import your Avisynth script and you will get a video preview window that will open (this is another way to make sure your script is correct), which you then may close.

Step 9: Now this is the tricky part because you are going to be encoding using x264, which is a great codec for making professional MPEG-4 Part 10/AVC/ H.264 videos. Anyways, this part and onwards is what I personally do to achieve the highest quality I can put onto a disc of whatever size, so I am not sure if I am keeping or going out of standard. When u already have loaded your Avisynth script, you should have a determined video output, quickly go to the setting called ‘File format’ and click on the drop down choices and you should see ‘RAWAVC’, click that and make sure it is selected, this is also very important what you did now, because you are to encode into a RAW video file, which is to be accepted through hddvdmux, only raws.

Step 10: Once you’ve got that potential hiccup out of the way, another might come around if you don’t do this next step, its very simple because of the greatness of the people who has worked on MEGUI and x264. Easily look for ‘Encoder Settings’ and click on drop down options, there you will find a bunch of choices (which are your codec’s presets), scroll down until you will find ‘x264: Standalone – HD-DVD, select this.

NOTE: Now this solely depends on what DVD disc you’re going to put it on, either a DVD−R SL (4384MiBs) or DVD+R DL (7961MiBs). For the purpose of this step by step, I will use the widely available DVD−R SL (4384MiBs), and do please take account of that size. You now must open (if you’re lazy) MS Windows Calculator. Here, you must enter the DVD disc size as mentioned, which is ‘4384’, with this digit you must minus or take away the file size of your transcoded AC3 file e.g. 307MB, therefore you will get 4384 – 307 = 4077. Note this number down.

Step 11: Now again, this is where you have to concentrate hard, back to MeGUI, on the top, click on ‘Tools’ and click on ‘Bitrate Calculator’ otherwise you can use the short cut ‘Ctrl + B’ a calculator window shall open up. All here is very easy to set up, if you’re a video guy you can enter all the correct information of your video (Hours, Minutes, Seconds etc.) and by doing this you should have the correct amount of seconds in length and frames displayed. Also what is important is to know what is the exact Framerate of your video, once or if you know you can select from the following framerates in the drop down choices, many times luckily in my case is 23.976, which is the framerate that hddvdmux claims to accept at the current time.

Make sure you don’t touch the Audio section of this calculator, otherwise you will screw it all up. Underneath that, there is the results section where you can select/enable the ‘Average Bitrate’ setting, do not touch this either because we are going to use this right at the end.

Next, is ‘Codec’ it should automatically be selected as ‘x264’ if not, please do so. After this there is ‘Container’, open the drop down menu and select ‘MP4’ as your container, purely because ‘MKV’ contains a few bytes more as a container than ‘MP4’ and I feel this is quite crucial to the bitrate as every single increment counts. Next is ‘Extra’…forget that.

After that is ‘Total Size’, it is important that you get this right. In this you are able to select different file sizes, including DVD disc sizes as well, but you would want to ignore those completely, instead click on ‘Select Size’ which you are able to input a custom file size in different digital information storages (KB, MB, GB), you will need to select ‘MB’, the reason being is because back in Step – 10 it was calculated what would be the file size if we removed the audio stream from the video that was authored onto a DVD−R SL, all of that was calculated from ‘MB’ file sizes. Assuming already what you need to put in here, in this example it would be ‘4077’ then click okay. Now you shall already find that the ‘Average Bitrate’ (as mentioned before not to touch) has changed in value, this is the bitrate you will need to carry over to the next step(s), note it down. With this, you are telling the calculator to calculate the bitrate for the video itself on the available space on the DVD disc that you plan to author it on.

Step 12: Afterwards click on the ‘Config’ button on your ‘Encoder Settings’. You will now have a new window open with loads of pretty adjustable settings for you to mess about, but I wouldn’t think about that anyways. Really in this step, you wouldn’t want to touch anything at all, because mainly I don’t know it myself completely, I am still quite new to understand it all. The only thing you want to adjust here is the Bitrate, this would determine your quality and file size at the end, and also this is where you placed your trust and math skills in place.

In here, only focus on the ‘General Section’. You will already find upon when selecting the HD-DVD preset that you will have settings already made for you, this being that in MODE: ‘Turbo’ is checked, and ‘Automated 2pass’ is selected, with the bitrate valued at ‘8000’, this is probably the only thing you will need to change, and as you can guess, change the current value to the value you have calculated in the Bitrate Calculator, that easy. When you click OK, you will get a message with choices upon you updating the profile, basically just click NO because you do not want to erase the HD-DVD preset, you will need it as it is and you can always make adjustments to it, but never overwrite it with what you have done, it will be made into a scratchpad, like a backup if you do loose your current settings.

NOTE: Now, you’re probably guessing its nearly time to encode, but please take the time to read this part; encoding MPEG-4 Part 10/AVC/ H.264 videos at High Definition resolution is a very heavy and long process, and consider the fact that a setting is selected as ‘Automated 2pass’, this means the process would include the application going through the video as a 1st pass, taking as much time as if it were encoding and then will proceed onto the 2nd pass, so you would have to somewhat almost dedicate a day or two for the whole thing to finish. However, ‘Automated 2pass’ is to actually determine and guarantee high quality, also because this setting is recommended for those who want to make a HD-DVD on a DVD−R SL disc, which is by far smaller than an HD-DVD disc itself and thus compression is greater, therefore going through the 2 pass route would indeed help on this situation to achieve better quality. However, if you are impatient, you can always change the mode to ‘2pass – 1pass’ which is essentially doing an encode straight away, but yet it can still take a heavy amount of time and it just barely slashes half the amount of time.

Step 13: After a good 12 steps, it is time for you to start making the magic happen :D which is just merely of you clicking ‘Enqueue’ and then, on the tabs above, click on the tab ‘Queue’, from there you will see a list of what will be processed, the second click is what will start it, you may at any time (if you’re patient) click on the ‘Start’ button and leave your computer alone, it is wise for nothing to be opened or you doing anything major while this is operating as it may affect the speed of the process altogether.

Step 14: After a day of not being able to do anything on the computer or to satisfy yourself with the means of using the computer, your encode will be or is complete. You have to be very careful that you do not delete this video, because you will have to go through another day without masturbation. Now with both of your encoded RAW files, rename them both to ‘test’ thus you will have ‘test.264’ and ‘test.ac3’. Cut and paste (Move) these two files directly in your hard drive (C:\), reason why I am mentioning this is because it will make things easier for hddvdmux to mux the files without having to type in long complicated directories and filenames.

Step 15: Once that is done, go through the procedure of having hddvdmux.exe running, now I am not going to go through exactly how to run this because if u don’t know how to run a DOS application, then you shouldn’t be using Microsoft Windows at all. Open and run hddvdmux and you should already get a simple procedure on what a user has to do:

“HD-DVD MUX 0.30 October 2th 2008
ALPHA release
AVC video must be 1080p24
Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus audio supported
Example of useage below
hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724”

This more or less already tells you what to do, if you have already and carefully followed the previous step(s) then this next one should be one of the last.

Step 16: Keeping open the DOS window, input the directory of where hddvdmux.exe is placed, hence example:

cd c:\X\hddvdmux030

Press Enter and you shall already have this directory as your main or default.

Step 17: Whilst you are in this directory, you may now enter the usage instructions that were made by ReferenceDivx himself:

hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724

Press Enter. The muxing begins.

Now, this also takes awhile depending how big the file size is but yet I still recommend not touching anything while such a delicate process is happening. What is happening and doing is, it is compiling the streams together and creates a folder in the structure of a HD-DVD onto your hard drive, which you can take this directly into Nero to burn. After a few minutes or so, you should have successfully completed muxing the streams and now in a HD-DVD compliant folder.

Potential Step 18: Now I myself haven’t actually burned the whole thing onto disc properly because when I did the first time, I thought it was faulty and binned it, you can easily follow the instructions on the first page of this thread on what parameter and settings you should use, I then looked over the video files and saw nothing was wrong with what I’ve done, on 2 accounts I saw that there was definately a problem, the problem I have mentioned in this thread about, which during at the end of the video in the muxed streams, there seems to be a small length of footage missing, which no one knows how to correct this but ReferenceDivx himself. Other than that, the DVD itself actually played as a HD-DVD, I can tell by this by when entering the disc into my drive, PowerDVD loads up and recognizes the medium as a HD-DVD and played well, I found this quite amazing.

This was my procedure on what I created two of my HD-DVDs which was actually fantastic, and if there was more evidence to show that this actually worked, then ReferenceDivx would have probably continued development on this, and correct the issue I am having. It can probably go as far as not only creating a stable version, but one with a GUI and where u can create menus and so on. It could be another way of reviving bigger interest of HD-DVDs if you know what I mean.

To setarip_old, I do apologize for this delay, as u can see, it is quite lengthy, but I hope it is what you are asking for, and I hope you can and many others will understand. I look forward to hearing back from you here (or anyone perhaps, especially ReferenceDivx), even if you haven’t tried it yet, I am wanting to know what you lot think on how I written this either way.

[setarip_old]

1) Please be good enough to upload a clip of your successful .EVO

2) Regarding the "small length of footage missing" at the end of the video, one could speculate that it's due to the difference between "a DVD−R SL (4384MiBs) and "hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724".

Have you tried replacing "4172724" with the result of converting 4,384MBs to KBs, which is 4,489,216KB?

OR

Have you tried replacing "4172724" with the sum of the KBs of your actual videostream plus your actual audiostream?

[Undead Sega]

2) Regarding the "small length of footage missing" at the end of the video, one could speculate that it's due to the difference between "a DVD−R SL (4384MiBs) and "hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724".

Have you tried replacing "4172724" with the result of converting 4,384MBs to KBs, which is 4,489,216KB?

OR

Have you tried replacing "4172724" with the sum of the KBs of your actual videostream plus your actual audiostream?


This is actually very interesting and this is what i first thought of first, however that is not the case, because my encodes ive done where both for DVD+R DL (7961MiBs) and the number '4172724' that ReferenceDivX gave :

4172724 //the total number of 2048 byte packets to write, the maximum value is 4172724 for a dvd9

so that amount can be used on both SL and DL discs and for the process as well.

