A little something about smartripper

[dvd2svcd]

Hi Guys,

A couple of days ago a friend of mine dropped by and lent me his Harddrive. On it was Scary Movie 2 and Future Sports, both ripped with smartripper. So I started to encode them with the 1.0.6 B1 Pre7. But.... Both froze Scary Movie 2 froze at 24% and Future Sports at 74%. Needless to say, I started banging my head against the table. I was sure that I had fixed the problems. Well, I called him and asked if he could get the dvd's for and he did. I started from scratch using my internal ripping to rip both dvd's, and much to my surprise both movies went straight through without any problems in CCE.

So, this could mean two things. Either my friend is stupid and uses smartripper wrong, or there's somthing in smartripper that doesn't work. So I ask you kindly, if you have ripped a movie with SmartRipper (or ripped a movie with dvd2svcd 1.0.5 which I know made a last bad block) and you experience a CCE freeze, please try ripping it again with the internal routines of 1.0.6 Build 1.

Bottomline, don't use pre-ripped vob files, use internal routines (or vStrip).

I do not say this will fix everybody's problem with CCE, but it might solve some. It seems that the CCE crash is a many headed beast.

[M1ckey M0use]

I've ripped all my movies with smartripper. I never used the internal routines. Sometimes I have three movies in VOB files on my harddrive.
I only had one freezed movie and solved that by removing all avisynth dll's from my computer and installing the latest one.
It could be a version problem with smartripper though. I've used an old version for every rip and never updatred the program. I check @ home what version it is.

I'm sorry. This post doesn't make it easier for ya to solve the cce bug. But i think you can use all information..

M.

[The Incredible One]

Hi DVD2SVCD,

Maybe your right or wrong. I always use Smartripper 2.41 cause it's the best ripper around the world. (That's what I think) But ones I've used DVDDecrypter and than cce freezes also. But with Smartripper I don't have often problems. But I shall try your internal ripping.

[pinkybis]

I'm totally agree with M1ckey M0use. I've ripped all my movies with Smartripper from 2.26 to last 2.41 in WinME and WinXP. I never used the internal routines. Sometimes I have five movies in VOB files on my harddrive and make probs with DVD2SVCD versions from 1.0.3.1 to 1.0.6.1, subtitles, Audios, resolutions, bitrates... and I only had one freezed movie due a bad rip from scratch DVD.

I must be luckyman, 0 freeze in about 60 rips.

My system:

Amd 900 not overclocked.
Gigabyte 7IXE4
2 Dimm 128 MB 133
WinME or WinXP (no problem)

Sorry for my poor english.

Saludos.




P.D:(Please, What about bitrate error calculator with 2 Audios in 1.0.6.1?)

[dvd2svcd]

As I said, this might not solve all problems, and I don't say that smartripper sux. I only try to give out the information I see as they come. I am in no way trying to push the blame away from me. As you can see in another thread I have found bugs in dvd2svcd too. Anyway as I always say " If it ain't broken, don't fix it", so if Smartripper works for you, keep on using it, but if you do get a CCE freeze, you could try using my internal ripping routines instead or vStrip.

(a little of topic, why do you use smartripper? or any other ripper, when dvd2svcd can do it all in one go? No sarcasm intended, I'm just curious).

[M1ckey M0use]

We understand that you're not trying to remove the blame from you. You've done a lot to find out what causes the bug. I gave this information because i think there must be something else. It's probably some stupid combination of things... :mad:

Why do i use smartripper? Thats easy, i don't want to have my original DVD too long out of the safe i'm keeping them in :cool:

So i rip a movie fast and then put it back into the safe place. Then later, when i don't need my computer i start one movie. So from time to time i have a couple of DVD's on my harddrive and the original DVD's not in handreach.
M.

[xrv1138]

i know its been requested before
but maybe if dvd2svcd allowed stopping after ripping people would give up on smart ripper 8-)

[dvd2svcd]

That's easy, just press the X in the upper right corner when ripping starts, it'll the close the program when ripping is done.

[Bob01605]

I agree with DVD2SVCD - use internal routines whenever possible. I tried ripping the individual episodes of the Sopranos - Season 2 with Smartripper. It would rip the FIRST and sometimes the second episode from each of the FOUR disks OK and the conversion went fine. On some of the Smartripper rips - the rip went OK but the rip would NOT feed into DVD2AVI properly and DVD2AVI would lock up ?? When I switched to internal routines and ripped each episode individually everything worked perfectly.

Bob

[markrb]

I agree that I always try and use internal routines when I can, but there are situations where using another ripping program is needed.
Mostly when internal routines fails, like on Swordfish in my case.

I am just courious did you try the encode with and without piping through internal routines? I am pretty sure your standard procedure is to pipe through, but just for the sake of argument did you try not doing that? I know this may lead to potential other issues, but the out of snyc issue only happened sometimes?

In any case I do believe it is best to use internal routines when possible.

Mark

[JulCat]

I have make about 100 movies with these excellent program, and only remeber to have 2 or 3 CCE errors :sly:, these where corrected using 1 pass VBR :).

So for me these is the rule, to rip i always try in the following order:


1.- Internal Routines
2.- Vstrip
3.- Smart Ripper
4.- Any other

Only in special cases i have to got up to step 2.:D

[sandchar99]

I use SmartRipper sometimes because...