[setarip_old]

Once again, please be good enough to upload a clip of your successful .EVO

however that is not the caseDid you actually TRY the values?

[Undead Sega]

Once again, please be good enough to upload a clip of your successful .EVO

Did you actually TRY the values?

upload a full .EVO file??

i think u are still misunderstanding, the value '4172724' is for DVD9, not DVD5. Just because it resembles the value for a capacity of a DVD5, doesnt precisely mean it is for that, thoerwise it is mroe or less saying that ReferenceDivx is wrong on what he is saying. Otherwise, iw ould instead use the value '8345448' ?

[setarip_old]

upload a full .EVO file??No - Read carefully:
Once again, please be good enough to upload a clip of your successful .EVOJust a small piece...

And yet again, my question is a simple one - Did you actually TRY the values?

[laserfan]

the value '4172724' is for DVD9I have no idea why ReferenceDivx needs-or-uses 4172724 as the number of SECTORS in a DVD+R DL; for a Verbatim the number is actually 4,173,824.

[Undead Sega]

okay everyone, before i can continue, i need a big favour from any one of you.

basically, my hddvdmux application somewhat got corrupted recently (maybe because my antivirus might have mistaken it for something or whatever after all this time), therefore i need someone to upload me the hddvdmux030.zip that was originally on hte website which is closed down.

i am hoping someone here might have a copy laying around i would really appreciate it if they can give me a copy. please :D

thanks.

[setarip_old]

Cooperation works both ways:

Yet again, please be good enough to upload a clip of your successful .EVO

Did you actually TRY the values?

[Undead Sega]

look, the only way for me to do that, is to remux my two video streams, becuse i do not have them anymore, but i was luckily enough to still have the raw streams.

i was in the process of doing what u requested only to find out that the application doesnt work anymore, please anyone if u can upload me the programm again, because tomorrow i am going on holiday for 2 weeks and i want this to be sorted out as soon as possible.

i would really appreciate it. and im really sorry about this as well (especially to setarip_old ).

thanks.

[Undead Sega]

hello everyone, how r u all? i am messaging from Syria here, i am just here keeping up to date with stuff and also i was hoping if anyone has uploaded me a file of the program by now? i am still looking forward to it to help me finish this matter.

dont worry, i am not cheating anyone or as such, i am as suprised as you are regarding why my application doesnt work anymore even after a day that i just used it. again, i would really appreciate it. i'll be back once again.

[ReferenceDivx]

Hey guys its cool to see that you are still interested in this program.

I see you guys have a copule of questions that should be answered by me.

First of all, the number 4172724 is the number of (2048 byte sectors) that would consistently work for me. There is a small amount of overhead in the other necessary files and directories for the hddvd.

Second, there is a small amound of overhead for the muxing of the video and audio. I calculated that it is about 1.5 to 2 percent. So the program might cut off the last few minutes of the video if you dont take this into account.

Third, the last few seconds of video might unplayable. This is because i never wrote the functions to close out the disc properly. Sorry guys.

If anyone has a copy of the program could you please post a link so it can be downloaded by others.

P.S. This has been a very difficult last year for me. I really wish i could have made a program that had better functionality and worked more reliably. Sometimes you just have to quit and go on to another journey in life.

[Undead Sega]

heeey ReferenceDivX, its so great to hear back from you here! how you doing if u dont mind me asking? hope all is well, anyways, i hope u are still around here as i was hoping u can help me with some stuff here.

Regarding that i am glad u hve mentioned and cleared up a few things that was of concerned, like number 4172724, and the overhead which causes the cut off at the end of the video.

However, i was wondering, how do you overcome that? because that happens to be my only problem i ve when muxing a HD-DVD. because of that also, that what makes the last few seconds of the video unplayable.

I could probably understand ur life during the last year, we've all experienced it (us older guys) but i believe ur program can really make a difference, and that its the only HD-DVD authoring tool to accept AVC video streams. if u can help me with this (the formentioned problems) that will successfully create a working HD-DVD for me, i think i would like to advice to pursue or continue this application. I do think it has been a good break from it until now :D

[deank]

Since the original site is no longer available, here is a link to a self-extractable 7z archive of the original folder:

HDDVD.exe (http://rapidshare.com/files/257492234/HDDVD.exe) (850KB)

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Don't you find it unusual that the author, "ReferenceDivx" is asking others to provide him/her with a copy of his/her own program?

[deank]

Well, it seems that the hddvdstrikesback domain is not paid and download link is not available, so may be the author doesn't have the archive (or time to upload it to another server).

[Undead Sega]

hello everyone, came back from holiday and finally gotten the application from wonderful peiople here who helped and immediantly went about authoring again a HDDVD, and trimmed an .evo file as a sample from the film Resident Evil: Degeneration and here it is:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1594867372344f1408f8df73f2072ed6e04e75f6e8ebb871

i hope this works for everyone here and every meaning :D

[Undead Sega]

hmmm...anyone at all may i ask? its only 100MB so it should be decent enough of footage in there, if it isnt good enough (because of it being a dark scene) let me know and i can quickly upload another while i hve the time.

[deank]

I downloaded the sample... not that I can use it :)

Is there a chance that you create a full HD-DVD structure with such a small duration and upload it (not just the .evo file). I'll try to add HD-DVD functionality in multiAVCHD.

It will ease all the steps for users like you.

Dean

[Undead Sega]

well, i could do something but it will a little bit eliminate the whole purpose of what i was trying to do but wat i can do is take a HD trailer and make a HDDVD out of it. and upload an ISO file of it as well.

sounds good?

[deank]

Yeah, but don't bother. I forgot that I can create HD-DVD myself... I'll let you know later if I can be of any help.

I was never able to use hddvdmux.exe - always getting 'general protection error' / 'application stopped working...'.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!I forgot that I can create HD-DVD myself...Would you please be good enough to share your methodology for accomplishing this?

[deank]

I'm using Nero Vision @ my office.

Not that it creates the 'real' structure, because there are no 'feature_XX.evo' files but it is a start.

[setarip_old]

@deank

As I've mentioned to you (and others) before, if you CAN determine how to create the proper/formal HD-DVD structure, it would be a very useful tool (Should you need specific examples, there are many very inexpensive [$1-$3 US] commercial HD-DVDs available through Amazon "dealers")...

[Undead Sega]

@deank

As I've mentioned to you (and others) before, if you CAN determine how to create the proper/formal HD-DVD structure, it would be a very useful tool (Should you need specific examples, there are many very inexpensive [$1-$3 US] commercial HD-DVDs available through Amazon "dealers")...

what was wrong with the method i used? and i also even provided a sample clip which u have kindly requested, have u even downloaded it yet?

[deank]

@deank

As I've mentioned before, if you CAN determine how to create the proper/formal HD-DVD structure, it would be a very useful tool (Should you need specific examples, there are many very inexpensive [$1-$3 US] commercial HD-DVDs available through Amazon "dealers")...

Yes, it is not like Bulgaria is the favourite shipping destination and I have no HD-DVD player/reader.

what was wrong with the method i used? and i also even provided a sample clip which u have kindly requested, have u even downloaded it yet?

Nothing was wrong. I downloaded it, but it just a single .evo and I needed the whole structure.

I already added .evo to multiAVCHD, now I need to add the reverse.

Dean

[Undead Sega]

you could have always demuxed it and remux it into an MKV or an MP4 container.

[setarip_old]

@Undead Sega

Throughout this entire thread, you've been resisting people trying to move things further along.

Since it appears that you have thusfar been the only person to successfully use the apparently less-than-perfect program authored by "ReferenceDivx", you are being asked by the extremely cooperative, knowledgable, and helpful "deank" to simply make a VERY SMALL but COMPLETE HD-DVD (Including all files and folders that comprise the structure), so that he can possibly create a more complete, professional way to create HD-DVD format sets, perhaps including the ability to process other filetypes in addition to MPEG4-AVC/H264.

Therefore, perhaps without further ado, you'll be good enough to help yourself and others, by complying with the simple request made of you by "deank".

We all thank you for your anticipated cooperation...

[deank]

I spent the good part of the day editing the source (of hddvddemux.exe), trying to eliminate all buffer overflows, that cause the crash of this application. Of course - no more crashes, but the final .evo is unplayable :) - so a wasted day.

Anyway... At least I have success in encoding a 1280x720 video + DTS audio to a working HD-DVD structure (1920x1080 + AC3).

Here is a 20MB sample (http://rapidshare.com/files/262157927/HD-DVD-TEST-2.exe) if anyone with HD-DVD player can test. Of course - chapters, different audio codecs, subtitles and non AVC video are not possible, due to this program restricted functionality. May be chapters are possible to add in the .ifo, but that will need time.

Dean

p.s. I tested bitrates up to 15000, encoding with the old x264 (because I had no time to study the new profiles and options changes)

edit:

multiAVCHD now can reencode and generate HDDVD output with hddvddemux. It will reencode a (marked) title and will extract 1st audio track and convert it to AC3 (or will use the 1st external audio file and will convert it to AC3). Each title goes into different folder, but if there is any interest at all I can try to put multiple HD-DVD titles in a single directory.


[20:11:25] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 667)
[20:11:25] Selected output mode: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)

[20:11:25] Processing 3 titles...
[20:11:25] Processing (D:\MJ Memorial.AC3.mkv)...
[20:11:25] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[20:11:25] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[20:11:25] *** Initiating video encoding:
[20:11:25] *** Original : 1280x720
[20:11:25] *** Crop : 0
[20:11:25] *** Resize : 1920x1080
[20:11:25] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[20:11:25] *** Sharpen : 0
[20:11:25] *** Bitrate : 3916 kbps
[20:11:25] *** Level : 4.1
[20:11:25] *** B-frames : 3
[20:11:25] *** Ref-frames: 3
[20:11:25] *** Framerate : 23.976
[20:11:25] *** Two-pass : No
[20:11:25] *** Profile in use: (HD-DVD profile)
[20:11:25] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[20:14:15] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[20:14:15] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[20:14:15] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[20:14:15] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3 (48000Hz 6ch) Language: und
[20:14:15] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #2...
[20:14:15] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[20:14:32] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[20:14:32] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp_calcit\mj memorial.t2.ac3", lang=und
[20:14:32] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[20:14:32] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:01:00
[20:14:32] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[20:14:36] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[20:14:37] Processing (D:\WALL-E cut.mkv)...
[20:14:37] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[20:14:37] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[20:14:37] *** Initiating video encoding:
[20:14:37] *** Original : 1280x528
[20:14:37] *** Crop : 0
[20:14:37] *** Resize : 1920x792
[20:14:37] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[20:14:37] *** Sharpen : 0
[20:14:37] *** Bitrate : 4783 kbps
[20:14:37] *** Level : 4.1
[20:14:37] *** B-frames : 3
[20:14:37] *** Ref-frames: 3
[20:14:37] *** Framerate : Original
[20:14:37] *** Two-pass : No
[20:14:37] *** Profile in use: (HD-DVD profile)
[20:14:37] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[20:17:23] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[20:17:24] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[20:17:24] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[20:17:24] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3 (48000Hz 6ch) Language: bul
[20:17:24] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #2...
[20:17:24] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[20:17:40] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[20:17:40] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp_calcit\wall-e cut.t2.ac3", lang=bul
[20:17:53] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:01:00
[20:17:53] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[20:17:59] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[20:17:59] Processing (D:\Open.Season.2.cut.mkv)...
[20:17:59] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[20:17:59] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[20:17:59] *** Initiating video encoding:
[20:17:59] *** Original : 1920x1080
[20:17:59] *** Crop : 0
[20:17:59] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[20:17:59] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[20:17:59] *** Sharpen : 0
[20:17:59] *** Bitrate : 6524 kbps
[20:17:59] *** Level : 4.1
[20:17:59] *** B-frames : 3
[20:17:59] *** Ref-frames: 3
[20:17:59] *** Framerate : Original
[20:17:59] *** Two-pass : No
[20:17:59] *** Profile in use: (HD-DVD profile)
[20:17:59] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[20:20:05] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[20:20:06] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[20:20:06] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[20:20:06] Detected audio: ID#2:A_DTS (48000Hz 16bit 6ch) Language: eng
[20:20:06] Attempting to convert A_DTS audio track #2...
[20:20:06] Encoding A_DTS to AC3...
[20:20:22] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[20:20:22] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp_calcit\open.season.2.cut.t2.ac3", lang=eng
[20:20:22] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:00:45
[20:20:22] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[20:20:28] HD-DVD muxing completed!


http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_HDDVD.jpg

***

Also I just tried with an Apple trailer (wildocean_h1080p.mp4) with AAC audio and it worked, too.

A link to the HD-DVD converted structure (120MB): here (http://rapidshare.com/files/262237415/HD-DVD-Wild_Ocean.exe)


[21:16:28] Processing one title...
[21:16:28] Processing (D:\Downloads\__TEST\wildocean_h1080p.mp4)...
[21:16:28] Pre-processing MP4 file...
[21:16:37] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[21:16:37] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[21:16:37] *** Initiating video encoding:
[21:16:37] *** Original : 1920x1080
[21:16:37] *** Crop : 0
[21:16:37] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[21:16:37] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[21:16:37] *** Sharpen : 0
[21:16:37] *** Bitrate : 9266 kbps
[21:16:37] *** Level : 4.1
[21:16:37] *** B-frames : 3
[21:16:37] *** Ref-frames: 3
[21:16:37] *** Framerate : Original
[21:16:37] *** Two-pass : No
[21:16:37] *** Profile in use: (HD-DVD profile)
[21:16:37] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[21:22:07] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[21:22:07] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[21:22:07] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[21:22:07] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AAC (44100Hz 16bit 6ch) Language: und
[21:22:07] Attempting to convert A_AAC audio track #2...
[21:22:07] Demuxing AAC audio...
[21:22:09] Decoding AAC to PCM audio...
[21:22:11] Encoding PCM to AC3 audio...
[21:22:30] AAC to AC3 conversion successful!
[21:22:30] Added audio: A_AC3, "D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP_calcit\temp-2.ac3", lang=und
[21:22:30] M2TS stream split set at 4000MiB...
[21:22:30] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[21:22:49] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[setarip_old]

@deank

Hi!

The sample you've provided plays perfectly (from .ISO image file and from burned DVD5) under PowerDVD v.7.3!

Unfortunately, for some reason, my (standalone) Toshiba HD-A3 is seeing the disc as a "non-compliant DVD", rather than as an HD-DVD.

Since I have a vague recollection of my long ago partially successful use of the original program by "ReferenceDivx" (DVD5 was accepted as an HD-DVD by the Toshiba HD-A3), I feel comfortable in surmising that something further needs to be done with your adaptation.

I'll examine one of my original HD-DVDs and see if, as a layman, I can spot anything obvious.

It looks like you're almost there ;>}


**EDIT** Adding ".BUP" files did not resolve anything. Still plays under PowerDVD v.7.3 and still is rejected by the Toshiba HD-A3...

[deank]

I can only test with Nero Showtime and the output works there. The folder output is 100% pure hddvddemux.exe output and multiAVCHD does not touch it (atm).

It is possible that there is something wrong in the x264 encoding parameters, but I can't know for sure and which one. It took some time to make x264 create a .264 which hddvddemux will accept without crashing.

I'll post another 3 samples in a moment.

Wild ocean (http://rapidshare.com/files/262237415/HD-DVD-Wild_Ocean.exe) (120MB)
Captivity (http://rapidshare.com/files/262248010/HD-DVD-Captivity.exe) (150MB)

PB Cut (http://rapidshare.com/files/262249448/HVDVD_TS.exe) (10MB) (with bup and no adv_obj)

edit: I was to suggest about the .BUP files. Can you also remove ADV_OBJ folder and try again? I guess you 'backed-up' the .ifo files as bup, right?

[setarip_old]

I was to suggest about the .BUP files. Can you also remove ADV_OBJ folder and try again? I guess you 'backed-up' the .ifo files as bup, right?Yes, that's how I created the ".BUP" files.

I'll now try your "PBCut" and post findings, since you indicate it DOES NOT contain an "ADV_OBJ" folder. If I do so, is there anything further/different to be accomplished by downloading and burning the other two samples? (I ask because I don't have any rewritables at the moment - not that the world will come to an end for using a dozen or so discs, if it helps you create something that I would have great personal use for ;>})

[deank]

PB cut is almost the same as other samples, so better try it.

I'll do some more tests tomorrow.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Sorry to say I obtained identical results using the "PB Cut" package.

Should I or shouldn't I try either "Captivity" or "Wild Ocean" now?

The discs DO require UDF 2.50, don't they?

[Undead Sega]

hey guys, i was about to upload a HDDVD iso of a trailer that i recently made, but whats going on here now? im abit confused.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Thusfar, all of the following played under PowerDVD v.7.3 but yielded negative results on the Toshiba (seen as "non-compliant DVD"):

1) (SONY) DVD5 - Booktype set to "DVD-ROM" - "HD-DVD-Test_2" and "PB CUT"
2) (SONY) DVD5 - Booktype set to "DVD+R" - "PB CUT"
3) (SONY) "PB CUT" Unchanged
4) (Verbatim) "PB CUT" changed from 29.970fps to 24fps (as "required" by "ReferenceDivx" program)
5) (Verbatim) DVD9 - All written to one layer
6) (Memorex) DVD9 - Data split evenly to each of the two layers

[deank]

You did a lot of tests :)

The only thing I can think of is x264 encoding options. May be Undead_Sega should point out how he encoded the .264 before muxing with hddvddemux.exe.

[setarip_old]

@deank

If you read the convoluted posts by "Undead Sega", you'll note that he/she has NEVER tried a burned disc on a standalone player (Refers to sending it to a friend to try on an XBox 360). Therefore, any reference to "success" would be exactly the same as where we are presently - only known to play properly on a PC.

If I remember correctly, the long ago partial success I had with the Toshiba seeing the disc as an HD-DVD was based on a small sample of Paramount opening credits that I downloaded from the now non-existent site of "ConvertDivx". If you have that sample (and a "James Bond longer sample), perhaps you'd be good enough to upload it here - and maybe burning a disc with the Paramount demo (and, possibly, the Bond demo) will provide us with the necessary insight...

I think mixed in this link you may be able to cull out the information regarding the x264 usage:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1302672&postcount=120

[deank]

I use these encoding parameters, too.

Ok, if you have multiAVCHD downloaded yesterday - you can start it and it will update to 667. Or you can download the complete package again.

Marking a title as HD-DVD is done in "Title properties" / Uncrop / Set for HD-DVD output. You need to set resize/uncrop to 1920x1080 and Framerate to 23.976 (or original if your video is already 23.976). For short tests you can "trim end" the title, so you can have only few mins encoded and not the whole thing. (for example trim 0 - 120 for 2 mins)

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hdunc.jpg

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deankMarking a title as HD-DVD is done in "Title properties" / Uncrop / Set for HD-DVD output.

I hate to sound stupid but, then what do I select in order to create the EVO file, IFOs and BUPs, and HVDVD_TS folder? After clicking "Start", I see no options related to HD-DVD (Only see PS3, AVCHD, BluRay options)

[deank]

Just do what I showed in the screenshot above. Output mode (after start button) makes no difference... Just click Playstation3 for example. I had no time to change the overall workflow of multiAVCHD... not until this HD-DVD thing really proves to work.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Before I asked you about this, I had selected "BluRay" - and the output was typical BluRay folders and files - plus an EMPTY folder named "HDAVCTN".

There were no EVO, IFO, BUP files created.

Please advise

**EDIT** Just got same results using PS3...

[deank]

It seems you're skipping the most important thing - setting a title for HD-DVD mode.

1) Load a file in multiAVCHD
2) Media tab: click the name in "Title properties" group box
3) New window (as in my screenshot) will appear
4) Click the UNCROP button
5) Click "Set for HD-DVD output" and set resize/uncrop to 1920x1080 and change fps
6) Click APPLY
7) Click "OK" to close title properties
8) Click "START" and then any button.

In the log file you will see REENCODING and Profile: HD-DVD. Posting your log may help, too.

[setarip_old]

Nope, I've not overlooked placing a checkmark next to "Set for HD-DVD output". I've performed the 8 steps that you've listed.