More often than not these days I use Internal routines to rip to make the DVD Chapters on the images or to select certain chapters, especially when doing tests.

But....some back-ups have been difficult because there have been "Broken Blocks"--Disney's "Dinosaur" and "Princess Mononoke" (NTSC). In this case, because of the ASPI function, SmartRipper (v2.39 and higher)was able to get thru these points in the VOBs and encoding With DVD2SVCD proceeded without hitch.

In the case of Broken Blocks both vStrip and Internal routines will stop at those points and DVD2SVCD will continue leaving a movie that is only partially completed.

[Bob01605]

"I am just courious did you try the encode with and without piping through internal routines? I am pretty sure your standard procedure is to pipe through, but just for the sake of argument did you try not doing that? I know this may lead to potential other issues, but the out of snyc issue only happened sometimes?"
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Mark,

I tried to encode straight from Smartripper WITHOUT going through internal routines and the the ripped episode ( EITHER episode 3 or episode 4 on disk #1 - Sopranos - Second season ) would lock up DVD2AVI. My feeling is that if I am going to RIP with Smartripper and then pipe the episode through internal routines I may as well just use internal routines and select the episode I want in the MOVIE LENGTH drop down in the CONVERSION tab.
The reason I initially used Smartripper was that internal routines seem to have the curious effect of reading the WHOLE disk ( and wasting some time ) even though you have selected only ONE episode to rip ? I don't know if it works that way for everyone but if I select the FIRST of 4 episodes - It reads that episode ( and writes it to the disk ) but CONTINUES on reading all episodes ( without doing any more writing to the disk). Everything works fine but time seems to be wasted here on unnecessary reading?

Bob

[dvd2svcd]

It should not in any circumstances do that, not if you use the internal routines ripping from a DVD.

It reads that episode ( and writes it to the disk ) but CONTINUES on reading all episodes ( without doing any more writing to the disk).

[markrb]

My question was actually aimed at DVD2SVCD. I was wondering if the lockups he had were with piping and if he had tried not piping to see if it still locked up?

BTW DVD2SVCD I noticed something strange and it seemed to be the only common thing about CCE locking up one me. If my average bitrate was not a multiple of 25 (0, 25, 50, 75) it would lock up.
It may have only been coincidence since I really never paid attention before.

Mark

[dvd2svcd]

That is very interesting, I will look into that, thanks :)

[mrbass]

I use smartripper quite a bit 75% and about 25% use internal routines. Why? I need to load 2 or 3 dvd vobs onto my harddrive. Perhaps an option to pause after internal routines or vstrip rips them would be nice. If that was the case I'd go 100% internal routines. Oh yeah the only other time is for those dual-layer dvds that have 4:3 and 16:9 so I rip one angle and see if I got the 16:9 which I wanted or not. If not I choose the other angle. Remember this my sons and daughters:
The angle of the dangle
is directly proportional
to the heat of the meat
times the mass of the a**
times the square of the hair.

[j6]

I always rip with Smartripper or vstrip first, then run dvd2avi to see accurate info about AR, film type and video type. Then I do the conversion w/ DVD2SVCD. I store movies (vob's) on my HD and don't delete until I'm happy w/ the conversion. I've had other problems but not CCE freezes.

[DDogg]

Er, I think the point is being missed? DVD2SVCD only supports (officially) vstrip or the internal routines. That does not mean you can't use something else, but if you do it means you are on your own and should not post a problem report (Period). At least that was the way it always was to my understanding.

[j6]

Er, I think the point is being missed? DVD2SVCD only supports (officially) vstrip or the internal routines. That does not mean you can't use something else, but if you do it means you are on your own and should not post a problem report (Period). At least that was the way it always was to my understanding.


Good point. However I think the the 3 methods (smartripper/vstrip/internal) most people use are reliable enough that it should not be the cause of the problem. Personally my problems were solved either reverting to a different version of DVD2SVCD or changing some settings not changing the ripping method.

[Jono182]

right on ddogg...end users can only complain if they're using a feature supported by the parent program! :)

ive been using the internal routines forever and i have never had a problem with any rips (besides one off-sync 'proof of life' caused by a ratings screen) or conversions. if i were dvd2svcd i would eliminate as many 'optional' features as possible such as using vstrip.

introducing new features into a program, such as avi2svcd (even though this would indeed be somewhat useful to me), only complicate the code and exponentially increase the possible sources of bugs, making debugging and fixing take longer. hang in there dvdsvcd...dont let the code drive you crazy!

in a perfect world, the source to dvd2svcd would be released and allow us faithful users to customize and contribute to the project as a whole. although that probably wont happen...im still hoping!

sorry about the rant! :)

keep up the great work,
-jon

[DobbyPower]

Originally posted by dvd2svcd
It should not in any circumstances do that, not if you use the internal routines ripping from a DVD.



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It reads that episode ( and writes it to the disk ) but CONTINUES on reading all episodes ( without doing any more writing to the disk).
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Strange, the latest build does that for me too. Starts in the right place for the selected episode, then reads the rest of the disk.

[dvd2svcd]

Weird.

[barbas]

I use smart ripper because....

I only want to rip parts of the film, i.e. only english sound, only portuguese and english subtitles.

In a film a can save between 100 to 200 megs for each vob file

Regards

Barbas