Here's a log:[00:42:40] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 667)
[00:42:40] Selected output mode: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)

[00:42:40] Processing 2 titles...
[00:42:40] Temp folder does not exist. Set to E:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP.
[00:42:40] Processing (C:\VideoStuff\BD_WorkC\WORKFILES\00000.m2ts)...
[00:42:40] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[00:42:40] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[00:42:40] *** Initiating video encoding:
[00:42:40] *** Original : 1920x1080
[00:42:40] *** Crop : 0
[00:42:40] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[00:42:40] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[00:42:40] *** Sharpen : 0
[00:42:40] *** Bitrate : 4931 kbps
[00:42:40] *** Level : 4.1
[00:42:40] *** B-frames : 3
[00:42:40] *** Ref-frames: 3
[00:42:40] *** Framerate : Original
[00:42:40] *** Two-pass : No
[00:42:40] *** Profile in use: HD-DVD
[00:42:40] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[00:46:26] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[00:46:26] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[00:46:26] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[00:46:26] Total of 1 tracks found in this file.
[00:46:26] Adding audiofile (00000.track_4352.ac3)
[00:46:26] Media split set at 3999MiB point...
[00:46:26] Title is trimmed: 00:00:00 - 00:02:00
[00:46:26] Creating clip and playlist info (tsMuxeR)...

tsMuxeR (Version 1.10.6) output:
===============================================================================
Decoding H264 stream (track 1): Profile: High@4.1 Resolution: 1920:1080p Frame rate: 23.976
H.264 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=23.976
Decoding AC3 stream (track 2): Bitrate: 640Kbps Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 6
B-pyramid level 1 detected. Shift DTS to 2 frames
Processed 2879 video frames
Creation of Blu-ray playlist
Creation of Blu-ray stream info and seek index
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 1 sec
===============================================================================

[00:46:28] Preprocessing audio title (C:\VideoStuff\BD_WorkC\WORKFILES\00000.track_4352.ac3).
[00:46:28] Processing audio...
[00:46:28] Output bit depth: 16 bit
[00:46:28] Preparing audio title background (NTSC).
[00:46:31] Muxing...
[00:46:41] Completed!

[00:46:41] Setting resolution (1080p).
[00:46:41] Media transfer: 00000 -> 00000.m2ts
[00:46:44] Setting resolution (1080i).
[00:46:44] Processing playlist...
[00:46:44] Title #1 added: "00000 track 4352"
[00:46:44] Verifying title...
[00:46:52] Title has: 1 audio tracks and 1 subtitle tracks

[00:46:52] Preparing authoring information...

[00:46:52] Setting menu for 1 titles...
[00:46:53] Playback will end after title #1.
[00:46:53] Playback will start with title #1 (00000 track 4352).
[00:46:53] Setting menu properties...
[00:46:53] Selected TV system: [NTSC]
[00:46:53] Processing clip (CPI/CLPI) files...
[00:46:53] Completed.
[00:46:53] Setting Blu-ray format...
[00:46:53] Done!

[00:46:54] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[00:46:54] E:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HDDVD_TS\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: Blu-ray player (BD-R/BD-RE disc)
Name : INVINCIBLE
===============================================================================
1. 00000 track 4352 [01:43:59]
===============================================================================
Overall duration : 01:43:59
Output size : 590 MiB (0.577 GiB)

[00:46:54] E:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HDDVD_TS folder created!
[00:46:54] Burn its CONTENTS to BD-R/RE UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[deank]

Oh.. sorry about that..

HD-DVD works only for MP4, MKV and AVI (but don't try with AVI now... test it with some small MKV).

Dean

[setarip_old]

Thanks for clarifying - I was really beginning to worry about one or the other of us ;>}

Once you/we have gotten the HD-DVD function producing discs that are playable on HD-DVD standalones, would you be able to add .M2TS files as an input format? That would allow for conversion of my growing collection of "BD-Rebuilder" compressed BluRays to HD-DVDs

By the way, how is it that you are so well spoken in English? (The Chinese "Dean" is very creative)

[deank]

Use multiUPDATE (if not asked for autoupdate). I included m2ts/ts/trp...and all other types for HD-DVD.

And something else:

1) Try to keep path+filenames+titlename shorter, because hddvddemux crashes if length is >200 characters.
2) Your log shows you are adding "Audio titles" - this is a completely different function of multiAVCHD (for creating audioBD discs).
If you want to add external audio tracks to a title - in title properties go to "Audio files" and add the external one.

We should've tested Nero output with your player, before putting any hopes in this. Here is a sample from Nero (http://rapidshare.com/files/262521636/HVDVD_TS_NERO.exe).

Also you may take a look at this link (http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/hddvd/thread/8855e4d2-2b86-453c-bbb6-43871a29a3c6/).

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Same results with your NERO clip (Odd clip - 15 seconds video and audio, then 45 seconds of audio-only)...

[setarip_old]

@deank

Success - mystery solved!

After culling through the old thread you provided a link to ("social.msdn", etc.), something rang a bell regarding my long ago partial success:

In addition to the "HVDVD_TS" folder of your "Test2" (NO "ADV_OBJ" folder necessary, since package being created is "Standard" and not "Advanced", I created a standard DVD structure (VIDEO_TS folder containing a blank .VOB plus the necessary .IFO and .BUP) and burned a UDF 2.50 data disc (Saying "No" to both of IMGBurn's suggestions to burn as "DVD" and to use UDF 1.02).

Now I'm off to use the latest version of your program to see if I can successfully convert an .M2Ts for playback on the Toshiba...

[deank]

Yes, VIDEO_TS was the idea behind my suggestion to take a look at the thread. Since I have no means to test it, it's all in your hands now. :)

(About the weird nero clip - sorry - i just cut the video hence the audio-only part)

Let me know of any outcome.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Still unable to succesfully use your program - even with an MKV clip of h264/2ch ac3. If there's anything in the following log that indicates the nature of the problem, please advise:[12:45:05] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 667)
[12:45:05] Selected output mode: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)

[12:45:05] Processing one title...
[12:45:05] Processing (C:\BluRay_MKV\BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts)...
[12:45:05] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[12:45:05] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[12:45:05] *** Initiating video encoding:
[12:45:05] *** Original : 1920x1080
[12:45:05] *** Crop : 0
[12:45:05] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[12:45:05] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[12:45:05] *** Sharpen : 0
[12:45:05] *** Bitrate : 4504 kbps
[12:45:05] *** Level : 4.1
[12:45:05] *** B-frames : 3
[12:45:05] *** Ref-frames: 3
[12:45:05] *** Framerate : Original
[12:45:05] *** Two-pass : No
[12:45:05] *** Profile in use: HD-DVD
[12:45:05] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[12:48:48] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[12:48:49] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[12:48:49] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[12:48:49] Encoding ac3 audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[12:48:54] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[12:48:54] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[12:48:54] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[12:48:54] HD-DVD muxing failed!

[12:48:54] No compatible folders/files processed...

BTW - Why does it create a "..264" (Yes, TWO periods) in the SOURCE folder?

Also, does it really have to re-encode an already x264 encoded ".264" videostream?

[deank]

It creates the .264 file, because it is needed for the muxing part (be it for hddvdmux or tsmuxer). The 2 dots are probably just a typo, which does not affect the compilation.

If there is no .evo created, multiAVCHD reports failure. There is not much I can do about it.

And source needs to be reencoded (even if it is already x264) because for some reason keyint >14 breaks hddvdmux "operation".

I will test with another m2ts, but I got no errors so far.

Did you manage to get at least ONE DVD to play in your player?

[setarip_old]

Did you manage to get at least ONE DVD to play in your player?Of course I did - that's what my6 post #169 to this thread is all about!

The following is what resulted in a DVD5 playable on the Toshiba:In addition to the "HVDVD_TS" folder of your "Test2" (NO "ADV_OBJ" folder necessary, since package being created is "Standard" and not "Advanced", I created a standard DVD structure (VIDEO_TS folder containing a blank .VOB plus the necessary .IFO and .BUP) and burned a UDF 2.50 data disc (Saying "No" to both of IMGBurn's suggestions to burn as "DVD" and to use UDF 1.02).

[deank]

I just needed a confirmation, because it was not really clear to me.

I can make multiAVCHD produce the VIDEO_TS + the blank dummy structure.

So we have some progress in just 2 days :) which is a good thing I guess.

I will test with m2ts later/tomorrow. Please post what files you can process and which give you 'mux error'.

Again: please use source and destination paths as short as possible. I changed hddvdmux.exe to handle longer paths, but it is not included in the release you have.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deankPlease post what files you can process and which give you 'mux error'.ALL attempts at creating HD-DVD files/folders have failed - using M2TS directly from ripped BluRay "Stream" folders, (non-BluRay) M2TS file created with "tsMuxeR", MKV created by "MKVMerge".


If there is no .evo created, multiAVCHD reports failure. There is not much I can do about it...
I got no errors so far.Naah, if you've gotten no errors so far, there must be something obvious that's causing my repeated failed attempts. Perhaps it has something to do with file placement - Do you place the MKV (or M2TS) in a particular folder (Perhaps the same folder with your program?

I believe I have have AviSynth v.2.57 installed. Is that okay in support of your program, specifcally regarding conversion to HD-DVD?

If you have a BD-Rebuilder "movie-only" .M2TS file, would you be good enough to try converting that to HD-DVD? (Presently, such files are my only source for trying the conversion, either in their initial .M2TS format or converted to MKVs)

[deank]

My configuration is with avisynth 2.58, but I don't think it makes a real difference, because it is the x264 options that are important.

The only failures I had was long paths+filenames. When hd-dvd mux fails what do you have in the output HD-DVD-**** folder?

Dean

p.s. Ok, I'm currently processing a 00001.m2ts file from a stream folder. It is 1280x720@23.976fps with DTS audio.

[setarip_old]

@deank

Sorry, I just finished resurrecting the system I'm using for video projects.

I did as you said - and I see you've added a debugger - and guess what? It appears that the downloads do not include the required "HDDVDMUX.EXE" tool:[21:39:08] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 667)
[21:39:08] Selected output mode: Playstation 3 (USB/SDHC/MS)

[21:39:08] Processing one title...
[21:39:08] Existing E:\HD_Dean\AVCHD\ renamed to E:\HD_Dean\AVCHD-20090801-213908
[21:39:08] Processing (E:\multiAVCHD\CaddyClip.m2ts)...
[21:39:08] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[21:39:08] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[21:39:08] *** Initiating video encoding:
[21:39:08] *** Original : 1920x1080
[21:39:08] *** Crop : 0
[21:39:08] *** Resize : 1920x1080 (No change)
[21:39:08] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[21:39:08] *** Sharpen : 0
[21:39:08] *** Bitrate : 35736 kbps
[21:39:08] *** Level : 4.1
[21:39:08] *** B-frames : 3
[21:39:08] *** Ref-frames: 3
[21:39:08] *** Framerate : Original
[21:39:08] *** Two-pass : No
[21:39:08] *** Profile in use: HD-DVD
[21:39:08] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[21:43:36] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[21:43:36] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[21:43:36] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[21:43:36] Encoding ac3 audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[21:43:54] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[21:43:54] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[21:43:54] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[21:43:54] HD-DVD muxer not found: E:\multiAVCHD\tools\hddvdmux.exe
[21:43:54] HD-DVD muxing failed!
[21:43:54] E:\multiAVCHD\tools\hddvdmux.exeDEBUG INFO: "E:\multiAVCHD\CaddyClip..264" "e:\multiavchd\_temp\caddyclip.m2ts.t2.ac3" "E:\HD_Dean\AVCHD\HD-DVD-CaddyClip-20090801-233" 0

[21:43:54] No compatible folders/files processed...If I'm correct that this is (hopefully) the only reason for the difficulties I've been having, would you please be good enough to make "HDDVDMUX.EXE" available to me?

Greatly appreciated ;>}

[deank]

Yes, I hope this is the problem, too.

It is included in the full download and you said you have it.

Please make sure you download multiAVCHD_3.0.exe from my links (http://multiAVCHD.deanBG.com/download/) (it was not updated @ videohelp).

To verify that you really have the latest full download you need to check the extracted .\multiAVCHD\tools\ folder for

hddvdmux.exe [287KB]
bvts.hddvd [4KB]

Also there were some more changes to multiAVCHD, which you will notice in the log while processing.

multiAVCHD will now create the additional VIDEO_TS folder + a looped black video and will remove ADV_OBJ.

If you don't want to download these 20MB again, download this hd-tools.rar (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hd-tools.rar) and extract it in multiAVCHD's tools folder - it contains these 2 files (hddvdmux and bvts).

Make sure that you perform multiUPDATE too. Anyway - I suggest that you simply download the whole package again.

I'm not sure how hddvdmux handles output EVO sized. Non-advanced compilations (produced by nero) have EVOs split at 1GB. If you get 1+GB files and your player refuses to play the disc - please add the ADV_OBJ and try again. Of course it may not be necessary.

Be advised that multiAVCHD will reset bitrate to 8000 if it finds that you set higher value. HD-DVD specs set maximum video bitrate for 3xDVD @ 8000kbps. Also b-frames, keyint and refframes are changed to 2, 14, 2.

Dean

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/multiAVCHD_output.jpg


[12:09:07] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 667)
[12:09:07] Selected output mode: HD-DVD compatible player (DVD-R/RW disc)

[12:09:07] Processing one title...
[12:09:07] Strict AVCHD folder mode is enabled...
[12:09:07] Processing (D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_Underworld_3\BDMV\STREAM\00001.MTS)...
[12:09:07] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[12:09:07] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...
[12:09:07] *** Initiating video encoding:
[12:09:07] *** Original : 1280x720
[12:09:07] *** Crop : 0
[12:09:07] *** Resize : 1920x1080
[12:09:07] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[12:09:07] *** Sharpen : 0
[12:09:07] *** Bitrate : 5546 kbps
[12:09:07] *** Level : 4.1
[12:09:07] *** B-frames : 3
[12:09:07] *** Ref-frames: 3
[12:09:07] *** Framerate : Original (23.976)
[12:09:07] *** Two-pass : No
[12:09:07] *** Profile in use: HD-DVD
[12:09:07] *** Re-encoding with x264...
[12:20:41] *** Re-encoding completed successfully!

[12:20:44] Detected frame reference count: 2 (max:4).
[12:20:44] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=2
[12:20:44] Encoding ac3 audio to AC3 (eac3to)...
[12:20:57] Adding AC3 encoded audio track (eng)...
[12:20:57] Total of 2 tracks found in this file.
[12:20:57] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[12:21:24] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[12:21:24] HD-DVD title saved:
[12:21:24] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD-DVD-FINAL\HD-DVD-UW Final test-20090802-95

[12:21:24] Compilation contains 1 HD-DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

[12:21:24] Setting menu for 0 titles...
[12:21:24] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[12:21:24] Done!

[12:21:26] Saving multiAVCHD quick-load project (mpf):
[12:21:26] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD-DVD-FINAL\multiAVCHD.mpf (OK!)

Compilation summary:
Format: HD-DVD compatible player (DVD-R/RW disc) (mixed with HD-DVD)
Name : HD-DVD output test
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD-DVD titles [--------]
===============================================================================
Output size : 171 MiB (0.167 GiB)

[12:21:26] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD-DVD-FINAL folder created!
[12:21:26] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD-R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!
[12:21:26] Select folder/name for ISO file...
[12:21:29] Using ISO mode / destination: D:\multiAVCHD\20090802-HD-DVD output test.iso
[12:21:29] Launching ImgBurn...
[12:21:36] You may now remove temp folder (D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP_calcit\).
[12:21:36] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.

[12:21:36] multiAVCHD finished in 748 seconds (00:12:28)!

[12:21:36] End of log.

[Fr123]

Why does the framerate have to be 23,976?
HD-DVD supports 25 fps, too!

[deank]

Required software/applications (in no particular order):
- hddvdmux
- Avisynth
- MeGUI
- BeHappy (alternative or what tickles you)
- DGAVCIndex
- Nero (latest version is principle).
- Software you personally use to rip your HD-DVDs and Blu-Rays and into one file.
- A shitload of codecs.


A lot of tools and steps.


Step 3: Before anything with the video, you must consider the audio which is very important, because the standard bitrate for HD DVD audio is 448 kbps and the audio format that hddvdmux will accept is AC3.

@setarip_old: Is there a chance to confirm it? I haven't seen such bitrate restriction for HD-DVD in the specs. If 448 is the only bitrate working (with hdddvdmux), then one should set it in multiAVCHD, too (muxer&audio - non-hd to ac3 audio), but I can't know for sure.

Also (in multiAVCHD), clicking the 'set for hd-dvd output' checkbox will make multiAVCHD set the proper resize/fps/uncrop settings. This of course :) let me successfully convert one 43min 624x352 23.98fps XviD AVI with MP3 audio file to HDDVD.

Since the discussion will most probably move to the subject of multiAVCHD bugs, rather than hddvdmux ones, I'd suggest to continue in multiAVCHD's thread.

Dean


Another nice HD-DVD sample (produced with multiAVCHD and hddvdmux): BenQ Green Island (210MB) (http://rapidshare.de/files/48015651/HD-DVD-BenQ_-_Green_Island.exe.html). Source is 45mbps 1920x1080 MPEG-2 file with PCM audio (1GB) and output is 1920x1080 AVC with AC3 audio (210MB), using the maximum allowed bitrate of 8000kbps for HD-DVD.


@setarip_old: May be a good idea for people with HD-DVD players is to ask BD-Rebuilder author (jdobbs) to include a parameter/option for movie-only encoding, compatible with HD-DVD profiles. The good thing is that the same (HD-DVD) settings will work just fine both in Blu-ray/AVCHD and HD-DVD AVC streams. It will make things much easier from now on for people who want to backup Blu-ray to HD-DVD.

x264 settings for HD-DVD are all around. If multiAVCHD's ones work for you I'd suggest them for bd-rb if jdobbs has time to add (at least a hidden ini option). In such a case, multiAVCHD will simply demux the h264 stream + the AC3 audio stream and will mux them back with hddvdmux.

Because subtitles are not available and at the moment the reencoding of video is the only option, anyone who needs subtitles (and have external SRT/SUB or anything recognisable by ffdshow) he can enable [x] Subtitles in ffdshow (without touching the 'letterboxing options') and get them hard burned.

[setarip_old]

@deankSince the discussion will most probably move to the subject of multiAVCHD bugs, rather than hddvdmux ones, I'd suggest to continue in multiAVCHD's thread.Thy will be done ;>}

[Undead Sega]

hey guys...seriously, what is going on may i ask? :D

[deank]

What exactly did you not understand?

[Undead Sega]

well, all of this kinda exploded after i made my method post and uploaded the EVO file sample, and so much has been happening ive got confused on what is exactly happening between you and setarip_old.

[deank]

Yes, it took you really long to post your method. I simply suggested to help in speeding up all the steps required with less tools and effort, so I'm trying to add this HD-DVD functionality to multiAVCHD - that's all.

It didn't "explode" after your 18 steps-to-follow post month ago. I simply had no free time to put in HD-DVD until few days ago. I neither used anything from your guide, nor the sample you provided. I also do not understand your enthusiasm, provided you don't have a HD-DVD player (or am I wrong?).

Anyway...

I just added an option to skip reencoding if multiAVCHD detects that an imported file is already compatible for HD-DVD (hddvdmux).

Still, title has to be marked for 'reencoding' and 'set for hd-dvd output' in UNCROP window. @setarip_old: you can load already encoded .264 files - no need to wait/reencode each time you want to test. It should work for mkv/ts/m2ts files, too. When importing a demuxed .264 you need to add audio file (as external audio) because hddvdmux won't work without audio track. LOG TAB will print a message if imported file is compatible.

Compatibility check can only be performed for files, carrying the text-based 'encoding settings' field, written by x264 in h.264 stream. Check relies on few important settings like keyint 14.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deankI just added an option to skip reencoding if multiAVCHD detects that an imported file is already compatible for HD-DVD (hddvdmux).

What's the Build number?

[deank]

So, after all, for what it's worth ReferenceDivX should get the apologies from all who discouraged/insulted him for putting out a working (although not without flaws) EVO/HD-DVD muxer.

Using it is pretty straight forward, provided you feed it with proper h.264 ES + AC3.

I have no use of the HD-DVD format, but I believe a lot of people are grateful for the time put into creating the hdddvd muxer by him.

If I find some time, I'll edit his source and will try to make it a bit more stable.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

I have no use of the HD-DVD formatLet me just suggest to you that, should you come across an inexpensive (discontinued but available) Toshiba HD-A3 or similar, which is a combination HD-DVD and standard DVD player, you'll be blown away by the quality of the upconverting of standard DVDs to 1080p (or i), compared to the upconverting quality of SONY and other brands.

The combination of this upconverting quality and the ability to play HD-DVDs (commercial or homebrewn) may change your thinking ;>}

ReferenceDivX should get the apologies from all who discouraged/insulted him for putting out a working (although not without flaws) EVO/HD-DVD muxer.You are absolutely correct. Although I myself made some negative/questioning posts to the thread originally, they were certainly not an attempt to "rip another one" for the author, as was done over and over by another unnamed member/author.

Of course, you "deank", modest person that you are, deserve massive credit for taking a rough hewn, semi-functional tool, and polishing it and incorporating it into what is fast becoming an eminently useful and flexible GUI "package". Kudos to you!

[deank]

Let me just suggest to you that, should you come across Toshiba HD-A3 or similar, you'll be blown away by the quality of the upconverting of standard DVDs to 1080p (or i), compared to the upconverting quality of other brands.

I still prefer the PS3 + the external 320GB HDD which allows me to put 50GB 1920x1080 without burning to optical media. :)


I myself made some negative/questioning posts...

I guess I missed those and it was not you who I referred to :) but it speaks for itself for those who pretend to be able to read the (virus/trojan duh) program source.

Anyway :) I believe there are still things to be polished but at least we know it works most of the time.

Dean

@mpucoder: thanks for renaming the thread.

[mikeathome]

@Deank

have to report success. Used 672 on Troy (HD DVD) sucessfully, at least to the part you are involved in.

I did create a MKV from Troy (ac3to) HD DVD and ran this through multiAVCHD. For some strange reason a rebuild EVO didn't work (no picture after import). 20 hours later (movie length is 2:42:47) I had a running HD DVD-DL9 on Toshiba A3.

Only one issue, which I believe is because of the nature of the Troy HD DVD.
The A/V is out of sync right from the beginning, actually the video is going so much faster after 2min already 20s but after a while it is constant. AND the video became longer, it changed from 2:42:47 to 2:43:07, strange.
I guess, it has something to do with ffDShow decoder. The Troy video is VC1 and I experience some distortion during normal PC playback as well (using the built in ffDShow decoder).
I will try a separate encode using neuron's DGVC1DecNV. PLEASE post your x264 commandline and the temp avs script here (want to make sure I create a compatible AVC)!
I know it should not impact the encoding, but obviously it does. Apart from that, quality on the A3 is great, playback is w/o distortion too. The fake DVD folder (VIDEO_TS) does the trick.

BTW. there is NO free alternative to multiAVCHD. The Videostudio recommendation does not work for me. If you want to create a HD DVD, VS11+ does NOT allow you to change project properties to AVC it ALWAYS wants to re-encode to MPEG-2. I wasted an hour with that crap. Same with Movie Factory 6 (you need to buy the HD Plugin together with the '+' version which will work and allow AVC in HD DVD), no AVC in HD DVDs with the normal version. You are the only one my friend!

We need chapters, please!!! Fast forward works on the A3 but chapters are sweeter.

edit: see blue corrections

mike

[deank]

1) it is multiAVCHD, not multiAVC

2) Do your tests with the latest build (676+) which includes 5 quality (2 for 1pass and 3 for 2pass encoding)

3) Try H264/MPEG-2 Blu-ray, not VC-1 - just to be sure that everything else is okay, so you can rule out VC-1.

4) I can't provide any support for these conversions and stuff - it is all test and error

6) Chapters and time seek - don't get greedy. Once I figure it out I'll do it - it is too time-consuming task, and I really have other things going for multiAVCHD at the moment.

Dean

[mikeathome]

1) sorry about this

2) does not work on VC-1 either, it is ffDshow (on my machine not liking this specific movie, VC-1)

3) it works on all other (so far)

4) well, you could share your x264 encoding parameters, ne-way I figured it out myself, I will use neuron's (Donald Graft) DGVC1DecNV for decoding.
Btw. including the opportunity to import .dga (DGAVC), .d2v (DGMpeg) and .dgv (DGVC1) would give the -skilled- user an advantage in speed and quality (no color conversion, NVidea CUDA decoding support) and maybe solve the VC1 issue I have (most likely my problem with my screwed machine because I give to much support and test out to many different programs)

5) ..

6) Fast Forward (not Time Seek) is working on the Toshiba A3, no need to do anything. I would have worked on the chapters, unfortunately the Ulead software is not able to mux a HD DVD structure using AVC video content. That way I would have had an .ifo w/o chapters (from HDDVDMux) to compare with one with chapters (Ulead VS11 | MS6). But since there is no existing free nor commercial software for HD DVD creation with AVC support...
Hint: don't waste you time on the Scenarist HD DVD software (there were two, for standard and advanced content). None of them were able to built a project, although AVC was imported it crashed somewhere in the middle of the structure built)

have a nice day,
mike


1) it is multiAVCHD, not multiAVC

2) Do your tests with the latest build (676+) which includes 5 quality (2 for 1pass and 3 for 2pass encoding)

3) Try H264/MPEG-2 Blu-ray, not VC-1 - just to be sure that everything else is okay, so you can rule out VC-1.

4) I can't provide any support for these conversions and stuff - it is all test and error

5) I managed to read the message you deleted few weeks ago :)

6) Chapters and time seek - don't get greedy. Once I figure it out I'll do it - it is too time-consuming task, and I really have other things going for multiAVCHD at the moment.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@mikeathome

Hi!Time seek is working on the Toshiba A3, no need to do anything.Are you referring to using the "TSEARCH" button on the HD-A3's remote to select a specific time in the video, or something else (Perhaps fast forwarding)?

If so, while playing an HD-DVD created under multiAVCHD on my Toshiba HD-A3, when I press that button and the cursor over to "Time" and set it for ANY time and press the "OK" button, the HD-A3 breaks and displays the message, "Cannot play the disc. Check the disc."

This same function works properly with commercial HD-DVDs.

BTW - What is the firmware number you have installed on your HD-A3?

[mikeathome]

My mistake, I meant Fast Forward. Will try the time seek tonight.

Firmware is Version 4.0

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/blu-ray-dvd-disc-media-players/5281-firmware-update-now-up-4-0-2nd-gen-hd-a2-d2-a20-xa2-xe1.html#post40520


mike

[setarip_old]

@mikeathomeMy mistake, I meant Fast Forward.Thanks for correcting yourself and confirming my observation that the "Timesearch" function at present, unfortunately, does not work with these homebrewn HD-DVDs.

BTW - Fast reverse takes you back to the very beginning of the video...

[mikeathome]

Just to report: using DG???IndexNV (version 1.07), DGDecode + AVS Script and manually re-encoding with x264 lead to a perfect .264 file which was imported by multiAVCHD (b680) and used to built a HD DVD structure.

That way I was able to produce Toshiba A3 playable HD DVDs from MPEG2, VC1 and AVC source content while utilizing GPU power for decoding and resize functions. Thtat solved my Troy-issue as well.

mike

[Undead Sega]

wow, i think i got in abit late, and yet still dont now what is going on clearly, however, i dont know if this is now of any use to you lot, but here is an .NRG of a 1080p trailer of The Dark Knight that have jsut uploaded:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WIRMIJMX

[setarip_old]

@Undead Sega

Things have progressed far beyond a sample.

I'd suggest you start reading the "multiAVCHD" sub-forum here (In reverse, from newest to oldest post), download "multiAVCHD" and start easily, in a significantly automated manner, creating HD-DVDs.

You'll see that "deank" has done a marvelous job of enhancing an initially incomplete tool and integrating it under his extremely flexible "multiAVCHD ;>}

[Undead Sega]

wow, i really wish i was more involved in this, or could hve helped in this as well.

so technically, i could make HD-DVD with multiAVCHD?

[setarip_old]

so technically, i could make HD-DVD with multiAVCHD?What else, "technically" or otherwise, could you possibly think I meant, when I said:download "multiAVCHD" and start easily, in a significantly automated manner, creating HD-DVDs.
And, you still haven't answered a question posed to you by "deank" a while ago, namely - Why do you have an interest in converting files of another format into HD-DVDs, when you'v stated that you don't have a standalone HD-DVD player?

Please be good enough to explain.

[pkho]

Thank you so much to both authors of hddvdmux and multiavchd. To my surprise I got my 2.5 hours mkv (previously converted from bluray) into a working hddvd compatible disc in just 4 hours, which I don't think is possible with freeware up until now. It plays perfectly on my standalone player and Nero Showtime with burn-in subtitles.

Of course there are still problems of some sort. It is a bit strange that TMT won't play the folder or disc. No chapter support and can't use time search with standalone player makes jumping to previous scene next to impossible. Fastest fastforward is still not fast enough. May be something is not quite standard here.

It pumps new life to a dead format player (dirt cheap too) which now can playback any new release HiDef movies. It will be perfect if it can support chapter points, proper subtitles and fix why TMT won't play. I know the reality suggest otherwise. Still it is like a dream come true.

[deank]

I don't think TMT supports HDDVD (at least my version does not). It will play AVCHD and Blu-ray (BDMV folder) when you drag the folder to it, but not with HDDVD.

About chapters: it wasn't implemented in hddvdmux and I'm planning to do it in multiAVCHD. It is just not that easy.

About FF/REW and time-search: all are related to chapters implementation. Both chapter-skip and FF/REW/time-search rely on information (which is currently missing) in .IFO files.

Dean

[pkho]

Thanks deank. Great news if chapters can be added. Any chance of subtitle support other than hard-burn? That will be perfect.

I have both TMT2 and TMT3. They sure can playback the hundreds of HDDVD disc, iso and folders I have. Just not the one created by multiAVCHD. I can see the picture with sound but just pausing. You can check out forums in Arcsoft.com. Although they do not officially say it but users did confirm HDDVD support is still there. Wonder why yours not working.

Thanks again for a great job!

[yonexsp]

I tried to convert an MKV that was created from a BD into a HD DVD, but it failed.

Is this possible to do this? I read some earlier posts that hint at that, but not to sure.

Thx

[neuron2]

Where did you get the MKV file?

[yonexsp]

Where did you get the MKV file?

Backup from BD Rebuilder

[yonexsp]

If I have cropped a file and it is in m2ts format, will the encode to HD DVD fail? I know the file name gets shown in RED. Just trying to go through thr steps to make sure I resize/crop etc properly.

I have one file that I cut out the black bars so now is 1920x800, and shows up RED. Will this fail?

[neuron2]

Backup from BD Rebuilder Why don't you re-encode from your original disk instead of the MKV?

[yonexsp]

Why don't you re-encode from your original disk instead of the MKV?

time. I have already re-encoded them to be DVD9 so I can play them on my laptop.

But i want to be able to play them on my HD DVD player.

If I use the original BD will that be the easiest? Does that mean the backups I make with BDRebuilder will never be able to be re-encoded?

[yonexsp]

+ BD Rebuilder encodes are stunning. In movie only mode they can shrink a BD50 down to DVD9 and they look the same, quite extraordinary

[yonexsp]

what do you do when the source file is Not Compliant, i.e 4:3 material etc?

[pkho]

I tried to convert an MKV that was created from a BD into a HD DVD, but it failed.

Is this possible to do this? I read some earlier posts that hint at that, but not to sure.

Thx

I have done a few mkv from Bdrebuilder as well as straight from Bluray. All works fine to create playable HDDVD using just multiAVCHD.

[deank]

BD-Rebuilder has an (hidden) option to create HD-DVD compatible video. Using it you can have both BD9 for your Blu-ray player and once you import the m2ts file in multiAVCHD - it will create HD-DVD folder in just a minute. Otherwise you need to transcode to 1920x1080@23.976 with bitrate<8000kbps and keyint 14.

[mikeathome]

BD-Rebuilder has an (hidden) option to create HD-DVD compatible video. Using it you can have both BD9 for your Blu-ray player and once you import the m2ts file in multiAVCHD - it will create HD-DVD folder in just a minute. Otherwise you need to transcode to 1920x1080@23.976 with bitrate<8000kbps and keyint 14.

The bitrate restriction is not required. I -myself- re-encoded @9,600kbps and authored using commercial software onto DVD9 which plays on Toshiba A3.

mike

[laserfan]

The bitrate restriction is not required.But...of course there is a bitrate restriction. If the total bitrate (video PLUS audio) is too great, you'll run into problems on DVD. I think the "<8000kbps" is intended to be a "safe" value under most circumstances.

[yonexsp]

The bitrate restriction is not required. I -myself- re-encoded @9,600kbps and authored using commercial software onto DVD9 which plays on Toshiba A3.

mike

Is there much difference in picture quality between the 2 bitrates?

[deank]

1) 3xDVD HD-DVD Specification sets bitrate limit of 8000kbps - it is not my idea - that's what the specs say
2) I think multiAVCHD can handle higher bitrates with hddvdmux - I'm not sure
3) 8000 is really good number and x264 does a perfect job for 1920x1080@23.976fps, don't you think?

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hddvd-specs.jpg

Dean

[mikeathome]

But...of course there is a bitrate restriction. If the total bitrate (video PLUS audio) is too great, you'll run into problems on DVD. I think the "<8000kbps" is intended to be a "safe" value under most circumstances.

Please look at deank's table above. It says to things:
- Video <8Mbps (reco)
- max. 36.55Mbps for 3x DVD ROM, 11.08Mbps for DVD ROM

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media. So, the only limitation could come from the VIDEO decoder not being able to handle the high video bitrate. Before you reach this limit you reach the VBV limit! AND there are much higher bitrates on the pressed HD DVDs. Don't you agree...

mike

P.S.
For a backup I want max. quality, so I will be able -in worst case- to use this backup to make another for the iPod or whatever is still to come.

[yonexsp]

Please look at deank's table above. It says to things:
- Video <8Mbps (reco)
- max. 36.55Mbps for 3x DVD ROM, 11.08Mbps for DVD ROM

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media. So, the only limitation could come from the VIDEO decoder not being able to handle the high video bitrate. Before you reach this limit you reach the VBV limit! AND there are much higher bitrates on the pressed HD DVDs. Don't you agree...

mike

P.S.
For a backup I want max. quality, so I will be able -in worst case- to use this backup to make another for the iPod or whatever is still to come.


The way I read that table is that 8mbs is used as an example of a AVC encode not the limit. I.e. they use a typical exmaple to show what that means in playing time.

The limit is below 36.55Mps

[laserfan]

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media.Blah, do what you want--and hope that all your players, present & future, will work with your discs.

If anyone says they can see a difference between 8000kbps and >8000kbps using x264, they're either lying, or imagining things! :devil:

[mikeathome]

Blah, do what you want--and hope that all your players, present & future, will work with your discs.

If anyone says they can see a difference between 8000kbps and >8000kbps using x264, they're either lying, or imagining things! :devil:

You don't get it, do you? The 8000 is neither a spec-thing nor a limit. It is a reco (mmendation) or better said an example to illustrate the amount of content that will fit onto a disk.

And you a wrong with your second statement, although YOU might not see a difference ONE who looks close enough will see a difference, especially on 1 pass encodes. Believe or not. You can call us all liars. BTW. I am lying in this board since 2001 and this lying started with SVCD on CD-R media back in 2001.

@deank
You surprise me: for a developer I would have expected a bit more patience for pro-active feedback, especially if you overlooked something which might have big impact. But's your call...

mike

[deank]

@deank
You surprise me: for a developer I would have expected a bit more patience for pro-active feedback, especially if you overlooked something which might have big impact. But's your call...

You may be right, but since you're not using multiAVCHD for HD-DVD authoring I don't know if it makes any difference. I won't have time for at least a week from now to do any tests, so if you can test if raw h.264+ac3 will be processed by hddvdmux when bitrate is >8000 - let me know. Of course I can change the hard-coded HD-DVD encode bitrate so don't worry.

***

edit: Now, looking again at the table I posted I'm sure you're right and I apologize for wrongly stating that 8000kbps is the highest allowed bitrate. Still a test is needed to confirm that hddvdmux will be able to mux properly >8000kbps video. :-)

Dean

[mikeathome]

@deank,
:thanks: My salutation!

I will test whether HDDVDMux will be able to accept these files and report here.

About the multiAVCHD use: I'm still using this commercial software for HD DVD creation. There are a couple of things I do not like about this way.
- can not import chapters, manual setup takes ages and automatic creates chapters in the middle of action scenes etc.
- accepts audio only @DD 448kbps (always requires re-encode)
- need an extra step of putting PD flags
- lots of individual steps requiring manual interception

Well, I have this Toshiba and I like the quality of the picture it produces, I'm now evaluating the new MacMini, very promising, might go away from all the SAPs and use a HTPC (HomeTheaterPC) in the future.



P.S.
For the use of multiAVCHD, I am sure I will use it at some time (and hold the promise from the deleted post ;-) I do recognize where you from and remember; I do have the pleasure to live in CA now...

[deank]

Cool!

I did some tests and now multiAVCHD will honor bitrates 100-17500 for HD-DVD transcoding.

I did a test with 12100kbps, it was properly muxed and played by Nero Showtime (folder mode).

If anyone is willing to test - update your multiAVCHD (with multiUPDATE) and go to "transcode" window, select "Create HD-DVD title" and set the desired bitrate.

Dean :)


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[16:29:06] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[16:29:12] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[16:29:12] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp\the matrix 480p.t2.ac3", lang=eng
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles (The Matrix 480p.srt) (und)
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[16:29:30] HD-DVD title saved:
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[16:29:30] Compilation contains 1 HD-DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

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[16:29:30] Selected TV system: [PAL]
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[16:29:32] Compilation contains HD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD] folder.
[16:29:32] Burn each HD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS) to a separate DVD disc.

[16:29:32] You may now remove temp folder (D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\).
[16:29:32] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.

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And sorry again... I have no idea why looking 100s of times at this chart/table I posted long ago I was 'convinced' 8000 is the limit, although I noticed something that was bothering me back then, but never looked again :) so thanks, Mike!

[yonexsp]

Cool!

I did some tests and now multiAVCHD will honor bitrates 100-17500 for HD-DVD transcoding.

I did a test with 12100kbps, it was properly muxed and played by Nero Showtime (folder mode).

If anyone is willing to test - update your multiAVCHD (with multiUPDATE) and go to "transcode" window, select "Create HD-DVD title" and set the desired bitrate.

Dean :)


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[16:24:22] Checking for new version...
[16:24:23] You have the latest build.
[16:24:23] Consistency check finished!
[16:24:23] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:24:23] 323 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:24:23] 168 people supported it with donations
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[16:24:29] Loading original chapters (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv).
[16:24:30] Loading external poster (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.jpg).
[16:24:30] Loading external subtitles: (und) - The Matrix 480p.srt
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[16:26:33] Selected output mode: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[16:26:33] Processing one title...
[16:26:33] Processing (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv)...
[16:26:33] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[16:26:33] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[16:26:33] *** Initiating video encoding:
[16:26:33] *** Original : 720x480
[16:26:33] *** Crop : 0
[16:26:33] *** Resize : 1920x800
[16:26:33] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Sharpen : 0
[16:26:33] *** Bitrate : 12100 kbps
[16:26:33] *** Level : 4.1
[16:26:33] *** Quality : One pass (insane)
[16:26:33] *** SAR : 1:1
[16:26:33] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Hard-subs : D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.srt
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[16:29:06] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:4).
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[16:29:06] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3 (48000Hz 6ch) Language: eng
[16:29:06] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #2...
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[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles (The Matrix 480p.srt) (und)
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles () (und)
[16:29:12] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[16:29:30] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[16:29:30] HD-DVD title saved:
[16:29:30] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1\[HD-DVD]\The Matrix 480p

[16:29:30] Compilation contains 1 HD-DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

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[16:29:30] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[16:29:30] Done!

Compilation summary:
Format: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with HD-DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD-DVD titles
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Output size : 94 MiB (0.092 GiB)

[16:29:32] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[16:29:32] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[16:29:32] Compilation contains HD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD] folder.
[16:29:32] Burn each HD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS) to a separate DVD disc.

[16:29:32] You may now remove temp folder (D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\).
[16:29:32] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.

[16:29:32] multiAVCHD finished in 178 seconds (00:02:58)!

[16:29:32] End of log.


And sorry again... I have no idea why looking 100s of times at this chart/table I posted long ago I was 'convinced' 8000 is the limit, although I noticed something that was bothering me back then, but never looked again :) so thanks, Mike!


Does the AC3 size still have to be lowered? from 684?

[mikeathome]

@deank

I am having issues importing the raw .264 and use it w/o multiAVCHD re-encode. Build 717 always wants to re-encode.

So I did use the hddvdmux.exe from your package and did mux a HD DVD manuallyD:\HDDVD>c:\Programme\multiAVCHD\tools\hddvdmux.exe 10000bc.264 10000bc.ac3 h:\hddvd 4172724
HD-DVD MUX 0.30 October 2th 2008
ALPHA release
AVC video must be 1080p24
Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus audio supported
Example of useage below
hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724

Stream is Dolby Digital
Audio Bitrate = 448000, Audio Sampling Rate = 48000
Audio Mode = 3/2, bsid = 8, bsmod = 0

[======| ]13.05% 500457

The .264 was encoded using the following commandline (you know it :-)c:\programme\hddvd\x264.exe --bitrate 9700 --keyint 14 --level 4.1 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --weightb --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --trellis 0 --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output hddvd.264 hddvd.avs

Source was a VC-1 BD (I own!) indexed with DGIndexNV.

As you see the BR was set to 9700 the muxing went ok and the HD DVD created with hddvdmux works.

mike

[deank]

Transcoding raw AVC/H.264 streams is not really possible in multiAVCHD. Video must be in a container.

2nd: can you post mediainfo information of this .264 file? multiAVCHD checks the meta information of a file, encoded with x264. If such info is not present it can't detect a source as hddvd compatible (or not). It needs to see keyint, vb settings and some other things.

If I import .264 file (encoded with hd-dvd compatible settings by multiAVCHD) I get this in the log:

[06:50:55] File is encoded with HD-DVD compatible H.264 settings:
[06:50:55] The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].264
[06:50:55] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3

[mikeathome]

Transcoding raw AVC/H.264 streams is not really possible in multiAVCHD. Video must be in a container.

2nd: can you post mediainfo information of this .264 file? multiAVCHD checks the meta information of a file, encoded with x264. If such info is not present it can't detect a source as hddvd compatible (or not). It needs to see keyint, vb settings and some other things.

If I import .264 file (encoded with hd-dvd compatible settings by multiAVCHD) I get this in the log:

[06:50:55] File is encoded with HD-DVD compatible H.264 settings:
[06:50:55] The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].264
[06:50:55] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3


@deank
I probably were not specific.

I encoded the video with these parameters:c:\programme\hddvd\x264.exe --bitrate 9700 --keyint 14 --level 4.1 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --weightb --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --trellis 0 --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output hddvd.264 hddvd.avs and tried to import the raw .264 stream (I remember I did this before and it worked with lower BRs). As you see the encode is with BR of 9700. I am curious if that lead to the behavior that multiAVCHD always wanted to re-encode it. I didn't get the HD DVD compatibility message. I'll do another try and put it in a container.

mike

[baker99uk]

Excellent work DeanK, I can finally author h.264 HD DVD's :D I know these questions have been asked already but could you post the .x264 settings MULTIAVCHD uses for encoding so I can use .x26 manually with DGIndex, also any chance of .dgi or .avs support in the future?

[deank]

I'll add .avs to multiAVCHD soon... and about the encoding parameters - you can always see them with mediainfo when you load the .264 file. The most important is keyint 14.

[baker99uk]

Great news, thanks deank, I'll try with the settings from mediainfo, I did already look at them and create a profile in megui, I'll test it tonight. I just made a small donation, keep up the good work :)

[setarip_old]

So near and yet so far - This growing collection of beautiful quality HD-DVDs (created in multiAVCHD) seem to be begging for chapters and FF/FR capabilities...

[deank]

:) Believe me I really want to make chapters and FF/REW work, but I lack the information on how to do it. I really don't have the time to go with trial and error right now (nor for reverse engineering). I'd really want to finish what I started with multiAVCHD for the next major version.

It is not that I don't want to do it - it is that I have no idea where to start from.

[setarip_old]

I'd really want to finish what I started with multiAVCHD for the next major version.Fully understood and appreciated ;>}

It is not that I don't want to do it - it is that I have no idea where to start from.If or when the time comes (notwithstanding your comment about reverse engineering), I'll gladly send you an HD-DVD or two.

[rage2wrath]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

[mikeathome]

Hi,
if you have the ability to burn HD DVD 15 and 30gig you still have the possibility to use commercial software. For $100 you'll get a working solution. I posted it here in this forum.

mike


I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

[baker99uk]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

If you do manage to burn an HD-DVD be aware it may not work in an external HD DVD player, even if that player plays HD DVD's burnt on DVD, I have an EP-30 and have tried multiple brands of HD DVD's and many tricks that have been suggested with no success. The burned HD DVD's do work on my Xbox 360 with HD DVD add-on though, so I suspect it's a firmware check the EP-30 does for recordable HD DVD media, may be someone will hack the firmware like they did to make it region free, but I doubt it.

[laserfan]

If you do manage to burn an HD-DVD be aware it may not work in an external HD DVD player, even if that player plays HD DVD's burnt on DVD...Yeah I mentioned this to rage2wrath in another thread and now you're confirming it. Interestingly, that home-brew HD-DVD recordable disks do not work in settop players was supposedly also to have been the case with BD players, but in the early days of BD, before BR disc mfg ramp-up, player firmware was "eased" in order to let mfrs make BD-R discs and play them at trade shows & demonstrations. Thankfully they've never rescinded that capability in firmware. :eek:

[baker99uk]

That's interesting thanks laserfan.

[deank]

There is this guy @ my forum, who said he had no problems burning HD-DVDs (15GB) with multiAVCHD and playing them in his Toshiba player.

Here is the thread. (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=969&start=20)

[baker99uk]

Hi Dean, I tried using mediainfo to get your x264 settings and only changing the bitrate but MultiAVCHD still insists on reencoding it, the settings I used are below, any advice would be appreciated -

program --profile high --level 4 --tune animation --pass 2 --bitrate 11000 --stats ".stats" --thread-input --min-keyint 2 --b-adapt 2 --ref 4 --chroma-qp-offset -3 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --me umh --trellis 2 --output "output" "input"

[deank]

You can always override multiAVCHD's desire to reencode :) by ticking [x] (HD)DVD compliant in "title-properties"/[alter detected properties].

I don't see keyint 14 in your settings. It won't work with other values.

[baker99uk]

Thanks Dean, I'll test it out tonight, and thanks for adding avs support that's awesome :)

[deank]

Just to let those of you using HD-DVD output from multiAVCHD:

* Latest build of x264 (r1510) with official NAL-HRD is not compatible with hddvdmux. I tried all tons of options and changes - none worked. The problem is with the nal packets and it is for sure. Probably the problem is not with x264 itself, but with the way hddvdmux is programmed. Anyway...

* Since I'm updating multiAVCHD to support x264 r1510 (both 32bit and 64bit) I'm forced to include a copy of an older build for HD-DVD encoding (included as hx264.exe in tools folder).

If you wish to continue using HD-DVD output from multiAVCHD you'll need to perform a full download of the whole package (ver 4.0).

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Thanks for continuing the viability of multiAVCHD vis-a-vis HD-DVD ;>}

And a great big THANK YOU for the "alter detected properties" radiobutton, that has recently proven to be very useful!

[baker99uk]

Yes thanks for continuing to support us HD DVD users Dean :)

[deank]

There was some development with the help of Dark Shikari and rack04.

I managed to recompile hddvdmux as suggested by DS (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152127&page=24) to support short packet start format, so it now works. I also changed the buffer sizes it is using (to get these crashes to a minimum) and made it a bit user friendly:

D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100405>c:\HD-Project\release\test.exe os.264 os.ac3

HD-DVD MUX 0.30(p) October 2nd, 2008 (ALPHA release)
======================================================
Usage:
hddvdmux.exe video.264 audio.ac3 [output_folder]

Video format: AVC/H.264 1920x1080p @ 23.976
Audio format: Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus
======================================================
*** patched for AVC/H.264 short start code support
*** April 5th, 2010 (by deank@doom9)

Stream is Dolby Digital
Audio Bitrate = 448000, Audio Sampling Rate = 48000
Audio Mode = 3/2, bsid = 8, bsmod = 0

Finished

It requires just video + audio, so no need to set output folder or sector size.

At the moment I'll not include it in multiAVCHD package, because rack04 compiled r1510 of x264 with the change suggested by DS for the long start-code format and now the 'originial' hddvdmux works, too.

I'll let you know if there is anything interesting as a development.

Dean

[deank]

Since the original site is no longer available, here is a link to a self-extractable 7z archive of the original folder:

HDDVD.exe (http://rapidshare.com/files/257492234/HDDVD.exe) (850KB)

Dean

I wonder if anyone can return the 'favor' and send me a copy of the original hddvdmux package / sources?

It seems that last summer I changed something in one of the source files and I can't find what it is and I need it for some comparison and I don't have the original anymore.

In my attempt to improve hddvdmux I got it to a point where it plays flawlessly even using the EVO in MPC (while the original hddvdmux cause weird frameskips/stuttering), but I get ONE frame each 14-15 which causes a slight pause. Now I know a bit more and I'd like to make it right, so please if anyone has a copy - please let me know.

Dean

[Emulgator]

I got one.
Where do you like it ?

[deank]

You can email it to me @ my email...

BUT I just did some thinking and found out what I changed, so I recompiled and it is now okay. I'll post a link to the .exe if anyone is willing to test it.

:) Dean

[b66pak]

@Emulgator or you can use w w w . m u l t i u p l o a d . c o m and post the link for everybody...
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